3Dice Play for Fun Mode
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Hi StacyLee.
One of the surest ways to end up on the Rogue List is to be caught having different odds in play mode than in real play for money mode.
There have been a few casinos over the years that got dumped for that reason, if I remember correctly.
One of the surest ways to end up on the Rogue List is to be caught having different odds in play mode than in real play for money mode.
There have been a few casinos over the years that got dumped for that reason, if I remember correctly.
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First of all jod5413, I thinks it's best you stop talking out of your rectum. Please point out where in the requirements that are listed to be accredited, does it state anything about free or real play being set at same RTP's.
"Standards for Accredited Casinos"
Player and Responsible Gaming Focused
* Must forbid underage play.
* Must have a clean history of fairness towards their customers.
* Must be able to take care of any player issue swiftly and professionally.
* Must display information about responsible gambling, with links to relevant organizations.
* Must offer and enforce spending limits in addition to both temporary and permanent self exclusion options.
Marketing Standards
* Must not use false, misleading or deceptive advertising.
* Must not spam, and must take appropriate actions against any affiliates or any third parties who do spam.
Operational Standards
* Must pay winnings in a timely manner.
* Must not disqualify any player from a payout if terms & conditions are met, except for situations of fraud (multiple-accounts, bogus ID documents, chargebacks, etc.,).
* Must not confiscate winnings for vague & unclear reasons, such as "irregular playing patterns" or "bonus abuse", without specific T&C violations.
* Must not implement terms that can be construed as "unfair" towards the player.
* No player shall be involuntarily placed into a situation which breaches the terms and conditions during the course of play.
* Must pay out progressive jackpot wins in full or in reasonable chunks, regardless of any terms and conditions limiting payouts.*
* Must remove any bonus and associated playthrough requirements at the request of the player if play has not commenced.
* Will not entice players to reverse cash withdrawals with bonuses or other incentives.
* Will not use outsourced support. Player support must be in-house.
Industry and Player Assurances
* RNG and/or software must be audited by a third party.
* Must have a representative (who can walk and chew gum at the same time) listed in Casinomeister's forum.
* They must be licensed in a jurisdiction that offers gambling licenses.**
In addition jod1234 since you state there have been a few casinos dumped over the years for that reason, can you please list one such case?
Stacylee,
I'm presently in the process to prove real and fun play are in fact set different,
see here https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/real-vs-fun-vp.40737/
Based on how this test is still on going and I have much more data to add already to this post, I think you'll agree they are in fact so different your head is going to spin.
On top of all this I'm doing this test with video poker where there shouldn't even be an option for different RTP settings, since video poker is only suppose to be dealt from random 52 or 53 card draw, and results are not supposed to be based on pre-determined house edge settings. In addition this test is being done at an RTG casino not 3-dice.
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4 of a kind
Look here and scroll to Wager21 Casinos = Games are looser in "play for fun" mode than in "real" mode. No pay - slow pay.
I cannot see anymore though, it would be interesting to see if this is ever a factor when ever Casinomeister looks at accrediting a casino or roguing one?
Cheers
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Thanks, Matt. I am so lazy when it comes to finding things here. I at least admit it.
StacyLee, no worries, some of our really smart members, Max, or even Bryan himself, will post about this issue.
Four of a Kind just thinks he is smart and knows it all.
Skiny, you can be an honorary Snark Prince, OK?
Four of a Kind...........B)te Me!!!
StacyLee, no worries, some of our really smart members, Max, or even Bryan himself, will post about this issue.
Four of a Kind just thinks he is smart and knows it all.
Skiny, you can be an honorary Snark Prince, OK?
Four of a Kind...........B)te Me!!!
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Hey, I thought I was supposed to be the snarky one.
LOL @ both of ya....
4OAK did make me laugh out loud with that line though....thanks!
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LOL @ both of ya....
4OAK did make me laugh out loud with that line though....thanks!
Yep, 4OAK is a real jackpot, don't you think?
And, Skiny? "Snarkling" is only worthwhile during the full moon. It is wasted on every day Dumb Chits!! It's a tough job being a Snark, but someone has to do it!!
