3Dice hunt.

[skiny]

Ever wonder how people get 3000 dollars in the hunt in 4 seconds? I'm fairly certain there are many people who pick a game that is played almost every hunt and plays it the entire hunt until a really high score is won and then waits for that challenge to be called for.

I'm told that the wins are checked but I know mine wasn't. I did this very thing by accident months ago and haven't participated in the hunt since. It's just too easy to cheat.

I no longer participate in 3Dice chat either. Which is why I disagree with vip tournaments being removed from the list to allow for this chat game. This is the only free tournament that supercedes vip tournaments. The vip tournaments are normally hourly which is perfect for normal people who can only sit in front of a casino for an hour or so each day. If you're hour or so happens to fall during a free hunt your vip for that day is gone.

 

[just play]

I never participate in chat, can't concentrate on gambling...lol... maybe that's why I never win a tourny.

Last night/yesterday I think, I was playing the Stick Shifter tourny and hit 1 or 2 free spins right away, then after that NONE!!!! I couldn't believe it!!! If that was real money I would have been pissed. Sometimes I am in first place in a tourny, and I know for sure someone will hit 1 million dollars and knock me off.

I have no idea about this hunt tourny, never played it, but I thought I heard something a few months ago about people cheating on that. Wasn't it posted here somewhere? Probably longer than a few months ago.

 

[LaurieJim]

Ever wonder how people get 3000 dollars in the hunt in 4 seconds? I'm fairly certain there are many people who pick a game that is played almost every hunt and plays it the entire hunt until a really high score is won and then waits for that challenge to be called for.

I'm told that the wins are checked but I know mine wasn't. I did this very thing by accident months ago and haven't participated in the hunt since. It's just too easy to cheat.

I no longer participate in 3Dice chat either. Which is why I disagree with vip tournaments being removed from the list to allow for this chat game. This is the only free tournament that supercedes vip tournaments. The vip tournaments are normally hourly which is perfect for normal people who can only sit in front of a casino for an hour or so each day. If you're hour or so happens to fall during a free hunt your vip for that day is gone.

I have tried them, but kinda hard to win as its always the same people in the top spots or am i the only one that has noticed that

The VIP games are so so but you also see the same ones winning time after time

I do like the Trivia Questions that are asked on chat, leaves it all open and you have to use your brain instead of pushing a button


Laurie

 

[skiny]

Someone told me tonight they were nice enough to finish the Hunt with highest win in Aztec. That was rather nice since it's common knowledge that since the last update half the casino can't play Aztec.

In fact it was brought up in public and private during the last hunt when Aztec was used as a challenge.

 

[jelsmith]

I agree.....the hunts are extremely difficult to win.....Ive tried them numerous times and won 1 time I think and that was a SS of the lobby If people have nothing better to do than sit and wait for challenge then thats just sad. Its true most of the time its the same winners....and most of the time they win twice (as thats the limit). I personally think it should be 1 and you're out but its not my game and I am merely suggesting it. I run a weekly Movie/TV trivia in chat on Mondays and I allow 1 win per person until the final question which is a video challenge. 3Dice is always very generous with prize money and I want to make sure I can spread it around to as many as possible and its true I have a lot of the same winners as well....but mine is think with your brain and not a tech challenge so there is no way to cheat.

 

[LaurieJim]

I agree.....the hunts are extremely difficult to win.....Ive tried them numerous times and won 1 time I think and that was a SS of the lobby If people have nothing better to do than sit and wait for challenge then thats just sad. Its true most of the time its the same winners....and most of the time they win twice (as thats the limit). I personally think it should be 1 and you're out but its not my game and I am merely suggesting it. I run a weekly Movie/TV trivia in chat on Mondays and I allow 1 win per person until the final question which is a video challenge. 3Dice is always very generous with prize money and I want to make sure I can spread it around to as many as possible and its true I have a lot of the same winners as well....but mine is think with your brain and not a tech challenge so there is no way to cheat.

And you have the best Trivia going imho


Laurie

 

[skiny]

And you have the best Trivia going imho


Laurie

And it doesn't take away a vip tournament for people who don't chat.

 

[silcnlayc]

lauriejim: I have tried them, but kinda hard to win as its always the same people in the top spots or am i the only one that has noticed that

Interesting ....


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[skiny]

The VIP games are so so but you also see the same ones winning time after time
Laurie

Yes it does seem like 15% of the players win 80% of the tournaments.

It's kind of a shame people weren't limited to how many they can win each day/week/month.

 

[LaurieJim]

Yes it does seem like 15% of the players win 80% of the tournaments.

It's kind of a shame people weren't limited to how many they can win each day/week/month.

Jel said twice and she is pretty much right on with that stuf at 3 Dice

Laurie

 

[stevohhh]

Yes it does seem like 15% of the players win 80% of the tournaments.

I noticed that too, but some people just want it more ! I usually play the all games tourney and can place no problem, but its too much of a grind to maintain it. hehe i get the feeling the others that place are roulette players too.

 

[bernynhel]

What a you guys been drinkin, whine? I went to check the completed VIP tourneys and stopped at 64, (including a sponsored tourney that paid the top 3 places - I counted the 3 in the money as 1 win each) about half the listing

msfilly and zap won 4 each

fullyclothed and uhdunno each won 3

poohbear164, darmento, Cristian, louiseff, MattnMena, flopfreddy, lustylynn, & Sapphire each won 2

35 others each won 1, including me

Of the multiple winners I think most would agree that these players invest a lot (read every waking moment, practically) of time playng tourneys @ 3Dice

And, yes, of the 6 posters to this thread, so far, none were winners in that sample, I am sorry to say - lay off the sauce, whydoncha!?

