UK - General Fruit machine @ pubs

sparkz

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Hey guys just something im wondering. Do many people here in the UK still play fruit machines?

Seems to me that the whole fruit machine setup in the UK is nothing but a greedy shambles nowadays.

The worst culprits are wetherspoons pubs.

Its no longer the days where you have a bit of extra change from a pint, play a machine and walk away a few quid up. The machines trick you into playing, give false senses of security and eat your wallet like you are nothing.

It really goes against anything the spoons name once was renown for.

It was the place to go for proper beer. Now half the beers have not conditioned correctly and taste a bit odd, the staff serving times are just ridiculous and worse still is the amount of £70 jackpot fruit machines lurking round every single corner just waiting for you to crack and put hard earned cash into.

Our local spoons now has 7 fruit machines.

The machines generally are tight as hell with just a 70% payout and often £15+ needed for a single board.

Its 1 thing being in control and not playing them but too often you see in front of you someone getting extremely lucky and putting a few quid in and hitting jackpot which makes it even more tempting to play some of them.

Can say recently I was ripped off by machines there. In my last 4 visits I have lost in excess of £600 on their machines.


For example problem gamblers tend to be the people with very little cash so they will go somewhere to have a drink which is cheap. Naturally they will go to spoons because of the prices but then what? they are faced with excess fruit machines and all that temptation. The local arcade barely has that many there.
 

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I hate Wetherspoons pubs with a passion. No atmosphere, usually really crappy service and sub-par food. I'm also an avid smoker and I dislike their anti-smoking stance (before the ban, anyway).

Re. pub fruit machines, they're shite these days. DOND and variants everywhere you look and you're right in pointing out that they can empty a wallet in a single session, even if you have £150 in there to begin with.

Quiz machines ain't much better but at least the amount you're gonna lose is limited.
 

vinylweatherman

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Hey guys just something im wondering. Do many people here in the UK still play fruit machines?

Seems to me that the whole fruit machine setup in the UK is nothing but a greedy shambles nowadays.

The worst culprits are wetherspoons pubs.

Its no longer the days where you have a bit of extra change from a pint, play a machine and walk away a few quid up. The machines trick you into playing, give false senses of security and eat your wallet like you are nothing.

It really goes against anything the spoons name once was renown for.

It was the place to go for proper beer. Now half the beers have not conditioned correctly and taste a bit odd, the staff serving times are just ridiculous and worse still is the amount of £70 jackpot fruit machines lurking round every single corner just waiting for you to crack and put hard earned cash into.

Our local spoons now has 7 fruit machines.

The machines generally are tight as hell with just a 70% payout and often £15+ needed for a single board.

Its 1 thing being in control and not playing them but too often you see in front of you someone getting extremely lucky and putting a few quid in and hitting jackpot which makes it even more tempting to play some of them.

Can say recently I was ripped off by machines there. In my last 4 visits I have lost in excess of £600 on their machines.


For example problem gamblers tend to be the people with very little cash so they will go somewhere to have a drink which is cheap. Naturally they will go to spoons because of the prices but then what? they are faced with excess fruit machines and all that temptation. The local arcade barely has that many there.

What have you been smokin'

Seeing someone hit the jackpot tells me NOT to play it:p

I want to see someone being spectacularly UNLUCKY, and dropping their entire wallet into it. THAT would be the machine to go and play when they leave:D

They are nothing like they used to be anyway.

For me, everything went downhill in 1996, when after strict controls on stake and jackpots, they allowed 25p and then 30p stakes, followed by 50p and £1, and jackpots of £15, £25, £35 and now £70.

There has been a slight improvement, as games now allow players to select their own stake from 25p, 50p and £1. The problem with this is that the machines sometimes claim that you get "+6%" on the RTP if you select a higher stake, and others give you "enhanced boards" for higher stakes.

"enhanced boards" are bogus in any case, since you are paying up to 4x to get it.

I have even seen machines that have another trick to speed up the wallet emptying. This is the concept of a pre-gamble as to whether you even get to SPIN for your stake. If you play the game on "basic" where you get a spin every time, and then at the two "enhanced" levels where you get a spin 50% of the time and 25% of the time, but with enhanced wins, you will see that the spins are RIGGED to counter what you think would be the advantage of these enhancements.

One of these is "double value of trail numbers" and "4x trail numbers". You will quickly notice that the ONLy difference is that on "double numbers" you will get a "2" which is doubled to "4", whereas on "standard" you will just get a "4" straight off. With "4x numbers" you just get "1" multipled 4x to give "4" when the machine wants to give it.

The only advantage is for the operator, as playing the enhanced chance variants eats your money 2x and 4x as fast as "standard".

Another trick is that on a £1 stake you will not be happy with wins of £4, but will press on for more, whereas if you hit £4 from a 25p stake, you are more likely to consider it worth taking.

