Was Wondering...RTP/STATS

[bvu2011]

Just wondering if this is decent for the amount of deposits and spins?

Are these stats good?

Deposits - 7660.72

Spins - 183,560

Percetage - 90.82

????

 

[AC7X]

Fairly standard I'd say.

 

[bvu2011]

Fairly standard I'd say.

Thats awful then...Glad I only chose to try it for a couple of years If I did that ever 2 months I would not have a place to live LOL

 

[Nate]

Not the best at all BUT I have seen worse...

Software?

Nate

 

[X-Raided]

Not the best at all BUT I have seen worse...

Software?

Nate

My gut instinct says it's 3Dice

 

[Balthazar]

90% RTP on 183k spins is poor.

 

[mrmark21]

RTG?

Yeah i'd say that's pretty poor.

 

[chuchu59]

Quite poor to very poor. Much worse if there are no are bonuses taken.

 

[sfcat]

just wondering

On the subject of RTP, has anyone ever seen numbers for the individual games?
Haven't run across a site like that.

 

[Nifty29]

I don't understand why some are saying these stats are so poor considering most slots have several million combinations, 154k spins yielding ~91% is actually pretty reasonable, particularly if they are high variance, and especially so if progressive.

Realistically, without hitting the very highest payout (e.g. 5 wilds on IR wild desire etc) or the progressive jackpot, your results will pretty much never be higher than the TRTP minus 1.5-3% over the medium to long term.

 

[chuchu59]

I don't understand why some are saying these stats are so poor considering most slots have several million combinations, 154k spins yielding ~91% is actually pretty reasonable, particularly if they are high variance, and especially so if progressive.

Realistically, without hitting the very highest payout (e.g. 5 wilds on IR wild desire etc) or the progressive jackpot, your results will pretty much never be higher than the TRTP minus 1.5-3% over the medium to long term.

With over 180 000 spins it is reasonable to expect an RTP of something close to 95% which would have rendered the OP to suffer a loss of at least a thousand quid depending on the bet size. Actually when players expect the RTP over a sizable number of spins to exceed 90% it bodes well for the industry as players have trust in being dealt a fair game unlike B & M casinos where the RTP is or was much lower. In the old days it was no fun pulling the slots in Macau as you are guaranteed to lose. With a 100 dollar bill you are most likely to get $50 or less after you have played 1x.

 

[Nifty29]

With over 180 000 spins it is reasonable to expect an RTP of something close to 95% which would have rendered the OP to suffer a loss of at least a thousand quid depending on the bet size. Actually when players expect the RTP over a sizable number of spins to exceed 90% it bodes well for the industry as players have trust in being dealt a fair game unlike B & M casinos where the RTP is or was much lower. In the old days it was no fun pulling the slots in Macau as you are guaranteed to lose. With a 100 dollar bill you are most likely to get $50 or less after you have played 1x.

I disagree.

Given most slots have a few million combinations, 180k is less than 10% of available results, which isn't a huge amount at all.

TRTP is all about large numbers.

The stats show his results haven't been wonderful, but they're not horrible either. Certainly not "very poor".

 

[bvu2011]

I disagree.

Given most slots have a few million combinations, 180k is less than 10% of available results, which isn't a huge amount at all.

TRTP is all about large numbers.

The stats show his results haven't been wonderful, but they're not horrible either. Certainly not "very poor".

Poor enough for me personally to end online gambling! LOL

 

[mrmark21]

Poor enough for me personally to end online gambling! LOL

Yeah but which casino is this at? IMO you cant base that kind of decision on youre play at one casino. For example some RTG casinos and Intercasino (and i'd assume there would be some others) theoretical return to player are set at around 90% so that would be considered normal. Depends on the casino and games.

My RTP at 32Red is 120%

 

[Balthazar]

I disagree.

Given most slots have a few million combinations, 180k is less than 10% of available results, which isn't a huge amount at all.

TRTP is all about large numbers.

The stats show his results haven't been wonderful, but they're not horrible either. Certainly not "very poor".

180k spins is generally enough spins to get you within 2%-3% of the TRTP, at worse. Now of course if he was playing progressive slots, 90% RTP could be in that 2%-3% range.

 

[bvu2011]

180k spins is generally enough spins to get you within 2%-3% of the TRTP, at worse. Now of course if he was playing progressive slots, 90% RTP could be in that 2%-3% range.

