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Discussion in 'Online Casinos' started by Rusty, Jan 3, 2008.

    Jan 3, 2008
  1. Rusty

    Rusty Banned User - repetitive flaming

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    Haunted Casino theme?

    They must have every corrupt/rogue RTG Casino ever squeezed out through the sphincter of Satan! :eek:

    and not an accredited one in sight :oops:

    You will certainly feel haunted for a long time if you use this site for your gaming needs.:eek2:

    ps
    sorry they have Geisha lounge and king solomons listed which I think are in the accredited list somehow.
    Did you know though that king solomons now have a hidden disclaimer for their sign up bonus?

    PLEASE NOTE: Players from Ireland, Scotland and United Kingdom will unfortunately no longer be able to claim the Welcome offers until further notice
     
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  2. Jan 4, 2008
  3. jetset

    jetset Ueber Meister CAG

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    Wow - that really is a rogues gallery!

    You can read all about this outfit here: You must register/login in order to see the link.

    And according to the following (see bold para) its part of a network from South Africa:

    Get Ready for the Big Gambling Affiliate Takeover

    By Kate Kaye, The ClickZ Network, Oct 13, 2006

    Affiliate marketing drives the online gambling space. Now that the industry is dealing with recent legislation outlawing U.S. Web gambling transactions, some gambling affiliates are searching for new markets to sink their teeth into. As a result, some say mainstream affiliate marketers are in for a rude awakening.

    "I am extremely worried about this ban that Congress will put on online gaming," wrote an affiliate webmaster in a post to the Gambling Portal Webmasters Association forum earlier this month. "We now have to turn our attention to the European market but one can only do so little marketing in Europe!" continued the concerned affiliate under the Net nom de plume Tropics.

    "A lot of affiliates are going to bail," said Marc Lesnick, operator of the Casino Affiliate Convention conference series. "They want to create their own niche markets," he added, suggesting segments such as men's dress shirts.

    Online gambling affiliates are accustomed to unrelenting SEO competition in the high-stakes game of driving traffic to online poker and casino sites. They are so skilled at what they do, believes Lesnick, "There's going to be a day of reckoning on the retail market; there will be a huge domino effect in affiliate marketing."

    Greg Boser, search engine marketing consultant at WebGuerrilla, may not employ such biblical terminology, but he, too, thinks an influx of gambling talent into more mainstream markets could pose a threat. "They know where the [search engine] algorithmic holes are you can drive a truck through," he said. "In these other markets it'll be like shooting fish in a barrel."

    An invasion of gambling affiliates could drown out affiliates in other markets because of shear volume, according to Heather Gartland, director of online gambling affiliate operation Topboss Limited. "It is going to have an adverse effect on the other affiliates already in the other markets as they will be too swamped," she told ClickZ News. "As my company is based in South Africa I can still fall back on the South African Online Casinos, but the USA accounts for roughly 40 [percent] of our income. We are looking at the European and British markets now, as we have no choice."

    It won't be so easy for affiliates like Gartland to simply start partnering with new gambling sites, however. Because many programs are based on a revenue share model rather than the cost-per-action models behind other affiliate programs, affiliates rely on the pool of players they've built up over time. They receive a portion of the revenue generated by the individual players who originally arrived on partner gambling sites through their affiliate sites. So, even if they have successful sites, said WebGuerrilla's Boser, "No matter where they go, they're starting over from scratch even though they have traffic."

    Shawn Collins, co-founder of the Affiliate Summit conference series expects some gambling affiliates "to go for markets similar in scope to what they're doing," he said. That might mean entering financial markets like the insurance or mortgage affiliate industries. Affiliates in more mainstream markets, said Collins, are concerned about a gambling affiliate onslaught "because the gambling affiliates have been known to be very innovative and aggressive," he said.

    More affiliates will make maneuvering affiliate marketing "a lot harder," said Mark Welch. The affiliate marketing program manager and Internet marketing consultant doesn't think too highly of the so-called affiliate "black hats" of the wagering world who use pop-ups and adware, or employ underhanded tactics to steal players away from other gambling affiliates.

    "I'm not really afraid of anybody coming in and competing fairly," Welch said.

    If less-than-scrupulous affiliates do flood mainstream markets, affiliate program managers may have to raise alert levels. While in more mainstream markets rule enforcement is often based on the honor system, Welch said in the gambling space, "they tend to be very quick to shut off someone" using inappropriate techniques, because it’s a frequent problem. "In the 'legitimate' space, the policing for that tends to be slower," he said.

    Flouting the rules of mainstream programs may be a piece of cake for gambling affiliates, but not getting the hefty paychecks they're used to could be too much to handle. Indeed, the top dogs will find ways to survive and stay in the gambling market, because, according to Casino Affiliate Convention's Lesnick, "They're not happy with the levels of the revenues" delivered by other affiliate programs.

    "Some retail programs, they want affiliates to be like a little Amway guy," he said. "The casino affiliate isn't a 50 bucks a month guy, he's a 10,000 bucks a month guy."
     
