WARNING Affiliates Who Target Problem Gamblers

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L&L-Jan

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CasinoChoice has already removed the page, or removed the content from the page.

Casinomir unfortunately is not going to remove the content, so he will remove our presence. Given reason is that removing the page has a negative effect on SEO. I have to agree, that's more important versus stimulating irresponsible gambling. :(

While I was on this subject I also found quite some Swedish affiliates sites promoting unlicensed casino the Swedish public with affiliate tracking links.
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. casinotopsonline.com/sv/casino-utan-licens

Haven't found a casino of us so don't know who is behind the site but this looks to become a very important niche for affiliates.

Kr. Jan
 

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CasinoChoice has already removed the page, or removed the content from the page.

Casinomir unfortunately is not going to remove the content, so he will remove our presence. Given reason is that removing the page has a negative effect on SEO. I have to agree, that's more important versus stimulating irresponsible gambling. :(

While I was on this subject I also found quite some Swedish affiliates sites promoting unlicensed casino the Swedish public with affiliate tracking links.
E.g.
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. casinotopsonline.com/sv/casino-utan-licens

Haven't found a casino of us so don't know who is behind the site but this looks to become a very important niche for affiliates.

Kr. Jan
It will never become an important niche as long as decent casinos' aff. programmes boot them for even thinking about such nonsense. That will drive them out of business which is exactly what they deserve. Casinomir will get much negative SEO anyway when he's exposed on the forums with a much better SEO presence, like this one.
 

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CasinoChoice has already removed the page, or removed the content from the page.

Casinomir unfortunately is not going to remove the content, so he will remove our presence. Given reason is that removing the page has a negative effect on SEO. I have to agree, that's more important versus stimulating irresponsible gambling. :(

While I was on this subject I also found quite some Swedish affiliates sites promoting unlicensed casino the Swedish public with affiliate tracking links.
E.g.
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. casinotopsonline.com/sv/casino-utan-licens

Haven't found a casino of us so don't know who is behind the site but this looks to become a very important niche for affiliates.

Kr. Jan
I would hope you terminate the agreements with them assuming your T&C's allow it :)
Casinomir lists conquestador as a casino on the 'non gamstop' page, so I asked them. They aren't registered with gamstop yet and didn't seem aware of the way they were being listed there when I asked on live chat. She also told me in no uncertain terms that if I open an account it would be closed immediately for life (as she assumed I was registered with them). She also said she would escalate it and send the link over to get some action taken.



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We are not registered with GAMSTOP yet but now I know that you are registered with them and if you open and account, it will be closed immediately and forever
 

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I kind of find it a tad insulting that as an affiliate who acts ethically and tries to follow rules and regulations, that I am now in the company of scammers like this guy at L&L who is still allowed to earn RS each month from existing players and possibly from other sites if he has them that don't promote scam casinos.
 

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Totally agree it is real bad that some sites are listing all these casinos problem gamblers can play at. They should be shut down.

But surely this thread is now showing all these problem gamblers a whole list of sites they can sign up to.

Maybe not the place to ask but since this thread is about ethics and morality and about problem gamblers.

A lot of respected affiliates on here . Also i am guessing problem gamblers must have signed up at some casinos using affiliates links and probably blew everything which means the affiliate made quite a bit out of them.

Do any affiliates that see a player signed up , blows a lot in short space of time then closes casino account ever knowing it was probably a problem gambler by betting patterns and amounts try to return the money they made out of them or do they just keep it.
 

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Who said he gets paid RS? Our Ryan is chatting with him and I'm pretty sure there will be a satisfying solution coming.

Also its a public holiday, so majority of the industry is off today.
 

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Do any affiliates that see a player signed up , blows a lot in short space of time then closes casino account ever knowing it was probably a problem gambler by betting patterns and amounts try to return the money they made out of them or do they just keep it.
Even if an affiliate wanted to do that, you don't see that type of information, nor do you have any way of knowing who the customer is.
On some affiliate programs you don't even see monthly income per player, just the amount of rev share, so it could be from 1 player or 100.
 

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Who said he gets paid RS? Our Ryan is chatting with him and I'm pretty sure there will be a satisfying solution coming.

Also its a public holiday, so majority of the industry is off today.
You stated he had removed L&L from the site but didn't say he had his aff a/c closed. Therefore any residual players before this scam promotion began would still be paid?
 

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Even if an affiliate wanted to do that, you don't see that type of information, nor do you have any way of knowing who the customer is.
Thought that would be the way it worked.

So i am taking an educated guess that some affiliates must make a good bit from some problem gamblers. So in a way some affiliates that do everything by the book and care about problem gamblers still actually profit a lot from them. Just makes me think about ethics and morals.
 

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Thought that would be the way it worked.

So i am taking an educated guess that some affiliates must make a good bit from some problem gamblers. So in a way some affiliates that do everything by the book and care about problem gamblers still actually profit a lot from them. Just makes me think about ethics and morals.
I'm sure they do, but even if you see a large spend, it doesn't mean theres a problem.
I had a customer who signed up around 3 years ago and lost £10k in a month. I actually spoke to the affiliate manager about him as I was concerned it was card fraud or something but he told me the customer had been through enhanced KYC and had also been through a full SOW process (before the casinos were doing it like they are now, so they obviously had concerns too) and that £10k was a drop in the ocean from his bank balance. He still deposits now (usually £500 a time) but once a month or so. I could have looked at him and thought 'problem gambler' but turns out he was just rich lol.
Point is, we have no way of knowing. I wouldn't target problem gamblers and had RG sections and warnings on my sites well before the regulations were tightened up. Theres only so much you can do as an affiliate.
 

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Just to jump in real quick - there is a big difference between an affiliate who directly targets problem gamblers and ones that have lists of casinos that lack EU/UK licenses. It is the targeting that is unethical, morally vacant, and dangerous, not just hosting a list.
 

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may I asked which which and by whom, guessing I'd know the person from the past
I'm not going to be posting stuff to create personal attacks, even if they are deserving of it. It was merely to further demonstrate that at least one of these people should really know better.
 

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fair enough ^. Anyway, as I said yesterday I have just created a blog post on the matter here
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I also have referenced this thread, gamstop and Duncan's Bet Blocker so anyone want to link back to it or share it anywhere feel free, I hope someone finds it useful.

edit - just wanted to say I didn't try and put a keyword rich link in, I placed it bare but the forum seems to have pulled the title?
 

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Is now not the time to rogue Con******* Casino @Casinomeister @ThePOGG ?

As others have shown here, they have zero interest in ever adding GAMSTOP even though they are UKGC registered. When I told them my concerns that problem gamblers were signing up there (proof on TGC) they said it was not in their interest too.

Also as this thread as shown, they have active affiliates promoting them on dedicated non-GAMSTOP pages along with dubious advertising practices on Google AdWords.

 
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