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[dionysus]

Will Casinomeister reflect the activities of Videoslots in their reviews and their status?

i think it will all come home to roost come cm noms

 

[goatwack]

"VS In Rogue Pit Shocker"

 

[colinsunderland]

No one likes the idea that could happen but TBH im sure VS wont be the only one doing this in months to come.

There were people saying that same comment when VS's reduced the RTP earlier in the year for UK etc. The only casino to have done it since then, that I'm aware of, are Videoslots.

 

[geordiecolin]

i think it will all come home to roost come cm noms

If only I could take that as true. History has not always reflected evidence

 

[nikantw]

BTW, it may be a glitch but I haven't seen that message they say they have when you open a game with lower RTP.
Or I misunderstood that?

 

[deleted_user-20231116]

Just out of interest if in say 6 months time you find all the other main casinos have lowered RTPs then what ? You going to boycott them and start going to land based?

No one likes the idea that could happen but TBH im sure VS wont be the only one doing this in months to come.

I personally live 1 hrs drive / train away from a land based casino and so im out of pocket before i even enter the casino and then faced with 90% slots, so for now I will stick with online, as my first tenner each day is technically a "free" punt to me using online.

I would just stop playing slots. I play to have a good time, usually at a bit lower stake to get some decent playtime out of my deposit. If that playtime starts getting shorter and shorter, i'll just be forced to stop because it's no longer fun.

I like to play Novomatics from time to time, and they usually have 95% RTP, not touching anything with 93% RTP.

 

[geordiecolin]

Once again. 91%. That is just from my very tiny look.

I have over £50 sitting in VS and I do not know if I want to play there any more

 

[Reelsoffun]

I would just stop playing slots. I play to have a good time, usually at a bit lower stake to get some decent playtime out of my deposit. If that playtime starts getting shorter and shorter, i'll just be forced to stop because it's no longer fun.

I like to play Novomatics from time to time, and they usually have 95% RTP, not touching anything with 93% RTP.

My local land based has novos 90% and 50p min

 

[geordiecolin]

My local land based has novos 90% and 50p min

So many land based

My local land based has novos 90% and 50p min

So many land based retailers have abandoned the highstreet because of the costs and overheads. Online casinos do not have those costs. Are all online casinos getting into mafia territory?

 

[Matti]

Once again. 91%. That is just from my very tiny look.

I have over £50 sitting in VS and I do not know if I want to play there any more

The RTP is lower on 5 providers out of 115. Perspective would be nice.

 

[geordiecolin]

The RTP is lower on 5 providers out of 115. Perspective would be nice.

Any respectable provider given this would provide the highest

The RTP is lower on 5 providers out of 115. Perspective would be nice.

 

[goatwack]

I think it's clear this marks 'the beginning of the end' in regards to respectably-high RTPs, across all casinos, not just VS. The good times are a-goin'

Without wanting to sound overly dramatic

 

[shadow123]

No way am I defending VS but they have no obligation to jnform players when rtp,s are changed, have
you even known any other casino to do so either here or on their website.
For reasons known only to them they have decided to slash the rtp,s but it's their choice as it is the players
choice whether to play at VS.Any serious players should check the rtp of games which ever casino they play at.

 

[colinsunderland]

No way am I defending VS but they have no obligation to jnform players when rtp,s are changed, have
you even known any other casino to do so either here or on their website.
For reasons known only to them they have decided to slash the rtp,s but it's their choice as it is the players
choice whether to play at VS.Any serious players should check the rtp of games which ever casino they play at.

I disagree with that. I check the RTP on any casino I play at for the first time, and rarely after that. I doubt anyone checks the RTP every time they open a slot or start a session just in case it's changed since the last time they played, especially if you play at the same casino daily.
If a casino changes anything that affects the players funds, they should inform them. I'll bet anything, if they were increasing the RTP it would be posted on every forum they use and all over the site.
As for have I ever known any other casino inform the players, I can honestly say I can't remember any other casino lowering the RTP on their games. Obviously there might be some who have, but I don't think I've ever known it. Which casinos have done?