Good Luck!!!
Yep, 4OAK is a real jackpot, don't you think?
And, Skiny? "Snarkling" is only worthwhile during the full moon. It is wasted on every day Dumb Chits!! It's a tough job being a Snark, but someone has to do it!!
Good Luck!!!
I know you know this could go on forever but maybe we'll let Stacey have her thread back.
Programs within programs!
Hi everyone, thanks for your contributions, I will look into them. Just wondered if there was a "guarantee" of sorts from "accredited" casinos.
I still wonder about the remarkable ability of computer programming - for if they can program "fun mode" to favour your betting sequence - this would obviously imply they can program "real mode" to not favour your betting sequence.
My interest is pure curiousity at this point as I don't have a gripe in this area. I have been playing real mode for a few months now and cannot complain. After doubling my initial deposit of $1,000 and withdrawing it, I now play with winnnings only - making weekly withdrawals of between $100-$300. (The major success here however is mind-set and adequate bankroll, stopping at small target and getting out until the next time.)
I have used several strategies, (developing and tweaking my own along the way), and find it interesting to see the spins "react" to different sequences. For example if I play roulette "numbers" I record fewer runs on B/R than if I use a 50/50 betting strategy. If I switch betting strategies the spins "react".
I know this sounds foolish and it is far more complicated than I have expressed, but I actually use this to my advantage, for although you can never predict the number from the randomness of the spin, it appears there are "programs within programs" which are behind the randomness, and are activated in accordance with betting stratgies.
This would possibly not be such a foolish statement if in fact "play mode" is reprogrammed.
One cannot help wonder and I will endeavour to continue listening to the programming as I play, for as long as "lady luck" will allow.
Cheers. :nod:
Hi everyone, thanks for your contributions, I will look into them. Just wondered if there was a "guarantee" of sorts from "accredited" casinos.
I still wonder about the remarkable ability of computer programming - for if they can program "fun mode" to favour your betting sequence - this would obviously imply they can program "real mode" to not favour your betting sequence.
My interest is pure curiousity at this point as I don't have a gripe in this area. I have been playing real mode for a few months now and cannot complain. After doubling my initial deposit of $1,000 and withdrawing it, I now play with winnnings only - making weekly withdrawals of between $100-$300. (The major success here however is mind-set and adequate bankroll, stopping at small target and getting out until the next time.)
I have used several strategies, (developing and tweaking my own along the way), and find it interesting to see the spins "react" to different sequences. For example if I play roulette "numbers" I record fewer runs on B/R than if I use a 50/50 betting strategy. If I switch betting strategies the spins "react".
I know this sounds foolish and it is far more complicated than I have expressed, but I actually use this to my advantage, for although you can never predict the number from the randomness of the spin, it appears there are "programs within programs" which are behind the randomness, and are activated in accordance with betting stratgies.
This would possibly not be such a foolish statement if in fact "play mode" is reprogrammed.One cannot help wonder and I will endeavour to continue listening to the programming as I play, for as long as "lady luck" will allow.
Cheers. :nod:
Just for the record on this thread: I apologise as I haven't been on here for a while and didn't do my homework. Just found a similar thread to this by WinALot "Pre-Determined Results for Multi Choice Games".
This thread discusses what I am curious about and delivers! I am still relatively new to the game and do wonder sometimes why I would be allowed to withdraw successfully each week without depositing again after my first instalment.
I imagine that:
a) I am only new and withdraw small compared to what others are winning;
b) over time several thousand consistently though isn't small, yet I'm sure X amount of people are consistently losing this amount, which counterbalances my payouts on the casinos books;
c) perhaps casinos write-off winning players as "advertising" material i.e. human nature almost guarantees that we share this info and of course then there will be those that wish to "have a go themselves" - indirect word of mouth sales!
I hope so anyway, because I have worked hard at succeeding so far and would like to know that I am going to be allowed to continue with a fair go.
Cheers and good luck to us all!