I never liked the gap in VIP tourneys to make way for the chat hunts. Back when Enzo was just a keno runner at Caesars, b4 the sex change, (jk), I could unnerstan why Mona/Trollet blacked out VIP tourneys when the average number of players in chat numbered about 30-40.

I will email Enzo to suggest that Mona's chat hunts no longer want for lack of entrants and would he consider, at least temporarily, not cutting VIP tourneys during chat hunts. I'll do that now and I would recommend that others who feel that they might posses a similar level greed to mine and an over-inflated sense of self-importance do the same, asap.

I don't like any chat quiz trivs - whatever - cuz yall type much faster n me - I'd prefer members who wanna MC their own versions of the Gong Show come up with casino based extracurricular games. Or pass out ball peen hammers for everyone who types faster n me to bash their typing fingers at least til they slow to my level.

I win something in about every third or so VIP hunt. Maybe twice in the same hunt once. In the free hunts, way back when, I think I was benched twice. For those who finally get lucky one hunt, cutting em off with one win aint cool since it could be months before they draw the long hunt straw, again. Just an opinion.

Peep's Aztec is effed up? That sucks!

 

[zap987]

There are two reasons the same people win a lot of the tournaments. I win a fair few, because I play a lot of them but also because a lot of people in them play far from optimal strategy and then of course have a smaller chance of winning.

 

[bryand]

Yes it does seem like 15% of the players win 80% of the tournaments.

It's kind of a shame people weren't limited to how many they can win each day/week/month.

I'm a fan of 3Dice but not the tourneys. The last one I played - about a year ago I think - I made the comment in chat that the same people play every tourney it seems. "The same people come here and whine about it" was the response. For some people, its their life.

 

[skiny]

What a you guys been drinkin, whine? I went to check the completed VIP tourneys and stopped at 64, (including a sponsored tourney that paid the top 3 places - I counted the 3 in the money as 1 win each) about half the listing

msfilly and zap won 4 each

fullyclothed and uhdunno each won 3

poohbear164, darmento, Cristian, louiseff, MattnMena, flopfreddy, lustylynn, & Sapphire each won 2

35 others each won 1, including me

Of the multiple winners I think most would agree that these players invest a lot (read every waking moment, practically) of time playng tourneys @ 3Dice

And, yes, of the 6 posters to this thread, so far, none were winners in that sample, I am sorry to say - lay off the sauce, whydoncha!?

I never liked the gap in VIP tourneys to make way for the chat hunts. Back when Enzo was just a keno runner at Caesars, b4 the sex change, (jk), I could unnerstan why Mona/Trollet blacked out VIP tourneys when the average number of players in chat numbered about 30-40.

I will email Enzo to suggest that Mona's chat hunts no longer want for lack of entrants and would he consider, at least temporarily, not cutting VIP tourneys during chat hunts. I'll do that now and I would recommend that others who feel that they might posses a similar level greed to mine and an over-inflated sense of self-importance do the same, asap.

I don't like any chat quiz trivs - whatever - cuz yall type much faster n me - I'd prefer members who wanna MC their own versions of the Gong Show come up with casino based extracurricular games. Or pass out ball peen hammers for everyone who types faster n me to bash their typing fingers at least til they slow to my level.

I win something in about every third or so VIP hunt. Maybe twice in the same hunt once. In the free hunts, way back when, I think I was benched twice. For those who finally get lucky one hunt, cutting em off with one win aint cool since it could be months before they draw the long hunt straw, again. Just an opinion.

Peep's Aztec is effed up? That sucks!

So you're saying that 12 people won half of the last 64 tournaments? How many people do you think are playing? I'm told anywhere from 50 to 100. And these are just the stats from the last week.

I know people who have never won anything in a vip or free hunt. And since I am no longer able to use 3dice chat the hunt and all chat based games are useless to me. And I still don't agree that this chat based hunt game should take away from the vip tournaments listed.

I'm not the only person asking these questions. I'm just the one asking them out loud.

 

[skiny]

There are two reasons the same people win a lot of the tournaments. I win a fair few, because I play a lot of them but also because a lot of people in them play far from optimal strategy and then of course have a smaller chance of winning.

What is the optimal strategy when playing a slot game starting with 2500 dollars for one hour?

 

[skiny]

I'm a fan of 3Dice but not the tourneys. The last one I played - about a year ago I think - I made the comment in chat that the same people play every tourney it seems. "The same people come here and whine about it" was the response. For some people, its their life.

When someone makes a complaint that people don't like they call it whining.
When someone makes a complaint that people agree with they call it discussing a problem.

 

[zap987]

What is the optimal strategy when playing a slot game starting with 2500 dollars for one hour?

It depends a bit. If it's peak balance and no gamble then there isn't much to do except start early, play max bet and keep spinning, but you would be surprised how many fail at just that.

If it's just highest balance then there is also the choice of when to keep playing and when to wait, a lot of people do bad choices here. Mostly comes from experience and knowing the games and what scores are likely to be enough to win. Another thing is once you have a good score and sit on it to update often so you can start playing in case someone passes you.

I think another big factor is timezone, the more people playing the smaller the chance of winning so if all you do is play a few tournaments during prime time it's hard to win.

Of course the smart players edge is also a lot bigger in most table game tournaments where many people play far from perfect strategy.

 

[skiny]

It depends a bit. If it's peak balance and no gamble then there isn't much to do except start early, play max bet and keep spinning, but you would be surprised how many fail at just that.

If it's just highest balance then there is also the choice of when to keep playing and when to wait, a lot of people do bad choices here. Mostly comes from experience and knowing the games and what scores are likely to be enough to win. Another thing is once you have a good score and sit on it to update often so you can start playing in case someone passes you.