Hmmm, here is how dingy I am, and by the way I am a lady:notworthy lol

But, what is the difference between RTP and TRTP?

 

[Balthazar]

Hmmm, here is how dingy I am, and by the way I am a lady:notworthy lol

But, what is the difference between RTP and TRTP?

I'm sorry about the gender confusion

RTP is your return (in your case 90.82%) while the TRTP is the Theoretical RTP (what you're "supposed" to get on the long run). The TRTP on online slots is usually between 94% and 98%.

 

[chuchu59]

Hmmm, here is how dingy I am, and by the way I am a lady:notworthy lol

But, what is the difference between RTP and TRTP?

The former is the actual RTP and the latter is the Theoretical RTP. Say you have a slot that should give you a TRTP of 95% but in say 1000 spins it could give you an actual RTP of 60% especially if the slot is of high variance. That said, I am not an expert at this and hope other members can shed more light on this.

 

[bvu2011]

I'm sorry about the gender confusion

RTP is your return (in your case 90.82%) while the TRTP is the Theoretical RTP (what you're "supposed" to get on the long run). The TRTP on online slots is usually between 95% and 98%.

Its ok And I did not know the word Theoretical was used, I always heard the quote "conspiracy theory" if someone thought something was wrong with a slot or anything else with a casino.

 

[bvu2011]

Do most people base their RTP as a whole at a casino, or by their deposits and RTP given a time-frame? Or, is it a personal preference?

 

[bvu2011]

Yeah but which casino is this at? IMO you cant base that kind of decision on youre play at one casino. For example some RTG casinos and Intercasino (and i'd assume there would be some others) theoretical return to player are set at around 90% so that would be considered normal. Depends on the casino and games.

My RTP at 32Red is 120%

It is 3Dice mrmark!! But the stats I have posted are from a particular time-frame, not overall RTP.

I will be requesting my overall RTP today.

 

[chuchu59]

Do most people base their RTP as a whole at a casino, or by their deposits and RTP given a time-frame? Or, is it a personal preference?

It varies. Depends on what you want to know. You could say I want to know last month's RTP and you should be given that. As long as you specify the time frame the casino could normally give you that. I know 3 Dice and RTG casinos can do that while MG casinos ask you to do it yourself by using Playcheck. Or you can devise an Excel program and work it out yourself like KK does.

 

[mrmark21]

It is 3Dice mrmark!! But the stats I have posted are from a particular time-frame, not overall RTP.

I will be requesting my overall RTP today.

Oh so it's not overall. You should ask, you may be surprised. I've had my best luck at 32 Red and my overall RTP reflects that, there have been some weeks when my RTP has been ridiculously low though and I've needed to look at the bigger picture. Also you dont know whats going to happen tomorrow you could decide to up youre bet and hit five wilds. There have been many times when I've said I'm going to stop playing online and then got a big win. Maybe you could try a different software?

Also regarding youre other question, it's a matter of prefrence but i base mine on my overall RTP.

 

[Nifty29]

FYI...

TRTP is not what we are "supposed to get" after playing for a while etc. It actually has little to do with the player in terms of purpose. It is a absolute necessity for the operator to know the TRTP of their games, as they're profit relies on it. In fact, the operator can fairly accurately know over time what % of profit will be made, because they are working with the total number of spins by all players added together which amounts to a huge number....and since mathematics (LLN) tells us that the more spins that occur the more the results gravitate towards the TRTP, the casino can safely formulate promotions etc whilst still making money.

For the player, TRTP is a far less relevant number in terms of actual results, as the individual does not play anywhere near enough spins to the point where LLN comes into play. Hence, it is really only an INDICATOR to use in a comparative capacity to assist in choosing games that "pay better", and particularly so when taking bonuses. A TRTP of 95% is by no means a guarantee that your personal RTP will be 95% in the short to medium term, and even in the long term. Its why I said that 91% over 154000 spins on (we assume) a 95% slot is really not as bad as people think. If it is RTG, then you need to deduct 1.5 - 2% if you don't hit a random jackpot, as this is the amount they contribute to the TRTP of the slot.....deduct the highest possible payout on the actual game (if you haven't hit it) you can deduct another 1-2%.

So, assuming that you don't hit a random jackpot, and the highest possible payout (which is quite normal), then 91% is about right.

Its quite possible the OPs RTP might be 93-95% after another 50-100k spins, and then others would say "well that's okay". It may be that his RTP was 97% at 100k spins....who knows? The point I'm making is that the total spins is still too low to be making decisions about ones gaming future IMO.

