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Just a one off post from me with the usual impossible stats - except in rigged games of course.

Playlogs for Deck the halls 3 sessions Dash casino

DEPOSIT 1

7165 View 2009/12/09 3:12:15.71 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7166 View 2009/12/09 3:12:19.77 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7167 View 2009/12/09 3:12:24.02 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7168 View 2009/12/09 3:12:27.99 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7169 View 2009/12/09 3:12:32.01 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7170 View 2009/12/09 3:12:35.97 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7171 View 2009/12/09 3:12:39.89 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7172 View 2009/12/09 3:12:44.04 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7173 View 2009/12/09 3:12:47.99 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7174 View 2009/12/09 3:12:52.16 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $3.30
7175 View 2009/12/09 3:12:56.96 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7176 View 2009/12/09 3:13:01.21 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7177 View 2009/12/09 3:13:05.50 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7178 View 2009/12/09 3:13:09.55 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7179 View 2009/12/09 3:13:13.60 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7180 View 2009/12/09 3:13:17.52 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.30
7181 View 2009/12/09 3:13:21.80 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7182 View 2009/12/09 3:13:26.07 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7183 View 2009/12/09 3:13:29.88 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7184 View 2009/12/09 3:13:33.94 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7185 View 2009/12/09 3:13:37.97 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7186 View 2009/12/09 3:13:41.80 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7187 View 2009/12/09 3:13:45.74 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7188 View 2009/12/09 3:13:49.67 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7189 View 2009/12/09 3:13:53.41 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7190 View 2009/12/09 3:14:38.80 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $4.29
7191 View 2009/12/09 3:14:50.17 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7192 View 2009/12/09 3:14:54.32 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7193 View 2009/12/09 3:14:58.27 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7194 View 2009/12/09 3:15:02.19 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7195 View 2009/12/09 3:15:06.47 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7196 View 2009/12/09 3:15:10.29 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7197 View 2009/12/09 3:15:14.22 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.54
7198 View 2009/12/09 3:15:18.16 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7199 View 2009/12/09 3:15:22.00 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.60
7200 View 2009/12/09 3:15:26.59 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7201 View 2009/12/09 3:15:30.51 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7202 View 2009/12/09 3:15:34.59 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7203 View 2009/12/09 3:15:38.61 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.30
7204 View 2009/12/09 3:15:43.87 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7205 View 2009/12/09 3:15:47.80 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7206 View 2009/12/09 3:15:51.97 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7207 View 2009/12/09 3:15:56.12 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7208 View 2009/12/09 3:16:00.16 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7209 View 2009/12/09 3:16:03.89 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.54
7210 View 2009/12/09 3:16:11.54 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7211 View 2009/12/09 3:16:15.59 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7212 View 2009/12/09 3:16:19.52 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.15
7213 View 2009/12/09 3:16:23.47 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7214 View 2009/12/09 3:16:27.39 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7215 View 2009/12/09 3:16:31.46 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7216 View 2009/12/09 3:16:35.49 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7217 View 2009/12/09 3:16:39.31 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7218 View 2009/12/09 3:16:43.03 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.15
7219 View 2009/12/09 3:16:47.19 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7220 View 2009/12/09 3:16:51.04 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7221 View 2009/12/09 3:16:55.09 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7222 View 2009/12/09 3:16:59.00 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7223 View 2009/12/09 3:17:02.94 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7224 View 2009/12/09 3:17:53.26 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $1.89
7225 View 2009/12/09 3:18:04.29 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7226 View 2009/12/09 3:18:08.23 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7227 View 2009/12/09 3:18:11.96 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7228 View 2009/12/09 3:18:15.78 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7229 View 2009/12/09 3:18:19.71 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7230 View 2009/12/09 3:18:23.66 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.60
7231 View 2009/12/09 3:18:27.81 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7232 View 2009/12/09 3:18:31.55 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.15
7233 View 2009/12/09 3:18:35.48 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7234 View 2009/12/09 3:18:39.43 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7235 View 2009/12/09 3:18:43.37 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7236 View 2009/12/09 3:18:47.19 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7237 View 2009/12/09 3:18:50.90 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7238 View 2009/12/09 3:18:55.06 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7239 View 2009/12/09 3:18:58.88 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7240 View 2009/12/09 3:19:02.61 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7241 View 2009/12/09 3:19:06.43 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7242 View 2009/12/09 3:19:10.26 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7243 View 2009/12/09 3:19:13.98 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.54
7244 View 2009/12/09 3:19:19.44 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7245 View 2009/12/09 3:19:23.16 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7246 View 2009/12/09 3:19:26.88 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7247 View 2009/12/09 3:19:30.71 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7248 View 2009/12/09 3:19:34.54 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7249 View 2009/12/09 3:19:38.36 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7250 View 2009/12/09 3:19:43.06 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7251 View 2009/12/09 3:19:46.79 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7252 View 2009/12/09 3:19:50.51 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7253 View 2009/12/09 3:19:54.57 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7254 View 2009/12/09 3:19:58.49 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7255 View 2009/12/09 3:20:02.22 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7256 View 2009/12/09 3:20:06.16 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.54
7257 View 2009/12/09 3:20:10.09 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7258 View 2009/12/09 3:20:14.02 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7259 View 2009/12/09 3:20:18.52 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $3.30
7260 View 2009/12/09 3:20:22.47 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7261 View 2009/12/09 3:20:26.62 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $1.98
7262 View 2009/12/09 3:20:30.98 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7263 View 2009/12/09 3:20:34.80 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7264 View 2009/12/09 3:20:38.65 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7265 View 2009/12/09 3:20:42.47 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7266 View 2009/12/09 3:20:46.40 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7267 View 2009/12/09 3:20:50.12 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.15
7268 View 2009/12/09 3:20:54.29 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7269 View 2009/12/09 3:20:57.99 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7270 View 2009/12/09 3:21:01.82 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.90
7271 View 2009/12/09 3:21:06.52 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.15
7272 View 2009/12/09 3:21:10.59 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7273 View 2009/12/09 3:21:14.53 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7274 View 2009/12/09 3:21:18.34 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7275 View 2009/12/09 3:21:22.28 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7276 View 2009/12/09 3:21:26.01 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.24
7277 View 2009/12/09 3:21:30.37 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7278 View 2009/12/09 3:21:34.31 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7279 View 2009/12/09 3:21:38.13 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7280 View 2009/12/09 3:21:41.97 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7281 View 2009/12/09 3:21:45.90 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7282 View 2009/12/09 3:21:49.73 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7283 View 2009/12/09 3:21:53.67 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7284 View 2009/12/09 3:21:57.39 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.15
7285 View 2009/12/09 3:22:01.36 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7286 View 2009/12/09 3:22:05.15 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.15
7287 View 2009/12/09 3:22:09.21 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7288 View 2009/12/09 3:22:13.03 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7289 View 2009/12/09 3:22:16.75 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7290 View 2009/12/09 3:22:20.47 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7291 View 2009/12/09 3:22:24.42 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7292 View 2009/12/09 3:22:28.24 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7293 View 2009/12/09 3:22:32.50 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7294 View 2009/12/09 3:22:36.44 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7295 View 2009/12/09 3:22:40.27 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7296 View 2009/12/09 3:22:44.31 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7297 View 2009/12/09 3:22:48.25 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7298 View 2009/12/09 3:22:52.09 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7299 View 2009/12/09 3:22:56.01 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7300 View 2009/12/09 3:22:59.85 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7301 View 2009/12/09 3:23:03.89 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7302 View 2009/12/09 3:23:07.73 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7303 View 2009/12/09 3:23:11.78 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.54
7304 View 2009/12/09 3:23:15.61 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7305 View 2009/12/09 3:23:19.42 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $1.80
7306 View 2009/12/09 3:23:23.81 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7307 View 2009/12/09 3:23:27.73 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7308 View 2009/12/09 3:23:31.67 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7309 View 2009/12/09 3:23:35.39 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.30