 

[Harry_BKK]

So many land based

So many land based retailers have abandoned the highstreet because of the costs and overheads. Online casinos do not have those costs. Are all online casinos getting into mafia territory?

What you forget in all the cost malarkey is that an online casino caters for different jurisdictions, each with its own tax, fees, rules, regulations etc. That is a cost your local won't have.

Overall, I do not think it is much cheaper to run an online casino nowadays. It sure was in the Wild West times when the MGA licence was a mere smokescreen to convey legitimacy but wasn't doing much to actually regulate. Things have changed massively. E.g. all providers who offer their games to a MGA casino have to have a MGA licence. I am pretty sure, that extra cost has been handed down to the casino operators.

 

[deepsky2]

I have decided not to deposit or play at Videoslots for 1 month, this is to show them as a player I feel they have insulted their loyal players well me anyways and I have a voice and wallet and I'll reduce my % so watch out they may then reduce the RTP again! And never will play any slots with a reduced RTP on their site where it's available at higher% elsewhere.

 

[ternur]

I have three grocery stores I usually shop at. Which one I normally choose? The one with the best prices. The items I purchase are the same, the price is different. I don't mind waiting in line a little more in one shop, if they offer the same product at better price. One shop has a loyalty program which offers a small cashback on purchases. But it's smaller than the average discounts I get from the other store.

I like Play'n Go slots. If I get around 94% in one casino and around 96% in another one, the choice is clear.

VS has CoS, which is a joke for lowrollers. Weekly cashback is not that great. BoS are a nice if you've been lucky enough to wager enough to take part. But even they are not worth the wagering.

Reducing RTPs is in my opinion a wrong place to find savings. It's deteriorating a product which is available in so many other places. Makes little sense in the long run.

 

[steveh35]

So many land based

So many land based retailers have abandoned the highstreet because of the costs and overheads. Online casinos do not have those costs. Are all online casinos getting into mafia territory?

There used to be loads of high street casinos in Doncaster as @JGslots will tell you I think there are just three left now, used to be at least three Teddy's, a quicksilver, Hayes, and some really cheap nasty ones.

They obviously all went because of online so are we saying they could return as online gets tougher and it might be better for the consumer to have to go to a town or city, pay to park and have to sit in smelly dingy retail units just to get a slightly better SP?

 

[bamberfishcake]

Dear @Team.Videoslots

You know i love you and i dont know how i missed this one but i have to say I am a little disappointed.

Given you can get around 5% extra playing some games elsewhere ill be looking at other casinos rtp's to see how they compare.

Not because i want to but because with this knowledge, i would be stupid not to. I know a few others who will be following suit and also sad to do so.

I still have a hell of a lot of love for you Videoslots. I will never forget the jackpot wheel you gave me, transferred almost immediately! Smooth gameplay, fantastic selection of games (although it seems not as fantastic as before now) brilliant customer service and superb CM community involvement.

I must take this chance to say I have not only had great fun but great winnings on your site.

Please dont see this as an effort to sully our warm relationship, see it more like your just not my favourite child anymore and need to work hard to get back into my good books. Namely, one of the two following options:

1) Provide me with another Jackpot Wheel win.

2) Increase your RTP to match your leading competitors.

Its a shame i feel the need to look for a new #1, hopefully im not forced to make that transition.

 

[Reelsoffun]

There used to be loads of high street casinos in Doncaster as @JGslots will tell you I think there are just three left now, used to be at least three Teddy's, a quicksilver, Hayes, and some really cheap nasty ones.

They obviously all went because of online so are we saying they could return as online gets tougher and it might be better for the consumer to have to go to a town or city, pay to park and have to sit in smelly dingy retail units just to get a slightly better SP?

I think your confusing casinos with amusement arcades, they are very different places.

 

[Oscar Arnhem]

Also stopt playing @ videoslots,be happy with the extra 5%

Deposits
$ 57,908.54
Withdrawals
$ 36,386.70
Net
$ -21,521.84

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Where is the rtp to be found for Age of gods ruler of the sky? These last few slots mentioned are the two latest games in their new releases list. If I struggle finding them then your average jo will not likely simply stumble upon them.
But Videoslots "Are proud of our transparency"
Ok

Edit. I found it eventually. Wait for it....