I think some people have unrealistic expectations because they see TRTP as a solid point of reference by which they judge their personal results, whereas it really is not.

 

[dunover]

The OP has had a less than good RTP to date but not awful. Just about reflects the variance of 3Dice. If you read Chopley's run on Arctic Queen whereby over 30,000 spins he was at 83% then that is pretty bad as he's deposited over 1k there with no cashouts, although he played a few others too. That is a miserable run. Yours is nothing extraordinary, OP.

Now note Chopley had a 1400-1 hit on Arctic Queen yesterday, and that alone brought his RTP to date up by 7% to a very similar level to yours. Still not great as he's still well under the TRTP as indeed you are, but it demonstrates over time the longer you play you will generally recover a bit if well under, or tail off if well over. As Nifty said there are millions of outcomes which a relatively small amount of play will not demonstrate.

So, to summarize, your RTP is a deposit-eroding sort of figure where you are getting playtime but not probably seeing any significant profits at any point on each deposit to enable a decent w/d - ask Chopley!

 

[jstrike]

We've always posted daily RTPs, searchable by date, and then also the total over time. This is because (I kind of hate to admit it) some of the games I've designed actually have an unknown expected RTP. I know within about 2 percentage points, but the games are so complicated that it would take a supercomputer to simulate out the real RTP depending on the player's skill level.

In practice, over time the four slots we have, have paid 91.97%, 93.42%, 101.17% and 105.28% over the last two years. The two lower ones should actually pay just shy of 96% -- that's how they're designed -- but only with optimal play. That is, knowing when to take a bonus, and how to choose your payout table. Because players don't always take or ignore certain options at the right time, they aren't playing optimally, so our real RTP from those is lower than the expected RTP. The EV+ ones there are progressive, and they came out EV+ because (1) we've chosen to reload the jackpots heavily when people hit them, and (2) a mistake in the math when I designed the games actually made one of them insanely EV+ in the first month or two. So at first it was actually paying 400% if you did the exact right thing in the right situation, which someone figured out and we fixed after we paid his winnings.

Having said that, you asked about listing RTPs over a span of time. We do this, but you should know that daily, monthly and total real RTPs can be very inaccurate. For example, on a slow day, if you have a few players making dozens of $0.05 roulette bets, you might see a swing between 93% and 103% RTP. But if one big player comes in and lays $100 on the board to box a number, and hits that number, you could see some crazy overall RTP of 3000% for the day. That doesn't mean it's true over time. Even the records from a few million plays isn't always enough to show the true RTP of a game.

 

[bvu2011]

Your overall RTP since joining 4/8/2011 - 6/16/2013 is 92.03%

 

[sfcat]

My RTP

Do most people base their RTP as a whole at a casino, or by their deposits and RTP given a time-frame? Or, is it a personal preference?

I base it on Game and Casino. Some RTG games are quite reliable, others are horrid.
Some casinos are bleah and some have been very good. I like Inetbet quite a lot.

Have I lost there? Yes, lost some at all of them.

Cat

 

[Nifty29]

Your overall RTP since joining 4/8/2011 - 6/16/2013 is 92.03%

Actually, that's with the range of normal, and not that bad.....not particularly great, but not bad.

One thing that 3Dice will provide that most others don't is the game-by-game RTP breakdown for players. It often shows a nasty result on one slot and a really great one on another, and shows how it all balances out in the end even though different games are played.

 

[jstrike]

Actually, that's with the range of normal, and not that bad.....not particularly great, but not bad.

One thing that 3Dice will provide that most others don't is the game-by-game RTP breakdown for players. It often shows a nasty result on one slot and a really great one on another, and shows how it all balances out in the end even though different games are played.

I think that's a cool feature... like, from a tech perspective... but no one should base future performance on something like that. I mean, either way. A lower-than-expected RTP doesn't mean your luck is going to turn around, and higher than expected doesn't mean it's going to last. No one player can ever play enough, in almost any game, to hit the real RTP on the nose. In ten years a casino still won't have exactly the same RTP as the expected. The expected RTP is just a theoretical number, as far as any individual player is concerned. It's important for people to understand how this works so they don't get fooled by seeing 92% when they should have 95%, and then thinking that they "have wins coming". It don't work that way.