7310 View 2009/12/09 3:23:39.33 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7311 View 2009/12/09 3:23:43.17 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7312 View 2009/12/09 3:23:47.20 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7313 View 2009/12/09 3:23:51.05 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7314 View 2009/12/09 3:23:54.98 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.30
7315 View 2009/12/09 3:23:59.01 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7316 View 2009/12/09 3:24:03.07 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.54
7317 View 2009/12/09 3:24:08.31 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7318 View 2009/12/09 3:24:12.36 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.54
7319 View 2009/12/09 3:24:16.08 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7320 View 2009/12/09 3:24:20.12 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7321 View 2009/12/09 3:24:24.17 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7322 View 2009/12/09 3:24:28.01 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7323 View 2009/12/09 3:24:32.16 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7324 View 2009/12/09 3:24:35.99 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.54
7325 View 2009/12/09 3:24:43.11 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7326 View 2009/12/09 3:24:46.91 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7327 View 2009/12/09 3:24:50.78 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7328 View 2009/12/09 3:24:54.91 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7329 View 2009/12/09 3:24:58.50 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7330 View 2009/12/09 3:25:02.45 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $1.50
7331 View 2009/12/09 3:25:06.42 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7332 View 2009/12/09 3:25:10.43 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7333 View 2009/12/09 3:25:14.28 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7334 View 2009/12/09 3:25:18.69 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7335 View 2009/12/09 3:25:21.93 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7336 View 2009/12/09 3:25:25.75 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7337 View 2009/12/09 3:25:29.59 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7338 View 2009/12/09 3:25:33.40 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7339 View 2009/12/09 3:25:37.79 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7340 View 2009/12/09 3:25:41.84 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7341 View 2009/12/09 3:25:45.87 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7342 View 2009/12/09 3:25:49.59 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7343 View 2009/12/09 3:25:53.42 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7344 View 2009/12/09 3:25:57.25 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7345 View 2009/12/09 3:26:01.08 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7346 View 2009/12/09 3:26:04.90 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7347 View 2009/12/09 3:26:08.62 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7348 View 2009/12/09 3:26:12.67 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7349 View 2009/12/09 3:26:16.50 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7350 View 2009/12/09 3:26:20.34 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7351 View 2009/12/09 3:26:24.29 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $3.30
7352 View 2009/12/09 3:26:28.53 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7353 View 2009/12/09 3:26:32.59 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7354 View 2009/12/09 3:26:36.41 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.48
7355 View 2009/12/09 3:26:40.47 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7356 View 2009/12/09 3:26:44.50 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7357 View 2009/12/09 3:26:48.57 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.30
7358 View 2009/12/09 3:26:52.83 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7359 View 2009/12/09 3:26:56.66 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7360 View 2009/12/09 3:27:00.48 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7361 View 2009/12/09 3:27:04.30 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7362 View 2009/12/09 3:27:08.13 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7363 View 2009/12/09 3:27:12.08 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7364 View 2009/12/09 3:27:15.79 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7365 View 2009/12/09 3:27:19.83 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7366 View 2009/12/09 3:27:23.66 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7367 View 2009/12/09 3:27:27.51 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7368 View 2009/12/09 3:27:31.21 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7369 View 2009/12/09 3:27:35.25 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7370 View 2009/12/09 3:27:39.08 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7371 View 2009/12/09 3:27:42.91 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.54
7372 View 2009/12/09 3:27:51.79 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7373 View 2009/12/09 3:27:55.93 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7374 View 2009/12/09 3:27:59.88 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7375 View 2009/12/09 3:28:03.71 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7376 View 2009/12/09 3:28:07.52 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7377 View 2009/12/09 3:28:11.58 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7378 View 2009/12/09 3:28:15.18 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7379 View 2009/12/09 3:28:19.02 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $6.30
7380 View 2009/12/09 3:28:26.46 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7381 View 2009/12/09 3:28:30.40 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.48
7382 View 2009/12/09 3:28:34.54 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.54
7383 View 2009/12/09 3:28:42.20 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.48
7384 View 2009/12/09 3:28:46.35 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $1.20
7385 View 2009/12/09 3:28:50.41 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7386 View 2009/12/09 3:28:54.46 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7387 View 2009/12/09 3:28:58.18 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.54
7388 View 2009/12/09 3:29:05.60 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7389 View 2009/12/09 3:29:09.43 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7390 View 2009/12/09 3:29:13.47 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7391 View 2009/12/09 3:29:17.31 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7392 View 2009/12/09 3:29:21.25 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7393 View 2009/12/09 3:29:25.18 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7394 View 2009/12/09 3:29:29.03 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7395 View 2009/12/09 3:29:33.08 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7396 View 2009/12/09 3:29:36.78 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.54
7397 View 2009/12/09 3:29:40.73 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7398 View 2009/12/09 3:29:44.67 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7399 View 2009/12/09 3:29:48.61 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7400 View 2009/12/09 3:29:52.42 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7401 View 2009/12/09 3:29:56.13 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7402 View 2009/12/09 3:30:03.14 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $1.20
7403 View 2009/12/09 3:30:07.41 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $3.00
7404 View 2009/12/09 3:30:12.10 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7405 View 2009/12/09 3:30:16.05 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7406 View 2009/12/09 3:30:20.10 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7407 View 2009/12/09 3:30:23.91 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.15
7408 View 2009/12/09 3:30:27.96 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7409 View 2009/12/09 3:30:31.90 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7410 View 2009/12/09 3:30:35.94 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7411 View 2009/12/09 3:30:39.88 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7412 View 2009/12/09 3:30:43.72 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7413 View 2009/12/09 3:30:47.65 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7414 View 2009/12/09 3:30:51.60 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7415 View 2009/12/09 3:30:55.43 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7416 View 2009/12/09 3:30:59.48 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.54
7417 View 2009/12/09 3:31:06.68 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.30
7418 View 2009/12/09 3:31:10.84 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7419 View 2009/12/09 3:31:14.90 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7420 View 2009/12/09 3:31:18.73 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7421 View 2009/12/09 3:31:22.67 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7422 View 2009/12/09 3:31:26.60 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.24
7423 View 2009/12/09 3:31:30.63 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7424 View 2009/12/09 3:31:34.58 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $1.20
7425 View 2009/12/09 3:31:38.96 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7426 View 2009/12/09 3:31:43.01 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7427 View 2009/12/09 3:31:46.73 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.15
7428 View 2009/12/09 3:31:51.09 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $1.02
7429 View 2009/12/09 3:31:58.52 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7430 View 2009/12/09 3:32:02.48 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7431 View 2009/12/09 3:32:06.44 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7432 View 2009/12/09 3:32:10.23 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7433 View 2009/12/09 3:32:14.73 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7434 View 2009/12/09 3:32:18.78 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7435 View 2009/12/09 3:32:22.61 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.15
7436 View 2009/12/09 3:32:26.55 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7437 View 2009/12/09 3:32:30.58 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7438 View 2009/12/09 3:32:34.31 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7439 View 2009/12/09 3:32:38.24 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7440 View 2009/12/09 3:32:42.09 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7441 View 2009/12/09 3:32:45.91 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7442 View 2009/12/09 3:32:49.83 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7443 View 2009/12/09 3:32:53.77 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7444 View 2009/12/09 3:32:57.61 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7445 View 2009/12/09 3:33:01.42 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7446 View 2009/12/09 3:33:05.47 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7447 View 2009/12/09 3:33:09.31 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.30
7448 View 2009/12/09 3:33:13.23 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.60
7449 View 2009/12/09 3:33:17.28 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7450 View 2009/12/09 3:33:21.22 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7451 View 2009/12/09 3:33:25.18 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7452 View 2009/12/09 3:33:29.43 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7453 View 2009/12/09 3:33:33.25 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.78
7454 View 2009/12/09 3:33:39.49 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.30
7455 View 2009/12/09 3:33:44.08 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7456 View 2009/12/09 3:33:47.90 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7457 View 2009/12/09 3:33:51.84 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7458 View 2009/12/09 3:34:05.08 AM Deck the Halls $0.15 $0.00
in 79.38 out 53.6 =67% RETURN