This thread discusses what I am curious about and delivers! I am still relatively new to the game and do wonder sometimes why I would be allowed to withdraw successfully each week without depositing again after my first instalment.
I imagine that:
a) I am only new and withdraw small compared to what others are winning;
b) over time several thousand consistently though isn't small, yet I'm sure X amount of people are consistently losing this amount, which counterbalances my payouts on the casinos books;
c) perhaps casinos write-off winning players as "advertising" material i.e. human nature almost guarantees that we share this info and of course then there will be those that wish to "have a go themselves" - indirect word of mouth sales!
I hope so anyway, because I have worked hard at succeeding so far and would like to know that I am going to be allowed to continue with a fair go.
Cheers and good luck to us all!
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@4ofakind - no flaming. You know better than that.
As for the Play for fun mode being the same as Play for real, as far as I know the third party auditing covers this. To make the Play for Fun loser is deceptive and makes the casino a candidate for the rogue pit. The Wager21 casinos even stated that they did this in their T&Cs - and I threw them in there anyway.
I think fun mode just seems looser because you don't care if you lose so you're willing to blow gobs and gobs of money, finally getting some huge win on max bet. Then you think "I wonder if that would have happened in real?"
When the reality is you probably wouldn't have been willing to dump 4k in the last 20 minutes before the bonus feature finally hit.
Fun mode probably isn't looser... the player is.
Not that I'm suggesting you're loose....
When the reality is you probably wouldn't have been willing to dump 4k in the last 20 minutes before the bonus feature finally hit.
Fun mode probably isn't looser... the player is.
Not that I'm suggesting you're loose....
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Can you be more specific on this topic Bryan? Please point out where a third party audit even mentions Fun Play? Comments like "as far as I know" are very vague and evasive.
You also mention looser Fun Play is deceptive and makes them a candidate for the rogue pit. If a casino's only flaw was looser Fun Play, would you in fact rogue a casino? If so I'm presently in the process of a test actually trying to prove that video poker is being played on pre-determined house edge advantage software. See here: https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/real-vs-fun-vp.40737/ Ironically this would also prove that the accredited casino has looser Fun Play; would you rogue this casino for looser Fun Play settings?
What I find even funnier is over the past decade while playing online casinos the Fun Play mode was a given that it was looser. Now I'm being told by experts that it's not. If I was willing to waste even more money then I already am with this test I'm doing with this one casino, I'm pretty certain I would eventually show enough evidence to rogue every casino you have accredited.
I am very interested in this topic, as being an amateur I have to, (on more than one occasion eat humble pie for my ignorance), especially as I have posted on another thread about "third party auditing".
My lack of knowledge raises the question "What exactly and who exactly are the "third party"?
I have quickly posted this and do not expect a response if there are other threads that explain this as I will do my research when time permits.
Cheers.
StaceyLee
My lack of knowledge raises the question "What exactly and who exactly are the "third party"?
I have quickly posted this and do not expect a response if there are other threads that explain this as I will do my research when time permits.
Cheers.
StaceyLee
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I think there is a far more noticeable aspect of slots being loosened/tightened and that is during freeroll tourneys, next time you play in one (and I will give some great examples to try with), sit back and watch the number one spot go from £$100 to £$80,000+k in as many seconds as your £$100 goes to £$0 in as many spins, no one does that better than the good old casinos over at Vegas Technology, a screenshot of one of their freerolls going on now....
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505K+ from a starting amount of $125, need I say more? lol.
Be interesting to see if the guy in 2nd place challenges the number one spot, worth a go when you have 172k+ in the bank
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Nothing like guys pissing up your back and telling you it`s raining
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505K+ from a starting amount of $125, need I say more? lol.
Be interesting to see if the guy in 2nd place challenges the number one spot, worth a go when you have 172k+ in the bank
.Nothing like guys pissing up your back and telling you it`s raining
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Why, Thanks, 4oak! I really do not consider myself anything close to being an expert!
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I laughed out loud on that one!
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You gotta admit, JP I do my best!!!
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It's probably not mentioned because it's the same software. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think any company issues two separate versions. MGS, Playtech, Wagerlogic, etc., software works the same whether it's play for fun or for real.