91%
You try finding it after accessing the slot

91% less a 0.99% contribution to the progressives, that gives you an RTP on the main game of 90%.

Abominable stuff.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Just out of interest if in say 6 months time you find all the other main casinos have lowered RTPs then what ? You going to boycott them and start going to land based?

I'll just stop playing, I don't play at land based as it is, so I'll basically just stop gambling.

Ultimately I can take it or leave it, and there's no getting around the fact that a £100 deposit into an online casino would buy a couple of videogames such as The Outer Worlds, which offer tens if not hundreds of hours of incredible entertainment for a one-off purchase price of £50-£60.

 

[Harry_BKK]

91% less a 0.99% contribution to the progressives, that gives you an RTP on the main game of 90%.

Abominable stuff.

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I have the feeling you are all going into overdrive right now.

May I remind you that e.g. Mega Moolah has an RTP of appr. 88% for the default game and the rest goes to the jackpots. And we've all hammered one or the other in the series at some point in our "gambling career" without crying wolf. I venture to say that most didn't even know that it was that low.

I'll say it again, it depends where the RTP reduction is applied - main game, big wins, mega wins, hyper wins, volatility etc etc. A slot can be still fairly balanced and give you good playtime with a lower overall RTP.

Just to emphasize, I don't condone in any way or form the RTP reduction..... just sayin' that it is not the end of the world as some here put it.

 

[bamberfishcake]

Also stopt playing @ videoslots,be happy with the extra 5%

Couldnt 'like' the comment as thats one huge amount of money!

RTP on the main game of 90%.

Thats just shocking.....dont have 'shocked' emoji

I'll say it again, it depends where the RTP reduction is applied - main game, big wins, mega wins, hyper wins, volatility etc etc. A slot can be still fairly balanced and give you good playtime with a lower overall RTP.

So its about being educated on the games to find out which are the best on wagering. Must admit, regardless of the rtp reduction on playngo a while back their games still feel the same to me. I still jump ship when they dead spin for a short while.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

I have the feeling you are all going into overdrive right now.

May I remind you that e.g. Mega Moolah has an RTP of appr. 88% for the default game and the rest goes to the jackpots. And we've all hammered one or the other in the series at some point in our "gambling career" without crying wolf. I venture to say that most didn't even know that it was that low.

I'll say it again, it depends where the RTP reduction is applied - main game, big wins, mega wins, hyper wins, volatility etc etc. A slot can be still fairly balanced and give you good playtime with a lower overall RTP.

Just to emphasize, I don't condone in any way or form the RTP reduction..... just sayin' that it is not the end of the world as some here put it.

No one's saying it's the 'end of the world', but VS deciding to massively increase their house edge across multiple games and providers, without letting their customers know about it, is plain shady behaviour and IMO unbecoming of an accredited casino.

I'm fully aware of the RTPs on Mega Moolah and always have been, they're not games you play to try and have a fun session and decent playtime.

Yes it's still possible to put together a random game at 92% RTP and have it play reasonably well overall with careful maths design, but there's simply no getting around the raw numbers in play at VS now, and the impact it's going to have on a player's ability to enjoy reasonable playtime and make cashouts.

 

[dionysus]

I dunno; I've been saying it for awhile - and generally get slack for it

VS pays
VS is responsive
VS has a fantastic selection of slots

VS is NOT on par with other sites for customer loyalty
and if they receive a nod this year, it's more for....habit than a full tally, end of day

 

[mack341]

I'll just stop playing, I don't play at land based as it is, so I'll basically just stop gambling.

Ultimately I can take it or leave it, and there's no getting around the fact that a £100 deposit into an online casino would buy a couple of videogames such as The Outer Worlds, which offer tens if not hundreds of hours of incredible entertainment for a one-off purchase price of £50-£60.

I'm looking forward to your review of OW now Chopley

Back on topic I thought VS annual profit was in the hundred(s) of millions ?

If players are cutting back on what they spend slotting, which I think is the bigger issue for online casinos than taxes, these stealth rtp cuts won't work in the long run to improve that.