 

[bvu2011]

Well, even after these posts I still did not find any entertainment value in it.. Hence, my original post was a two month stretch in which was a roller coaster ride ( a tease) all the way to zero. In one slot, I had over 16k in spins and when my balance had zeroed out someone went in and won thousands. I am not saying it was wrong, but the same player won 10k, 10k, 15k and even more during the same stretch. So I guess this is where an individual will see their RTP at 3000% while I see myself as the helper lol

 

[bvu2011]

Thanks for all the insight and education on RTP/TRTP's!!

Donna

 

[cpdnd31]

I think and stop me if I'm wrong. To get your actual stats you would need to know total deposits, total withdrawals and spins. There was a formula I used years ago to judge my game play..I know i'm missing something, just can't remember its been so long.

Example you could have deposited lets say 10 grand, spun 500 thousand times and withdrew 7 grand total. This would be above average if I remember correct.

I'm trying to remember what computer I had all the math crap on now as I type this - it's gonna bug the hell out of me. LOL

 

[bvu2011]

I think and stop me if I'm wrong. To get your actual stats you would need to know total deposits, total withdrawals and spins. There was a formula I used years ago to judge my game play..I know i'm missing something, just can't remember its been so long.

Example you could have deposited lets say 10 grand, spun 500 thousand times and withdrew 7 grand total. This would be above average if I remember correct.

I'm trying to remember what computer I had all the math crap on now as I type this - it's gonna bug the hell out of me. LOL

Well I believe you already no better since you have played at 3Dice for years??? All of the above count, but I do not like including my withdraws because if I decide to put part of my money in the safe while playing it counts as a withdraw whether I LITERALLY withdraw it or not. And when you ask 3Dice for your stats they will give you all of what you just said. I would have thought this would have been important to you that one time you closed your 3Dice account?

However, that is personal, just thought personal stats would be part of the decision-making process of those deciding not to play at a casino, or not. Or it could be someone having enough overhead (money lol) that it does not matter whether they win or lose, but they enjoy the entertainment value.

I have decided I enjoy neither at this casino. And really, this is all educational for me and for the last two years I have found this casino is not for me. Personal choice/opinion of course.

 

[cpdnd31]

Well I believe you already no better since you have played at 3 Dice for years??? All of the above count, but I do not like including my withdraws because if I decide to put part of my money in the safe while playing it counts as a withdraw whether I LITERALLY withdraw it or not. And when you ask 3Dice for your stats they will give you all of what you just said. I would have thought this would have been important to you that one time you closed your 3Dice account?

However, that is personal, just thought personal stats would be part of the decision-making process of those deciding not to play at a casino, or not. Or it could be someone having enough overhead (money lol) that it does not matter whether they win or lose, but they enjoy the entertainment value.

I have decided I enjoy neither at this casino. And really, this is all educational for me and for the last two years I have found this casino is not for me. Personal choice/opinion of course.

OK you lost me. This is Casinomeister not 3dice. You were asking advice on how to get your stats. I replied that I had a formula I used a long time ago that I could judge how I was doing at a casino. I would do it monthly, at every casino I played.

Now that being said I don't know what happened at 3dice. It's not my business. If you are that upset about something talk to max about a pab. have them look into it for you. If you feel there is a {conspiracy theory} going on talk to them.

Now as far as me taking a break from 3 dice yes I did. There were many reasons why. 1st my son was extremely sick. I needed to do a lot of research on what I was being told. 2nd. I could not relax when I was gaming do to all that was going on. 3rd I have been a long time gamer. I have a gambling acct. When funds reach a certain level in that acct I take a break until I build those funds up again. I was on a losing streak at 3 dice. So I took my break like every well maintained gambler does.. See when you win it's real easy to ride the high and spend more. I don't I budget back into my gaming acct and the rest I have fun with or buy something. Not many gamblers can do this. the high gets to them . When I lose I stop myself, I have taught myself not to chase and when I feel I am I take a break. The last reason I took a break from 3 dice was I didn't know what was going on with son, so I thought the extra 10 grand in my gaming acct could be needed if necessary.

Now my son is better, I am back at 3dice and I have fun. Do I lose yes but I lose what I have budgeted out so it doesn't bother me as much as it may bother others.

As far as how people pick a casino, I would say many choose by the games themselves. I love micro gaming my god I miss it. I loved jackpot capital but the laws have stopped me from playing there.

