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sattty

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i downloaded this casino the other day as they were offering a free 20 ndb....

since then they have called me at least 6 times trying to get me to deposit ...dont like the idea of casinos calling players up like that..

i asked them to remove me from there calling list but clearly they have not done that ...

this policy of calling players by phone seems to be growing ever more popular..cant say i like it
 
From a purely practical standpoint, not getting into the ethics of the situation, have you considered telling them that they have the wrong number and you've never heard of yourself? That will get you taken off their call lists faster than any legitimate request, I suspect.
 
It does seem more common for casinos to call their players, but 6 times? That seems excessive - can you tell us over what kind of time period that was?

All they're doing is chasing off players...
 
Unsolicited calls, especially when the recipient has asked the casino to cease, is surely rogue behaviour?

I note that Vernons are currently on trial, hopefully sattty's experience will count against them and any hope they have of becoming accredited.

These calls are an invasion of sattty's privacy, are an attempt to coerce funds from a player, an enticement to gamble, and unethical.

I call rogue.
 
Unsolicited calls, especially when the recipient has asked the casino to cease, is surely rogue behaviour?

I note that Vernons are currently on trial, hopefully sattty's experience will count against them and any hope they have of becoming accredited.

These calls are an invasion of sattty's privacy, are an attempt to coerce funds from a player, an enticement to gamble, and unethical.

I call rogue.

I also think that this needs to be nipped in the bud before they become accred. Can any other players comment if they've experienced something similar?
 
From a purely practical standpoint, not getting into the ethics of the situation, have you considered telling them that they have the wrong number and you've never heard of yourself? That will get you taken off their call lists faster than any legitimate request, I suspect.

Some casinos could use this to deny verification or a cash out... claiming the player entered an invalid phone number.

I always hated when casinos would phone me. More than once a week borders on harrassment, I don't care who the casino is.

Once for initial verification, that's fine. After that... my email works perfectly well, thank you. :p
 
Once for initial verification, that's fine. After that... my email works perfectly well, thank you. :p

Even that would annoy me TBH.

In fact, I think the whole 'verify who you are' thing that some casinos do is total BS from start to finish.

If they're happy to take your money without any additional hoops being jumped through, they should damn well pay out without conjuring up a load of hoops out of thin air.

What's the basic message it sends out? That they take fraud seriously but only when it's not them grabbing money off players?..... I wonder if anyone ever got IDed because they were trying to deposit too much money......

I've made £1000+ withdrawals from Microgaming casinos with no issue and no fuss whatsoever (Jackpot Party paid me £700 with no hassle either, withdrawal was literally approved within 30 minutes and was back on my card less than 48 hours later) - that's my benchmark for casino payouts, and is one of the reasons I rarely play at casinos that use other software, as they tend to be the ones who decide they need to 'verify your identity' only once you have the temerity to try and make a withdrawal.....
 
Once for initial verification, that's fine. After that... my email works perfectly well, thank you. :p

I'm with you on that one. I hate being called with offers on the phone unless I've been specifically asked in the signup process and said it's OK (which I wouldn't LOL). I think of it as an invasion of privacy myself. With email you can choose not to reply but a phone call puts you on the spot and is sometimes very awkward.

That said, I got called by Vernons initially too but I asked them not to call again and they didn't.
 
I'm with you on that one. I hate being called with offers on the phone unless I've been specifically asked in the signup process and said it's OK (which I wouldn't LOL). I think of it as an invasion of privacy myself. With email you can choose not to reply but a phone call puts you on the spot and is sometimes very awkward.

That said, I got called by Vernons initially too but I asked them not to call again and they didn't.

It seems therefore their policy, not merely a "mistake" by a junior member of staff. The problem is that the player CANNOT protect themselves from this by refusing to give out their phone number, or giving out an invalid one. This makes it ESSENTIAL that a RIGID adherence to standards is followed, and that the phone should ONLY be used when necessary, such as a verification step, or responding to a query from a player. The default for marketing calls should be "no", with players having to opt in to receiving promotions via the phone.

These calls could even be breaking the law, at least the last 5 made after the OP asked them to stop calling.