DEPOSIT 2

7460 View 2009/12/10 12:11:21.33 AM Deck the Halls $0.18 $0.36
7461 View 2009/12/10 12:11:28.56 AM Deck the Halls $0.18 $0.00
7462 View 2009/12/10 12:11:32.48 AM Deck the Halls $0.18 $0.00
7463 View 2009/12/10 12:11:36.53 AM Deck the Halls $0.18 $0.36
7464 View 2009/12/10 12:11:40.58 AM Deck the Halls $0.18 $0.00
7465 View 2009/12/10 12:11:44.85 AM Deck the Halls $0.18 $0.00
7466 View 2009/12/10 12:11:49.00 AM Deck the Halls $0.18 $0.00
7467 View 2009/12/10 12:11:52.94 AM Deck the Halls $0.18 $0.00
7468 View 2009/12/10 12:11:56.87 AM Deck the Halls $0.18 $0.00
7469 View 2009/12/10 12:12:00.84 AM Deck the Halls $0.18 $0.68
7470 View 2009/12/10 12:12:08.47 AM Deck the Halls $0.18 $0.00
7471 View 2009/12/10 12:12:12.40 AM Deck the Halls $0.18 $0.00
7472 View 2009/12/10 12:12:16.45 AM Deck the Halls $0.18 $0.00
7473 View 2009/12/10 12:12:20.28 AM Deck the Halls $0.18 $0.20
7474 View 2009/12/10 12:12:24.33 AM Deck the Halls $0.18 $0.00
7475 View 2009/12/10 12:12:28.27 AM Deck the Halls $0.18 $0.00
7476 View 2009/12/10 12:12:32.20 AM Deck the Halls $0.18 $0.10
7477 View 2009/12/10 12:12:36.15 AM Deck the Halls $0.18 $0.00
7478 View 2009/12/10 12:12:40.08 AM Deck the Halls $0.18 $0.00
7479 View 2009/12/10 12:12:44.03 AM Deck the Halls $0.18 $0.00
7480 View 2009/12/10 12:12:47.85 AM Deck the Halls $0.18 $0.00
7481 View 2009/12/10 12:12:51.67 AM Deck the Halls $0.18 $0.00
7482 View 2009/12/10 12:12:55.50 AM Deck the Halls $0.18 $0.00
7483 View 2009/12/10 12:12:59.44 AM Deck the Halls $0.18 $0.00
7484 View 2009/12/10 12:13:03.16 AM Deck the Halls $0.18 $0.00
7485 View 2009/12/10 12:13:07.10 AM Deck the Halls $0.18 $0.00
7486 View 2009/12/10 12:13:11.16 AM Deck the Halls $0.18 $0.00
7487 View 2009/12/10 12:13:14.98 AM Deck the Halls $0.18 $0.00
7488 View 2009/12/10 12:13:19.35 AM Deck the Halls $0.18 $0.00
7489 View 2009/12/10 12:13:23.08 AM Deck the Halls $0.18 $0.32
7490 View 2009/12/10 12:13:27.03 AM Deck the Halls $0.18 $0.36
7491 View 2009/12/10 12:13:34.13 AM Deck the Halls $0.18 $0.00
7492 View 2009/12/10 12:13:37.96 AM Deck the Halls $0.18 $0.00
7493 View 2009/12/10 12:13:41.68 AM Deck the Halls $0.18 $0.32
7494 View 2009/12/10 12:13:45.50 AM Deck the Halls $0.18 $0.00
7495 View 2009/12/10 12:13:49.77 AM Deck the Halls $0.18 $0.00
7496 View 2009/12/10 12:13:53.60 AM Deck the Halls $0.18 $0.36
7497 View 2009/12/10 12:14:00.60 AM Deck the Halls $0.18 $0.00
7498 View 2009/12/10 12:14:04.43 AM Deck the Halls $0.18 $0.60
7499 View 2009/12/10 12:14:08.58 AM Deck the Halls $0.18 $0.00
7500 View 2009/12/10 12:14:12.53 AM Deck the Halls $0.18 $0.10
7501 View 2009/12/10 12:14:16.46 AM Deck the Halls $0.18 $0.00
7502 View 2009/12/10 12:14:20.29 AM Deck the Halls $0.18 $0.00
7503 View 2009/12/10 12:14:24.55 AM Deck the Halls $0.18 $4.00
7504 View 2009/12/10 12:14:31.99 AM Deck the Halls $0.18 $0.20
7505 View 2009/12/10 12:14:36.69 AM Deck the Halls $0.18 $0.00
7506 View 2009/12/10 12:14:40.74 AM Deck the Halls $0.18 $0.36
7507 View 2009/12/10 12:14:44.79 AM Deck the Halls $0.18 $0.00
7508 View 2009/12/10 12:14:48.83 AM Deck the Halls $0.18 $0.00
7509 View 2009/12/10 12:14:52.66 AM Deck the Halls $0.18 $0.00
7510 View 2009/12/10 12:14:56.60 AM Deck the Halls $0.18 $0.00
7511 View 2009/12/10 12:15:00.70 AM Deck the Halls $0.18 $0.00
7512 View 2009/12/10 12:15:04.49 AM Deck the Halls $0.18 $0.20
7513 View 2009/12/10 12:15:08.54 AM Deck the Halls $0.18 $0.00
7514 View 2009/12/10 12:15:12.36 AM Deck the Halls $0.18 $0.00
7515 View 2009/12/10 12:15:16.41 AM Deck the Halls $0.18 $0.00
7516 View 2009/12/10 12:15:20.36 AM Deck the Halls $0.18 $0.00
7517 View 2009/12/10 12:15:24.40 AM Deck the Halls $0.18 $0.00
7518 View 2009/12/10 12:15:28.55 AM Deck the Halls $0.18 $0.00
7519 View 2009/12/10 12:15:32.49 AM Deck the Halls $0.18 $0.00
7520 View 2009/12/10 12:15:36.97 AM Deck the Halls $0.18 $0.00
7521 View 2009/12/10 12:15:40.91 AM Deck the Halls $0.18 $0.00
7522 View 2009/12/10 12:15:44.74 AM Deck the Halls $0.18 $0.00
7523 View 2009/12/10 12:15:48.68 AM Deck the Halls $0.18 $0.00
7524 View 2009/12/10 12:15:52.73 AM Deck the Halls $0.18 $0.00
7525 View 2009/12/10 12:15:56.55 AM Deck the Halls $0.18 $0.00
7526 View 2009/12/10 12:16:00.38 AM Deck the Halls $0.18 $0.00
7527 View 2009/12/10 12:16:04.32 AM Deck the Halls $0.18 $0.16
7528 View 2009/12/10 12:16:08.16 AM Deck the Halls $0.18 $0.00
7529 View 2009/12/10 12:16:12.09 AM Deck the Halls $0.18 $1.36
7530 View 2009/12/10 12:16:16.24 AM Deck the Halls $0.18 $0.00
7531 View 2009/12/10 12:16:20.40 AM Deck the Halls $0.18 $0.00
7532 View 2009/12/10 12:16:24.23 AM Deck the Halls $0.18 $0.00
7533 View 2009/12/10 12:16:28.39 AM Deck the Halls $0.18 $0.00
7534 View 2009/12/10 12:16:32.54 AM Deck the Halls $0.18 $0.20
7535 View 2009/12/10 12:16:36.47 AM Deck the Halls $0.18 $0.00
7536 View 2009/12/10 12:16:40.30 AM Deck the Halls $0.18 $0.00
7537 View 2009/12/10 12:16:44.13 AM Deck the Halls $0.18 $0.00
7538 View 2009/12/10 12:16:47.96 AM Deck the Halls $0.18 $0.00
7539 View 2009/12/10 12:16:51.79 AM Deck the Halls $0.18 $0.00
7540 View 2009/12/10 12:16:55.73 AM Deck the Halls $0.18 $0.00
7541 View 2009/12/10 12:16:59.77 AM Deck the Halls $0.18 $0.00
7542 View 2009/12/10 12:17:03.71 AM Deck the Halls $0.18 $0.00
7543 View 2009/12/10 12:17:08.41 AM Deck the Halls $0.18 $0.00
7544 View 2009/12/10 12:17:12.24 AM Deck the Halls $0.18 $0.00
7545 View 2009/12/10 12:17:16.07 AM Deck the Halls $0.18 $0.00
7546 View 2009/12/10 12:17:20.01 AM Deck the Halls $0.18 $0.00
7547 View 2009/12/10 12:17:24.16 AM Deck the Halls $0.18 $0.30
7548 View 2009/12/10 12:17:28.44 AM Deck the Halls $0.18 $0.00
7549 View 2009/12/10 12:17:32.37 AM Deck the Halls $0.18 $0.00
7550 View 2009/12/10 12:17:36.20 AM Deck the Halls $0.18 $0.00
7551 View 2009/12/10 12:17:39.92 AM Deck the Halls $0.18 $0.00
7552 View 2009/12/10 12:17:43.64 AM Deck the Halls $0.18 $0.00
7553 View 2009/12/10 12:17:47.46 AM Deck the Halls $0.18 $0.00
7554 View 2009/12/10 12:17:51.29 AM Deck the Halls $0.18 $0.00
7555 View 2009/12/10 12:17:55.01 AM Deck the Halls $0.18 $0.00
7556 View 2009/12/10 12:17:58.74 AM Deck the Halls $0.18 $0.00
7557 View 2009/12/10 12:18:02.56 AM Deck the Halls $0.18 $0.00
7558 View 2009/12/10 12:18:06.28 AM Deck the Halls $0.18 $0.00
7559 View 2009/12/10 12:18:10.10 AM Deck the Halls $0.18 $0.00
7560 View 2009/12/10 12:18:13.94 AM Deck the Halls $0.18 $0.00
7561 View 2009/12/10 12:18:18.54 AM Deck the Halls $0.18 $0.00
7562 View 2009/12/10 12:18:23.01 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7563 View 2009/12/10 12:18:26.96 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7564 View 2009/12/10 12:18:31.22 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7565 View 2009/12/10 12:18:35.16 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7566 View 2009/12/10 12:18:39.42 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7567 View 2009/12/10 12:18:43.36 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7568 View 2009/12/10 12:18:47.17 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.54
7569 View 2009/12/10 12:18:51.12 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7570 View 2009/12/10 12:18:54.96 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7571 View 2009/12/10 12:18:58.79 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.15
7572 View 2009/12/10 12:19:02.72 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7573 View 2009/12/10 12:19:06.43 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.15
7574 View 2009/12/10 12:19:10.26 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7575 View 2009/12/10 12:19:14.09 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7576 View 2009/12/10 12:19:20.54 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7577 View 2009/12/10 12:19:24.92 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7578 View 2009/12/10 12:19:29.29 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7579 View 2009/12/10 12:19:33.67 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7580 View 2009/12/10 12:19:38.04 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7581 View 2009/12/10 12:19:42.20 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7582 View 2009/12/10 12:19:45.92 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7583 View 2009/12/10 12:19:49.75 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7584 View 2009/12/10 12:19:53.68 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.54
7585 View 2009/12/10 12:19:57.51 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7586 View 2009/12/10 12:20:01.70 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7587 View 2009/12/10 12:20:05.50 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7588 View 2009/12/10 12:20:09.22 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7589 View 2009/12/10 12:20:13.16 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7590 View 2009/12/10 12:20:17.31 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7591 View 2009/12/10 12:20:21.14 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7592 View 2009/12/10 12:20:24.97 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7593 View 2009/12/10 12:20:28.79 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7594 View 2009/12/10 12:20:32.73 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7595 View 2009/12/10 12:20:36.46 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7596 View 2009/12/10 12:20:40.27 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7597 View 2009/12/10 12:20:44.76 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7598 View 2009/12/10 12:20:48.59 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7599 View 2009/12/10 12:20:52.54 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7600 View 2009/12/10 12:20:56.36 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7601 View 2009/12/10 12:21:00.30 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7602 View 2009/12/10 12:21:04.13 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.24
7603 View 2009/12/10 12:21:07.96 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7604 View 2009/12/10 12:21:11.89 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7605 View 2009/12/10 12:21:15.94 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7606 View 2009/12/10 12:21:19.76 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7607 View 2009/12/10 12:21:23.59 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7608 View 2009/12/10 12:21:27.54 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7609 View 2009/12/10 12:21:31.25 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7610 View 2009/12/10 12:21:35.08 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7611 View 2009/12/10 12:21:38.91 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7612 View 2009/12/10 12:21:42.74 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.15
7613 View 2009/12/10 12:21:46.57 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7614 View 2009/12/10 12:21:50.39 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.54
7615 View 2009/12/10 12:21:57.39 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7616 View 2009/12/10 12:22:01.34 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $1.50
7617 View 2009/12/10 12:22:05.27 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7618 View 2009/12/10 12:22:09.09 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7619 View 2009/12/10 12:22:12.92 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7620 View 2009/12/10 12:22:16.64 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7621 View 2009/12/10 12:22:20.47 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7622 View 2009/12/10 12:22:24.30 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7623 View 2009/12/10 12:22:28.02 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7624 View 2009/12/10 12:22:31.84 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7625 View 2009/12/10 12:22:35.67 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7626 View 2009/12/10 12:22:39.28 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.54
7627 View 2009/12/10 12:22:47.71 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7628 View 2009/12/10 12:22:51.54 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7629 View 2009/12/10 12:22:55.36 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7630 View 2009/12/10 12:22:59.08 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7631 View 2009/12/10 12:23:02.80 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.30
7632 View 2009/12/10 12:23:06.52 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7633 View 2009/12/10 12:23:10.34 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7634 View 2009/12/10 12:23:14.17 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7635 View 2009/12/10 12:23:18.67 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.30
7636 View 2009/12/10 12:23:21.94 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7637 View 2009/12/10 12:23:26.42 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7638 View 2009/12/10 12:23:30.26 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7639 View 2009/12/10 12:23:33.96 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7640 View 2009/12/10 12:23:37.68 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7641 View 2009/12/10 12:23:41.51 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7642 View 2009/12/10 12:23:45.79 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7643 View 2009/12/10 12:23:52.24 AM Deck the Halls $0.18 $0.00
in 39.24 out 15.49 39% return.

