Well Here Are The Pirates Logs!!!

dalzilla

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"knowing allness"

"My connections in this case are far deep and wide; don't underestimate my knowing allness.

Permission requested to re-use the 'knowing allness" statement Casinomeister in my next conversation with my manager.

dal
 

jetset

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Jeez, Pirate - I hope you know what you're doing posting here again - remember how misunderstood your last attempt at being (posting) clever was?
 

rowmare

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jetset said:
Jeez, Pirate - I hope you know what you're doing posting here again - remember how misunderstood your last attempt at being (posting) clever was?

LoL
No Kidding! Listen to Jetset, Pirate.
I don't know if we could take it if this case was split open again....... :eek2:
 

rowmare

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mary said:
evileye, you're probably too young to remember when Real Programmers scorned using the mouse because it slowed them down in coding.

Keystrokes are more accurate than hitting mouse targets (aka buttons) on a screen.

Keystrokes are more ergonomic than mousing. (Fer you young folks out there, that means *less painful* playing video poker at 900 hands an hour.)

So, it's safe to assume that you used the keyboard when you played the game which showed the $1.5milllion [equivalent] win?

There are few games where I use the keyboard (hotkeys), such as counterstrike and broodwars, but I always use a mouse for the casino games - it is much easier.

Not that it makes any difference in regards to the C21 doo-hicky. Just playing the devil's advocate. ;)
 
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xianna

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It's easier for me, but I think it's because I'm more used to using the mouse. I'd have to practice a bit using the keyboard.

Easier is individual. It's what you're used to, I think.
 
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rowmare

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Yeah.
Frankly, I don't know what keys to use on casino games. I suppose if I did, it would be a lot easier than the mouse, once you got used to it.
 

mary

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No, I used the mouse. I didn't want to spend time figuring out how to assign keys to the buttons, but now that you mention it, maybe I should've looked in help...

I started playing without using the Wiz's strategy. Lost the $1.5 million and another million. Good thing I'm so rich! :cool:

I do prefer the keyboard for video poker; speed is good for a positive expectation game. C21 is sooooper streaky--up and down--but it's not positive expectation. It's fun, the Pirate won a lot, but with a cap on the maximum bet size it's not likely that his triumph will be repeated.
 

caruso

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I second the notion that this new flurry of cock-sure posts may not be well advised. However, he obviously has a very much clearer handle on the current situation than anyone else here and probably is now safe in the knowledge that the money is effectively in the bank, and so can post as freely - and cockily - as desired.

G2B - as usual, I'm being quite "real": the play logs are meaningless insofar as they give no information whatsoever on how to beat the game - I presume you understand this, that the only interest in the logs was to determine any possible foul play on his part, yes? However, there are many uninformed players who will believe that "patterns" that Pc21 detected and now has exposed in his logs are exploitable, and will be encouraged to try to emulate them - hopelessly. Phonecian know this is a pointless exercise, yet they hope to profiteer from the implicit fallacy: "play like Pc21 and you too can win."

Also, THESE logs aren't relevant or even interesting - it's the Hampton logs that were in question, from the potential cheating aspect and the sheer size of the win. The play at Phonecian was never contested - and for just 20K, why would it be? BFD.

I hope that clears it up.
 

mary

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I liked the log. There it was, a progression.

I won back my $2.5 million, won another $1million, and lost it all. Betting a progression of $10k-$20k-$40k-$80k-$160k-$320k

I invite all the skeptics to do that progression, use the Wizard's strategy, and you'll see streaks that would have been big winners if...

  • you really could bet that much, and
  • you really would bet that much.

I don't recommend it for anyone who is married.

It's all history now. Casinos that have been paying attention won't repeat Hampton's mistake.
 

islandmaan

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Pirate what are you doing????????? Unless you already recieved your money and have buried it in a whole somewhere you should sit back silently for your cash.