I think another big factor is timezone, the more people playing the smaller the chance of winning so if all you do is play a few tournaments during prime time it's hard to win.

Of course the smart players edge is also a lot bigger in most table game tournaments where many people play far from perfect strategy.

Regardless of how you play a slot game, if you don't win more than your opponents you lose the tournament. If I (And others) can spin from start to finish and never see a free spin that pays more than 10x my wager and regular spins that lose more often than they win then I go broke. You cannot win if you're broke. (Unless the object is to reach zero and no matter how often I ask they refuse to have that tournament.)

 

[zap987]

And then you sign up for the next tournament...

 

[just play]

And then you sign up for the next tournament...

And???

 

[skiny]

And then you sign up for the next tournament...

So the real strategy is to spin and if you lose sign up for the next tournament? And this is how 10% of the players are winning 50% of the tournaments?

 

[skiny]

Maybe my Blackjack strategy is wrong too as I climb from my starting balance in the last half hour all the way up to the second place spot 1 hand out of first place with 5 minutes to go and then proceed to lose 13 hands in a row.

 

[skiny]

21 free spins with an 11x multiplier at a 15 dollar spin wins 1100 dollars. I hit this massive free spin bonus and finish the tournament with my starting balance. How can we compete against the group who consistantly win between 5000 and 10000 at the hour's end?

 

[Jasminebed]

I can go weeks without a tourney win, and then I might hit a rash of them. I'm there a lot.

I don't enjoy the blackjack tourneys, but I do know that you don't play optimal strategy to win them. Same is true for the video poker tourneys and reddog.

I don't have the fastest computer, so I don't get as many spins which is a disadvantage for peak balance.

I do pretty well in the chat games...I am a fast typist (been doing it forty years), and I've been a trivia buff since before trivial pursuit.

You may have a point about the VIPs not being cancelled for the Mona hunts. We've always been told that the extra games are just that, an extra bonus.

As for cheating during the hunts, perhaps there are some that do, but I do know that for a roulette challenge for example that 70 or more people betting it all on 2, someone will hit it in the first spin or two. Last time I got three spins in before it went!

Also, for the tourneys when gamble is allowed...optimal strategy is to gamble every win I've been told.

I enjoy that there is such a wide variety of tournaments at 3Dice. I know I win more than some people, but I do play a lot of them. That's part of it, just having the time to play. When I was really ill, the computer and the tv were pretty much my only entertainment, and a losing day playing tourneys at 3Dice was more fun than most TV IMO.

 

[zap987]

So the real strategy is to spin and if you lose sign up for the next tournament? And this is how 10% of the players are winning 50% of the tournaments?

Because they play a lot of tournaments.

Maybe my Blackjack strategy is wrong too as I climb from my starting balance in the last half hour all the way up to the second place spot 1 hand out of first place with 5 minutes to go and then proceed to lose 13 hands in a row.

Yes, it happens and it's quite frustrating. There are however some things you can do to minimize the risk of this happening when you only need to win a little bit more to take the lead.

21 free spins with an 11x multiplier at a 15 dollar spin wins 1100 dollars. I hit this massive free spin bonus and finish the tournament with my starting balance. How can we compete against the group who consistantly win between 5000 and 10000 at the hour's end?

Noone consistently hits 5000+ wins, but the more you try the more you win.

Not sure why I bother, seems you are more interested in ranting than seeing what you could do to increase your chances of winning.

 

[bernynhel]

So you're saying that 12 people won half of the last 64 tournaments? How many people do you think are playing? I'm told anywhere from 50 to 100. And these are just the stats from the last week.

I know people who have never won anything in a vip or free hunt. And since I am no longer able to use 3dice chat the hunt and all chat based games are useless to me. And I still don't agree that this chat based hunt game should take away from the vip tournaments listed.

I'm not the only person asking these questions. I'm just the one asking them out loud.

You use my quote so why not read it? I said a LOT about not liking the VIP tourneys being blacked out for chat hunts.

And I never said 12 people won half of the last 64 tourneys. You, did, (just in the form of a question to me asking if I had said it). You deduced that, correctly, from what I said. You could have also deduced from the info in my post that 43 players won 51 of the last 64 tourneys but noooooooooooooooooooooo cuz you're your still drinking whine, aren't you?

And I wrote Enzo asking to leave the VIP tourneys alone during chat hunts to see how it goes and hope others did too- not because I'm afraid a standing out but because I want the VIP tourneys left the f alone during chat hunts.

 

[bernynhel]

When someone makes a complaint that people don't like they call it whining.
When someone makes a complaint that people agree with they call it discussing a problem.

When someone fabricates stats to make the odds against them appear to be way higher than what is reality - that's whining.

So the real strategy is to spin and if you lose sign up for the next tournament? And this is how 10% of the players are winning 50% of the tournaments?

10% of the players aren't winning 50% of the tourneys.
20% of the players are winning 30% of the tourneys - big difference.

21 free spins with an 11x multiplier at a 15 dollar spin wins 1100 dollars. I hit this massive free spin bonus and finish the tournament with my starting balance. How can we compete against the group who consistantly win between 5000 and 10000 at the hour's end?

No such group exists.

And some people wager $300 eight times and $100 once in every Red Dog tourney they have ever entered when the starting bankroll is only $2,500 and have never one one single gd'd Red Dog tourney at 3Dice in the entire 16 years they've been playing there! Should they have? WTF knows?! What was my point? F if I know! lol Many people will say, "Well I played like such n such in those tourneys and I bet this much when in these tourneys...and I still haven't won yet, gawdammit!" - I guess....if they say so.....I didn't watch them play, did you?....who knows what they did or why? They're probably lying about how they really played, anyway, cuz the truth would just be way to embarassing.

