Well Here Are The Pirates Logs!!!

jyde

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EvilEye said:
But if someone found a way a player could have a small edge, even .01%, then running a bot a million times would make a profit.
And as I believe Grandmaster pointed out: If you had such an edge you'd make your robot play a zillion hands with minimum betsize. Not $10K hands.
 

spearmaster

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You implying I'm not an experienced gambler? :lolup:

Anyhow, I clicked "double" at least three times when holding 20. And I busted all three times... LOL...

And I also guarantee that in those instances I would not have hit the wrong key. At least not on a keypad... on the keyboard itself, maybe.

even .01%, then running a bot a million times would make a profit.
This, unfortunately, is not true. Running a bot a million times MIGHT make a profit, assuming the player has a .01% edge. And it might make a profit even if the house had a .01% edge. But a bot has no influence on the cards and thus cannot affect the outcome, and if it encountered a bad streak it would not be able to compensate for its theoretical .01% edge, UNLESS there was no maximum bet size and the bot played a Martingale progression.

1% edge, much more likely. But still no guaranteed profit.
 

mary

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evileye, you're probably too young to remember when Real Programmers scorned using the mouse because it slowed them down in coding.

Keystrokes are more accurate than hitting mouse targets (aka buttons) on a screen.

Keystrokes are more ergonomic than mousing. (Fer you young folks out there, that means *less painful* playing video poker at 900 hands an hour.)

I don't think you gamble much either, if you have trouble imagining a player sitting at a keyboard playing! That's what online gambling is, and if a player has a good progression going and is watching that balance go up and up, it is what it's all about.

You should also know more about the game that you "suspect". I've been playing $10k hands (ok, $1 chips!) in "for fun" mode with what I think is the Pirate's strategy and I've already beaten him with a $1.5milllion win. That's in less than six hours of play. No robot. No cash back. I even used the mouse.

I am going to have a grand time looking over the logs. I've posited all along that the Pirate just Martingaled to victory at a casino stupid enough to raise the bet limits. I don't know why Evil wants to throw mud at this point. To discourage players from looking at Pirate's strategy? To frighten casinos?

The casinos are already terrified. Bodog is going to have a $5 maximum bet!
 

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mary said:
evileye, you're probably too young to remember when Real Programmers scorned using the mouse because it slowed them down in coding.

Keystrokes are more accurate than hitting mouse targets (aka buttons) on a screen.

Keystrokes are more ergonomic than mousing. (Fer you young folks out there, that means *less painful* playing video poker at 900 hands an hour.)

I don't think you gamble much either, if you have trouble imagining a player sitting at a keyboard playing! That's what online gambling is, and if a player has a good progression going and is watching that balance go up and up, it is what it's all about.

You should also know more about the game that you "suspect". I've been playing $10k hands (ok, $1 chips!) in "for fun" mode with what I think is the Pirate's strategy and I've already beaten him with a $1.5milllion win. That's in less than six hours of play. No robot. No cash back. I even used the mouse.

I am going to have a grand time looking over the logs. I've posited all along that the Pirate just Martingaled to victory at a casino stupid enough to raise the bet limits. I don't know why Evil wants to throw mud at this point. To discourage players from looking at Pirate's strategy? To frighten casinos?

The casinos are already terrified. Bodog is going to have a $5 maximum bet!
AAARRGgggh. I got cut off @ 1.3 I didn't stop playing so who knows?
 

aceinhole21

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Pirateofc21 said:
AAARRGgggh. I got cut off @ 1.3 I didn't stop playing so who knows?
I'm surprised they cut you off, instead of hoping you'd lose it all back ;)

can I ask you a question? when you hit a million (or even half a million), why didn't you quit? I would think the largest of the largest casinos would not pay out such a high nonprogressive payout without some kind of issues.
 

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"knowing allness"

"My connections in this case are far deep and wide; don't underestimate my knowing allness.

Permission requested to re-use the 'knowing allness" statement Casinomeister in my next conversation with my manager.

dal
 

jetset

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Jeez, Pirate - I hope you know what you're doing posting here again - remember how misunderstood your last attempt at being (posting) clever was?
 

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jetset said:
Jeez, Pirate - I hope you know what you're doing posting here again - remember how misunderstood your last attempt at being (posting) clever was?
LoL
No Kidding! Listen to Jetset, Pirate.
I don't know if we could take it if this case was split open again....... :eek2:
 

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mary said:
evileye, you're probably too young to remember when Real Programmers scorned using the mouse because it slowed them down in coding.

Keystrokes are more accurate than hitting mouse targets (aka buttons) on a screen.

Keystrokes are more ergonomic than mousing. (Fer you young folks out there, that means *less painful* playing video poker at 900 hands an hour.)
So, it's safe to assume that you used the keyboard when you played the game which showed the $1.5milllion [equivalent] win?

There are few games where I use the keyboard (hotkeys), such as counterstrike and broodwars, but I always use a mouse for the casino games - it is much easier.

