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I feel so highly honoured that I was not part of that huge multi-quoted reply from the worlds No.1 Casino Guru.

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Redbet ('Sister' Site)

e144 bonus, WR approx e5,760.

Withdrawal e4100, left e100 to play.

That's the highlight of the show.

On top of this I am in lifetime profit with them, all due to playing a variety of games of which the main 2 are Dead or Alive and Raging Rhino (2 very high variance slots)

Jammy? - Yes

Rigged?- No!

lol, probably 4am in Bangkok around now and Harry's just done spin number 43,249 on DOA with no scatters!

Defo Heaven slot free, bring it on.....

I have heard however they are hotter than hot in hell (of course Jon :rolleyes:)

All they ever do is payout 10,000x wins time and time again.

The torture for the trip to hell is that at the last second, the wins fail to actually credit correctly to your balance.

You have to go to live help and are asked 'Have you cleaned your cache n cookies....'

PM's go unanswered for weeks, free spins are always on Starburst or Aloha or if your really lucky Spinions by Quickspin.

Lag and disconnections just to add to frustration of another losing session.

.....oh, hang on a minute :p

If we did that, what would be the point of us all being here :confused::confused::confused:

I know what you mean
 
hahaha ! I did not think that my posts so overly touched the mood of 4 jackals who practice this forum , inexorably less and less frequented . Evidently, any player who is cheated must gather the tail and navigate in other clearest waters , abandoning these ephemeral environments frequented by corrupt members and staff and ready to tease the poor unfortunate player .
I seem to have to do with a flock of sheep which the shepherd (admin ) , soon intervenes claiming they are not rigged casinos , is a kind of reminder of the flock that is part of the farmhouse . You're just a bunch of pimps , it is legal because it is authorized by the Maltese government thief like you . Having said that I ask the cancellation of my account in this pseudo forum .

Pretend and deny the evidence of facts , taking advantage of the weakness of the players , and that being a Computer factor, it is not an exact science . As saying in Italian casinos that sponsored you, they are categorically advised against . It 'no you climb on mirrors .
The so-called dot com casino online casino licenses are issued by countries blacklisted and tax havens , which as you can imagine, leave the safety finding . these CASINO DOT COM is a real scam , because from the point of view of the law of the territory in which we live are illegal and can not accept Italian players , and the other the Italian players if they accepted us can not play because it is a crime and it may cause administrative penalties ( ie fines ) salted . The game portal in question cares equally and accept Italian players ,
they take advantage of a series of increasingly real risks that pernalizzano the Italian player . These casinos have licenses in unlikely countries , blacklists, tax havens, which have all their legislation, especially with regard to data privacy. In fact, when you sign up and put your data, they resell them to other casino. Do not believe us? But try not recommend it, as soon as you enroll in one of these casinos, in a few days will start to get there email by dozens of casino spam.these scoundrels gentlemen who are based in tax havens where there are no controls , and just a bit of money to buy the State forces. do not respond to the laws of the international community and therefore do not care about everyone and everything , and they just run your names .
these scoundrels gentlemen who are based in tax havens where there are no controls , and just a bit of money to buy the State forces. do not respond to the laws of the international community and therefore do not care about everyone and everything , and they just run your nominativi.Siete now convinced that not worth it to play in these portals with offices in tax havens ? With all the good that we can have a peaceful country like Malta for example ( of dubious beauty but it is a purely personal opinion ) , but you really think that a state so small has created a licensing system so effective ? They only care that your money will end up in their banks , nothing more . But I will have my personal vendetta .

What happened to Mango-Mango then ?? changed you're mind ?

put down the crack pipe fella, would ya .

And get sum rest , looks like u need it.
 
My Lifetime RTP

Iv never said the games are rigged and look at my lifetime RTP at 1 casino

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Play somewhere else and see if you have better luck, you can't be lucky everywhere
 
Unless you play at 32Red, Rizk, Cashmio etc (who have their own game servers) it doesn't matter where you play as they are all connected to the same Random Number Generator in a locked room in the Isle of Man or Malta. If you play at 50 different casinos, you will still get the same result as if you playing at just one. It's all about the exact second you press your mouse or space button.