If you did get the cash take the family on a cruise and enjoy it, what you are doing now is opening up an already stinky can of worms. Just tring to give ya some good advice.
 

bethug

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progression, is what i use with a cap and i dont stay at one game, also i dont unless it intercasino try to win more than 5000.

on a few rtg casinos i cash out overy 50 bucks i make sometimes every 20, then start over like i have no money. Goal is to make 100 to 150 a day, most time i make 400 a day do the math.

There no way i would try and work my way up pass 10000 at any online casino, they look at u crazy in vegas if you win that much.

mary if you won like that in fun mode drop a quick 1000 in a rtg casino and make a quick 100 bucks aday x 30 extra 3000 a month. That how a man from the hood think
 

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bethug said:
progression, is what i use with a cap and i dont stay at one game, also i dont unless it intercasino try to win more than 5000.

on a few rtg casinos i cash out overy 50 bucks i make sometimes every 20, then start over like i have no money. Goal is to make 100 to 150 a day, most time i make 400 a day do the math.

There no way i would try and work my way up pass 10000 at any online casino, they look at u crazy in vegas if you win that much.

mary if you won like that in fun mode drop a quick 1000 in a rtg casino and make a quick 100 bucks aday x 30 extra 3000 a month. That how a man from the hood think

What is your normal starting deposit. $20,$50, etc?

thanks
 

bethug

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jblack depends, at inetbet 300, if i dont work the free money they give me every money , work 20 bucks into over 1100, blew the free 20 this month.

avg 100 to 1000, depends how i did the pass month. i seen people flat be with 300 bank roll , at 25 to 50 a hand which is crazy to me, i take my time work it up then bet heavy. dont get greedy, quiet at 100 to 300. Cash out then start again the next day or move on to another casino. If you lose at a casino dont try to get your money back at the next.
 

kniepm

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I am considering signing up at Phoenician and claiming the 50% bonus but have a couple of doubts. Any input from the forum would be appreciated.

First, I have been identified as a "bonus abuser" at Windows Casino and Casino Extreme and have been disqualified from accepting bonuses. Does this increase the liklihood that, should I win at Phoenician, the bonus and winnings will be voided because I appear on some double secret probation list?

Second, I've never accepted an offer of a "sticky" bonus, which the Phoenician's appears to be. The strategy I would consider is depositing $500, receiving $250 "sticky bonus," Playing through the required level of play at my usual level of play ($10 - $50 progression), then cashing out any amount over $250, then playing the bonus at increased amounts ($50 flat bets) and either cashing out each $250 in winnings I reach or draining the bonus amount trying.

Any thoughts would be appreciated.
 

gamblinboi

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kniepm said:
I am considering signing up at Phoenician and claiming the 50% bonus but have a couple of doubts. Any input from the forum would be appreciated.

First, I have been identified as a "bonus abuser" at Windows Casino and Casino Extreme and have been disqualified from accepting bonuses. Does this increase the liklihood that, should I win at Phoenician, the bonus and winnings will be voided because I appear on some double secret probation list?


ol, windows and Extreme will classify anyone and their mother as bonus abusers as soon as you win. I don't think phoenician subscribes to that, and I dont think they care what some low life scum like Windows and Extreme think about you.

good luck at Phoenician ! :)
 

jpm

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Those casinos consider me a 'bonus abuser' but I had no problems at Phoenician (other than not winning a dime).
 

portia

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Phoenicians is A1. Fire away. Fastest i'd ever been paid. Great Service.
 

pooter1

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This seems to be a good stratejy Bethug. It is fairly easy to get 25 bucks ahead. When you cash the money out assuming you use neteller? is there a percentage that they take for depositing or does casino pay that?

I have signed up for neteller but never used it yet, but seeing all the fees for depositing and removing was just wondering how it works.




bethug said:
progression, is what i use with a cap and i dont stay at one game, also i dont unless it intercasino try to win more than 5000.

on a few rtg casinos i cash out overy 50 bucks i make sometimes every 20, then start over like i have no money. Goal is to make 100 to 150 a day, most time i make 400 a day do the math.