I chose 3 dice because I like the environment. The staff there are very nice, the people in chat I love laughing with and making them laugh. Is it an illusion? Sure it is but if I can afford to gamble then I don't care about the illusion. The other reason I choose 3 Dice that dam slotro slot I don't know why but I am so addicted. I'm trying to beat my all time high score on there and I will do it dam it lol.

Another way people choose casinos especially USA players is : Are they trustworthy. That's a big one. The casinos I spend my money at I feel safe knowing if I win I will get paid. I also do my research. If I see a casino I play at have a slow pay complaint on any of the forums I watch I will stop depositing until the situation is cleared up. First for my safety and 2nd out of respect for the player who is having trouble.

But to each their own I guess. I hope this helped. If not feel free to pm me and I am more then happy to help you with any questions you may have.

My last thought is just because you see me at 3 dice does not mean I don't have my lap top open playing at 3 other casinos while my desk top is running my poker games. LOL

Yes I enjoy gaming !

 

[bvu2011]

lol...nevermind wow

 

[cpdnd31]

What you asked my reasons and I gave them to ya!!!

 

[blonde]

Well I believe you already no better since you have played at 3Dice for years??? All of the above count, but I do not like including my withdraws because if I decide to put part of my money in the safe while playing it counts as a withdraw whether I LITERALLY withdraw it or not. And when you ask 3Dice for your stats they will give you all of what you just said. I would have thought this would have been important to you that one time you closed your 3Dice account?

However, that is personal, just thought personal stats would be part of the decision-making process of those deciding not to play at a casino, or not. Or it could be someone having enough overhead (money lol) that it does not matter whether they win or lose, but they enjoy the entertainment value.

I have decided I enjoy neither at this casino. And really, this is all educational for me and for the last two years I have found this casino is not for me. Personal choice/opinion of course.

Hi Donna,

You are right with all monies moved back and forth from the safe is counted even as deposits... I got my total or lifetime deposits and about died cuz I know I did not deposit that much and I didn't, this includes tourney wins, and all monies moved from safe including rainy day.

 

[bvu2011]

OK you lost me. This is Casinomeister not 3dice. You were asking advice on how to get your stats. I replied that I had a formula I used a long time ago that I could judge how I was doing at a casino. I would do it monthly, at every casino I played.

Now that being said I don't know what happened at 3dice. It's not my business. If you are that upset about something talk to max about a pab. have them look into it for you. If you feel there is a {conspiracy theory} going on talk to them.

Now as far as me taking a break from 3 dice yes I did. There were many reasons why. 1st my son was extremely sick. I needed to do a lot of research on what I was being told. 2nd. I could not relax when I was gaming do to all that was going on. 3rd I have been a long time gamer. I have a gambling acct. When funds reach a certain level in that acct I take a break until I build those funds up again. I was on a losing streak at 3 dice. So I took my break like every well maintained gambler does.. See when you win it's real easy to ride the high and spend more. I don't I budget back into my gaming acct and the rest I have fun with or buy something. Not many gamblers can do this. the high gets to them . When I lose I stop myself, I have taught myself not to chase and when I feel I am I take a break. The last reason I took a break from 3 dice was I didn't know what was going on with son, so I thought the extra 10 grand in my gaming acct could be needed if necessary.

Now my son is better, I am back at 3dice and I have fun. Do I lose yes but I lose what I have budgeted out so it doesn't bother me as much as it may bother others.

As far as how people pick a casino, I would say many choose by the games themselves. I love micro gaming my god I miss it. I loved jackpot capital but the laws have stopped me from playing there.

I chose 3 dice because I like the environment. The staff there are very nice, the people in chat I love laughing with and making them laugh. Is it an illusion? Sure it is but if I can afford to gamble then I don't care about the illusion. The other reason I choose 3 Dice that dam slotro slot I don't know why but I am so addicted. I'm trying to beat my all time high score on there and I will do it dam it lol.

Another way people choose casinos especially USA players is : Are they trustworthy. That's a big one. The casinos I spend my money at I feel safe knowing if I win I will get paid. I also do my research. If I see a casino I play at have a slow pay complaint on any of the forums I watch I will stop depositing until the situation is cleared up. First for my safety and 2nd out of respect for the player who is having trouble.

But to each their own I guess. I hope this helped. If not feel free to pm me and I am more then happy to help you with any questions you may have.

My last thought is just because you see me at 3 dice does not mean I don't have my lap top open playing at 3 other casinos while my desk top is running my poker games. LOL

Yes I enjoy gaming !