Everyone goes through winning (and losing) streaks - it's part of what makes gambling entertaining. Singling out Whitebet and calling them a scam is just childish as at the end of the day they have no control whatsoever on your RTP or gameplay.
 
Mine was that bad at that casino when I first joined and never improved.

Took a break from there and returned at a later date and although no miracles, much improved and a couple of small withdrawals.

In fact playing there right now, things were looking their usual 'featureless' selves and hit a nice 700x on DOA.

Almost wild line but Hat, Hat, Boot, Holster dropped in the 'gap' on the last 4 spins :D
 
hahaha ! I did not think that my posts so overly touched the mood of 4 jackals who practice this forum ....

Do not harass or insult your fellow forum members. This above statement is unacceptable, it breaks our forum rules and this sort of behavior will not be tolerated. Do not do this again. Thank you.

Infraction given.
 
And by the way, we have a zero tolerance policy on braking the forum rules when it comes to posting complaints. If your English is that bad - that you can't read our rules, then I would recommend that you go elsewhere and post your complaints. Thank you.

Continue breaking our posting policies and your account will be closed.
 
Unless you play at 32Red, Rizk, Cashmio etc (who have their own game servers) .

You do realise this has brought on my 'tinfoilitis' in a big way.

Do you mean that these are in house and not linked to the main Netent/Mg/WMS etc etc servers.

Games I would assume have their own RTP as designed but then I start to think if these particular casino servers are independent, less spins, less player base, small chance of large hits due to less turnover etc etc etc, right paranoid thought racing round my head right now, whether an experienced player or not.

Would explain a lot of things that's for sure :p
 
You do realise this has brought on my 'tinfoilitis' in a big way.

Do you mean that these are in house and not linked to the main Netent/Mg/WMS etc etc servers.

Games I would assume have their own RTP as designed but then I start to think if these particular casino servers are independent, less spins, less player base, small chance of large hits due to less turnover etc etc etc, right paranoid thought racing round my head right now, whether an experienced player or not.

Would explain a lot of things that's for sure :p

Ha! That explains all them rigged sessions I had at 32Red in the past!

*except the ones I won in
 
Well, some certainly look different, hence i would not totally dismiss that they might have their own designated MG server.

However, the last part of the server name is always the same - 'gameassists' or 'gcontent', depending whether they use Quickfire or not, indicating it is the same server for all.

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Do not harass or insult your fellow forum members. This above statement is unacceptable, it breaks our forum rules and this sort of behavior will not be tolerated. Do not do this again. Thank you.

Infraction given.


Whereas no one is interested in constructive criticism , and all members deviate statements in one direction,
I also have the right to defend myself against accusations inflicted on my expense , in a court before the magistrate and an independent computer expert , would be important as when to trump game bowls , and the two of spades .

And by the way, we have a zero tolerance policy on braking the forum rules when it comes to posting complaints.

Obviously , that does not accept witnesses uncomfortable to her, and to the casinos which sponsors . previously quiet I wrote not want to argue the discussions that I think I should be ignored because no foundations .

If your English is that bad - that you can't read our rules, then I would recommend that you go elsewhere and post your complaints. Thank you.

I thank you for the expressions of esteem , and giving me support aministratore dear ! This is his first intervention in order to reproach and cover up the overwhelming evidence that whitebet.com cheated me with tricks and computer scams , I have all the videos , and screenshots . This would be a forum for help troubleshooting and fraud apply casnò dishonest ? His speech , with all sincerity , could risparmiarselo avoiding the bad figures .

She wonders why ? Because obviously it is the only forum / sponsors that I see in the whitebet.com , and if already , you treated me you sponsors , to fish in the face calling me a liar , false, and " inexperienced player " , imagine if I go to complain to other page forum ...ahahahaah
at least send me to hell , then bann , and then summon me to court for harassment in the forums that have nothing to do with the offending casino.hahaha I swear that you are the puppet , and I'm dying with laughter>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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Whereas no one is interested in constructive criticism , and all members deviate statements in one direction,
I also have the right to defend myself against accusations inflicted on my expense , in a court before the magistrate and an independent computer expert , would be important as when to trump game bowls , and the two of spades .