Not that it makes any difference in regards to the C21 doo-hicky. Just playing the devil's advocate. ;)
 
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xianna

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It's easier for me, but I think it's because I'm more used to using the mouse. I'd have to practice a bit using the keyboard.

Easier is individual. It's what you're used to, I think.
 
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rowmare

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Yeah.
Frankly, I don't know what keys to use on casino games. I suppose if I did, it would be a lot easier than the mouse, once you got used to it.
 

mary

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No, I used the mouse. I didn't want to spend time figuring out how to assign keys to the buttons, but now that you mention it, maybe I should've looked in help...

I started playing without using the Wiz's strategy. Lost the $1.5 million and another million. Good thing I'm so rich! :cool:

I do prefer the keyboard for video poker; speed is good for a positive expectation game. C21 is sooooper streaky--up and down--but it's not positive expectation. It's fun, the Pirate won a lot, but with a cap on the maximum bet size it's not likely that his triumph will be repeated.
 

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I second the notion that this new flurry of cock-sure posts may not be well advised. However, he obviously has a very much clearer handle on the current situation than anyone else here and probably is now safe in the knowledge that the money is effectively in the bank, and so can post as freely - and cockily - as desired.

G2B - as usual, I'm being quite "real": the play logs are meaningless insofar as they give no information whatsoever on how to beat the game - I presume you understand this, that the only interest in the logs was to determine any possible foul play on his part, yes? However, there are many uninformed players who will believe that "patterns" that Pc21 detected and now has exposed in his logs are exploitable, and will be encouraged to try to emulate them - hopelessly. Phonecian know this is a pointless exercise, yet they hope to profiteer from the implicit fallacy: "play like Pc21 and you too can win."

Also, THESE logs aren't relevant or even interesting - it's the Hampton logs that were in question, from the potential cheating aspect and the sheer size of the win. The play at Phonecian was never contested - and for just 20K, why would it be? BFD.

I hope that clears it up.
 

mary

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I liked the log. There it was, a progression.

I won back my $2.5 million, won another $1million, and lost it all. Betting a progression of $10k-$20k-$40k-$80k-$160k-$320k

I invite all the skeptics to do that progression, use the Wizard's strategy, and you'll see streaks that would have been big winners if...

  • you really could bet that much, and
  • you really would bet that much.

I don't recommend it for anyone who is married.

It's all history now. Casinos that have been paying attention won't repeat Hampton's mistake.
 

islandmaan

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Pirate what are you doing????????? Unless you already recieved your money and have buried it in a whole somewhere you should sit back silently for your cash.

If you did get the cash take the family on a cruise and enjoy it, what you are doing now is opening up an already stinky can of worms. Just tring to give ya some good advice.
 

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progression, is what i use with a cap and i dont stay at one game, also i dont unless it intercasino try to win more than 5000.

on a few rtg casinos i cash out overy 50 bucks i make sometimes every 20, then start over like i have no money. Goal is to make 100 to 150 a day, most time i make 400 a day do the math.

There no way i would try and work my way up pass 10000 at any online casino, they look at u crazy in vegas if you win that much.

mary if you won like that in fun mode drop a quick 1000 in a rtg casino and make a quick 100 bucks aday x 30 extra 3000 a month. That how a man from the hood think
 

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bethug said:
progression, is what i use with a cap and i dont stay at one game, also i dont unless it intercasino try to win more than 5000.

on a few rtg casinos i cash out overy 50 bucks i make sometimes every 20, then start over like i have no money. Goal is to make 100 to 150 a day, most time i make 400 a day do the math.

There no way i would try and work my way up pass 10000 at any online casino, they look at u crazy in vegas if you win that much.

mary if you won like that in fun mode drop a quick 1000 in a rtg casino and make a quick 100 bucks aday x 30 extra 3000 a month. That how a man from the hood think
What is your normal starting deposit. $20,$50, etc?

thanks
 

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jblack depends, at inetbet 300, if i dont work the free money they give me every money , work 20 bucks into over 1100, blew the free 20 this month.

avg 100 to 1000, depends how i did the pass month. i seen people flat be with 300 bank roll , at 25 to 50 a hand which is crazy to me, i take my time work it up then bet heavy. dont get greedy, quiet at 100 to 300. Cash out then start again the next day or move on to another casino. If you lose at a casino dont try to get your money back at the next.
 

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gamblinboi

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kniepm said:
I am considering signing up at Phoenician and claiming the 50% bonus but have a couple of doubts. Any input from the forum would be appreciated.

First, I have been identified as a "bonus abuser" at Windows Casino and Casino Extreme and have been disqualified from accepting bonuses. Does this increase the liklihood that, should I win at Phoenician, the bonus and winnings will be voided because I appear on some double secret probation list?

ol, windows and Extreme will classify anyone and their mother as bonus abusers as soon as you win. I don't think phoenician subscribes to that, and I dont think they care what some low life scum like Windows and Extreme think about you.

good luck at Phoenician ! :)
 

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