You're OK, skiny!

But...

I didn't spend all that time going thru 64 fkn tourneys to gather that data so anyone could just pretend that my findings magically match the preconceived, arbitrary numbers they had in their heads before any facts were gathered. Nyah!

 

[skiny]

When someone fabricates stats to make the odds against them appear to be way higher than what is reality - that's whining.

I don't fabricate anything and it seems a little odd to me that 3Dice is the only place that every complaint is considered whining. (Depending who's saying it.)

10% of the players aren't winning 50% of the tourneys.
20% of the players are winning 30% of the tourneys - big difference.

3 people from your list won one of the last 12 tournaments each. Barring that I changed the number to 15% which is 12 people out of roughly 80 playing and 30 out of 64 is pretty close to 50%

I didn't spend all that time going thru 64 fkn tourneys to gather that data so anyone could just pretend that my findings magically match the preconceived, arbitrary numbers they had in their heads before any facts were gathered. Nyah!

I originally said 10% winning 50% That's a pretty damn close guess. Now you go back as far as you like and you'll find the statistics are pretty much the same.

By the way, I've been asking support why this hunt removes a vip tourney and some of them have been agreeing with me and say they have no idea why. I'm told it was brought to management's attention quite some time ago but everything remains the same.

And yes people do cheat. I have a bitchin' fast computer and it doesn't matter how fast I click hint/apply it's impossible to win a solitaire game in 10 seconds. I've tried. I've tried it with an autoclicker clicking at 50 times per second. It's not possible.

And there is no reason why such a small group of players should be winning such a large portion of the tournaments. If it happened once in a while it wouldn't be a big deal but everyone I've talked to in private agree that it happens every week, every month.

It's not that difficult to cap a player's weekly or monthly tournament wins. We're only allowed 2 wins during the hunt. We used to be limited to how many trivia wins we were allowed and then have to sit out when they were played regularly, we are only allowed one movie trivia win, Bunko's game limits the amount of winners but a huge portion of the vip tournaments still goes to a tiny portion of the players.

 

[bernynhel]

...seems a little odd to me that 3Dice is the only place that every complaint is considered whining...

First of all, 3Dice is NOT the only place every complaint is considered whining. Not every complaint made at 3Dice is even accused of being whining by anyone except you. Er, and me when you complain. However, every complaint you make about 3Dice is whining. Even the above quote, "...seems a little odd to me that 3Dice is the only place that every complaint is considered whining..." is whining.

I don't fabricate anything...3 people from your list won one of the last 12 tournaments each...out of 64 is pretty close to 50%...I originally said 10% winning 50% That's a pretty damn close guess. Now you go back as far as you like and...you'll find the statistics are pretty...

Why do you follow "I don't fabricate anything"... with total fabrications?

I'll say it again:

Stating the above as finite when the data also proves that 20% of players win 30% of tournaments, makes everything in the above quote a total fabrication!

Therefore: Anyone who skews data with bias while omitting other perspectives of the same data for being less dramatic and then uses that partial, limited view to verify their complaint that they don't win their fair share of 3Dice tournaments is a whiner!

You got no argument for anyone unfairly winning more than their fair share of VIP tourneys.

Either they live at 3Dice, are very lucky, are more determined or the players they're beating are just total lames. Take yer pick.

And yes people do cheat. I have a bitchin' fast computer and it doesn't matter how fast I click hint/apply it's impossible to win a solitaire game in 10 seconds. I've tried. I've tried it with an autoclicker clicking at 50 times per second. It's not possible.

However - hunt is different! A solitaire screenshot in 10 seconds is impossible! I'm going to use a stopwatch to time how long the winning solitaire screenshot is submitted from the beginning of the next 64 chat hunt 1st screenshot of a winning solitaire hand challenges...............gotcha!

LOL You're totally right - bigtime BS in chat hunts if what you say is true - and when have I ever had any reason to doubt you, skiny?

...And there is no reason why such a small group of players should be winning such a large portion of the tournaments. If it happened once in a while it wouldn't be a big deal but everyone I've talked to in private agree that it happens every week, every month...

Again, total BS so moot point - whine, whine, whine...

...By the way, I've been asking support why this hunt removes a VIP tourney and some of them have been agreeing with me and say they have no idea why. I'm told it was brought to management's attention quite some time ago but everything remains the same....

Sure, because "mentioning it to support" just to be told "it was brought to management's attention" never does dick!! By the way.

Want something done? You and 5 of your friends tell it to Enzo @ [email protected]. Just say that times have changed, there's zillions of players in chat now compared to way back when and there's no need to black out VIP tourneys to get enough players to play in the chat hunts to make Mona happy and feel loved. At least please try a few and see what happens. Just be nice and say cuz chat hunts suck and you'd just as soon blow every one off for a VIP if they hadn't been snatched away from you! Tell each a your 5 friends to get 5 of their friends to do the same. I did. I mean, I don't have any friends, or nuthin' but if I did.... boy oh boy!

Disclaimer: Just so readers unnerstan that all of the above was done for the comedy, mostly 'fore you go tattle on me fer bein mean or anything. -bernynhel

 

[skiny]

I'll say it again:

Stating the above as finite when the data also proves that 20% of players win 30% of tournaments, makes everything in the above quote a total fabrication!

Therefore: Anyone who skews data with bias while omitting other perspectives of the same data for being less dramatic and then uses that partial, limited view to verify their complaint that they don't win their fair share of 3Dice tournaments is a whiner!

You got no argument for anyone unfairly winning more than their fair share of VIP tourneys.

Either they live at 3Dice, are very lucky, are more determined or the players they're beating are just total lames. Take yer pick.

I'll say it again. Making a valid complaint is only considered whining to the people who don't want to hear it. (Usually the people who disagree or deny it.)