Obviously , that does not accept witnesses uncomfortable to her, and to the casinos which sponsors . previously quiet I wrote not want to argue the discussions that I think I should be ignored because no foundations .



I thank you for the expressions of esteem , and giving me support aministratore dear ! This is his first intervention in order to reproach and cover up the overwhelming evidence that whitebet.com cheated me with tricks and computer scams , I have all the videos , and screenshots . This would be a forum for help troubleshooting and fraud apply casnò dishonest ? His speech , with all sincerity , could risparmiarselo avoiding the bad figures .

She wonders why ? Because obviously it is the only forum / sponsors that I see in the whitebet.com , and if already , you treated me you sponsors , to fish in the face calling me a liar , false, and " inexperienced player " , imagine if I go to complain to other page forum ...ahahahaah
at least send me to hell , then bann , and then summon me to court for harassment in the forums that have nothing to do with the offending casino.hahaha I swear that you are the puppet , and I'm dying with laughter>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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I'm thinking of taking all my previous playlogs of DOA to the FBI myself
 
MY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



Whereas no one is interested in constructive criticism , and all members deviate statements in one direction,
I also have the right to defend myself against accusations inflicted on my expense , in a court before the magistrate and an independent computer expert , would be important as when to trump game bowls , and the two of spades .



Obviously , that does not accept witnesses uncomfortable to her, and to the casinos which sponsors . previously quiet I wrote not want to argue the discussions that I think I should be ignored because no foundations .



I thank you for the expressions of esteem , and giving me support aministratore dear ! This is his first intervention in order to reproach and cover up the overwhelming evidence that whitebet.com cheated me with tricks and computer scams , I have all the videos , and screenshots . This would be a forum for help troubleshooting and fraud apply casnò dishonest ? His speech , with all sincerity , could risparmiarselo avoiding the bad figures .

She wonders why ? Because obviously it is the only forum / sponsors that I see in the whitebet.com , and if already , you treated me you sponsors , to fish in the face calling me a liar , false, and " inexperienced player " , imagine if I go to complain to other page forum ...ahahahaah
at least send me to hell , then bann , and then summon me to court for harassment in the forums that have nothing to do with the offending casino.hahaha I swear that you are the puppet , and I'm dying with laughter>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Master, master
Where’s the dreams that I’ve been after?
Master, master
You promised only lies
Laughter, laughter
All I hear or see is laughter
Laughter, laughter
Laughing at my cries
 
Master, master
Where’s the dreams that I’ve been after?
Master, master
You promised only lies
Laughter, laughter
All I hear or see is laughter
Laughter, laughter
Laughing at my cries

I fear the Metallica reference may be lost on the pitbull
 
The last time I played DOA Della and Billy the Kid had fecked off out of it for a mammoth foursome with Bonnie and Clyde.

I do wonder that myself when booting it up. It's less Dead or Alive and more Debauched Orgy Analists :(
 
I write with my deep regret the shameful conduct of this casino . I state I signed in April , this day I have never won anything ! Slots blatantly rigged , you see with the naked eye that are programmed by someone seeing certain users with a huge volume of game and thousands of EUR thrown to the fire , they took advantage further !
It does not exist in heaven or on earth , that in 5 months the maximum balance was of 154 € ! the same slots DEAD OR ALIVE . Seventh last I made something like 35 deposits! For a TOT of 1200 € ! The balance always down ! They give you just the payout preset really a scandal , even though I warned the Maltese authorities , and even the prosecutor of the republic of Rome !
Dear listeners , here we talk about slots , do not talk about bingo or lottery! Are we joking? Around 100,000 € betting volume , and whole days , without compensation or reward. I would not take the side of those who say they are a legalized scam , but when you reveal the usual algorithms and ridiculous payouts in scatters and / or bonuses , something does not. I speak as a player with experience of continuous play for 5 months !! note well five months , not 5 days !!
Even more shocking , the fact that block I chat every time I ask explanations ! For days they have embarked on the road of silence . NOn even respond to emails , why argue that I'm harassing ! ahaahah simply outrageous in theory I have to lose and then I shut up when I have to be well -known strange disconnections , strange leaps of the rollers , winnings latitano from when I checked , that is, from April !
I believe that these people have to go to jail , because I have experience of eight years in all casinos , I have never encountered a software as one of Whitebet . Besides the fact that do not respond denote the arrogance and the arrogance and lack of professionalism and customer service . I am amazed that the " Casinomeister " logo , and are sponsored by a serious forum like this . I would not let it be a mistake, a tampering by these jackals unscrupulous ? I await an answer from the staff . I hope it is clear, that does not speak English because they use google translator.