DEPOSIT 3

7645 View 2009/12/10 12:35:22.95 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.30
7646 View 2009/12/10 12:35:27.33 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7647 View 2009/12/10 12:35:31.27 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7648 View 2009/12/10 12:35:34.98 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7649 View 2009/12/10 12:35:38.81 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7650 View 2009/12/10 12:35:42.67 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7651 View 2009/12/10 12:35:46.47 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7652 View 2009/12/10 12:35:50.19 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $3.15
7653 View 2009/12/10 12:35:54.24 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7654 View 2009/12/10 12:35:58.06 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7655 View 2009/12/10 12:36:02.00 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7656 View 2009/12/10 12:36:05.83 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.15
7657 View 2009/12/10 12:36:09.77 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7658 View 2009/12/10 12:36:13.70 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7659 View 2009/12/10 12:36:17.54 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.54
7660 View 2009/12/10 12:36:21.47 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7661 View 2009/12/10 12:36:25.30 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7662 View 2009/12/10 12:36:29.02 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7663 View 2009/12/10 12:36:32.96 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7664 View 2009/12/10 12:36:37.22 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.15
7665 View 2009/12/10 12:36:41.18 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7666 View 2009/12/10 12:36:45.09 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7667 View 2009/12/10 12:36:49.14 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7668 View 2009/12/10 12:36:53.18 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7669 View 2009/12/10 12:36:57.01 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7670 View 2009/12/10 12:37:00.91 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7671 View 2009/12/10 12:37:04.78 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7672 View 2009/12/10 12:37:08.61 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7673 View 2009/12/10 12:37:12.55 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7674 View 2009/12/10 12:37:16.38 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7675 View 2009/12/10 12:37:20.09 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7676 View 2009/12/10 12:37:23.92 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7677 View 2009/12/10 12:37:27.75 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7678 View 2009/12/10 12:37:31.57 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7679 View 2009/12/10 12:37:35.42 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7680 View 2009/12/10 12:37:39.13 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.54
7681 View 2009/12/10 12:37:44.71 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7682 View 2009/12/10 12:37:48.54 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.54
7683 View 2009/12/10 12:37:55.65 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7684 View 2009/12/10 12:37:59.58 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7685 View 2009/12/10 12:38:03.52 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7686 View 2009/12/10 12:38:07.35 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.60
7687 View 2009/12/10 12:38:11.39 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $1.50
7688 View 2009/12/10 12:38:15.33 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7689 View 2009/12/10 12:38:19.27 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7690 View 2009/12/10 12:38:23.10 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7691 View 2009/12/10 12:38:26.81 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7692 View 2009/12/10 12:38:30.64 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7693 View 2009/12/10 12:38:34.47 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7694 View 2009/12/10 12:38:38.29 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7695 View 2009/12/10 12:38:42.01 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7696 View 2009/12/10 12:38:45.84 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7697 View 2009/12/10 12:38:49.67 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7698 View 2009/12/10 12:38:53.50 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.15
7699 View 2009/12/10 12:38:57.33 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7700 View 2009/12/10 12:39:01.38 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7701 View 2009/12/10 12:39:05.20 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.30
7702 View 2009/12/10 12:39:09.58 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7703 View 2009/12/10 12:39:13.40 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7704 View 2009/12/10 12:39:17.24 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7705 View 2009/12/10 12:39:20.96 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7706 View 2009/12/10 12:39:24.67 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7707 View 2009/12/10 12:39:28.50 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7708 View 2009/12/10 12:39:32.34 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7709 View 2009/12/10 12:39:36.05 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.30
7710 View 2009/12/10 12:39:39.99 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7711 View 2009/12/10 12:39:43.92 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7712 View 2009/12/10 12:39:47.64 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7713 View 2009/12/10 12:39:51.36 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7714 View 2009/12/10 12:39:55.08 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7715 View 2009/12/10 12:39:58.91 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7716 View 2009/12/10 12:40:02.75 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7717 View 2009/12/10 12:40:06.47 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7718 View 2009/12/10 12:40:10.28 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7719 View 2009/12/10 12:40:13.89 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7720 View 2009/12/10 12:40:17.61 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7721 View 2009/12/10 12:40:21.44 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7722 View 2009/12/10 12:40:25.17 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7723 View 2009/12/10 12:40:28.99 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7724 View 2009/12/10 12:40:32.60 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7725 View 2009/12/10 12:40:36.55 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.54
7726 View 2009/12/10 12:40:45.07 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7727 View 2009/12/10 12:40:48.79 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7728 View 2009/12/10 12:40:52.51 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7729 View 2009/12/10 12:40:56.35 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7730 View 2009/12/10 12:41:00.17 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7731 View 2009/12/10 12:41:03.88 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7732 View 2009/12/10 12:41:07.71 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7733 View 2009/12/10 12:41:11.43 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7734 View 2009/12/10 12:41:15.26 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7735 View 2009/12/10 12:41:19.09 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7736 View 2009/12/10 12:41:22.92 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7737 View 2009/12/10 12:41:26.75 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7738 View 2009/12/10 12:41:30.57 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7739 View 2009/12/10 12:41:34.10 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7740 View 2009/12/10 12:41:38.56 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.30
7741 View 2009/12/10 12:41:42.28 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7742 View 2009/12/10 12:41:46.10 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.54
7743 View 2009/12/10 12:41:49.71 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7744 View 2009/12/10 12:41:53.55 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.15
7745 View 2009/12/10 12:41:57.37 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7746 View 2009/12/10 12:42:01.09 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7747 View 2009/12/10 12:42:05.13 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.30
7748 View 2009/12/10 12:42:08.98 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7749 View 2009/12/10 12:42:12.68 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7750 View 2009/12/10 12:42:16.51 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7751 View 2009/12/10 12:42:20.35 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7752 View 2009/12/10 12:42:24.17 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7753 View 2009/12/10 12:42:27.99 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7754 View 2009/12/10 12:42:32.28 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7755 View 2009/12/10 12:42:36.08 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7756 View 2009/12/10 12:42:39.80 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.69
7757 View 2009/12/10 12:42:43.63 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7758 View 2009/12/10 12:42:47.47 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7759 View 2009/12/10 12:42:51.30 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7760 View 2009/12/10 12:42:55.12 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7761 View 2009/12/10 12:42:58.91 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7762 View 2009/12/10 12:43:02.68 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7763 View 2009/12/10 12:43:06.39 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7764 View 2009/12/10 12:43:10.00 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7765 View 2009/12/10 12:43:14.37 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.54
7766 View 2009/12/10 12:43:18.84 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7767 View 2009/12/10 12:43:22.03 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7768 View 2009/12/10 12:43:25.75 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.15
7769 View 2009/12/10 12:43:29.58 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7770 View 2009/12/10 12:43:33.95 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7771 View 2009/12/10 12:43:38.43 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7772 View 2009/12/10 12:43:42.37 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7773 View 2009/12/10 12:43:46.20 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7774 View 2009/12/10 12:43:50.03 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7775 View 2009/12/10 12:43:53.86 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7776 View 2009/12/10 12:43:57.58 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.15
7777 View 2009/12/10 12:44:01.51 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.30
7778 View 2009/12/10 12:44:05.45 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7779 View 2009/12/10 12:44:09.28 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7780 View 2009/12/10 12:44:13.11 AM Deck the Halls $0.27 $0.00
7781 View 2009/12/10 12:44:22.29 AM Deck the Halls $0.24 $0.30
7782 View 2009/12/10 12:44:27.87 AM Deck the Halls $0.24 $0.00
In 36.93 out 12.78 = 32% Return


Total
in 155.55 out 81.87 = 52% return from 617 spins (features won=1)

Losing spins 98% of all spins!

I say those stats are so well outside natural variance that the slot has to be rigged.
Rigged in this instance means that the variance is artificial.

Dash, if you want to disprove this then all you need do is supply the reel data for this slot and the probabilities of each outcome.
We will then compare them with my statistics and see how far out of expected variance they are.
Can't say fairer than that now can I - especially since I just got 50% return on 3 sessions at your Casino.

Merry Christmas everybody, have a good one!

 

[4 of a kind]

Sorry Rusty, we need at least one million hands to confirm anything. Nothing more here then just a couple of bad sessions. This happens to all of us sooner or later.

(sarcastic) LOL

 

[silcnlayc]

4 of a kind: Sorry Rusty, we need at least one million hands to confirm anything. Nothing more here then just a couple of bad sessions. This happens to all of us sooner or later.

(sarcastic) LOL

OMG, 4 of a kind, I laffed so hard when I saw what you posted because I was thinking the same thing! Thats the first thing thrown at you when you question "VARIANCE"....toooo FF!

No offense to you though Rusty, been there more than I care to admit the last few years and when I questioned this kind of play I was told the same thing...

I hope they do take you up on it...so they can say, ....well you were on the losing end of someones HUGE win (yea right), which is the standard reply .

.

 

[Mavin1]

Losing spins 98% of all spins!

I say those stats are so well outside natural variance that the slot has to be rigged.
Rigged in this instance means that the variance is artificial.

Dash, if you want to disprove this then all you need do is supply the reel data for this slot and the probabilities of each outcome.
We will then compare them with my statistics and see how far out of expected variance they are.
Can't say fairer than that now can I - especially since I just got 50% return on 3 sessions at your Casino.



I say this is across the board, but you will be sacked, burned, bulldozed and buried if you say anything.
I am just waiting for the day either all real players quit or affiliates and promoters are enjoying the same lovely time the real people are. Maybe then they will make the proper corrections.

NOT!!!!!!!!!!

Well maybe when hell freezes over!

 

[Nifty29]

Deck the Halls can be a complete bastard as it is very high variance, and I have had similar sessions....and its not a lot of fun. However, Ive also had some huge hits as well so I know for a fact it does pay at times.

Im not going to say anything else as some people refuse to even attempt to understand how some slots are different to others i.e how they meet the RTP, so I'll leave you to read the following info from Enzo which I found really interesting and it made a lot of sense:

https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/high-variance-understanding-it-loving-it.20229/

 

[De Beuker]

You're increasing the variance even more by playing only 9 lines.
I'd rather play this slot at 1 coin/30 paylines, gives alot more playtime.
But I have to admit that this is a truly dramatic session, holy crap..

 

[pevangel]

WOW that is sad Rusty, so sorry I hope you do much better in the very near future like today.



pevangel

 

[KasinoKing]

Losing spins 98% of all spins!

Merry Christmas everybody, have a good one!

I think you need to get your calculator out again - it's no-where near 98%.

Total spins: 616
Spins which returned $0: 508 = 82.46%
Spins which returned more than your bet: 83 = 13.47%

So losing spins (returning less than your bet) = 86.52%

I do agree that is totally CRAP, however, I also agree with De Beuker that playing only 9 lines is increasing your variance on what is already probably one of the highest variance slots MG have ever produced.

It was CRAP for me too, playing it for a Ladbrokes promo last week;
Played it 8 days (carried on thinking it MUST get better) - only finished in the black 1 day, and badly in the red the other 7.
Total spins: 988 (all at 30 lines, bets between 60p & 1.20/spin)
Total wagered: 904
Total lost: 202
Total return: 77.65%
Worst day: Wagered 103, Lost 75!!! (Return 27.18%... )
Scratchcards: +44

Features won: 4
Best one: Bet x43 - but that was all from the one & only win I hit during my 10 spins!

I knew what I was getting into when I started - I was looking for one of those mega-wins when you line up loads of stacked Santas and Wilds in the free-spins - but it never happened.
I don't like this slot either - the variance is just too high, but rigged? No.

Nice to see you posting again - Merry Crimbo!
KK

 

[SlotMonster]

Is this a "high variance" slot?

 

[Rusty]

I just rechecked and counted 70 spins returning>bet which would give 89% losing spins. No matter, I miscounted.

I am all too well aware of how variance is supposed to work but my point is that the variance is controlled by algorithms and probability tables rather than the reel design and paytable, it is artificial.
This means that the slot is weighted which means its return is also governed.
I will call that rigged until MG or Dash can come here and prove the variance is within expected parameters for the reel layout and paytable.

I also invite MGS to explain how a reel stop position can not be selected for over 900+ spins and counting on one of their slots without weighting.

Another interesting thing is that each successive deposit at Dash yielded a lower return than the last even when the returns fell way below expectation.
I dare say eventually if a keep playing it I will hit a big win on the free spins and get somewhere near 95% return but that is not my point.

Here is another mini sample giving strong evidence of how their slots are weighted.
This is from new game Scrooge where each win takes you 1 step closer to triggering the fee spins or adding 1 extra free spin to the bank.
I needed to hit 1 more win to trigger the feature at this point.
My balance was getting low but still plenty to hit a few wins. (you would think) this was the result from needing that win.

