UK Mp's are coming after online casinos

[Scott1baird]

The UK is becoming over regulated - and over regulation will just bolster the non-licensed UK accepting casinos. It's a fact: ban something and folks will figure out how to still do it.

Thats what I said basily. It's going to make players and not just problem players but most players think about using these rogue sites. It's easy sign up spin loose. I mean really how many of us deposit into a casino expecting to walk away with ten grand from a tenner deposit.

 

[steveh35]

The problem with views like Chopley's is it only take one person to be affected by something for everyone to have to change, so let's take another example, someone slips on a discarded wrapper on a platform at a tube station today and falls in front of a tube train.

In most people's minds it would be a simple accident where fate happened it is rare we all get on with our lives, in someone like Chopley or people who share his view's mind that would instigate a full investigation, tube platforms are not safe, fine people for dropping the wrapper, bring in barriers to stop people falling off the platform, fine TfL for lack of safety, make wrappers less shiny so they are no slippery, ban anything with a shiny wrapper from tube platforms, launch a full health & safety investigation....

If Labour get into power expect more of the above

 

[ChopleyIOM]

I hereby award you the Supreme Gold Medal for Most Overblown Straw Man Argument of the century.

 

[steveh35]

I hereby award you the Supreme Gold Medal for Most Overblown Straw Man Argument of the century.

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Thank you so much I reward you with a Casinomeister shield for the biggest snowflake and funtaker of the year, do you ever have fun or do you just look for problems in every situation in life.

 

[mack341]

Perhaps a better route in the first instance would be to try to beef up the self control options/systems available at casinos, maybe have an option to set a stake limit yourself which then can't be changed for a set period of time [7-120 days]. Gambling wouldn't be gambling without inherent risk/danger, how much do we want to go down the route of government imposed rules which limit personal freedom to gamble how you wish.

I have a lot of sympathy for addicts and anyone in dire straits from gambling to excess, and we do have a responsibility to the next generation of gamblers coming through, as I think that's where the suicides and most harm will come, with youngsters getting themselves into deep water, too embarrased to seek help/ talk to family or there is, in reality, no easily accessible practical help out there for them.

I think the issue of banning credit card funded deposits was mooted before and IIRC chopley [not wishing to pick on him personally] was against this move because he uses his safely without any debt building up and it's convenient for him, but others will be racking up debts and getting into danger I'm sure, so there are grey areas for even those strongly in favour of greater govt imposed restrictions.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

For the record I said I sometimes use a credit card to deposit but immediately pay the deposit amount over from my bank account

I've stopped doing that now though due to the fees, so just use my debit card.

Either way though, I wouldn't object to deposits with credit cards being banned, as it's clearly going to cause problems for some folks.

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[mack341]

For the record I said I sometimes use a credit card to deposit but immediately pay the deposit amount over from my bank account

I've stopped doing that now though due to the fees, so just use my debit card.

Either way though, I wouldn't object to deposits with credit cards being banned, as it's clearly going to cause problems for some folks.

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Glad you cleared that up Chop, I too would be in favour of banning credit card deposits as on balance despite the convenience factor for some the danger to many others is greater, but I don't think I would be in favour of a mandatory £2 limit stake.

You can lose a heck of a lot at £2, £500 in an hour probably and thousands in a day, so if we want to eliminate as much harm as possible, logically 20/40p limits would be required. And even though I play at roughly those stakes on many games, the option to venture upwards is exciting for a low roller. I think somebody said recently [reelsoffun?] that raising your stake increases volatility, and Chop a few times, at the end of your vids, you've gone to Immortal romance on £3 stake to try to get a recovery. [I've done the same many times on rhino] do we want to take this option away and never have those recovery wins?

Maybe casinos should check in more on players regularly playing above £2, just to make sure they can afford it, especially if their losses are mounting up.

 

[trancemonkey]

The sensible solution (and therefore the one least likely to be implemented) is to have a soft-cap at some value (£2?) and then if you want more than that, you must provide proof you can afford it in order to unlock those bet sizes. I don't see why someone who can afford to be at £10 a spin should be stopped in an environment where it is possible to do a SOW check (in bookies, this was almost impossible).

It's true that some people should be protected from themselves, but it's also true that there are people who can afford to bet high, and should not have to go underground to do so. Over-regulation can cause just as many problems as under-regulation.

As others have said, and i have said, casinos that are actively promoting irresponsible gambling (@homerbert - your casino is guilty of this) through affiliation with people like Roshstein, are a huge catalyst for over-regulation and knee-jerk reactions.

You may not operate in the UK (i'm not sure if you do or not) but you should take a long hard look at yourselves. The FOBT operators would have, in my opinion, avoided the £2 max stake being imposed if they had self-imposed a £20 max stake when it was clear the UKGC and government was looking at it - but they didn't. They ran the risk and it back-fired massively.