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  4. Jan 4, 2008
  5. chuchu59

    chuchu59 gambling addict CAG PABnonaccred

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    Now which is worse, their RTGs or Playtechs. If new players had played any of these first, they would refrain from playing the MGs later although the list seems OK to me.
     
  6. Jan 4, 2008
  7. NASHVEGAS

    NASHVEGAS Banned User - flamming, disrespecting admin,

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    That would have been like hitting both zeros on the roulette table with one spin at least in the States!
     
  8. Jan 4, 2008
  9. Rusty

    Rusty Banned User - repetitive flaming

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    Makes me wonder why some of the more responsible affiliates, many of whom dwell on this site, do not get together and form their own organization with their own code of conduct and seal of approval.

    Sites like the above must do tremendous unfair damage to your credibility.

    The worse thing about this place is that I somehow came across it by searching best UK RTG casinos :eek2:

    Perhaps there should be an affiliates rogue gallery :D
     
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  10. Jan 4, 2008
  11. KasinoKing

    KasinoKing WebMeister & Slotaholic.. CAG MM PABnonaccred webmeister

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    Blimey - I wish! I'm definitely MUCH closer to the former than the latter!


    Very good point and a great idea. :thumbsup:
    Being relatively new to the affy scene I don't know if this already exists or has been tried, but the big problem would be the same as it is with the rogue casinos themselves - just how could you do anything to stop them?

    Also unsuspecting newbies have no idea which casinos or affy sites are good or bad or what any seals may mean - I myself 'swam around in ignorance' for over 3 years before discovering CasinoMeister, and I signed up to some well dodgy places I can tell you!
     
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  12. Jan 4, 2008
  13. lots0

    lots0 Banned User - troll posts - flaming PABnonaccred

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    Smart affiliates have been moving into non-gambling related areas for over a year now. Some of the non-gambling affiliate sectors are already starting to feel the heat of real competition.

    Ever heard the expression... "Trying to herd a group of cats"? ;)

    One of the main reasons people become affiliates in the first place is to be on their own without any type of boss or anyone else telling them what to do... In other words most of the good affiliates are not "Joiners" or "followers".
     
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  14. Jan 4, 2008
  15. NASHVEGAS

    NASHVEGAS Banned User - flamming, disrespecting admin,

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    Yeah,like porn and what else????...Certaintly, the mortgage industry would have been poor timing for those in the states....just curious as you prolly would know I assume from trade industry media?....other than porn which may comprise a very small amount of the move into other sectors, I have no clue of what industries comprise the actual diversification movement over the past year!
     
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  16. Jan 4, 2008
  17. lots0

    lots0 Banned User - troll posts - flaming PABnonaccred

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    My friend, the WWW is far more than p0rn, gambling and real estate. :)

    Anything that can be bought or sold, is bought and sold on the WWW. Your only limit is your own imagination and drive.
     
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  18. Jan 4, 2008
  19. NASHVEGAS

    NASHVEGAS Banned User - flamming, disrespecting admin,

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    I left a keyword out....a la a primary industries .....no biggie so do not worry about , I was just seeking knowledge and I did not proof my post as the doorbell was ringing.....and it was was not the post (pun intended) man!:)
     
  20. Jan 4, 2008
  21. Simmo!

    Simmo! Moderator Staff Member

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    The affiliate industry, in any sector, will never be able to police itself without some sort of regulation. The barriers to entry are low - you basically just need to be able to design a website - however the path to making an income relies on "knowledge".

    The "good" affiliates know their industry and products like the back of their hand. The not-so good ones can make up ground by learning SEO techniques. The crap ones turn to black-hat and often steal a march, though normally for short term gains until they are found out.

    Unfortunately, gambling affiliates receive no guidance as to which operators are good and which are not - they have to do their own research and a lot can't be arsed, hence why you end up with sites like the one mentioned who look at things purely from an affiliate angle. And to a degree it's subjective - no casino is liked by everyone, although some rogues are more obvious than others.

    But at the end of the day these dodgy affiliate sites hurt themselves too...this thread is one example, another is obviously when a player realised he's been stiffed, that site's lost any trust it had.

    The only way sites like that can be ironed out is by legislation along the lines of the new UK regs on who can be represented, but even then it's useless if it's not policed.
     
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  22. Jan 5, 2008
  23. Rusty

    Rusty Banned User - repetitive flaming

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    Yeah, I take all your points about policing and I think Lotso puts it best.
    I guess it was just wishful thinking on my part and I suppose the best way to go is to show up the bad ones on respected forums.
    I understand what you are saying Simmo the bad ones can not be bothered doing the research because they don't care about their cash cows being ripped off as long as they get there pound of flesh.
    Still there are worse things in the World.
    Why doesn't that make me feel any better, pass the Prozac someone :oops:


    LOL
    Edit
    Just re_read the thread title and worked out why Simmo is here.
    No offence mate.
    There should be a law against muppet discrimination
     
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  24. Jan 5, 2008
  25. vinylweatherman

    vinylweatherman You type well loads CAG MM

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    WTF:what: I thought this lot WERE British. Is there something about this industry that forces casinos to exclude players in some way that reside in their licencing juristiction, or the country that hosts them. It would be like Vegas saying US citizens were not allowed to take up any of the "comps" offered by the casinos - there would be a riot!