Your numbers. 12 people winning 30 out of 64 tournaments. 3Dice tells me average 80 people in a tournament.

I'm really not sure how you do math but 30 out of 64 is 46.9% I rounded it to 50% (Sue me.) 12 people out of 80 is 15% That's an exact number. If you like you can multiply the 80 people by the amount of tournaments (64) but then you also have to multiply the winners by the amount of tournaments unless you knew exactly how many tournaments they played in. And if you did know that these 12 people only played in 30 or 40 of these tournaments that would make the end result even worse, not better.

The fact remains that by your numbers 15% of the players won (almost) 50% of the tournaments.

If you have a different way of displaying ratios and finding averages please show me.

 

[Jasminebed]

There is always more ways to look at stats than one way.

For ease of calculation... Lets say there were 64 players, the SAME 64 players for all 64 games. I am one of these players. Chances are I would win one tourney if all tournaments solely relied on peak balance and all players had identical machines and internet connections. None of us left to go pee, make a sandwich, give up when we are behind, feed the dog, answer our phones or watch hockey. But there is only a CHANCE I would win one tournament, just like a bonus round hitting on average once every 116 spins, it's no guarantee. In fact, I'd be more inclined to question the integrity of the tournaments if every player won exactly one tournament.

And not all tournaments are equal. Some favour players with faster machines, some involve money management and strategy, and all involve an element of luck.

The key to winning a lot of tournaments is to play a lot of tournaments. Some players have more time than others and more interest in playing tournaments. Many of the VIPs cannot be bothered spending an hour trying to win 10 with a 10xWR. Some people just play their favourite tournaments.

Most of the players at 3Dice are very nice and helpful, and will tell new members how to get the really high scores in roulette and sicbo, that you split 20 on a BJ tournament, etc.

VIPs enjoy the right to play the VIP tourneys for a very low deposit monthly and I don't think they should be limited in any way as to the number allowed per player per month, day, week or year. It's a little like a large apartment complex having a gym which really everyone pays for but not everyone uses, or parking included even if you don't have a car.

BTW berny...was I one of the players that got one in your sample? I've had a bad run lately with the tournaments, but I've had stretches where my luck runs the other way too.

 

[denamoutz]

It would not benefit 3dice to limit wins to VIP's, i don't care if the same person wins a lot of the tournaments, i have the same chance as anyone else playing them. I have never won on a deposit at 3dice, but i do win tournaments every once in a while, if not for the tournaments i would never deposit at least i feel that when i throw away 50 dollars a month, i can at least have a chance of getting some of it back

 

[skiny]

There is always more ways to look at stats than one way.

For ease of calculation... Lets say there were 64 players, the SAME 64 players for all 64 games. I am one of these players. Chances are I would win one tourney if all tournaments solely relied on peak balance and all players had identical machines and internet connections. None of us left to go pee, make a sandwich, give up when we are behind, feed the dog, answer our phones or watch hockey. But there is only a CHANCE I would win one tournament, just like a bonus round hitting on average once every 116 spins, it's no guarantee. In fact, I'd be more inclined to question the integrity of the tournaments if every player won exactly one tournament.

And not all tournaments are equal. Some favour players with faster machines, some involve money management and strategy, and all involve an element of luck.

The key to winning a lot of tournaments is to play a lot of tournaments. Some players have more time than others and more interest in playing tournaments. Many of the VIPs cannot be bothered spending an hour trying to win 10 with a 10xWR. Some people just play their favourite tournaments.

Most of the players at 3Dice are very nice and helpful, and will tell new members how to get the really high scores in roulette and sicbo, that you split 20 on a BJ tournament, etc.

VIPs enjoy the right to play the VIP tourneys for a very low deposit monthly and I don't think they should be limited in any way as to the number allowed per player per month, day, week or year. It's a little like a large apartment complex having a gym which really everyone pays for but not everyone uses, or parking included even if you don't have a car.

BTW berny...was I one of the players that got one in your sample? I've had a bad run lately with the tournaments, but I've had stretches where my luck runs the other way too.

Fast internet connections shouldn't really make any differnce since someone always manages to double their starting balance in the first 10 minutes. Most people leave the games on autospin while they're playing, specially if they get up to walk away for some reason. Highest balance or highest peak balance only makes a difference if you actually get over your starting balance.

I probably average about one tournament win for every 140 to 160 tournaments I play. Yet I (and others) consistantly see a small group of names taking turns in the top of almost every tournament.

Strategy can be used as an excuse but the reality is no matter what game you're playing, if you get very few winning hands, spins, rolls, you're going to go broke. Strategy or not.

And if seeing something as a problem or discussing a fact from a negative standpoint is whining then so be it but that puts most every discussion in this forum in the catagory of whining.

Now the reason I only mention tournament play and not real money play is because if I lost this bad, this consistantly playing for real money I would have uninstalled this casino a year ago. To put things in perspective, if I play 160 tournaments and start with 2500 dollars, that's 400,000 dollars I've played with and out of those 160 pretend deposits of 2500 dollars I'm lucky if I don't go broke in the first half hour about 70% of the time and I might have more than my starting balance at the end of an hour maybe 10% of the time and when I finally do actually win a tournament I might have won 6000 to 10000 dollars. (4x starting balance max.) That's once in 160 deposits.

Sure I'm playing max bet but if we divide that by 50 to be more realistic and say I'm depositing 50 dollars, my wagers would be somewhere in the range of 1/50th too, ie 1 or 2 coins per line rather than 50 or 60 coins per line. Which is basically what I do and I'm certainly not losing my deposit in the first half hour 120 or 130 out of 160 deposits and I'm not cashing out only once in 160 deposits.