I have played a few of these machines on the 25p stake, rather than the so called "better RTP" £1, and have won MORE this way, mostly because I tend to take the more modest wins, rather than press on for a worthwhile multiple of my stake.


If you are after trying your luck with the change from a pint. Drop the stake right down as far as it will go, and hope to hit a couple of boards. Then take anything over £2, remembering that most machines round UP to the nearest £1, so a £2.20 prize is actually £3 already, and is not worth gambling up to £3, which the machine will allow you to do.

The games rarely "streak" now because of the £70 jackpot, so there is less incentive to "chase" or "force" the game.
 

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In city centres, particular where I work, the Wetherspoons are full of fruity players who spawn camp them for hours on end.

I've come to learn that they aren't waiting for a big win anymore, in terms of how they used to force them previously (Mega Streaks), but are now just looking to double their wager every hour (£20-£40 in, £40-£80 out every hour).

The game has changed lol
 

vinylweatherman

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In city centres, particular where I work, the Wetherspoons are full of fruity players who spawn camp them for hours on end.

I've come to learn that they aren't waiting for a big win anymore, in terms of how they used to force them previously (Mega Streaks), but are now just looking to double their wager every hour (£20-£40 in, £40-£80 out every hour).

The game has changed lol

That's what I was thinking. It seems that if someone tries to force a big win when it isn't ready, they don't get far, but if you come along and just try to take a bit back, say double £20 to £40, you can do this by taking a run of short wins when it is giving plenty of boards.

I have tried this, and it often works, but I have recently found machines where all the value has been sucked out, but have not seen it done. I tend to play on the motorway services, rather than pubs, as they are not so easy to get at by the majority of "pro" players, young, out of work, and NOT in possession of their own transport. Many at the services used to rely on either sharing a car with a "gang" of such players, or working alone (like me), but having to hitch hike to the next venue.

Having a car gives a player full control of when & where they play, and can also return to a prospect some hours later without having an argument with the others. Also, if you are working with others in a loose alliance, you find they all play against each other, and none of them comes out ahead. They are also more obvious when "spawn camped" at a particular venue, warning most other players away.

Online casinos have made many players move away from pubs, arcades, and services. When I have ventured back, the places are now "dead", whereas in the 1990's you would often bump into the "regulars".

The most recent changes may have slightly reversed the decline, as now you can vary your stake between 25p and £1, whereas before the operator set the stake, and often it was only a choice between 50p and £1, or £1- take it or leave it. The RTP is much the same as before, between 70% and 78%, with 72% to 74% being the most common. Most of the streaks have gone too, as instead you just get a single £70 jackpot as your "streak", which is not as interesting as 5 minutes worth of the machine "going mental" and chucking out wins almost every spin.
 

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The economic conditions have played a big role in the decline too, people don't have the disposable income they did 15/20 years ago (my heyday of fruities was in the days when some great games came out like Roller Coaster).
 

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The most recent changes may have slightly reversed the decline, as now you can vary your stake between 25p and £1, whereas before the operator set the stake, and often it was only a choice between 50p and £1, or £1- take it or leave it. The RTP is much the same as before, between 70% and 78%, with 72% to 74% being the most common. Most of the streaks have gone too, as instead you just get a single £70 jackpot as your "streak", which is not as interesting as 5 minutes worth of the machine "going mental" and chucking out wins almost every spin.
I'm glad to hear that from an expert - I was wondering if it's just me! :thumbsup:

There's a gastro-pub I visit about once a week just to have a go on their fruity (Can't remember the name, but it's just yet another DOND clone). I've caught it a little too early, but still managed to get it to pop twice recently, but both Mega-Streaks only paid a small amount over the £70.
I noticed it has a 25p option too, but surely everyone know that just means 4 times more empty spins than when playing £1?
I always play max bet.

KK
 

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Pubs are closing down right left an centre. No one seems to play the pub machines any more. ALL the arcades I have seen recently are also dead. Very sad.:(

It's the same here, you maybe get aroung 8-9 people going into to my local casino(and bingo,there are alot of machines there too fruit machines included)during the day, people around here cannot afford to play much anymore, as we have the highest unemployment figures in the whole of the UK, no work=no money :(
 

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I wish I understood how to properly play these games (online, no fruities in Canada), I get killed always.
 

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You know... I don't even remember the last time I was in a pub that had a fruity. Admittedly I don't really like wetherspoons & oneils so haven't been to one of those in a long time but none of the other pubs we go to in london have them any more - esp the independents and sam smiths.
 

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Thanks, that was interesting. A very good point was made early on about allowing children to play the low stakes fruit machines at beach-side arcades -that was also my first introduction to gambling. It does seem a bit strange and not really common-sense.