 

[geordiecolin]

91% less a 0.99% contribution to the progressives, that gives you an RTP on the main game of 90%.

Abominable stuff.

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I have to say that Videoslots have shocked me more than I should allow them too. I'm seriously considering making no more deposits and just playing out my rewards and battles until I no longer qualify then closing my account

 

[lotusch]

Once again. 91%. That is just from my very tiny look.

I have over £50 sitting in VS and I do not know if I want to play there any more

Edit, said what I wanted to say from a players perspective..

Mark

 

[nikantw]

TBH, I feel I have "invested" too much at VS and I want to "get paid" i.e. win a jackpot or a big money prize from a battle.

Besides I am ok with just MG, Netent, BTG, Blueprint and Thunderkick
For my Pragmatic I will go to Trada (on hold ATM) or N1....

 

[slot_zombie]

We are constantly having the message that playing slots is buying entertainment, not a means of making money, shoved down our throats.

Given that most mortals have a fixed gambling budget and play to their means, the only outcome of reducing RTP "should" be a reduction in play time achieved. Not an increase in profits. But in that case, why do it.

...unless the desired outcome could be to tilt certain players into spending ABOVE their means? Or take advantage of people unable to control their spending who want/need a certain amount of play time, regardless?

Hardly responsible gambling is it.

 

[bamberfishcake]

I dunno; I've been saying it for awhile - and generally get slack for it

VS pays
VS is responsive
VS has a fantastic selection of slots

VS is NOT on par with other sites for customer loyalty
and if they receive a nod this year, it's more for....habit than a full tally, end of day

You should not get slack for speaking your mind, just remember when you do that knowledge talks and wisdom listens.

I must say i get a fair amount of rewards i think from VS with the Thursday Madness, Weekend Booster, Battles and Wheels. Im not including the jackpot win because thats probably one in a mill but I dont have anything to compare to and i dont see as much attention on here for any other loyalty scheme but theirs.

I understand its not what it used to be but like ive said before (probably feel the same as you and your slack you get when i say this Dionysis) but who else gives as much reward?

We need a table showing deposit amounts and rewards given for each month.

I would still say they get a nod. They do a hell of a lot right and you can feel safe playing there. Considering Trada selectively bonus exclude and are number 1, Videoslots get a nod without question.

 

[Steviedoo]

No one's saying it's the 'end of the world', but VS deciding to massively increase their house edge across multiple games and providers, without letting their customers know about it, is plain shady behaviour and IMO unbecoming of an accredited casino.

I'm fully aware of the RTPs on Mega Moolah and always have been, they're not games you play to try and have a fun session and decent playtime.

Yes it's still possible to put together a random game at 92% RTP and have it play reasonably well overall with careful maths design, but there's simply no getting around the raw numbers in play at VS now, and the impact it's going to have on a player's ability to enjoy reasonable playtime and make cashouts.

They did let customers know. This is what set off this entire storm.

I opened up a red tiger game and a pop up came up telling me that the game has been updated.

I checked the rtp and saw it was at 93.17 I came on here and asked the team. And they confirmed it.

The pop up was their way of telling their customers.

I’m still playing at VS. Just not playing the games they lowered the rtp on.

They still have nice cash back.

Let’s all get a grip

 

[ChopleyIOM]

I didn't get any pop ups on any affected games to let me know that VS had decided to increase their house edge by 50-100% since I'd last logged in and played those games.

Were it not for this thread I'd have had no idea whatsoever that they'd pulled the stunt at all.

And what are we supposed to be 'getting a grip' on, exactly?

 

[thr0b]

Do you use a pop up blocker? That may be the cause.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Do you use a pop up blocker? That may be the cause.

Nope, I'm just running vanilla Chrome.

 

[thr0b]

Nope, I'm just running vanilla Chrome.

that does block popups itself, though I forget if the option is enabled via default or not.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

I didn't get any notifications to say that any popups had been blocked though.

Anyway, at the end of the day people can make up their own minds what they want to do, for me it's a deal-breaker which is why Casumo got my deposit yesterday, and that will continue to be the case whilst VS are running slots at gimped percentages.