Scrooge waiting to trigger free spins

6731 View 2009/12/08 4:03:19.56 AM Scrooge $0.18 $0.00
6732 View 2009/12/08 4:03:24.27 AM Scrooge $0.18 $0.00
6733 View 2009/12/08 4:03:28.87 AM Scrooge $0.18 $0.00
6734 View 2009/12/08 4:03:33.35 AM Scrooge $0.18 $0.00
6735 View 2009/12/08 4:03:37.85 AM Scrooge $0.18 $0.00
6736 View 2009/12/08 4:03:42.42 AM Scrooge $0.18 $0.00
6737 View 2009/12/08 4:03:46.90 AM Scrooge $0.18 $0.00
6738 View 2009/12/08 4:03:51.39 AM Scrooge $0.18 $0.00
6739 View 2009/12/08 4:03:55.99 AM Scrooge $0.18 $0.00
6740 View 2009/12/08 4:04:00.36 AM Scrooge $0.18 $0.00
6741 View 2009/12/08 4:04:04.85 AM Scrooge $0.18 $0.00
6742 View 2009/12/08 4:04:09.44 AM Scrooge $0.18 $0.00
6743 View 2009/12/08 4:04:13.83 AM Scrooge $0.18 $0.00
6744 View 2009/12/08 4:04:18.40 AM Scrooge $0.18 $0.00
6745 View 2009/12/08 4:04:22.90 AM Scrooge $0.18 $0.00
6746 View 2009/12/08 4:04:27.37 AM Scrooge $0.18 $0.00
6747 View 2009/12/08 4:04:31.98 AM Scrooge $0.18 $0.00
6748 View 2009/12/08 4:04:36.35 AM Scrooge $0.18 $0.00
6749 View 2009/12/08 4:04:40.94 AM Scrooge $0.18 $0.00
6750 View 2009/12/08 4:04:45.53 AM Scrooge $0.18 $0.00
6751 View 2009/12/08 4:04:50.01 AM Scrooge $0.18 $0.00
6752 View 2009/12/08 4:04:54.40 AM Scrooge $0.18 $0.00
6753 View 2009/12/08 4:04:58.88 AM Scrooge $0.18 $0.00
6754 View 2009/12/08 4:05:03.17 AM Scrooge $0.18 $0.00
6755 View 2009/12/08 4:05:14.73 AM Scrooge $0.18 $0.60
6756 View 2009/12/08 4:05:16.61 AM Scrooge $0.18 $0.00
6757 View 2009/12/08 4:05:21.08 AM Scrooge $0.18 $0.00
6758 View 2009/12/08 4:05:25.69 AM Scrooge $0.18 $0.00
6759 View 2009/12/08 4:05:30.37 AM Scrooge $0.18 $0.00
6760 View 2009/12/08 4:05:35.30 AM Scrooge $0.18 $0.00
6761 View 2009/12/08 4:05:41.10 AM Scrooge $0.18 $0.00
6762 View 2009/12/08 4:05:45.58 AM Scrooge $0.18 $0.00
6763 View 2009/12/08 4:05:50.19 AM Scrooge $0.18 $0.00
6764 View 2009/12/08 4:05:54.78 AM Scrooge $0.18 $0.00
6765 View 2009/12/08 4:05:59.48 AM Scrooge $0.18 $0.00
6766 View 2009/12/08 4:06:03.88 AM Scrooge $0.18 $0.00
6767 View 2009/12/08 4:06:08.88 AM Scrooge $0.18 $0.00
6768 View 2009/12/08 4:06:13.36 AM Scrooge $0.18 $0.00
6769 View 2009/12/08 4:06:35.68 AM Scrooge $0.16 $0.00

37 dead spins from 38 playing 9 lines busting me - meaning I would need to redeposit to hit the feature. Something I had not even come close to in the Hundreds of spins prior!
That to me is strong evidence that not only are the games weighted but it is dynamic and adjusted during the game.
I could go on with these examples but I think those 3 are more than enough to show what I have been saying all along is true.
So MG, your reputation is at stake, what do you have to say?

This is a fantastic opportunity for Dash and MGS to prove publicly that their slots operate without weighting and within expected variance. Surely they will take it, hmm?

 

[silcnlayc]

37 dead spins from 38 playing 9 lines busting me - meaning I would need to redeposit to hit the feature.

I eneded up waiting to ge tthat last win to trigger the bonus also and ended up busting out when I had more than enough to carry me through to hit that one win...(I thought) Boy was I wrong!

I did redeposit...and won a smidgeon of what I spent to get there..and left it alone.. Another game that gives you bells and whistles and comes out a flop in the end..

.

 

[CURTSONLYLOVE10]

37 dead spins from 38 playing 9 lines busting me - meaning I would need to redeposit to hit the feature. Something I had not even come close to in the Hundreds of spins prior!
That to me is strong evidence that not only are the games weighted but it is dynamic and adjusted during the game.
I could go on with these examples but I think those 3 are more than enough to show what I have been saying all along is true.
So MG, your reputation is at stake, what do you have to say?

This is a fantastic opportunity for Dash and MGS to prove publicly that their slots operate without weighting and within expected variance. Surely they will take it, hmm?

what u need to do is play the max lines...and then tell us that the variance is too high...there is no way if u were playing the max lines that u would not hit in 37 spins...

i played this game and i must say i have nothing bad to say about it...i hit the feature so many times and the free spins...ohhhhhhhhh but i was betting the max lines maybe that is y...

in both of these games u complain about high variance..but in neither game were u betting the max lines..lord knows what u missed out on by not doing this....

good luck in the future

 

[path]

Firstly, I agree that Rusty certainly had 3 poor sessions and believe it or not we do not like to see any of our players have experiences like that. We do see sessions with the exact opposite outcome to that of Rustys and having checked the performance of the game across the whole of the Casino I can say that the game has performed close to its statistical personality which confirms that the game is in no way rigged.

As we are all probably aware, every slot has its bad streaks and variance plays a decisive role in this. The stats enjoyed (or should that be endured?) by Rusty clearly evidence a bad streak. A payout percentage of 50.34% and a hit rate (percentage of spins that generate a payout) of some 17% does not make for an entertaining session in anyones book, thats for sure, but that alone is no indication of a game being rigged. Again as pointed out by De Beuker in his post, the variance will increase for the game if its not being played to the maximum number of lines available; playing 9 out of the 30 available lines will certainly limit potential pays and increase the variance.

We would love to give Rusty another opportunity to see how this Slot performs over its full 30 paylines, so Rusty if you drop me a PM we can then take care of the necessary.

Cheers for now
Pat

 

[KasinoKing]

I just rechecked and counted 70 spins returning>bet which would give 89% losing spins. No matter, I miscounted.

I put all your data into an Excel Spreadsheet and sorted it by Bet, then by Win Amount and counted them - I'm 99% sure my figures are completely accurate. Not that it makes much difference!

37 dead spins from 38 playing 9 lines busting me - meaning I would need to redeposit to hit the feature. Something I had not even come close to in the Hundreds of spins prior!

I can empathize with this a bit; I played Scrooge for the first time last night (another Ladbrokes promo ) going right through to the free-spins twice, and though I didn't record how many spins the last Day took - it certainly took WAY more than the average to hit the last one in my second session.
However, both my sessions (going from Day 1 to 25 & getting free-spins) ended up near enough break-even - in fact, up a few quid.

BTW, playing 38 x 9-line spins is the same as playing only 12.7 spins at max lines (it's a 50-line slot, but there are only 27 combinations for getting a 3-symbol win on the first 3 reels) - so in those terms I think my "unlucky run" was actually LONGER than yours!

That to me is strong evidence that not only are the games weighted but it is dynamic and adjusted during the game.
I could go on with these examples but I think those 3 are more than enough to show what I have been saying all along is true.
So MG, your reputation is at stake, what do you have to say?

This is a fantastic opportunity for Dash and MGS to prove publicly that their slots operate without weighting and within expected variance. Surely they will take it, hmm?

I'm very glad to see you posting on the forum again, but saddened that you have returned with the exact same attitude; If you honestly, really believe MG software is rigged (which seems quite likely!) then please, DON'T PLAY IT!

KK

 

[Wildfire7]

Too right! Playing only 9/30 lines over 600 spins cannot possibly give an accurate indication of whether a game is rigged or not. Whilst I would agree it is not a good set of results, it does happen and quite often too.

It is not beyond the realms of possibility that the majority of the hits in this session just so happened to be on lines 10-30. Sadly this is a risk the player takes by not selecting more paylines.

One factor to consider is that Deck the Halls requires you to line up at least 3symbols to get a winning combination. The base game on this is very low anyway, with the game being heavily reliant on hitting the free spins. Which on its own will return poor results as they are only doubled up from a low base game. Only if you can get those stacked wilds on free spins will you have a chance on this slot.

It may be festive, glistening and all Christmasy, but this slot is a turkey, poor value and one to play when your well ahead.

Mike

 

[Simmo!]

Doesnt DTH have stacked symbols? Playing 9 paylines on a stacked symbol slot increases the variance even more because the stacked line-ups are what pays normally.

 

[Tengil]

This thread brought back to my memory a horrible session with Inca Gold. Starting bankroll of 1009,60. 348 spins later at an average bet size of 4,78 (213@4 and 135@6) I busted with a payout percentage of 39,3. Included a streak with 42 (E:was 32) spins in a row returning 0.
I actually dumped 190 more on it with even worse results (~34).

 

[De Beuker]

Doesnt DTH have stacked symbols? Playing 9 paylines on a stacked symbol slot increases the variance even more because the stacked line-ups are what pays normally.

Yes, the Santa's are the highest paying symbols and they are stacked in normal spins.
On top of that the wilds are also stacked during free spins.
A combo of stacked Santa's and stacked wilds in FS, thats what you want on this slot

 

[KasinoKing]

Are we being Scrooged???

For Rusty; Some VERY INTERESTING Scrooge stats:

After my last post I decided to play Scrooge again to see what happened.
I was playing max lines on all spins at various bet levels.

I've split this into 2; my spins from the start (day 1) to day 24, then how many spins it took the get the last day:-

Aspect noted ....... To Day 24 .... To day 25
Spins Played ............ 120 ............. 32
Winning spins ............ 38 ............... 4
Average spins/wins .. 3.16 ........... 7.75
Day bonuses won ....... 23 ............... 1 (The last spin, obviously)
Free Spin bonuses ...... 15 ............... 4

So after getting to Day 24;
My win hit average reduced by MORE THAN HALF.
The ratio of Free Spin to Day bonuses went up from 0.65/1 to 4/1...

I have to say, based on this particular set of results it looks like this slot is NOT random.
I will repeat this experiment a few times & see what I get...
(Might not be today).

KK

 

[LaHutti]

For Rusty; Some VERY INTERESTING Scrooge stats:

After my last post I decided to play Scrooge again to see what happened.
I was playing max lines on all spins at various bet levels.

I've split this into 2; my spins from the start (day 1) to day 24, then how many spins it took the get the last day:-

Aspect noted ....... To Day 24 .... To day 25
Spins Played ............ 120 ............. 32
Winning spins ............ 38 ............... 4
Average spins/wins .. 3.16 ........... 7.75
Day bonuses won ....... 23 ............... 1 (The last spin, obviously)
Free Spin bonuses ...... 15 ............... 4

So after getting to Day 24;
My win hit average reduced by MORE THAN HALF.
The ratio of Free Spin to Day bonuses went up from 0.65/1 to 4/1...

I have to say, based on this particular set of results it looks like this slot is NOT random.
I will repeat this experiment a few times & see what I get...
(Might not be today).

KK

Interesting, but I'm not surprised.
This is my excact observations in 5 sessions too.
Let me do another session, just for shits and giggles, and see if I can do it again ...why oh why, do I keep doing that, to prove what I already know ..lol

 

[De Beuker]

It would not surprise me at all if MG slots are weighted, after all, even a child can see that the 3-reel slots are weighted, so why not the 5 reel?
Take for example TR2, the Global Adventure bonus.
The first 4 passports always drop within the first 50 spins, then you wait forever for that last one to hit.
I went well over 700 spins once (multiple sessions) to hit that last passport on reel 1!!

Centre Court, another one thats weighted, has nobody ever noticed that there are tennisballs added to the reels at certain points in the game?
Ever since that November update the reels are spinning so slow that I can watch every symbol pass by, and reel 1 and 5 have sometimes 1, sometimes 2 tennisballs on them.
And I'm almost sure that during the high paying freespinrounds there are more stacked wilds on the reels also, 2 sets of 3 instead of 1.
Dynamic weighting, yes I'm sure it happens, but does this mean the games are rigged?