I bet their online operation is NOT licensed in the UK, which is how they can get away with this (at least until 2014;) ).
 
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Hi Sattty,

Could you PM me your username and I will check into what happened here. I can assure you and in fact everyone that calling multiple times is not our policy hence I would like to clarify what's occurred. We use the phone sporadically and where indiviudally requested - we would not ignore a players wishes either when they said to be removed.

Cheers,

James

i downloaded this casino the other day as they were offering a free 20 ndb....

since then they have called me at least 6 times trying to get me to deposit ...dont like the idea of casinos calling players up like that..

i asked them to remove me from there calling list but clearly they have not done that ...

this policy of calling players by phone seems to be growing ever more popular..cant say i like it
 
Hi Sattty,

Could you PM me your username and I will check into what happened here. I can assure you and in fact everyone that calling multiple times is not our policy hence I would like to clarify what's occurred. We use the phone sporadically and where indiviudally requested - we would not ignore a players wishes either when they said to be removed.

Cheers,

James

What about calling ONCE to entice a deposit. This is also considered a misuse of the phone by many players. Live chat is bad enough as it is, constantly popping up offering bonuses and urging one to "bloody well hurry up and deposit" when they are just clicking around and exploring the site. This cannot even be turned off, and each popup has to be closed individually, only to pop back up in a matter of seconds. This is in contrast to the 30 minutes "on hold" experienced by a player who WANTED to engage with live chat.

Players can't opt out of giving their phone number, so they must be able to trust it will only be used when necessary. With email address also being a required field, and promotions advertised elsewhere on the site, I can see NO justification for phoning players about offers until they have specifically opted IN to receiving such calls. The current system requires them to opt out, and seems to be something they cannot do right from the start via the preferences when registering.

This is an example of WHY some players will deliberately give an invalid phone number when filling in the registration form, often not realising that this could also form part of the verification process. They just think they are protecting their privacy because marketing calls will not be bothering them.
 
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It has been found by Vernons that many players also appreciate being called after initially registering. It gives some the chance to ask any immediate questions and hopefully we can be of help should it be needed with immediate queries or questions. It is not just a sales call.

What about calling ONCE to entice a deposit. This is also considered a misuse of the phone by many players. Live chat is bad enough as it is, constantly popping up offering bonuses and urging one to "bloody well hurry up and deposit" when they are just clicking around and exploring the site. This cannot even be turned off, and each popup has to be closed individually, only to pop back up in a matter of seconds. This is in contrast to the 30 minutes "on hold" experienced by a player who WANTED to engage with live chat.

Players can't opt out of giving their phone number, so they must be able to trust it will only be used when necessary. With email address also being a required field, and promotions advertised elsewhere on the site, I can see NO justification for phoning players about offers until they have specifically opted IN to receiving such calls. The current system requires them to opt out, and seems to be something they cannot do right from the start via the preferences when registering.

This is an example of WHY some players will deliberately give an invalid phone number when filling in the registration form, often not realising that this could also form part of the verification process. They just think they are protecting their privacy because marketing calls will not be bothering them.
 
It has been found by Vernons that many players also appreciate being called after initially registering. It gives some the chance to ask any immediate questions and hopefully we can be of help should it be needed with immediate queries or questions. It is not just a sales call.

This should be OK, but the opportunity should also be taken to ask the player how they would like to receive their promotions during this call, and there should be no additional inducement to get them to hurry up and make their first deposit during this call. The call should also be used to verify the player as much as possible, as this could cut down on the need for nasty surprises later on, such as notarised documents. If the casino sees something not quite right with the registration details, this call is the time to ask for clarification, and if there are still doubts, the player could be asked to send in their documents before they make a withdrawal so that verification can run in tandem with their play.
For the casino, it can also be a chance to catch frauds, as they may say something on the phone that contradicts something in their registration, and then find they cannot easily backtrack once this is pointed out and their account suspended.
 
I don't think players should be called at all by a casino once they've registered for the somewhat spurious reasons given above.

Since providing a phone number is mandatory, and since you have to use a real number should the need for 'genuine' contact between the casino and the player ever be necessary in the future, I think it's a bit of a cheap stunt for them to then use that information to then make an unsolicited phone call.