Ok, so let me get this straight. You've wagered around €100,000, on a game with a payout of ~96%, which means that on average you should've lost €4000 - and you are damn sure that the slots are rigged AGAINST YOU because you've lost €1200?
 
One things for sure, you do have a very 'fitting' username.

Soon to be muzzled and placed in a locked Kennel I feel ;)

they put you with chains attached to a tree in Siberia , to break rocks under heavy snow ,
then comes the pack of " wolves " has come extinct because they have eaten the carcass:lolup:
 
well, for his own sake, i certainty hope this kid quit with gambling. He doesn't have the right attitude nor the mentality for this business.
 
Are you absolutely sure about this?

32Red definitely have their own servers for MicroGaming as when playing it uses a different C Class IP system (confirmed by using a packet sniffer) - whether it has it's own RNG is only something they can confirm. Also, does this only operate on Quickfire or the download platform as well? A lot of questions but commercially sensitive so have never asked them directly.

When it comes to Rizk, InstaCasino and the like - their Gaming Cloud also uses a very different subnet system for NetEnt and MG Games.

Several posts on the Immortal Romance thread over the years about the frequency of cold spells on 32Red v Rest of the casinos. This is where the foilhat comes in....
 
32Red definitely have their own servers for MicroGaming as when playing it uses a different C Class IP system (confirmed by using a packet sniffer) - whether it has it's own RNG is only something they can confirm.

When it comes to Rizk, InstaCasino and the like - their Gaming Cloud also uses a very different subnet system for NetEnt and MG Games.

Several posts on the Immortal Romance thread over the years about the frequency of cold spells on 32Red v Rest of the casinos.

Never mind all that Nicola. What type of wolf are you?

Here's me:

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After reading the last couple of pages of this thread.
I want to put on my master of puppets cd, sniff some packets and make wolf noises

As pitbull would say, "Sometimes JD, you're like a half-eaten apple left in the afternoon sun" :confused::confused::confused:
 
32Red definitely have their own servers for MicroGaming as when playing it uses a different C Class IP system (confirmed by using a packet sniffer) - whether it has it's own RNG is only something they can confirm. Also, does this only operate on Quickfire or the download platform as well? A lot of questions but commercially sensitive so have never asked them directly.

When it comes to Rizk, InstaCasino and the like - their Gaming Cloud also uses a very different subnet system for NetEnt and MG Games.

Several posts on the Immortal Romance thread over the years about the frequency of cold spells on 32Red v Rest of the casinos. This is where the foilhat comes in....

So we have a clear statement from someone from inside the industry that thankfully still have a player mindset and acts as a fellow Member, that put at risk the preconceived idea that all games run the same from same servers, operators have no control etc crap ive read loads of times... and the debate is over...

Question is why they choose and are permitted to choose by the useless regulators and providers propietary servers if not for the purpose of altering the RTP as they wish? Is like our Novos in national lottery agencies that all are connected somewhere in the capital through internet and are strictly regulated VS the same Novos in one cafe-bar that owner choose to alter the machine as he wish, all being total crap during the holidays when people play slots the most.
Ive been told by others and myself i perpetuated the false speech that they all run from the same servers with the same RTP governed by an established RNG and at the end of the day is down to luck. Looks like is not..debate is over return to how IR suddenly turns cold thread.
 
So we have a clear statement from someone from inside the industry that thankfully still have a player mindset and acts as a fellow Member, that put at risk the preconceived idea that all games run the same from same servers, operators have no control etc crap ive read loads of times... and the debate is over...