 

[DiamondGeezer]

Frankly it's preposterous saying MG slots are rigged. 95% is a massive edge as it is. Why would they want to make it even bigger? What exactly do they stand to gain? They want regular customers who seek entertainment.

Bad session yes cheating no.

 

[KasinoKing]

Of course, the law of sod stepped in; on my very next go on Scrooge it only took 2 spins between Day 24 and 25... so bang goes that theory.
I suffered a BRUTAL spell of no wins on my way the the free-spins though and suffered a huge loss overall.

One thing I want to check in closer detail is the value of the "bet" in free-spins which is supposed to be the average of all your spins when you hit the "Add a Day" bonus symbol - to me it felt like it was lower.

It would not surprise me at all if MG slots are weighted, after all, even a child can see that the 3-reel slots are weighted, so why not the 5 reel?
Take for example TR2, the Global Adventure bonus.
The first 4 passports always drop within the first 50 spins, then you wait forever for that last one to hit.
I went well over 700 spins once (multiple sessions) to hit that last passport on reel 1!!

I've played Tomb Raider 2 a lot - and I can't agree with your comment about hitting the passports.
Yes, you do get the first ones quicker, but if you think about it that is totally logical;
To get the first Passport you have 5 chances with every spin (5 reels it could land on),
To get the second Passport you only have 4 chances with every spin (4 reels it could land on), and so on...

On average, it should take 5 times as many spins to get the 5th passport as it takes to get the 1st one.
I also strongly suspect the reel strips on TR2 are somewhere between 150 and 200 symbols long...

However, as with Scrooge, I'm not totally happy that the potential win in the Global Bonus is proportional to the value of your spins when you hit the Passports; I have sometimes had overall bigger wins from it low-rolling than I have high-rolling...

Centre Court, another one thats weighted, has nobody ever noticed that there are tennisballs added to the reels at certain points in the game?
Ever since that November update the reels are spinning so slow that I can watch every symbol pass by, and reel 1 and 5 have sometimes 1, sometimes 2 tennisballs on them.
And I'm almost sure that during the high paying freespinrounds there are more stacked wilds on the reels also, 2 sets of 3 instead of 1.

I haven't played this bastard slot much, but what you are probably seeing there is the result of the "cut in" of the finishing symbols during the spin.
What happens is the reels spin, starting from the previous stop position, and then the software "cuts-in" a strip of symbols just before they stop spinning to give the correct final result.

This is often easily observed on Cashapillar where you will often see just 1, 2, 3 or 4 stacked wilds go past the "window" just before the reel stops, even though ALL the reels only have one strip of 5 stacked wilds on them.

Don't forget, on all slots the "spinning reels" are just eye-candy - the final result of the spin has already been determined a Milli-second after you hit the spin button.

KK

 

[The Dude]

...
Ever since that November update the reels are spinning so slow that I can watch every symbol pass by, and reel 1 and 5 have sometimes 1, sometimes 2 tennisballs on them...

Just to chime in real quick - what you are seeing is only the animation. It has nothing to do with the outcome of the spin. When you click "spin" the outcome has been made via the random number generator. The spinning and other bells and whistles are only there to entertain you. Nothing is really spinning, it's but an animated illusion.

 

[Rusty]

Of course, the law of sod stepped in; on my very next go on Scrooge it only took 2 spins between Day 24 and 25... so bang goes that theory.
I suffered a BRUTAL spell of no wins on my way the the free-spins though and suffered a huge loss overall.

One thing I want to check in closer detail is the value of the "bet" in free-spins which is supposed to be the average of all your spins when you hit the "Add a Day" bonus symbol - to me it felt like it was lower.



I've played Tomb Raider 2 a lot - and I can't agree with your comment about hitting the passports.
Yes, you do get the first ones quicker, but if you think about it that is totally logical;
To get the first Passport you have 5 chances with every spin (5 reels it could land on),
To get the second Passport you only have 4 chances with every spin (4 reels it could land on), and so on...

On average, it should take 5 times as many spins to get the 5th passport as it takes to get the 1st one.
I also strongly suspect the reel strips on TR2 are somewhere between 150 and 200 symbols long...

However, as with Scrooge, I'm not totally happy that the potential win in the Global Bonus is proportional to the value of your spins when you hit the Passports; I have sometimes had overall bigger wins from it low-rolling than I have high-rolling...


I haven't played this bastard slot much, but what you are probably seeing there is the result of the "cut in" of the finishing symbols during the spin.
What happens is the reels spin, starting from the previous stop position, and then the software "cuts-in" a strip of symbols just before they stop spinning to give the correct final result.

This is often easily observed on Cashapillar where you will often see just 1, 2, 3 or 4 stacked wilds go past the "window" just before the reel stops, even though ALL the reels only have one strip of 5 stacked wilds on them.

Don't forget, on all slots the "spinning reels" are just eye-candy - the final result of the spin has already been determined a Milli-second after you hit the spin button.

KK

Thanks for you input KK and checking out your stats.
Yes I do think there is strong evidence MG is weighted and so is Rival and so is RTG. You are right I shouldn't play, it frustrates me but only because I know slots and the industry could be so much better and the Casinos still makes a healthy profit, just a more legitimate one.
If they ever actually held their hands up and said yes the slots do use weighting but that is industry standard then the real debate about whether they are actually fair could begin and I would not have to keep posting stats and evidence.

I say your second experience with Scrooge is the exception rather than the rule. Perhaps a quick update has been applied?

I would say I disagree with you about TR2 as I have gone 900+ spins (thus far) without hitting the required passport. Not at Dash but at another MG. That is so far outside expected variance it is crazy. There really can not be any stronger evidence for weighting than a reel stop position not being selected for this length of time - oh and it happens to be the one that triggers the feature.

Those that are unintentionally or intentionally making patronizing remarks about 9 lines and max lines and less lines raising the variance - trust me, you are missing the point.
Of course you will hit more wins playing more lines but you pay more for the privilege.
What is important is the relative variance to the amount of lines you play.
The theoretical return should not be altered whether you bet 1 line or 100 and each reel stop position should occur just as often.
Or to put it another way - the variance should be natural and not occur in these "manufactured" streaks.

The rule is;
The worse the losing streak the more unlikely the win.
The more unlikely the win the worse the losing streak.

If you are a regular slots player how does that rule work for you?


1 hit in 30+ spins @ 9 lines is (as I returned to trigger the feature) no way within the expected variance for the reel layout on Scrooge, I guarantee it.

MGS know what I am saying is absolutely true and so do RTG and Rival but they just see it as a legitimate way to design a slot.
I do not because it is misleading and whether it actually is or not the RTP can be altered on a whim.

Dash for the record are not a bad Casino in the context of what I am saying and the thread should read 600+reasons not to play online slots.
Mods could you change that for me please.

PatH
Thank you for that kind offer (Sincerely), I may well take you up on it sometime but at the moment I am all Mg'd out.

 

[Rusty]

It would not surprise me at all if MG slots are weighted, after all, even a child can see that the 3-reel slots are weighted, so why not the 5 reel?
Take for example TR2, the Global Adventure bonus.
The first 4 passports always drop within the first 50 spins, then you wait forever for that last one to hit.
I went well over 700 spins once (multiple sessions) to hit that last passport on reel 1!!

Centre Court, another one thats weighted, has nobody ever noticed that there are tennisballs added to the reels at certain points in the game?
Ever since that November update the reels are spinning so slow that I can watch every symbol pass by, and reel 1 and 5 have sometimes 1, sometimes 2 tennisballs on them.
And I'm almost sure that during the high paying freespinrounds there are more stacked wilds on the reels also, 2 sets of 3 instead of 1.
Dynamic weighting, yes I'm sure it happens, but does this mean the games are rigged?

Absolutely.
Anyone can observe these things.
Play World cup and you have the same effect sometimes you will have 1 whistle on reel 5 sometimes 2. hit a decent free spin round and back to 1 whistle. It is that obvious but still it is klike banging my head against a walll most of the time.
Thank you for your observation and the valid point you make.

 

[Rusty]

Just to chime in real quick - what you are seeing is only the animation. It has nothing to do with the outcome of the spin. When you click "spin" the outcome has been made via the random number generator. The spinning and other bells and whistles are only there to entertain you. Nothing is really spinning, it's but an animated illusion.

True but not quite complete.
The reel strip animations have to correspond to the result of the RNG and any algorithm in place that may seed the result.

You can either have an artificial blur effect and just display a final animation or you can have virtual reels. MG and RTG have virtual reels and no artificial blur effect for the most part(some exceptions) therefore they need to animate the reel from start to stop position.

It is true that the animation has no effect on the result but not true that the result has no effect on the animation.

 

[DiamondGeezer]

Can't really see what your evidence is? I play slots a fair bit and have had a good number of 50% return sessions. This sort of stuff is pretty normal. You can go 75% over long wagering too. This is what slots do. They are games of high variance.

Sorry you lost and for the boring answer. I have had a bunch of sessions like this but also some very unlikely wins. Hopefully you will get some soon.

 

[Rusty]

Can't really see what your evidence is? I play slots a fair bit and have had a good number of 50% return sessions. This sort of stuff is pretty normal. You can go 75% over long wagering too. This is what slots do. They are games of high variance.

Sorry you lost and for the boring answer. I have had a bunch of sessions like this but also some very unlikely wins. Hopefully you will get some soon.

I know it is fairly common to get these sessions but they are only normal within the system you are playing.
If I gave you a Casino with the exact same slots and stripped away all the bullshit that controls the RTP and variance you would notice a very big difference in how they played.
If played both versions for a long time and you made graphs from your play data and compared them what you would find is that the overall RTP is similar but the peaks and troughs (win/losing streaks) were much less amplified on the slots without the weighting.

It is hard to make a clear distinction between weighted slots and rigged slots, probably why the Casinos and software companies keep quiet on the subject.
As has been pointed out 3 reel slots use weighting but there are no cries of rigged. I am not sure why that is but probably because 3 reel slots are less complicated and people understand how the weighting is used to alter the probability of different stop positions being selected (such as the bonus symbol on reel 3).
One thing that should show you though is that the RNG is secondary to the weighting. Or to put it another way you can have a perfectly fair RNG but a rigged slot.

I am not making that distinction much clearer am I?
That is because wherever slots are weighted the scope for cheating/rigging is increased but not necessarily a fact.
To make that point clear ask yourself how often the bonus reel should appear on the 3rd reel of that 3 reel slot.
Don't know? (There is no way to find out)
Then you don't know if it is rigged do you.

When we extend this to 5 reel slots with scatters that trigger not only bonus rounds but free spins you can imagine the weighting gets far more complicated.
Bonus rounds will offer a prize of between (min) X and (max)Y amount.
How is that prize determined?
More importantly we are led to believe that wins are generated in real time in free spin rounds. Not a chance - they operate in much the same manner as bonus rounds. Is that a fair game?