I've also read other people in chat saying they do much better playing for real money than in tournaments.

 

[3Dice]

Hi Guys,

It's hard to make a representative math sample, If I have some more time I'll see what I can do with the actual data.

First let me correct one of the numbers mentioned earlier in this thread. The average VIP tournament at 3Dice has about 30 players in it. (Don't know where you got the 80 skiny, but support must have been referring to either the free-for-all tournaments or the trivia's or hunts.. ).

One of the biggest factors ofcourse is how many tourney's a player participates in .. obviously someone who plays twice as much tourney's should expect to win twice as often. But for the sake of the argument lets look at a setup where we do 64 tourney's with 30 players in them. Lets assume they're all playing to win so they all participate in each of those 64 tourney's. Lets also assume they all play the same strategy and so their odds of winning a single tournament are 1/30. Given those parameters .. here's how the maths work out ..

64 tourney's
30 players on the average VIP tourney

odds to win one tourney : 1/30 = 3.33%
odds to lose one tourney : 29/30 = 96.66%

odds to lose 64 tourneys         : (29/30)^64 = 11.42%
odds to win one or more          : (100%   - (29/30)^64) = 88.58%
odds to win two or more tourneys : (88.58% - 64*(1/30)*(29/30)^63) = 63.37%
odds to win three or more        : (63.37% - 2016*(1/30)^2*(29/30)^62) = 35.99%
odds to win four or more         : (35.99% - 41664*(1/30)^3*(29/30)^61) = 16.47% 
odds to win five or more         : (16.47% - 635376*(1/30)^4*(29/30)^60) = 6.20%
odds to win six or more          : (6.20%  - 7624512*(1/30)^5*(29/30)^59) = 1.95%

odds exactly 0 = 11.42%
odds exactly 1 = 25.21%
odds exactly 2 = 27.38%
odds exactly 3 = 19.52%
odds exactly 4 = 10.27%
odds exactly 5 = 4.25%

so 64 tournaments with 30 participants expected outcome is 

0.585 players to win 6 or more tourneys = 6*0.585 = 3.51
1.275 players to win 5 tourneys         = 5*1.275 = 6.375
3.081 players to win 4 tourneys         = 4*3.081 = 12.324
5.856 players to win 3 tourneys         = 3*5.856 = 17.568
8.214 players to win 2 tourneys         = 2*8.214 = 16.428
7.563 players to win 1 tourney          = 1*7.563 = 7.563
3.426 players to never win.             =           0
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30.0  players                           with        64 tourneys.

In conclusion, if the sample bernyn studied only had 2 people that won 4 tourney's, then that is below standard expectations.

Skiny, with perfectly random standard distributed wins, you should expect that

1.95 % of the players wins 5.4% of the tourneys
6.2 % of the players wins 15.4% of the tourneys
16.47 % of the players wins 34.70% of the tourneys
35.99 % of the players wins 62.15% of the tourneys

that last number is 11 people winning 40 tourneys .. so bernyn's sample where 12 people won 30 tourneys .. again even below expectations ..

The sample bernyn described could not be more normal. I know this kind of math isn't that easy to do, but it does provide a lot of insight.

Kindest regards,

Enzo

 

[skiny]

The only kind of math that's hard for me to do is when I ask why I can only win 1 out of 100 tournaments I'm told it's because there are over 80 people playing them and then when I ask how several people are able to win 3 or 4 in 3 days I'm told it's because there are only 30 people playing them.

 

[denamoutz]

you just won the reddog tournament the other day, so no more complaining you never win

 

[skiny]

you just won the reddog tournament the other day, so no more complaining you never win

I never once said I never win. Some people win even less than I do. I'm not sure how often they play. I could say I rarely win for the amount of tournaments I play. But I'm not only talking about myself. My observation which others agree with is that a small percentage of players win a large percentage of games.

As for the hunt I'm told that no VIP is omitted because the hunt was around when there were a lot fewer touraments and none was ever put on during the hunt.

Well, they've been hourly since I joined the casino. And times change. There are a lot more people playing the tournaments and a lot more people in chat now than there used to be too. Not everyone enjoys the hunt. Why it's such a big deal to have a VIP tournament during the hunt is beyond me. There are enough little prizes given out in chat for answering questions and playing chat based games. Is it really such a big deal to put a ten dollar VIP during the hunt for people who don't care to play games in chat?

Maybe too many people would play the VIP instead of the hunt?

 

[SlotKing]

Think about it this way.

In the hunts, there are several challenges that the host (99.9% of the time, Mona) will give out. Sometimes, there are several challenges within the span of just a few minutes. Some are spread out over a certain period of time.

Each challenge has a prize associated with it. VIP tourneys have exactly one prize (most of the time).

If you average 12 challenges per hunt, at an average of 5 TC's per prize, plus a $10 prize, that is $70 in value being handed out for nothing but a few clicks.

I know it may sound like a trivial amount, but add it up.

$70 in value at 3 hunts/week: $210 in value.

$240 in value on a VIP hunt (2 hours, 24 challenges, $10/10TC value each)
========================================================
$310 in value being handed out each week from just hunts.

$310 x 52 = $16,120 in free money and tourney credits being handed out per year for the hunts.

Is $2,100 in missed tourneys (one tourney per hunt [2 in VIP hunts], 5 tourneys total) really something to complain about when the casino basically hands over $16,000+ of free credits per year? I realize most of it may be TC's, but still... One tourney per hunt isn't really all that much to be screaming over (lack of a better word other than crying/whining/moaning/bitching/etc.).

Think of when the chat parties were happening. Those EASILY cost the casino as much as 6-8 TIMES what Mona gives away. Those stopped because some players just could not grasp the concept that if you are given something for free, not to take advantage of it, on top of all the whining and moaning that had to be dealt with.