If other casinos follow suit, I'll just stop playing at those too.

TBH 3Dice get most of my play anyway, and I'm quite happy there.

 

[Matti]

I didn't get any notifications to say that any popups had been blocked though.

Anyway, at the end of the day people can make up their own minds what they want to do, for me it's a deal-breaker which is why Casumo got my deposit yesterday, and that will continue to be the case whilst VS are running slots at gimped percentages.

If other casinos follow suit, I'll just stop playing at those too.

TBH 3Dice get most of my play anyway, and I'm quite happy there.

Let's see if I get this right. You have a very strong opinion against a casino that has seen in necessary to increase their pricing to cope with the rules and regulations issued by the UKGC, and pay taxes to the British state, while you yourself mostly play at an illegal casino in Curacao that doesn't have Gamstop, don't follow any RG and don't pay any taxes.

 

[goatwack]

#SaveOurTrustedUKTaxPayingCasinos

^ not sure that'll set the internet aflame

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Let's see if I get this right. You have a very strong opinion against a casino that has seen in necessary to increase their pricing to cope with the rules and regulations issued by the UKGC, and pay taxes to the British state, while you yourself mostly play at an illegal casino in Curacao that doesn't have Gamstop, don't follow any RG and don't pay any taxes.

I don't live in the UK, so I can play at 3Dice with no issues.

As for VS, are they making these changes just to survive, or to simply maintain profits?

 

[goatwack]

You don't go into the casino industry to be charitable or out of the goodness of one's heart, it's to make pure profit.

Fact is VS are being pummelled by higher UK taxation, regulations etc, so of course they could absorb the 'lessening profits' and keep RTPs the same on said games, or alternatively, cut RTPs like Edward Scissorhands and keep the same margins as before.

Guess which they opted for

 

[Guntis]

Let's see if I get this right. You have a very strong opinion against a casino that has seen in necessary to increase their pricing to cope with the rules and regulations issued by the UKGC, and pay taxes to the British state, while you yourself mostly play at an illegal casino in Curacao that doesn't have Gamstop, don't follow any RG and don't pay any taxes.

ChopleyIOM knows the trick on how to get Whale Achievement (on 3DICE). That's why he is playing there.

 

[colinsunderland]

Let's see if I get this right. You have a very strong opinion against a casino that has seen in necessary to increase their pricing to cope with the rules and regulations issued by the UKGC, and pay taxes to the British state, while you yourself mostly play at an illegal casino in Curacao that doesn't have Gamstop, don't follow any RG and don't pay any taxes.

Do you work for Videoslots, you seem to have very specific knowledge on the inner workings?
How is 3Dice illegal?

 

[curremon]

So videoslots has taken lower rtp versions on all markets now ? Pathetic

 

[Mr_Slot5]

I'm looking forward to your review of OW now Chopley

Back on topic I thought VS annual profit was in the hundred(s) of millions ?

If players are cutting back on what they spend slotting, which I think is the bigger issue for online casinos than taxes, these stealth rtp cuts won't work in the long run to improve that.

To be honest with you (and I may be a little old fashioned here), if I had a business I'd want to stand out from the crowd and draw customers in. What I wouldn't want to do is piss existing customers off by making negative changes that may endanger their overall satisfaction.

Very often it signals the beginning of the end for companies who won't compromise on their profit margins as customer service dwindles to nothing with the cuts. Some profit is always better than the no profit that comes with a business going bust.

 

[geordiecolin]

I can not recall such radio silence from team vid since that last time they changed things to the depriment of their punters or indeed to the time they did it before that! Yet they appear ever viewing.
Has anyone else noticed a decrease in their monday rewards? I had none for the last week despite depositing so much.

 

[geordiecolin]

And in the interests of transparency could Videoslots privide for us a full list of providers that insist on you providing the top level of rtp that they provide?

 

[Matti]

I don't live in the UK, so I can play at 3Dice with no issues.

As for VS, are they making these changes just to survive, or to simply maintain profits?

Sorry. Should have checked that Isle of Man is not under UKGC.