As for 9 lines and variance with Scrooge I will put that in perspective to make it even clearer.
If I was playing one line and that variance was "normal" I would be hitting 3 of a kind or better once in around every 300 spins.
That means, for example, that if the slot had an even 20 symbols on each reel (the slot will have more than this and different reel strip lengths)and 1 wild and 1 scatter on each reel my probability of hitting 3 of a kind or better (with wilds) would be;
Where s=any symbol and W=wild and X = specific symbol
Where reels 1 to 5 are separated by commas and winning combinations are in brackets

W,W,S,S,S = (1X1X19*X20X20) = 7600
S,W,W,S,S = (19*X1X1X20X20) =7600
W,S,W,S,S = (1X19*X1X20X20) =7600
W,S,X,S,S = (1X18X1X19X19) = 6156
S,W,X,S,S = (18X1X1X19X19) =6156
X,W,X.S,S = (1X1X1X20X20) =400
W,X,X.S,S = (1X1X1X20X20) =400
X,X,W.S,S = (1X1X1X20X20) = 400
*19 because scatter blocks the winline, 18 because wild already calculated

Then we need all the natural wins where we match 3 or more of any 3 symbols.
X,X,X,S,S = (?X?X?X20X20)=?

This depends on the reel layout and how many of each symbol exist on each reel (the nitty gritty of natural variance) Scrooge has 13 symbols including Wild and scatters with lowest win paying a very lowly 60 coins (this suggests this slot has low natural variance not high by the way)

We are only making a rough example here though and I will actually be very kind and calculate for only 1 of each symbol (20 different symbols) which will make the total win combinations greatly less than would normally be the case.

so;
X,X,X,S,S = (1X1X1X20X20) =400X18 (all symbols except wild & scatter) =7200
Just to point out how much higher this figure would be in reality, if a symbol had 3 instances on reel 1 and 2 instances on reel 2 and 2 instances on reel 3 and n amount on the last 2 reels the winning combinations for that symbol alone would be 4800!

So our slot on a full cycles has 3.2 million combinations (20X20X20X20X20)
Winning combinations of 3 of a kind or more=43,512

3,200,000/43,512 = 73.54 which would be our expected hit frequency playing 1 line and 8.17 playing 9 lines.

The vast majority of slots have a higher hit frequency than this to improve playability and this is achieved by micro payouts for most 3 of a kind combos (less than bet)

To achieve 34 blank spins from 35 playing 9 lines is a massive anomaly, especially when you consider the timing of the streak.

So many people who talk about slot variance and how it is achieved (natural or weighted) are really without a clue what they are talking about.(That is not aimed at you Geezer)


The point of all that is to show how natural variance works and should be incorporated into the slot through reel layout, award amounts, likelihood of feature triggers and expected feature value.
With the current software we have a mock version of this with the variance being manipulated behind the scenes via algorithms that dynamically weight the probability of feature wins and even outcome of each spin.

For me Scrooge is a rigged slot because it oversteps the boundary of just weighting feature probability to weighting probability of wins.
That is what compelled me to post again above and beyond my normal campaigning to get rid of weighting, to point out this very cynical approach by MGS to software design.

I once again wish all the forum and Mods a very merry Christmas and a Happy new year. See you in the Spring.

 

[Nifty29]

Some interesting stuff in this thread.

@Rusty - I see what you're saying about weighting/design etc, but if a weighted slot pays out 95% the same as another unweighted slot, then what is the difference? If the RTP is the same, then there will still be the same winners and losers, only the variance would be artificial in the weighted slot.

So, again, what is the difference between a slot with natural variance and one with artificial variance, if the RTP is identical? In my experience, its the RTP that determines whether or not a slot is worthwhile playing, not the variance. What we as players should be demanding from operators is what the RTP is for every slot - how they achieve isnt relevant as long as the RTP holds true (for me anyway)

As for RTG, I remember Dogboy stating a few times that the reels are 'true' and are not weighted - so maybe they are a better choice for you?

After all, at the end of the day, even if we slot lovers ALL understand completely how different slots work and how they manipulate outcomes etc etc, we will still keep playing them. Why? Most of us play them for entertainment and the chance of a win, not simply as a way to make money. In fact, as far as making money from gambling is concerned, slots are about the worst choice of game along with Keno and Scratchcards.

As I said, its a great discussion, but mostly academic if one is going to continue playing regardless, which I assume most of us will.

 

[AussieDave]

@Rusty...Mate without blowing smoke up your #ss you know I think your a worthy member of CM and contribute some top stuff.

But I think you need to find a new hobby!

My favourite slot is Break da Bank Again and I play at 32Red.

Over the last 2 days I've sunk $4K into it. Total withdrawals $1,300.

Like Deck the Halls and Scrooge, BDBA is also high variance.

I've experienced sessions in the last two days that would make your eyes bleed. However that's gambling for you.

On the other hand I've got multiple winning screen caps in the Winners thread that amount to over $40,000 in the last few months.

If you were playing some dodgy lame ass casino then I may entertain the thought that the place is rigged. But come on Mate...Your saying Dash is serving up dodgy games

As I said you contribute some good stuff to the forum but this is not one of those times. Give the gambling a rest because I don't think it's doing you any good.


Cheers

Dave

 

[De Beuker]

Some interesting stuff in this thread.

@Rusty - I see what you're saying about weighting/design etc, but if a weighted slot pays out 95% the same as another unweighted slot, then what is the difference? If the RTP is the same, then there will still be the same winners and losers, only the variance would be artificial in the weighted slot.

So, again, what is the difference between a slot with natural variance and one with artificial variance, if the RTP is identical? In my experience, its the RTP that determines whether or not a slot is worthwhile playing, not the variance. What we as players should be demanding from operators is what the RTP is for every slot - how they achieve isnt relevant as long as the RTP holds true (for me anyway)

Why are the classic 3 reel slots weighted?
To make them more attractive.
And more addictive.
I forgot where I read about this, but they did a test once with slotplayers, and this test showed that a slotplayer gets the same adrenaline/dopamine rush in the brain from a near-miss as from a win.
Thats why you see so many jackpots just beneath or just above the winline, to keep you going.
Thats why the slots need these streaks, to make the play more attractive.

About BDBA, Dave, do you really think natural variance can create these impossible long dry spells, and these massive winning streaks this slot shows?
For thousands of spins you won't see the wilds anywhere, then all of sudden they are all over the place and the game starts paying like crazy.

 

[KasinoKing]

I would say I disagree with you about TR2 as I have gone 900+ spins (thus far) without hitting the required passport. Not at Dash but at another MG. That is so far outside expected variance it is crazy.

Just a quick point as I have to dash (no pun intended!);

Like I said, I reckon there is very strong evidence that TR2 has up to 200 symbols per reel.
If so, you not getting the passport on 1 of the reels in 900 spins would be out by x4.5

Imagine a huge roulette wheel with 200 numbers, and you need to hit just 1 of them.
Is 4.5 x the average "so far outside expected variance it is crazy"?
I don't think it is.

Sorry, I know I've said this before, but you will never prove your "weighted" or "Manipulated" theory until you provide some solid evidence - so far you have produced just a few short losing sessions, and proved nothing.
e.g. What Kimss and Zoozie did was plot out the reels of Thunderstruck, put it through a simulator, and worked out the theoretical return is 95.05% - now that is proof.

KK

 

[Rusty]

Some interesting stuff in this thread.

@Rusty - I see what you're saying about weighting/design etc, but if a weighted slot pays out 95% the same as another unweighted slot, then what is the difference? If the RTP is the same, then there will still be the same winners and losers, only the variance would be artificial in the weighted slot.

So, again, what is the difference between a slot with natural variance and one with artificial variance, if the RTP is identical? In my experience, its the RTP that determines whether or not a slot is worthwhile playing, not the variance. What we as players should be demanding from operators is what the RTP is for every slot - how they achieve isnt relevant as long as the RTP holds true (for me anyway)

As for RTG, I remember Dogboy stating a few times that the reels are 'true' and are not weighted - so maybe they are a better choice for you?

After all, at the end of the day, even if we slot lovers ALL understand completely how different slots work and how they manipulate outcomes etc etc, we will still keep playing them. Why? Most of us play them for entertainment and the chance of a win, not simply as a way to make money. In fact, as far as making money from gambling is concerned, slots are about the worst choice of game along with Keno and Scratchcards.

As I said, its a great discussion, but mostly academic if one is going to continue playing regardless, which I assume most of us will.

Fair points and most people will keep playing them regardless of whether they know they are weighted or not which is why all software is weighted, players put up with it.
Most people do prefer the extreme streaks that weighting delivers lower lows, higher highs, that is why it is there as De Beuker points out.

It may be that the slot delivers the same RTP which may seem fine but you need to ask yourself how that RTP is made up and what are the conditions that govern the streaks.
If you found out that the slot you had just lost on was actually only set at 60% RTP for that session and your chances of triggering the feature were much reduced and even when you hit the feature the win would have been guaranteed poor would you still be happy with managed variance?

If you found out that your win streak could only max out to a certain level before being reigned in would that still seem fair?

Sure other times the opposite will be true and the books will be balanced but that does make it ok?

Playing online slots is like buying a batch of scratch cards.
In the end you will end up with the total amount of winnings in that batch.
No more, no less.
You can chose any order to play the cards and scratch the symbols in any order too but it won't make any difference you have already won or lost and you are just revealing which.

In a B&M casino slots are not so different except other people add to the take of the slot and the slot registers each in/out as anonymous so if you play at the right time you can win and choose another slot and get lucky all over again.
How is the in/out calculated with online slots and do you think you are registered as anonymous each time you load a slot?

Hey, you enjoy your experience and are happy with the set up and that is fine. I just want people to know the reality.

@Rusty...Mate without blowing smoke up your #ss you know I think your a worthy member of CM and contribute some top stuff.

But I think you need to find a new hobby!

My favourite slot is Break da Bank Again and I play at 32Red.

Over the last 2 days I've sunk $4K into it. Total withdrawals $1,300.

Like Deck the Halls and Scrooge, BDBA is also high variance.

I've experienced sessions in the last two days that would make your eyes bleed. However that's gambling for you.

On the other hand I've got multiple winning screen caps in the Winners thread that amount to over $40,000 in the last few months.

If you were playing some dodgy lame ass casino then I may entertain the thought that the place is rigged. But come on Mate...Your saying Dash is serving up dodgy games

As I said you contribute some good stuff to the forum but this is not one of those times. Give the gambling a rest because I don't think it's doing you any good.


Cheers

Dave

Your opinion carries as much weight as mine certainly and there is nothing wrong with disagreeing but you need to address the evidence.

I am saying that MG are serving up a dodgy game and giving you examples of why and a thorough and clear explanation as to how it works.
Your argument to that is, "Hey it is 32Red group, you know that Casino that opened an orphanage and sponsors World peace so the payouts must be 99% and the games legitimate so I will ignore the evidence"

By the way even the most respected B&M Casinos have been guilty of nefarious tactics to get the last Cent out of punters and even today they will employ every measure possible to maximise profit at your expense so please lets not pretend that any Casino is the paragon of integrity and decency.
That said 32Red/Dash are better than the majority I agree and will try to keep good public relations and make good will gestures. They are in no way to be associated with some of the dodgy Casinos you are talking about.
Perhaps you have misunderstood what I am saying.
They are not doing anything any other online Casino is not and no doubt are happy with the set up they have with MGS.