I don't personally believe that giving up one tourney per hunt is something to get all worked up about. Find something else to do for the hour. Watch some TV. Read a book. Exercise.

My personal opinion. Agree or disagree, it's your choice. I know we all need to vent, but $10 isn't worth going off on someone over.

 

[MRGREENHEAD]

Really?

Man I cant believe the complaining about 3 dice sometimes. If they did not do tournaments I guess they would not be complained about, but because they do free tournaments all day every day there are complaints. I play 3dice often as well as RTG and Rival. When I go broke I can always find a tourney at 3dice. Do I when a lot? No but I have won a few. (I don't play many tourneys either). All of the other casinos I am done when my money runs out I am done. Please think about it before you complain. 3 dice goes above and beyond in taking care of the players. If it were me and I had to come on here and defend myself about the free money I was giving away and the fun I was trying to provide I would think it is easier just not to do it. Thanks from me 3dice. Myself and many others do appreciate the things you do for us. Just my opinion. I really do not want to offend anyone.

 

[denamoutz]

right on mrgreenhead I for one am thankful for anything i can get from 3dice:notworthy I love that when i get bored there is always something for me to do there, whether free tournies or hunts! My gosh its only 10.00, if i don't win i have at least 23 more vip tournies that day to try

 

[bernynhel]

The only kind of math that's hard for me to do is when I ask why I can only win 1 out of 100 tournaments I'm told it's because there are over 80 people playing them and then when I ask how several people are able to win 3 or 4 in 3 days I'm told it's because there are only 30 people playing them.

Jeez, I was gonna post my math for you but I gotta figure you could run outta steam here pretty soon - but if you don't - I'm am standing by, bud.

 

[skiny]

Think about it this way.

In the hunts, there are several challenges that the host (99.9% of the time, Mona) will give out. Sometimes, there are several challenges within the span of just a few minutes. Some are spread out over a certain period of time.

Each challenge has a prize associated with it. VIP tourneys have exactly one prize (most of the time).

If you average 12 challenges per hunt, at an average of 5 TC's per prize, plus a $10 prize, that is $70 in value being handed out for nothing but a few clicks.

I know it may sound like a trivial amount, but add it up.

$70 in value at 3 hunts/week: $210 in value.

$240 in value on a VIP hunt (2 hours, 24 challenges, $10/10TC value each)
========================================================
$310 in value being handed out each week from just hunts.

$310 x 52 = $16,120 in free money and tourney credits being handed out per year for the hunts.

Is $2,100 in missed tourneys (one tourney per hunt [2 in VIP hunts], 5 tourneys total) really something to complain about when the casino basically hands over $16,000+ of free credits per year? I realize most of it may be TC's, but still... One tourney per hunt isn't really all that much to be screaming over (lack of a better word other than crying/whining/moaning/bitching/etc.).

Think of when the chat parties were happening. Those EASILY cost the casino as much as 6-8 TIMES what Mona gives away. Those stopped because some players just could not grasp the concept that if you are given something for free, not to take advantage of it, on top of all the whining and moaning that had to be dealt with.

I don't personally believe that giving up one tourney per hunt is something to get all worked up about. Find something else to do for the hour. Watch some TV. Read a book. Exercise.

My personal opinion. Agree or disagree, it's your choice. I know we all need to vent, but $10 isn't worth going off on someone over.

Now take one $10 dollar prize from the hunt and put it into a VIP tournament at the same time and what does it cost the casino? I could win 20 dollars in the hunt if I win 2 challenges. In a regular vip tournament I could win one 10 dollar prize. I'm not asking to win more. I'm asking to win less.

Man I cant believe the complaining about 3 dice sometimes. If they did not do tournaments I guess they would not be complained about, but because they do free tournaments all day every day there are complaints. I play 3dice often as well as RTG and Rival. When I go broke I can always find a tourney at 3dice. Do I when a lot? No but I have won a few. (I don't play many tourneys either). All of the other casinos I am done when my money runs out I am done. Please think about it before you complain. 3 dice goes above and beyond in taking care of the players. If it were me and I had to come on here and defend myself about the free money I was giving away and the fun I was trying to provide I would think it is easier just not to do it. Thanks from me 3dice. Myself and many others do appreciate the things you do for us. Just my opinion. I really do not want to offend anyone.

So you're saying that if people don't want to participate in the hunt they shouldn't say so? Or 3Dice should throw it's arms up and say we're cancelling all the tournaments which happens to be the reason many people deposit here in the first place because some people would rather do a regular vip tournament than particpate in the hunt? Keep in mind that many people don't bother with the hunt because (for example) they can't win a game of solitaire in 10 seconds.

Jeez, I was gonna post my math for you but I gotta figure you could run outta steam here pretty soon - but if you don't - I'm am standing by, bud.

Post whatever you like. You know I never run out of steam. (Or answers.)

 

[bernynhel]

OK no posts @ skiny for me. This @ everybody.VIP tourneys were not put on hold during Mona's Hunts for the house to save $10-20 in prize money, they were put on hold cuz Mona didn't want to waste her time conducting the tourneys for 3 people.

Has anyone else written to request no break in VIP tourney schedules during chat hunts?

It didn't occur to me before but I can understand 3Dice not scheduling VIP tournaments during VIP Chat Hunts and am going to email stressing that I'm only suggesting scheduling VIP tournaments through the free chat hunts.

 

[jelsmith]

OK no posts @ skiny for me. This @ everybody.VIP tourneys were not put on hold during Mona's Hunts for the house to save $10-20 in prize money, they were put on hold cuz Mona didn't want to waste her time conducting the tourneys for 3 people.

