Ukraine Mess

[Casinomeister]

Just to chime in - I have first hand experience with cluster bombs - seen them deployed a number of times. And it's not so much the usage of them, it is the fact that many don't explode if they are deployed from too low of an altitude. But they'll explode if you kick one. The ones I've dealt with are the ones from the 80s which look like small green metallic balls like grenades. We had to clear a tomato field near Basra where some kids had come across them - something I'll never forget.

 

[Webzcas]

Yeah, can only begin to imagine :-(.

However, with regards the US giving Ukraine cluster munitions, sadly I am all for it. If anything for them to use them to help clear the minefields in their way - what with Ukraine being the most mined country in the world thanks to the asshole that sits in the Kremlin.

 

[Webzcas]

This is also a great watch, not normally do I applaud the Telegraph, but their daily coverage on what is happening in Ukraine is second to none. The information concerning the war crimes committed which is touched upon is also appalling.

 

[bamberfishcake]

While I agree there are one or two assholes in the Kremlin, let's not forget just how corrupt Ukraine is/was.

The two have been at war for some time. Putin didn't just wake up one day and attack a neighbouring country for the sheer hell of it, and since Ukraine regained its independence from Russia, it was largely considered the most corrupt and disjointed country in Europe, by the countries now supporting it. Funny how loyalty sways so easily when opportunity presents itself.

There are plenty more points to discuss when considering whether Ukraine is/was a peace-loving nation that would/will welcome all comers and love thy neighbour.

I don't think I would mind as much if there had been decisive and swift retaliation from an Allied force, but I don't think our involvement is about anything more than money and power.

 

[Webzcas]

Oh I cannot disagree with you, it was corrupt as ****. However, I never thought I would see in my lifetime atrocities happening on the European continent that hadn't been seen since the second world war. Bucha, Irpin, etc etc

Millions of people displaced, innocent women and children raped, mutilated, kidnapped and murdered.

Regardless of the politics, money and power, I am glad we are finally standing up to the murderous gangster regime that is Putin's Russia. I live only 30 miles away from Salisbury.

Personally I am of the view we should give Ukraine everything we have so as they are able to liberate their country.



I won't post the video which is available online to see, of this Ukrainian soldier, unarmed and having surrendered to Russian forces, murdered in cold blood. This is a still taken from the video, seconds later he was gunned down.

 

[bamberfishcake]

Those images are very sad.

At least we agree on a swift resolution. People are dying on both sides. Unfortunately, I don't see it happening, nor any of the warped and corrupt regimes around the world being taken down any time soon. War is big business for a few unaffected and unbothered.

Wonder what the total bill is so far, and how better spent that could have been, not just elsewhere. If you're going to get involved, then get involved, don't sit on the peripheral fanning the flames as a glorified arms dealer.

 

[Webzcas]

Latest update video from Jake Broe dropped in the early hours this morning:

 

[Webzcas]

Just prior to flying out New York where he is due to speak at the UN General Assembly, CBSNews 6o minutes program sat down with President Zelensky, where he makes a very compelling why the world needs to help Ukraine defend themselves against Putin's Russia.

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[goatwack]

Thing is, that's been espoused since the beginning of the conflict, and yet Western Allies have already been 'marked' since the onset.

$70 Billion later and counting, we're all but fighting this war, with Zelensky's gratitude the same it's ever been, i.e "Do it or you're all complicit".

Fact is, Western nations are going to be under constant nuclear threat from Putin, whether he wins or loses. The question is whether Putin'd be more likely to launch nukes after peace talks, or from a humiliating Russian climbdown.

However necessary financial and military support seems to be for Ukraine, I'd imagine an apocalyptic WWIII scenario to be more likely with our involvement, than not....

 

[LaurieJim]

I totally agree, the freedom loving world leaders of each country needs to stand up to this axis of evil dictator ran nations and lower the damned boom, whether money, arms, sanctions don't seem to ever work. The first two world wars started in Europe and spread, pray not to see a third but as we all know it takes one madman with an itchy finger to end all as we know it!

I admire Zelenskyy and the freedom fighter from Ukraine and those from all over who are helping this nations peoples!

 

[Webzcas]

Thing is, that's been espoused since the beginning of the conflict, and yet Western Allies have already been 'marked' since the onset.

$70 Billion later and counting, we're all but fighting this war, with Zelensky's gratitude the same it's ever been, i.e "Do it or you're all complicit".

Fact is, Western nations are going to be under constant nuclear threat from Putin, whether he wins or loses. The question is whether Putin'd be more likely to launch nukes after peace talks, or from a humiliating Russian climbdown.

However necessary financial and military support seems to be for Ukraine, I'd imagine an apocalyptic WWIII scenario to be more likely with our involvement, than not....

My dad was just shy of 7 years old on 3rd September 1939. My gran and grandad saw first hand what turning the other cheek and appeasement caused. Russia as you say will always sabre rattle and bring out the old nuclear weapon threats.

Just watching those swivel eyed mentalists on Russia 1 that Julia Davis does a great job translating, will show that among many things, they want the UK under a radioactive tidal wave thanks to Poseidon.

Like in all walks of life, bullies only respect one thing and that is strength.

 

[LaurieJim]

Like in all walks of life, bullies only respect one thing and that is strength.

My dad was just shy of 7 years old on 3rd September 1939. My gran and grandad saw first hand what turning the other cheek and appeasement caused. Russia as you say will always sabre rattle and bring out the old nuclear weapon threats.

Just watching those swivel eyed mentalists on Russia 1 that Julia Davis does a great job translating, will show that among many things, they want the UK under a radioactive tidal wave thanks to Poseidon.

Like in all walks of life, bullies only respect one thing and that is strength.

Like in all walks of life, bullies only respect one thing and that is strength. That pretty much sums it up !

 

[Webzcas]

Zelensky's address to the UN General Assembly which took place a couple of hours ago

 

[Webzcas]

Zelensky has just finished addressing the UN Security Council, although Russia’s slug of an ambassador to the UN Vasily Nebenzya, made a last minute objection to him addressing the council.

Albania who currently hold the Presidency of the council, put him firmly and squarely back in his box though.



Slava Ukraini!

 

[Smithyy]

Russia’s slug of an ambassador to the UN Vasily Nebenzya, made a last minute objection to him addressing the council.

He raised concerns Zelensky would "hit him with a hammer" during the UN SC meeting in an attempt to prevent his participation. And no, I'm not joking.

 

[Webzcas]

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At least some good news. Just need that Trump and Russian stooge who is the Speaker Mike Johnson put the Ukraine funding bill that was passed by the Senate, on the floor of the house for a vote.