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[P.V.]

WASHINGTON — Since 2010, the National Security Agency has been exploiting its huge collections of data to create sophisticated graphs of some Americans’ social connections that can identify their associates, their locations at certain times, their traveling companions and other personal information, according to newly disclosed documents and interviews with officials.

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[spacechimp]

not long before this is worldwide, police state is coming.

 

[MaryJean]

State of Affairs

not long before this is worldwide, police state is coming.

You mean it hasn't?

Just watch what our Congress is doing this weekend.

MaryJean

 

[Andy Walker]

WASHINGTON — Since 2010, the National Security Agency has been exploiting its huge collections of data to create sophisticated graphs of some Americans’ social connections that can identify their associates, their locations at certain times, their traveling companions and other personal information, according to newly disclosed documents and interviews with officials.

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Since 2010 :lolsign:

Try 1960

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[dionysus]

Honestly, since I pretty much keep my nose clean, so I don't really care if anyone wants to keep tabs on me - it would be a pretty boring show

 

[Simmo!]

Honestly, since I pretty much keep my nose clean, so I don't really care if anyone wants to keep tabs on me - it would be a pretty boring show

I tend to agree. If its stopping terrorists blow people up, criminals living at the expense of others and people who are generally doing bad then I'm all for it. Where I get pissed off though is when a Government justifies surveillance by saying it's for safety and "protection" and then go and use it for something that is clearly only about the money or to make a political statement.

 

[Andy Walker]

I tend to agree. If its stopping terrorists blow people up, criminals living at the expense of others and people who are generally doing bad then I'm all for it. Where I get pissed off though is when a Government justifies surveillance by saying it's for safety and "protection" and then go and use it for something that is clearly only about the money or to make a political statement.

Word up I have tracked your position and need to tell you that purple underwear with blue jeans is a no-no but that Blue shirt is quite fetching :lolsign: all done with javascript :Angel: as if

 

[jetset]

I tend to agree. If its stopping terrorists blow people up, criminals living at the expense of others and people who are generally doing bad then I'm all for it. Where I get pissed off though is when a Government justifies surveillance by saying it's for safety and "protection" and then go and use it for something that is clearly only about the money or to make a political statement.

Amen to that - and online gambling regulation "to protect the consumer" in too many jurisdictions illustrates the point.

 

[Balthazar]

"I don't care if you spy on me for terrorism since I'm not a terrorist, but don't spy on me for gambling!"

Reminds me of this:

First they came for the communists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a communist.

Then they came for the socialists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a socialist.

Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist.

Then they came for me,
and there was no one left to speak for me.

-Martin Niemöller (1892–1984)

I, for one, care if my government spies on me for any reason. I'm supposed to be above the government, as a taxpayer I'm hiring them and pay their salary. They work for me, not the other way around and I expect 100% transparency. Employees don't spy on their boss.

 

[dionysus]

"I don't care if you spy on me for terrorism since I'm not a terrorist, but don't spy on me for gambling!"

Reminds me of this:





I, for one, care if my government spies on me for any reason. I'm supposed to be above the government, as a taxpayer I'm hiring them and pay their salary. They work for me, not the other way around and I expect 100% transparency. Employees don't spy on their boss.

I've always found that to be a bit of a fallacy, like saying to the cop who pulls you over ' I pay for your salary'. For all I know my taxes went toward one inch of road maintenance and some city garbage removal, maybe even it brought a couple school desks - I don't think it stretched far enough to pay for everyone in the political and civilian sector.
I certainly don't expect 100% transparency. I'm well aware things go on I don't know about, don't want to know about, and will never hear about.

 

[manfreid88]

Movie<> real life

"Person of Interest" anyone?

 

[Balthazar]

I'm well aware things go on I don't know about, don't want to know about, and will never hear about.

It's your choice, though. You don't have to know if you don't want to know and I doubt that anyone wants to force informations down your throat.

I, on the other hand, want to know what they are doing at all time and it should be my choice. I'm a strong believer that under absolutely no circumstance the State should be placed above the people. If you wonder why, most history books explain that quite well.

 

[dionysus]

It's your choice, though. You don't have to know if you don't want to know and I doubt that anyone wants to force informations down your throat.

I, on the other hand, want to know what they are doing at all time and it should be my choice. I'm a strong believer that under absolutely no circumstance the State should be placed above the people. If you wonder why, most history books explain that quite well.

well, whether you want to know or not, the reality is you aren't privvy to a great deal of information, no matter how much transparency you'd like
as to history books, today or a hundred years ago, stuff occurs behind closed doors that will never see the light of day - as much as you may feel that history shows that information kept secret has been a detriment, I'd wager we're here today because of those thing we weren't told and never will be

 

[Balthazar]

well, whether you want to know or not, the reality is you aren't privvy to a great deal of information, no matter how much transparency you'd like
as to history books, today or a hundred years ago, stuff occurs behind closed doors that will never see the light of day - as much as you may feel that history shows that information kept secret has been a detriment, I'd wager we're here today because of those thing we weren't told and never will be

Humans with power want more power, that's in our nature. If the people isn't there to keep the leaders in check, they WILL turn bad like they always did in the past. Humans 100 years ago were genetically no different than humans today, kings and dictators didn't fall from the sky at the time; it's the people that originally let them take tremendous amounts of power or simply elected them/put them in place.

Thinking that we are now somehow smarter or "more evolved" as a society than they were would be pretentious, at best. If we don't learn from their mistakes, we're doomed to repeat them.

 

[Firehawk]

WASHINGTON — Since 2010, the National Security Agency has been exploiting its huge collections of data to create sophisticated graphs of some Americans’ social connections that can identify their associates, their locations at certain times, their traveling companions and other personal information, according to newly disclosed documents and interviews with officials.

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I'm sure your NSA is doing its job protecting its citizens the threat of terror would be one of the biggest justifications of thee extended intelligence gathering : identifying terror networks and links to potential threats to your general public would be a high priority I would say.
I doubt the Agency would be interested in the goings on of the average citizens daily life unless it was linked to something suspect of a National Security Nature ; sadly with all the past events the reality is the world has changed and privacy is starting to become an issue it is human nature that people would question their affairs being probed.

It is the same for us in our country monitoring has increased our Secrets and Intelligence Service has escalated its monitoring of the average citizen it is a global effect in response to the war on terror but I believe it is justified to some degree for the greater good of the preservation of life and thee elimination of the forces of chaos.

 

[skiny]

It does seem a little arrogant to think that out of 300 million people the NSA is spending a great deal of time listening in on "your" telephone calls. Exactly how much free time do people think these agencies have? Even with the authority to monitor my every move, why would anyone even want to? I'm fairly unimportant in the grand scheme of things.

When people complain about a lack of privacy they might want to remember the day 2 very large buildings fell down and ask themselves what is the alternative? Wait for things to explode and then go clean up the mess? Hope nobody they knew was standing near it at the time?

Battles are best won before the shooting starts and when you fight terrorism, information is the most efficient weapon. Nobody is going to show up at their door and hand it to them. If people expect their governments to mind their business, how exactly do people propose they get it?