Has anyone else written to request no break in VIP tourney schedules during chat hunts?

It didn't occur to me before but I can understand 3Dice not scheduling VIP tournaments during VIP Chat Hunts and am going to email stressing that I'm only suggesting scheduling VIP tournaments through the free chat hunts.

As far as I have ever seen they do have VIP tourneys during free chat games just not hunts. I know for sure they go on when I host Movie/TV trivia.

 

[skiny]

OK no posts @ skiny for me. This @ everybody.VIP tourneys were not put on hold during Mona's Hunts for the house to save $10-20 in prize money, they were put on hold cuz Mona didn't want to waste her time conducting the tourneys for 3 people.

I'm sure more than 3 people would prefer to participate in the hunt but a majority would probably prefer just to play a regular vip tournament.

As far as I have ever seen they do have VIP tourneys during free chat games just not hunts. I know for sure they go on when I host Movie/TV trivia.

All chat based games except the hunt have vip tournaments scheduled at the same time.

 

[Cristian]

I won almost everytime during mona`s hunt , so i can`t complain .Also i won from other chat games / trivia . I dont care if anybody is cheating in a way or another during the hunt . Someone could stay in solitaire and finish a game , waiting for that challenge to show up . I really really don't care . Almost every time someone gets a big line hit that seems to be "preset" . I also noticed that , and i still don't care . You know why ? because playing so many times , i got boosted the same way . Out of nowhere poof a 3000 line win .
Vip tourneys um ... lets say this :
1. I noticed that newer players get higher scores , bonus rounds more frequently .
2. I have the feeling im beeing kept back when playing card games ( blackjack , red dog ) , like the software is trying to protect the current leader . I get to a point , then lose all my balance , losing 10-15 games in a row sometimes , doesn't matter how i bet , when i bet , how much i bet .
There is no such thing as strategy . I watched others playing slot games , everybody bets max . You could play by the book , it doesnt really matter .
3. I dont get mad when im losing a tourney , im get frustrated when i can't evern get close to winning . That happens alot .
Bottom line , i dont care how they work .. you can win more tourneys by playing more , and thats it .

Buy-ins are a completely different story . Yes i see the same names winning , and i don`t mind that . Why i can`t understand is why X gets big wins during freespins ( slots ) everytime ( what i call "boosters " and i don`t . Sometimes i have the feeling that i will lose no matter how i play , how i bet , what i play . I registered @ alot of buy-in tourneys and every time i see the same pattern ( ex: lose 1000 @ slots / win 500 back during freespins ,win a little up to a value , then straight to 0 no matter how/what i play . Some just get big wins , other get a kick in the butt . Yes im on the losing side . And still , i keep playing ... why ? You can`t actually win , if you don't play . If someone would ask me : do you think someone is somehow beeing advantaged in a way or another @ these tournaments , i would say YES , but everybody gets "advantaged " eventually . Just remember that your luck is generated by a software , so there is not much skill involved in this . Ain`t rocket science , either you win or you dont . You could win 3 tourneys / day , you could lose 3 days in a row . Everybody has to win something , and they eventually do . How ? playing more ...

This post may look rubbish , but its just my point of view / with all the experience I have gathered playing @ 3dice / last 2 months . Win some , lose some . reading your first post , looks like you gave up because you can`t win . Ha , well i've been there , and got over it .

 

[skiny]

This post may look rubbish , but its just my point of view / with all the experience I have gathered playing @ 3dice / last 2 months . Win some , lose some . reading your first post , looks like you gave up because you can`t win . Ha , well i've been there , and got over it .

I never give up. I never surrender. I never kneel down and I never walk away. (I do however get divorced.)

I see the same thing. T$12500 in Sic Bo with 10 minutes left. Someone jumps over me. (It happens.) With 7 minutes left I am broke.

41 rolls later, out of 120 dice I think I hit a 5 four times. Weird. The odds of hitting a 5 on a single die are 1 in 6. Not 1 in 30.

3dice quickie. All games, 1000 dollar start and I can't beat a 10 card spread in Red Dog 3 hands in a row. (1 of them was an 11 card spread.)

Roulette, 29 out of 37 numbers covered and one of the remaining 8 comes up 5 out of 7 spins.

This is basically how 99% of my tournaments go but even discussing it is whining. Many other people see the same thing but very few speak of it out loud. Specially at 3Dice chat. They've seen how the 3Dice mob pounces when you say something negative. Unless of course you're part of the mob. They don't pounce on each other.

 

[bernynhel]

I never give up. I never surrender. I never kneel down and I never walk away. (I do however get divorced.)

Just bust out.

I see the same thing. T$12500 in Sic Bo with 10 minutes left. Someone jumps over me. (It happens.) With 7 minutes left I am broke.

A fluke.

41 rolls later, out of 120 dice I think I hit a 5 four times. Weird. The odds of hitting a 5 on a single die are 1 in 6. Not 1 in 30.

Then you were very, very lucky! WTG!

3dice quickie. All games, 1000 dollar start and I can't beat a 10 card spread in Red Dog 3 hands in a row. (1 of them was an 11 card spread.)

The magic of 3Dice card game dealers!

Roulette, 29 out of 37 numbers covered and one of the remaining 8 comes up 5 out of 7 spins.

Shoulda covered 30 numbers, I always say!

This is basically how 99% of my tournaments go but even discussing it is whining. Many other people see the same thing but very few speak of it out loud. Specially at 3Dice chat. They've seen how the 3Dice mob pounces when you say something negative. Unless of course you're part of the mob. They don't pounce on each other.

When did you ever say anything negative about 3Dice? And who says your whining? Point 'emn out! Why I oughtta...

 

[skiny]

If I post two negatives does it become a positive?