Question is why they choose and are permitted to choose by the useless regulators and providers propietary servers if not for the purpose of altering the RTP as they wish? Is like our Novos in national lottery agencies that all are connected somewhere in the capital through internet and are strictly regulated VS the same Novos in one cafe-bar that owner choose to alter the machine as he wish, all being total crap during the holidays when people play slots the most.
Ive been told by others and myself i perpetuated the false speech that they all run from the same servers with the same RTP governed by an established RNG and at the end of the day is down to luck. Looks like is not..debate is over return to how IR suddenly turns cold thread.

each soul on this forum are acting like a fellow member to me !! but they have also right to give thr opinions whether u like it or not !!
looks like i did mis sumthing here . :rolleyes:

As for ur statmnt, I know for sure if you knew how a slot does his work based on his
calculation , you would disagree with your own statement.

Oh btw, just my opinion . I'm still ur fellow member with a player mindset !!:cool:
 
Bad formulation. What i meant is that she didnt withdraw from his membership role to free her thoughts and leave opinions even after started working in the industry. One reason to use private servers is to kill the occasional lag found on main servers due to greater activity, that would mean that they put the players experience first haha

Now that you know better how slots are working then enlighten me why they want to control the 'signal' using different servers if not for their own administration of the hosted games/slots that may permit fishy intervention. Maybe is not necessarily to have some sort of control panel or any settings of the game, maybe the games settings are unbreakable, but what is for sure proved by otobet and the likes, is that the games can be cloned to alter the RTP and if the games don.t run from official servers there is always the thought. Any path is opened for some sort of cheating once regulator and provider aside permit this... and where money is there always have to be a crook and not necessarily has to be a player.

Tell me facts that you can prove not word of mouth like all games run from software provider servers BS dismounted already...there is not enough transparency for important things like this. What else they should not control but they do?
 
Bad formulation. What i meant is that she didnt withdraw from his membership role to free her thoughts and leave opinions even after started working in the industry. One reason to use private servers is to kill the occasional lag found on main servers due to greater activity, that would mean that they put the players experience first haha

Now that you know better how slots are working then enlighten me why they want to control the 'signal' using different servers if not for their own administration of the hosted games/slots that may permit fishy intervention. Maybe is not necessarily to have some sort of control panel or any settings of the game, maybe the games settings are unbreakable, but what is for sure proved by otobet and the likes, is that the games can be cloned to alter the RTP and if the games don.t run from official servers there is always the thought. Any path is opened for some sort of cheating once regulator and provider aside permit this... and where money is there always have to be a crook and not necessarily has to be a player.

Tell me facts that you can prove not word of mouth like all games run from software provider servers BS dismounted already...there is not enough transparency for important things like this. What else they should not control but they do?

yeah, she Looks like a smart bird. I'll give you that. I know people who're working in the industry for 25 years and they would'nt agree with you though.
legal casinos who got thr license and approved by GC, are required to set Those slots between 80 and 95 percent (depending on provider and serv They use an dealing with). which is already regulated by provider.

Those slots giving a certain return over time ( which is counted over 100,000s of spins).
It's about ur timing . U could play on a slot with 95 prct RTP , and end up with nothing . while sum other kid playing at a slot with 85 prct rtp ( at the same time u're playing ) and end up with few 1000 box wins . Casino has No control over that .

Yes , casino can mess up with rtp , by RESETING those reels more often than they allowd to , and slow down the process ( especially land casinos ). And That's when it coms to TRTP .
They can be easily caught baised on TRTP. any casino who's approved by GC, would not dare to take suche risk cuz they know damn well, they would run out of bussines in NO TIME.

Btw, why the hell would they ?? They do'nt need that kind of stuff . The legal RTP of those slots is set up in such a way that casino in the final IS the winner .

Do you u realy think sum poor basterd invest mls of euro's / set up a casino to finaly give the money
to Chrty ??? ( Mother Teresa is dead long time ago ) .
 