Now we have totally irresponsible casinos promoting streamers on 5 euro and up bets - and this is simply asking for trouble. In fact, it's not even asking for trouble - it's basically demanding it. And (sorry to pick on you, but you are part of the problem, not the solution) the casinos @homerbert works for don't give two shits about the damage they do in pursuit of selfish interests - or at least that's how it seems from my point of view.

 

[Moom]

For the record I said I sometimes use a credit card to deposit but immediately pay the deposit amount over from my bank account

I've stopped doing that now though due to the fees, so just use my debit card.

Either way though, I wouldn't object to deposits with credit cards being banned, as it's clearly going to cause problems for some folks.

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It very clearly should be banned, but there are easy ways around it that everyone who uses a credit card will know. Revolut comes to mind. I assume most who gamble on credit cards already use revolut to avoid fees.

 

[LordSilver]

It's like putting a cap on alcohol % just because some are addicted, totally the wrong way to solve a problem. In my view, those who have problems should have help easily available and there should be some structure to help them (checks etc) but I've never been a believer of banning something for the majority who doesn't have a problem with it as a solution.

 

[shadow123]

Problem gambling is a very big issue among the younger generation. I really don't have much doubt of that figure based on what I have seen among the 18-35 age group.

I always find there is alot of trivialisation from people on this forum regarding gambling issues. Yes, problem gamblers exist, and it is far more common than you think. I honestly cannot tell if some of the posts in here are sarcasm or not.

No way did I trivialise problem gambling, I would not do that as I could write the book on the subject from my younger days,
I just asked how they arrived at the number of problem gamblers and was interested to know what form of gambling was
causing the problem bearing in mind that the opportunity to gamble has been reduced due to closures and decline of establishments.
I think my comments were perfectly valid

 

[slot_zombie]

The limit is £5 a spin in UK brick and mortar casinos so it shouldn't be any less online.

 

[EkJR]

The sensible solution (and therefore the one least likely to be implemented) is to have a soft-cap at some value (£2?) and then if you want more than that, you must provide proof you can afford it in order to unlock those bet sizes. I don't see why someone who can afford to be at £10 a spin should be stopped in an environment where it is possible to do a SOW check (in bookies, this was almost impossible).

It's true that some people should be protected from themselves, but it's also true that there are people who can afford to bet high, and should not have to go underground to do so. Over-regulation can cause just as many problems as under-regulation.

As others have said, and i have said, casinos that are actively promoting irresponsible gambling (@homerbert - your casino is guilty of this) through affiliation with people like Roshstein, are a huge catalyst for over-regulation and knee-jerk reactions.

You may not operate in the UK (i'm not sure if you do or not) but you should take a long hard look at yourselves. The FOBT operators would have, in my opinion, avoided the £2 max stake being imposed if they had self-imposed a £20 max stake when it was clear the UKGC and government was looking at it - but they didn't. They ran the risk and it back-fired massively.

Now we have totally irresponsible casinos promoting streamers on 5 euro and up bets - and this is simply asking for trouble. In fact, it's not even asking for trouble - it's basically demanding it. And (sorry to pick on you, but you are part of the problem, not the solution) the casinos @homerbert works for don't give two shits about the damage they do in pursuit of selfish interests - or at least that's how it seems from my point of view.

Which is what I suggested earlier in the thread, albeit £5 stake

 

[trancemonkey]

Which is what I suggested earlier in the thread, albeit £5 stake

Sorry mate .. didn't see it. Apologies.

 

[EkJR]

Sorry mate .. didn't see it. Apologies.

No problem, as least we have the same idea here!

 

[Slottery]

Would it be big difference if players would need to have mandatory net loss limit instead of max bet? If somebody would have limit of £500/month and want to play with £20 spins, there wouldn't be more lost than with £2-5 max bet.

 

[goatwack]

Again, stake size is almost moot as most mortals will bet between £0.20 - £5, so what does it matter in terms of social responsibility if I lose £100 in 20 spins or 50.

The issue is I could 'irresponsibly' burn through several hundred £££ on Fast Play using menial bets. But that's ok because the UKGC can pat themselves on the back for capping amounts to sub-£5 levels, and proclaim themselves advocates of Responsible Gambling

The entire system is flawed and based on risk-taking, however much one agrees or disagrees with certain aspects. If they want to kill gambling and sterilize the risk factor then it's not gambling really. I partially agree with Sweden at least trying to get players to think about it, however annoying.

There's also nothing preventing someone walking into a bookies or placing singular high bets is there? Our local feral drunkard does this without fail every couple of weeks, where's the UKGC on that? Oh that's right they don't give a shit

Politicians and self-promoters will just keep banging this drum until there's virtually nothing left of the industry

THERE IS NO ONE SIZE FITS ALL SOLUTION

 

[mina1929]

All this kind of reminds me of another country I know, don't we just love our government

 

[goatwack]

 

[mina1929]

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How did you guess lol