Sorry I have NO reason to PM you...

My stats are my stats and yours are yours. I said thanks to everyone who educated me on them. So maybe they can answer your question? I just thought since you have been at 3dice for a long time and a gamer, you would already know the answer to your own question.

 

[cpdnd31]

OK I kinda feel like this is a personal attack of some sort? What was my ? I was answering yours. LOL

 

[bvu2011]

Hi Donna,

You are right with all monies moved back and forth from the safe is counted even as deposits... I got my total or lifetime deposits and about died cuz I know I did not deposit that much and I didn't, this includes tourney wins, and all monies moved from safe including rainy day.

Hi Tanya,

I noticed the deposits too. So when I asked for my life-time stats they were way off comparative to my stats for two months of play. It said I deposited more in two months than I did with my life-time of play LOL

 

[bigjohn]

Donna, it is clear from your posts on the 3Dice forum that you are not happy there. Probably best not to play where you are not happy.

There are a lot of people, myself included, that are very happy with 3Dice.

In the end the numbers don't matter, it's your personal feeling about the place that matters.

It almost seems like you have a vendetta against them but you are not likely to change other peoples opinions based on your stats.

 

[bvu2011]

Donna, it is clear from your posts on the 3Dice forum that you are not happy there. Probably best not to play where you are not happy.

There are a lot of people, myself included, that are very happy with 3Dice.

In the end the numbers don't matter, it's your personal feeling about the place that matters.

It almost seems like you have a vendetta against them but you are not likely to change other peoples opinions based on your stats.

No, I am not happy there, but that does not mean I cannot question my stats to see if I am delusional. And even if I do not play there I will still post here to gain knowledge of gambling itself, I find it very interesting.

And vendetta is hardly the word, but exploring and learning about gambling when I have found the last two years of my online gambling experience to be nonetheless questionable. I do not find a reason for me to be quiet and not be inquisitive of my own thoughts and that in which his historically noted within these forums.

And the numbers may not matter to you, but they may for someone else? I am trying to see where I am getting confused, so sorry if you see it another way. If you feel like I am trying to change your mind sorry. I just thought my RTP was very low for what it says for my deposits and thank you to those who have not detoured away from the context of my original post.

 

[LHofsdal]

If you are trying to educate yourself, you have come to the right place! I have learned so much from this forum.

As for 3dice, I have said this many times, it is not for everyone. It is just that simple. Do I like the games, some yes, others I would rather watch paint dry. But for me, it is the customer service that keeps me there. No one (for a US player) comes close to their level of customer service.

As with any online casino, you win some, you lose more. It is no different at 3dice then an RTG casino. Yes I have won at 3dice, but I have lost too. I take it as is and don't look into it any further. As for players winning thousands, I am happy for them. But you know if they are winning that much they are betting high, because the low better, winning 14 cents or 28 cents at a time when betting 1.20 or 1.40 USD will never see that amount. I am happy with my wins, just as I am when I lose. I know that I can not win every time, and when I do win there, it is hassle free.

As for your stats, you have every right to ask about them. But in all reality, if you are not being entertained at 3dice, then maybe you should leave. It is not in your best interest to keep depositing there and getting more frustrated. It just makes you feel worse and even more unhappy. Is it worth it? That is the question you need to ask yourself. If the word "NO" is the first thing that pops into your head, it is time to move on. And there is nothing wrong with being unhappy at 3dice, take a break, leave it alone for a while, or forever. No one can make that decision, only you can.

No matter what decision you make, I wish you the best and hope you find a place to make you happy and keeps you entertained.

All the best,
LH

 

[bvu2011]

If you are trying to educate yourself, you have come to the right place! I have learned so much from this forum.

As for 3dice, I have said this many times, it is not for everyone. It is just that simple. Do I like the games, some yes, others I would rather watch paint dry. But for me, it is the customer service that keeps me there. No one (for a US player) comes close to their level of customer service.

As with any online casino, you win some, you lose more. It is no different at 3dice then an RTG casino. Yes I have won at 3dice, but I have lost too. I take it as is and don't look into it any further. As for players winning thousands, I am happy for them. But you know if they are winning that much they are betting high, because the low better, winning 14 cents or 28 cents at a time when betting 1.20 or 1.40 USD will never see that amount. I am happy with my wins, just as I am when I lose. I know that I can not win every time, and when I do win there, it is hassle free.