I see some people drifting off in the tin foil-area direction :p

There are and have always been dedicated servers, which are reserved for a specific operation, if they pay for it.
All that means is that there will be (or should be) less problems regarding latency, stability, and even security.
If 32Red for instance use a dedicated server, then this still means they are using a server controlled by MG, but only available to them.


They have no control over the Games, or if they do, then no more then other clients that use shared servers, or the quickfire platform.
There may be small differences, but nothing that would interfere with the game's integrity and RTP..
 
What I posted was based on what I see while playing a slot like anyone else. I have a piece of software running in the system tray which shows all outgoing+incoming connections and there hostnames/IP addresses. That is how I uncovered those fake NetEnt servers a few months back.

The only thing that is definite (100%) is that 32Red use a different gaming server and/or RNG for their players based on the evidence of screenshots on this thread and my own research on the end connection IP data. Unless someone from 32Red confirms or denies we will never know what exactly is different.

Whatever happens, be assured everything at a genuine licensed casino is fully audited and there is no funny business. The RNG software/hardware is in a CCTV, securely locked room on the Isle of Man.

At the end of the day, it's all random and we the players or they the operators have no control on gameplay.
 
What I posted was based on what I see while playing a slot like anyone else. I have a piece of software running in the system tray which shows all outgoing+incoming connections and there hostnames/IP addresses. That is how I uncovered those fake NetEnt servers a few months back.
The only thing that is definite (100%) is that 32Red use a different gaming server and/or RNG for their players based on the evidence of screenshots on this thread and my own research on the end connection IP data. Unless someone from 32Red confirms or denies we will never know what exactly is different.

Whatever happens, be assured everything at a genuine licensed casino is fully audited and there is no funny business. The RNG software/hardware is in a CCTV, securely locked room on the Isle of Man.

At the end of the day, it's all random and we the players or they the operators have no control on gameplay
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The Fake Netent servers were exposed back in 2014 :) Unless you're just referring to the latest incarnations. And Novo too.
https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/more-netent-stolen-software-rip-offs.65186/

Not strictly true. Gameplay is affected by RTP, and some software allows different math models like RTG.
Actually, on some games like some IGT and many Bastardcrests, you can affect the gameplay by stake levels. ;)

Just sayin'
 
Wow I've missed this thread. Which makes you wonder.....

If you keep losing at a particular site and think they are crooks, why still play there all this time? It's like getting out a wad of notes, burning them and berating the fire for being too hot :confused:
 
LOL, after having dried up my money, I find the blocked account, Claiming That they do not accept Italian players!All this is the limit of legality.

Last week ALL the casinos of redbet group (redbet, whitebet, heypoker) decided to close ALL their "old" italian accounts.
It is not something decided to consolidate the winnings they had on YOUR account, they simply decided to do it, to ALL italian players.
You are not victim of any conspiracy. I am pretty sure they closed the accounts of players who were UP as well. :rolleyes:

From YOUR point of view, this is a good news. You think this casino acts badly and you were not happy with them.
From MY point of view, this is a very bad news since it was the only place where to play WMS games and some other game which is country restricted.

From YOUR point of view, you can go ahead and enjoy the several casinosh.it our beloved Govt is offering us.
From MY point of view, now I am trying to find out some alternatives.
 
Last week ALL the casinos of redbet group (redbet, whitebet, heypoker) decided to close ALL their "old" italian accounts.
It is not something decided to consolidate the winnings they had on YOUR account, they simply decided to do it, to ALL italian players.
You are not victim of any conspiracy. I am pretty sure they closed the accounts of players who were UP as well. :rolleyes:

From YOUR point of view, this is a good news. You think this casino acts badly and you were not happy with them.
From MY point of view, this is a very bad news since it was the only place where to play WMS games and some other game which is country restricted.

From YOUR point of view, you can go ahead and enjoy the several casinosh.it our beloved Govt is offering us.
From MY point of view, now I am trying to find out some alternatives.

Ciao, cosa ne pensi di vegaswinner? Ieri mi sono registrato e ho depositato 75€. Dicono che accettano i giocatori italiani. Mi sono fidato perchè hanno licenza MGA. Secondo te nei pagamenti sono affidabili? O cercano scuse assurde per non pagare le vincite?
 

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