    Now that WE(UK) are probably the ONLY "first world" country to offer online casinos a proper legal framework, thus forcing the hand of those other EU countries who are trying to follow the US lead, they repay us by kicking us in the proverbials:mad:

    They should realise that us Brits are no longer standing for this behaviour by big business. Gone is the "stiff upper lip" and "grin & bear it", consumers are now far more militant, and numerous companies have severely misjudged what level of fleecing they can get away with.
    The long standing "0870" phone rip off has been dealt a death blow by militant consumer action, yet these same companies have tried to get one over the British consumer YET AGAIN by slipping in the new "0844" phone scam, trying to pretend that 5ppp is the "local rate" for 9:30pm on a Sunday night. I have ALREADY caught "Club World" casino perpetrating this scam, and I am awaiting their reaction to the move by OFCOM to kill the rip off.

    UK players should make formal complaints to the Gambling Commission against ANY term that discriminates between UK and other EU countries. If the casino is on the "whitelist" it is ILLEGAL under EU trade laws, ask iTunes - they found out the hard way.
     
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  26. Jan 5, 2008
  27. lojo

    lojo Banned User - repetitive violations of <a href="ht

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    I'm purty sure :D that I've costs casinos that played games with me or simply didn't pay more than they took from me. 'Harassing' some of their affiliates was part of it. There are still affiliates that post here that promote rogues. Shame 'em...
     
  28. Jan 5, 2008
  29. jetset

    jetset Ueber Meister CAG

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    This has turned into an interesting discussion on affiliates, integrity and professionalism, albeit a little off at a tangent.

    I have to agree with Simmo in his well thought through post above, but are we not seeing the glimmerings of at least some affiliates trying to achieve a better standard through membership of sites like CAP and the GPWA and the educational get-togethers they espouse?

    Admittedly the powers of these organisations are limited to the opinion of peers, but is it not at the very least a level above the unknowing and/or unwilling to improve?

    Edited to add that this is again an area where players can make an impact by sharing experiences and reporting bad conduct....and more conscientious affiliates can distance themselves from the rogues and vagabonds by their own professional behaviour and condemnation of bad practice.
     
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  30. Jan 5, 2008
  31. Simmo!

    Simmo! Moderator Staff Member

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    Haha - yeah I admit I saw the thread title and assumed my race was under attack. But some muppets you just can't defend ;)

    Definately. These two organisations are providing some very good - actually, make that excellent - opportunites for affiliates to get together and learn, but I think they would readily agree that their concern is the affiliate and not the player...what they don't do is provide information on which actual casinos or poker rooms are suitable for players - on both sites you'll find casinos advertising who are, shall we say diplomatically, "not among the best" - but they do provide an excellent platform for affiliates to guide each other.

    It's great if the affiliates find CAP and GPWA but not all do and it's still down to research, even on those sites.
     
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  32. Jan 5, 2008
  33. Rusty

    Rusty Banned User - repetitive flaming

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    Not being an affiliate I was not aware of these organizations.

    their concern is the affiliate and not the player

    Ideally these would be one and the same so I guess it is down to an affiliate with integrity who knows the industry to set up an affiliates watchdog site that offers advise to its members and shames the bad sites.:p

    I guess in the real World though it is impossible to police the worse offending Casinos never mind their leaching affiliates.
     
  34. Jan 5, 2008
  35. GaryWatson

    GaryWatson Dormant account

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    Thats why I was a little surprised to see that B4playing was given the thumbs up by CAP. It appears apparent respectability can be bought & members still have to beware
     
  36. Jan 5, 2008
  37. lots0

    lots0 Banned User - troll posts - flaming PABnonaccred

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    Most folks around here know I am not a fan of CAP, so I will be brief.

    In my opinion CAP is ROGUE.
    CAP promotes known rogue casinos, they get new and "innocent" affiliates into the field to promote known rogue casinos and poker rooms, all in the name of earning the owner of CAP 2nd tier affiliate income.

    BTW - this idea that CAP keeps the rogues on their "Good" list so the Great Leader at CAP can talk them back into the "good" side is about the biggest pile of smelly, fly infested shit on the WWW today. Not one single ROGUE Casino has been reformed by CAP in their years and years of 'trying'.

    Let me ask you all this... Why should the ROGUE Casinos reform? They still get affiliates (and players) directly from CAP, all discussions at CAP about the rogue behavior of casinos they promote is squashed on their forum... CAP protects the ROGUE Casinos and gives No incentives at all for the rogue casinos to reform.

    If Players want a REAL organization to protect them (Besides Casino Meister), the players should start a players group that has NO affiliation with any casinos or affiliate groups.
     
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  38. Jan 5, 2008
  39. cyprean

    cyprean Banned User PABnononaccred

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    True. It's all about the money for CAP, pure and simple. The rogue casinos can pay a little extra affy income, because they screw their players more often.

    It's hard to find the right balance. Here at CM the balance is about right.
     
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