As for your stats, you have every right to ask about them. But in all reality, if you are not being entertained at 3dice, then maybe you should leave. It is not in your best interest to keep depositing there and getting more frustrated. It just makes you feel worse and even more unhappy. Is it worth it? That is the question you need to ask yourself. If the word "NO" is the first thing that pops into your head, it is time to move on. And there is nothing wrong with being unhappy at 3dice, take a break, leave it alone for a while, or forever. No one can make that decision, only you can.

No matter what decision you make, I wish you the best and hope you find a place to make you happy and keeps you entertained.

All the best,
LH

Thank you LH.

I have stopped depositing and now playing out the VIP tournaments then I am done. I think my enjoyment will be found by pursuing my career, just not happening soon enough! But as I said I have found the whole online gaming experience to be something like none other lol And one that I have brought here to discuss because there is an array of knowledge and perspectives; as well as the many questions, concerns and observations I have as a customer. Heck, I could find enjoyment here at CM and/or just as a career student with regard for my passion of learning and wondering why people or things do what they do!

Thank you for the well wishes and same to you, moreover, thank you for being objective

Donna

 

[Nifty29]

Well I believe you already no better since you have played at 3Dice for years??? All of the above count, but I do not like including my withdraws because if I decide to put part of my money in the safe while playing it counts as a withdraw whether I LITERALLY withdraw it or not. And when you ask 3Dice for your stats they will give you all of what you just said. I would have thought this would have been important to you that one time you closed your 3Dice account?

However, that is personal, just thought personal stats would be part of the decision-making process of those deciding not to play at a casino, or not. Or it could be someone having enough overhead (money lol) that it does not matter whether they win or lose, but they enjoy the entertainment value.

I have decided I enjoy neither at this casino. And really, this is all educational for me and for the last two years I have found this casino is not for me. Personal choice/opinion of course.

IMO you're being incredibly rude to people who are trying to help.

I for one won't be assisting you ever again.

Some people are so damn ungrateful.

 

[bvu2011]

IMO you're being incredibly rude to people who are trying to help.

I for one won't be assisting you ever again.

Some people are so damn ungrateful.

ok...and you are assuming I was being rude, which is rude of you. Sometimes things are misinterpreted. It shows throughout CM forums that cpdnd31 knows 3dice well, so like you, "I assumed" she would know how 3Dice present their stats to players?

 

[cpdnd31]

First off I do know how they show there stats, what does that have to do with how rude you are being to me and others who were trying to give our opinion? We and I are trying to help you. I have been on this forum for a long time and honestly I never had anyone respond to me this way. Just because I play at a casino does not mean I represent that casino. I gave you logical explanations of everything and you turned them around for your own purpose. You don't have to like me I really don't care but please respect me when we are on this forum. This is not a place for personal agendas and or to attack a accredited casino. I said if you have an issue start a pab. If not take the advice and say Thank you but to be rude does not help us and or make people here want to help you.

 

[bvu2011]

First off I do know how they show there stats, what does that have to do with how rude you are being to me and others who were trying to give our opinion? We and I are trying to help you. I have been on this forum for a long time and honestly I never had anyone respond to me this way. Just because I play at a casino does not mean I represent that casino. I gave you logical explanations of everything and you turned them around for your own purpose. You don't have to like me I really don't care but please respect me when we are on this forum. This is not a place for personal agendas and or to attack a accredited casino. I said if you have an issue start a pab. If not take the advice and say Thank you but to be rude does not help us and or make people here want to help you.

wow I dont even know what pab is or you so no thank you.

I appreciated the help and also still kept asking questions. I read many years of posts from here and you have a history of 3Dice, so like I said I "assumed" you knew about how their stats work. Sorry you misinterpreted my response as being rude, I just thought you would know.

However, if you have been on this forum for years then I now see maybe this is a place not to ask questions or make mistakes, but a place that those who have been here the longest have the right to treat others like crap? wow... just wow

 

[cpdnd31]

OK I'm gonna try this again a pab is a complaint where max and or Bryan but usually max will look into it. There is a thread you can read that explains it .. and comments like wow and wow don't help. I reported this thread to management so they can close it. This has gone from people trying to give you advice to me being smeared and accused of special privileges just because I have been here a long time. Rather then smear me and a casino I hope they close the thread.

How are we treating you like crap? We told you we were trying to help and you are being rude to us, for being treated like crap I'm still being nice and trying to explain what a pab is.