Why do you think Scrooge is a high variance slot by the way?
Scrooge would have low natural variance certainly.

The evidence that the slots are weighted is there in your own playlogs if you really want it but that is no big deal in itself except I think it is unethical. The evidence any slot is rigged is thinner and Scrooge is the first one I have come across that gives strong evidence of this.
It appears to cynically use the carrot and stick routine by drawing out the final trigger for the feature which means the results are being filtered.
If true then it is rigged whether the RTP is 50% or 99%.

Anyway, there was never a truer saying, 'You can lead a Horse to water but you can't make it drink.'

I am involved in other things at the moment so I can't put the time into this I would like so I will leave it at this.
As has been said, people will do what they do regardless and I will still play myself sometime in the future to see if anything has changed.
If people enjoy the games as they are and are happy then I guess I should be thankful we live in a perfect World and wish you all well.

 

[Rusty]

Just a quick point as I have to dash (no pun intended!);

Like I said, I reckon there is very strong evidence that TR2 has up to 200 symbols per reel.
If so, you not getting the passport on 1 of the reels in 900 spins would be out by x4.5

Imagine a huge roulette wheel with 200 numbers, and you need to hit just 1 of them.
Is 4.5 x the average "so far outside expected variance it is crazy"?
I don't think it is.

Sorry, I know I've said this before, but you will never prove your "weighted" or "Manipulated" theory until you provide some solid evidence - so far you have produced just a few short losing sessions, and proved nothing.
e.g. What Kimss and Zoozie did was plot out the reels of Thunderstruck, put it through a simulator, and worked out the theoretical return is 95.05% - now that is proof.

KK

It has been proven over and over and over and over again but if you wear blinkers you can only see the way you are looking.
The following is a good example of how you have a closed mindset.

What Kimss and Zoozie did was plot out the reels of Thunderstruck, put it through a simulator, and worked out the theoretical return is 95.05% - now that is proof.

That is proof of what?
All that proves is that the design is not out of kilt with the published returns.
I think MGS would have to be pretty stupid to do anything else especially after it was shown that the early 5 reel slots had left the proof of weighting in.

Mind you Moonshine has a symbol combination that has higher probability of 3 of a kind that pays more than another combination (unless it has been corrected since) hardly a mistake you would make id designing the RTP from the ground up.

You are a good egg KK but I would stake my life that the slots are weighted, that is how certain I am.
Whether Casinos cheat by changing the RTP is whole other subject that can be up for debate but weighting is a fact.

I am away from the forum again now for quite a while probably but have a great Christmas and all the best to the family.

 

[DiamondGeezer]

Rusty you clearly care hugely over this issue. I had to print off your post above as it is very complex. It's a bit too much for me after only one beer tonight .

In general I can see what you are saying though. My 2c is that I can see why even though the RTP is the same, weighting may be used. Perhaps there is an issue between the back end design and the graphical representation. Could it be to do with the fact that players will continue to play more if they see near misses? So the reason for the weighting is to improve the exitement factor?

You could be right in that this weighting increases variance but does not affect the thoeretical RTP. It's an interesting theory.

It is good you are keeping vigilant on this.

 

[RobWin]

Rusty you clearly care hugely over this issue. I had to print off your post above as it is very complex. It's a bit too much for me after only one beer tonight .

In general I can see what you are saying though. My 2c is that I can see why even though the RTP is the same, weighting may be used. Perhaps there is an issue between the back end design and the graphical representation. Could it be to do with the fact that players will continue to play more if they see near misses? So the reason for the weighting is to improve the exitement factor?
You could be right in that this weighting increases variance but does not affect the thoeretical RTP. It's an interesting theory.

It is good you are keeping vigilant on this.

DiamondGeezer, I think you hit the nail right on the head there. IGT 3-Reels Slots in land based casinos have been doing this for years now and there was even a study done back several years ago regarding the player psyche and emotions involved when they are playing a slot machine and continuously see these near misses and how it affects their playtime as in continuing it. I will see if I can dig that one up this week.
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[KasinoKing]

DiamondGeezer, I think you hit the nail right on the head there. IGT 3-Reels Slots in land based casinos have been doing this for years now and there was even a study done back several years ago regarding the player psyche and emotions involved when they are playing a slot machine and continuously see these near misses and how it affects their playtime as in continuing it. I will see if I can dig that one up this week.

That's a completely different kettle of fish - that's like trying to compare a Hedgehog to a Tiger!
We're talking about 5-reel bonus video slots in this thread - not 3-reeler's.

Of course 3 reel slots are weighted, I don't think anyone is questioning that.
Most of them have a small number of symbols per reel with blanks between each one, because of this and the weighting you are always bound to see a lot of high-paying symbols in the window, but not on the winline.

Slots in land-based casinos (the old ones, with physical reels) have to be weighed, it would be impossible for them to be truly random without spinning in a very bizarre way!

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Back to one of Rusty's issues - I have decided to have a go at plotting the reels on TR2 to find out the exact probability of getting the Global Bonus so we can decide if that slot is weighted or not.
I could be some time...

KK

 

[RobWin]

That's a completely different kettle of fish - that's like trying to compare a Hedgehog to a Tiger!
We're talking about 5-reel bonus video slots in this thread - not 3-reeler's.

Me thinks you missed the plot of my response to DiamondGeezer there my friend..

I never stated anything where I was trying to compare 3-Reel Slots to 5-Reel Slots...

I was simply responding to DG's question regarding the psychology behind "near misses" that I highlighted in Red in my post above, where he asked....

Could it be to do with the fact that players will continue to play more if they see near misses? So the reason for the weighting is to improve the exitement factor?

And I responded.....

DiamondGeezer, I think you hit the nail right on the head there. IGT 3-Reels Slots in land based casinos have been doing this for years now and there was even a study done back several years ago regarding the player psyche and emotions involved when they are playing a slot machine and continuously see these near misses and how it affects their playtime as in continuing it. I will see if I can dig that one up this week.

Slots in land-based casinos (the old ones, with physical reels) have to be weighed, it would be impossible for them to be truly random without spinning in a very bizarre way!

No they don't, the only reason they have ever been weighted since the late 80's was in fact to only show the near misses...what makes you think they have to be weighted in the first place just in order to spin properly?

Unless of course you are talking about the extremely old ones that are considered antiques now, the ones that were mechanical and electrical as well and they didn't operate from a RNG sequence as the modern day slots do...is that the one's you are talking about there?
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[RobWin]

In the Classic "Mechanical & Electrical Slot Machine" the parts and pieces worked as such :

* The handle rotates a hook mechanism, which grabs hold of the kicker, pulling it forward (toward the player).

* A catch on the opposite end of the kicker grabs a control cam piece and pivots it forward. This rotates a series of gears connected to the control cam. A spring pulls the control cam back to its original position, but the gear assembly slows it down considerably -- the gears act as a mechanical delay.

* When the control cam is pivoted forward, it releases a spring-mounted cam plate extending across the back of the machine.

* The control cam also pulls the stoppers away from the notched discs. As the kicker keeps moving, it pushes the stoppers against several catches on the cam plate. These hold the stoppers in place, so the discs and reels can rotate freely.

* As the handle continues to move the kicker, the kicker paddles push the discs forward briefly. When the handle is pulled all the way back and the kicker has passed the discs, the bottom of the hook mechanism moves up against a slanted surface. The slant pivots the hook forward, which causes it to release the kicker.

* The kicker spring jerks the kicker backward at a good speed. The kicker paddles hit the notches on the discs, spinning the reels rapidly.

* While all of this is happening, the control cam is slowly returning to its original position. When it does return, it pushes the cam plate back, which releases the stoppers. The different catches holding onto the different stoppers are positioned so that the cam plate will release the stoppers one at a time. Each stopper springs forward and locks into a notch, holding the reel in position.

From the player's point of view, here's how it looks. The player pulls the handle. There is a clunk, and the three reels start spinning. Then the three reels stop abruptly one at a time, followed by the payout (if necessary). The "stopping one at a time" part builds suspense. If the first reel stops on the jackpot symbol, then you have to wait for the next reel to stop to see if it is a jackpot, and then finally the third. If all three display the right symbol, the player wins.

Conventional mechanical slot machines eventually turned into electrical machines that worked on similar principles. In an electrical machine, the reels are spun by motors and the stoppers were generally activated by solenoids, but the game basically plays out the same way. Electrical machines had more sophisticated money-handling systems, like those you might find in a vending machine, and flashier light and sound displays.

In both types of systems, once the reels have come to a stop, the slot machine needs to read whether the player has won or lost.

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The Computerized Slot Machines Using RNG's

Most modern slot machines are designed to look and feel like the old mechanical models, but they work on a completely different principle. The outcome of each pull is actually controlled by a central computer inside the machine, not by the motion of the reels.

The computer uses step motors to turn each reel and stop it at the predetermined point. Step motors are driven by short digital pulses of electricity controlled by the computer, rather than the fluctuating electrical current that drives an ordinary electric motor. These pulses move the motor a set increment, or step, with great precision!

But even though the computer tells the reels where to stop, the games are not pre-programmed to pay out at a certain time. A random number generator at the heart of the computer ensures that each pull has an equal shot at hitting the jackpot.

Whenever the slot machine is turned on, the random number generator is spitting out whole numbers (typically between 1 and several billion) hundreds of times a second. The instant you pull the arm back (or press the button), the computer records the next few numbers from the random number generator. Then it feeds these numbers through a simple program to determine where the reels should stop.
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[Nifty29]

Max - can we please change the thread title?

Dash has done absolutely nothing wrong here and it doesnt read well at first glance, especially for a newbie.

 

[KasinoKing]

No they don't, the only reason they have ever been weighted since the late 80's was in fact to only show the near misses...what makes you think they have to be weighted in the first place just in order to spin properly?

OK, imagine a 5 reel slot with physical reels, each with 20 symbols on them.
They all start spinning together.
These reels would be about 1 foot diameter - you must have seen them...
When you play a slot, the reels stop; plop, plop, plop, plop, plop - what, about 0.4 seconds apart?

The first reel stops, lets just say on the Jackpot symbol.

At the moment reel 1 stops, the jackpot symbol on reel 2 is 10 spots away from the win-line.
No problem, 0.4 seconds later it plops onto the winline.

At the moment reel 2 stops, the jackpot symbol on reel 3 is 5 spots away from the win-line.
0.4 seconds later it has gone past the winline!
So in order for that symbol to get back to the winline, the reel would have to do another whole revolution.

And so on for reels 4 & 5.

If these slots were truly random the reels would have to spin at noticeably different speeds, or the reels would stop at noticeably different time intervals.

So what I'm saying is these slots can't be truly random in the same way that online slots can; because online slots don't have physical reels, each one can land on ANY symbol with no detectable difference between one spin & the next.
Online you have an equal chance of hitting the jackpot on every spin - with physical slots you don't.
They can still be random, but in a different way.

KK

 

[threescatters]

Deck the halls is incredibly swingy! My gf hit 150 from a 30p spin during normal play on it, I also lost a huge amount playing on 60p a go just trying to get the feature It happens.........its random luck.....

 

[threescatters]

also I agree thread title is unfair to dash, they are a pretty good casino imo