There no way i would try and work my way up pass 10000 at any online casino, they look at u crazy in vegas if you win that much.

mary if you won like that in fun mode drop a quick 1000 in a rtg casino and make a quick 100 bucks aday x 30 extra 3000 a month. That how a man from the hood think
 

aceinhole21

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pooter1 said:
This seems to be a good stratejy Bethug. It is fairly easy to get 25 bucks ahead. When you cash the money out assuming you use neteller? is there a percentage that they take for depositing or does casino pay that?

Gimme a break! All these systems are worthless: bethugs, Pirates, Mary's, etc. Pirate was just one lucky sonofabitch, with a cast-iron stomach to bet $10,000 a hand, and they pulled the plug before he could lose any of it back.

The only real system is as follows: find a place with a nice bonus with good terms (like Phoenician's), deposit as much as you need to get the max bonus, then play a low edge game like blackjack or pontoon for the minimum playthrough then cash out. You won't make Pirate's million doing this, but this is the only way to get an edge.
 

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pooter1 said:
This seems to be a good stratejy Bethug. It is fairly easy to get 25 bucks ahead.

Yes, it is fairly easy to get 25 bucks ahead. On most games it is even easier to lose $25. If this were not the case then the casinos, whether online or land-based, would not stay in business. You cannot change the fact that if you play a negative expectation game, you will lose money on average. All these systems can do is to change the distribution, instead of an approximately normal distribution that would be the outcome of flatbetting, you can get a big chance of a small win and a small chance of a big loss, or a small chance of a big win and the big chance of a small loss.
 

jpm

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Not to mention that for some odd reason, you tend to do so much better on the try-before-you-play-for-real games than when you are playing with real money. I wonder why that is??? ;-)
 

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jpm said:
Not to mention that for some odd reason, you tend to do so much better on the try-before-you-play-for-real games than when you are playing with real money. I wonder why that is??? ;-)
I never noticed this. Once I set MG Viper to play several thousand hands of blackjack, baccarat and video poker in fun mode to collect statistics. It did not seem different from real money play, and I certainly had some bad losing sessions in video poker.
 

mary

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My point is, not that the Pirate has discovered a wonderful winning system that will work for everybody, but that his win was not as impossible or unlikely as was first believed. The casinos were relying on this belief as their evidence that he had somehow cheated them. The casinos were wrong and attempting to mislead players and webmasters with these assertions.

It was more likely than an equal win in Blackjack.

Now that the maximum bet is lower (as low as $5 at Bodog) it is very unlikely. Pirate got up to $10-$20k a hand. That's not going to happen again.

Pirate's win was unusual, but not impossible; this is another case of a casino taking action they could not handle, hoping the gambler would lose it all back. When that didn't happen, they attempted the casino equivalent of a "chargeback". Accusing the player of being a criminal.

Not unlike players who make a charge back on their credit cards---accusing the offshore casinos of conducting illegal gambling... :what:
 

jetset

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Michael Staw's reported comment on the Hampton scandal follows - interesting, coming from someone who remained carefully silent throughout the event (I still give kudos to RTG for coming in with Mike McMain at a critical stage btw)

"Michael Staw, President of RealTime Gaming said he was pleased that the two warring factions had come to a satisfactory agreement stating: Were happy that everything was settled amicablythis is a good example of how the gaming industry can self-regulate and still serve players best interests.


We did extensive testing of game functionality, and found that the game had not been compromised, and was working properly. Its pretty simple, really. Hampton had a skilled player who was daring enough to play at high limits, and it paid off, said Staw."
 

jetset

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And coincidentally, this is just up at 911:

03.12.04 (10:48 pm EST) - Management of Hampton Casino admits to others in industry that they found no robot in matter that involved $1.3 million dollar win, but claim it was software glitch with Caribbean 21 game.

We're trying to get more detail
 
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