Also interesting (for those that don't want to, or cant, watch the whole thing) was the research showing the difference in brain activity between problem gamblers and non-problem gamblers.
 

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Thanks, that was interesting. A very good point was made early on about allowing children to play the low stakes fruit machines at beach-side arcades -that was also my first introduction to gambling. It does seem a bit strange and not really common-sense.

Also interesting (for those that don't want to, or cant, watch the whole thing) was the research showing the difference in brain activity between problem gamblers and non-problem gamblers.

Yes it started like it was going to be another "look how bad gambling is" thing while just selecting a few extreme cases but the programme got better and better, more interesting and eye opening. Agree that research on "near miss" was fascinating.

PS. Spooky at the beginning. I turned off a CD to watch that and the first track on the documentary was also on the CD I was listening to. I was trying to work out how my amp could be playing both at the same time LOL.
 

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Thanks, that was interesting. A very good point was made early on about allowing children to play the low stakes fruit machines at beach-side arcades -that was also my first introduction to gambling. It does seem a bit strange and not really common-sense.

Also interesting (for those that don't want to, or cant, watch the whole thing) was the research showing the difference in brain activity between problem gamblers and non-problem gamblers.

That's NOW, it was far worse when I was a kid in the 1960's and 1970's. There were NO restrictions at all on who could play "Fruities", whether or not they were at the seaside. I was lucky because there were none where I lived, so I had a week or two per year of access. Kids who lived in bigger towns and the resorts themselves had year round access. I also found that well into the 1990's kids would cycle into the Motorway services via the back roads (staff entrance) and play the onsite machines, which were NOT "low stake", but standard 20p games. Many also had the "streak pot" system, where every now and then a huge run of wins could be gained. This was something to chase after, and encouraged play even after a decent sized win in the hope that the big streak was near. It also drove a fear of leaving a machine in case the next player hit the streak right in front of you (this has happened to me, and I have seen it. I have done it to others, so I suppose it's fair:) ).

It is only recently that a real tightening has taken place, with strict requirements governing access to high stakes machines no matter where they are sited. It is now only the low stake and low prize machines that can be played by children, and even these are supposed to be policed by the operators to ensure that it is not children coming specifically to play the machines, but rather children with their parents enjoying a day out. Children are supposed to be challenged at seaside resorts if they are seen playing during school hours, and ejected if they are not on holiday or with parents.

Despite this, the bottom line is that children can STILL gamble, and I don't think restricting the stakes or prizes has much effect when it comes to getting the few "problem" personalities hooked from an early age.

There has been significant pressure from parts of the industry to prevent an outright ban on ALL play by under 18's, so the low stakes, low prizes, regime is a compromise. Seaside resorts considered a total ban on children would put them out of business, as not only would children not be spending their parents money on the machines, the parents themselves would not play because they could not take their children along.

Children have never been able to play in the US, but there have been many successful "video arcades" there. Although not gambling, similar problems have arisen there too, with children spending too much money chasing the high scores, and the kudos of being considered a "legend". Video arcades would not be so successful now, because most gaming is done at home on consoles, and for free once the equipment has been bought. UK operators are backed into a corner, and must hang on to the low stakes machines at all costs, else they would have to move to a completely new form of entertainment offering suited to their premises, and outside of their field of expertise. I doubt many have even thought of what they would do if all forms of gambling at any stakes was made 18s and above.
 

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Sorry a bit late to this thread :)

I'm a part-time semi-pro UK fruit machine (AWP) player, insofar as I make consistent profits on them and have done for years - albeit on a fairly casual basis.

A few key points:

1) UK AWPs are COMPENSATED, that is to say they actively seek out their target percentage and previous play does affect future play, the machine 'knows' what it's done before and also knows how far it wants to let itself be pushed at any given time. They are as far from random slots as you can possibly imagine.

2) They are vulnerable to manipulation/cheats/trickery to a frightening degree. In many cases, if you don't know what the 'shows' are (whether or not to play), and the 'tricks' thereafter (how to get the machine to pay out before it really wants to) - you will lose lose lose and you will lose horribly.

Sometimes these tricks/cheats/rips/traps are the result of coding errors, sometimes they're just outright corrupt and deliberately coded in.

3) There are large numbers of true pro players who will travel hundreds of miles in a day to seek out their preferred machines. If a 'good' machine is covered by a pro or two, no one else will ever get a look in.

There are plenty of videos of me jackpotting/mega streaking AWPs on my YouTube channel, note how the same machines seem to turn up again and again, that's not by coincidence.....

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Here's a £156 megastreak for example, remember that this machine has an RTP of just 76% and is COMPENSATED, so you really, really don't want to be playing this afterwards, or indeed until it's taken over £300 back.

Quite a nice raise for me though :)

 
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