When it comes to verifying the account, the casino could just as easily send a letter via snail mail with a unique 'authenticate' code on it, which you then type back into the casino on the account page. (Bet365 do this and TBH I think it's a pretty good system.)

On a wider note I feel ALL casinos should offer a crystal clear 'unsolicited phone calls' opt out policy when signing up.
 
FWIW (mostly as a suggestion to any reps reading this) I consider gaming to be an inherently private, adult activity and will not frequent casinos that make so much as one phone call without warning, whether it's for "verification" or sales.

Sometimes, lets face it, you don't need your kids or wife or mother-in-law or boss or whomever overhearing certain things. Maybe I'm in the minority, I don't know.

I also feel that it's a bogus verification step as well. If someone's signing up with my card, what is there to be verified by a phone call to whatever number was listed as the contact phone? Is someone really going to list my right phone number while committing fraud? Doubt it, besides, w/so many people using cell phones and giving up their land lines, a phone number doesn't verify anything at all. So what are they really verifying? The only thing that can truly be verified would be if the person gaming is a male or female, and even that's iffy.
 
It has been found by Vernons that many players also appreciate being called after initially registering. It gives some the chance to ask any immediate questions and hopefully we can be of help should it be needed with immediate queries or questions. It is not just a sales call.

I don't think players should be called at all by a casino once they've registered for the somewhat spurious reasons given above.

Since providing a phone number is mandatory, and since you have to use a real number should the need for 'genuine' contact between the casino and the player ever be necessary in the future, I think it's a bit of a cheap stunt for them to then use that information to then make an unsolicited phone call.

When it comes to verifying the account, the casino could just as easily send a letter via snail mail with a unique 'authenticate' code on it, which you then type back into the casino on the account page. (Bet365 do this and TBH I think it's a pretty good system.)

On a wider note I feel ALL casinos should offer a crystal clear 'unsolicited phone calls' opt out policy when signing up.

FWIW (mostly as a suggestion to any reps reading this) I consider gaming to be an inherently private, adult activity and will not frequent casinos that make so much as one phone call without warning, whether it's for "verification" or sales.

Sometimes, lets face it, you don't need your kids or wife or mother-in-law or boss or whomever overhearing certain things. Maybe I'm in the minority, I don't know.

I also feel that it's a bogus verification step as well. If someone's signing up with my card, what is there to be verified by a phone call to whatever number was listed as the contact phone? Is someone really going to list my right phone number while committing fraud? Doubt it, besides, w/so many people using cell phones and giving up their land lines, a phone number doesn't verify anything at all. So what are they really verifying? The only thing that can truly be verified would be if the person gaming is a male or female, and even that's iffy.

It has been shown here that many players do NOT appreciate being called initially after registering, or indeed at any time thereafter.

The survey may well be biased because of the way views are sampled, perhaps from those players who have just been called, and who might say what they think you want to hear, rather than what they think.

Another way to gauge views might be to run a poll here, asking whether players in general appreciate an initial phonecall after registering, are neutral on the matter, or who really do NOT want to be phoned for any reason.

As well as the marketing aspect, there is also the privacy one. Unless the player lives alone, there is the risk that another member of the household will answer, and even if the casino doesn't say who they are, or why they have called, it can still cause problems.

Imagine getting back from work, only to find the wife (or husband) in a surly mood, and who ambushes you with the question "who was that woman/man that called you and then promptly hung up when I answered?". For a start, you could only guess, and would not want to say "don't worry dear, probably only one of those casinos I play secretly behind your back".

It is therefore important that where it matters, players can be 100% certain that they won't be called by a casino. The ONLY way to be this certain is to not give them your number, but if the form insists the field has a value, this can only be achieved by giving a number that is either fake, or not the one for a home or work phone.

Phone verification works on the assumption that only the player will know what they last deposited, played, or withdrew. It therefore assumes that the initial registration is genuine, so does not protect against a stolen ID having been used from the outset. It is used by some operators as an additional step, and they cannot know whether the phone number connects to the address registered, or the the home of a fraudster using that identity. All it allows them to do is speak to the person and verify that they are the one who played.
 

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