This is why I don't do fun play at any casino I am able to play at, because if I hit that good win in fun, I feel that I have missed my golden opportunity to have hit it in real play. My superstition.
As for the tourney's on some casinos, I don't know how in the heck any player can reach the amounts they do, it just boggles the mind when you know how tight the games can be. That is why I will never play them either, except for the one first time freebie.
As for the tourney's on some casinos, I don't know how in the heck any player can reach the amounts they do, it just boggles the mind when you know how tight the games can be. That is why I will never play them either, except for the one first time freebie.
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Interesting that we are so far in the opposite of thoughts on this. I practilly play ALL new games in fun mode for hours to see how it hits. If it doesn't I do not play it for real, since I trust enough to think that these games are supposed to play the same in fun or real.
My husband and I have gotten to where we will each take a casino, pick a few games each nite and "play" them in fun mode to see if they are "hitting" or not. This system has actually saved us a lot of money. When a slot starts hitting...I switch to real and within a few spins at some casinos the game continues it's same play which has resulted in a withdrawal most times.
When a slot is dead in fun mode, it is almost 100% dead in real mode. No need to play it IMO.
I played the Lucky Tiger one last nite in fun mode, caught a few bonus rounds, switched to real and caught a real beauty and made a withdrawal. So all in all, I believe playing in fun mode helps in recognizing if a game is hitting or not at most casinos. Some places you cannot hit in either mode...and this is why we do this testing....to keep from becoming so disheartened again.
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Pointed out for you.
Having looser games in fun mode breaches this, since fun mode is simply a form of advertisement designed to entice players to play for real. If the fun mode is NOT the same as real mode, then this is a misrepresentation in product demonstration. This is all covered by "marketing" standards, even though SPECIFIC types of misrepresentation are not given separate bullet points.
On top of all this, games that play differently in fun mode are a sign of "cheating software", showing that such a setting IS available, and we are supposed to trust the operator not to use it to rip off players.
This often causes CM to rogue the SOFTWARE, rather than individual casinos using it.
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I cannot say anything about 3-DICE, as I do not play there, my old crappy PC and the 3-DICE software don't like each other much.
I did play fun mode at MG casino's in the past, but after hitting some insane big ones at GoWild end of last year I quit doing that, just like Mavin1 says, I really felt like I got my 'big win', but could not cash it out!
That one was so crazy, did about 5 spins on Lady's Night, hit the freespins and got over 800x bet!
(a lady followed by 4x wild on payline one)
Stupid me did not quit, no, went to AJ Blonde and almost exactly the same thing happened, over 600x bet, this time after 20 or so spins!
And altough I really love a good conspiracy theory, I still think the games play the same in fun or real mode.
I've had crazy winning sessions in real mode also, and also terrible losingsessions in fun mode.
I just quit playing in fun mode after that GoWild win, because it sucks when you win and it sucks when you lose.
So funmode sucks, no matter what.
I did play fun mode at MG casino's in the past, but after hitting some insane big ones at GoWild end of last year I quit doing that, just like Mavin1 says, I really felt like I got my 'big win', but could not cash it out!
That one was so crazy, did about 5 spins on Lady's Night, hit the freespins and got over 800x bet!
(a lady followed by 4x wild on payline one)Stupid me did not quit, no, went to AJ Blonde and almost exactly the same thing happened, over 600x bet, this time after 20 or so spins!
And altough I really love a good conspiracy theory, I still think the games play the same in fun or real mode.
I've had crazy winning sessions in real mode also, and also terrible losingsessions in fun mode.
I just quit playing in fun mode after that GoWild win, because it sucks when you win and it sucks when you lose.
So funmode sucks, no matter what.
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Im not sure as well (I stand to be corrected) but the Data Samples that the Casino provides a 'Third Party' for auditing purposes is data from 'Real Play' ... Can a rep for any coasino confirm that samples for 'Fun Play' are submmited to determine consistency?
On the other hand, as you mention - Are the Real and Fun play both on different servers and independant of the other?
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