UK Conservative Party Leadership Election

[mack341]

This lines up Jeremy in the hotseat ready to take over. His surname will be the source of endless 'jokes' on social media during the GE campaign, we've been here before when he was health sec. The tories are starting to look leggy, they keep rotating the same 'A' stars [like sven did with the england team] with more interesting candidates of superior intellect and common sense left out in the cold.

Edited: to clean it up as it's near tea time!

 

[interlog]

What a debut by the power couple - on par in popularity with Beelzebub

Reactionary or not, this is the sort of polling that gets a party panicking. Resignation imminent?....

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What I find astonishing is the relatively high ranking of Gordon Brown, really?

 

[goatwack]

What I find astonishing is the relatively high ranking of Gordon Brown, really?

It was just the first month. His rating went down to -34000 after that

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Seriously no words! Well I have as I am writing some down here. Good god! In my near 50 years on this planet, this is the worst by far political situation we have ever faced. We have a cluster whatsit of a govt and an opposition still infested with Corbynites, whilst there is a war going on in mainland Europe involving Russia.

So, even though I would be all for having a General Election, I really do not know which way to turn. We are screwed whichever we look :-(

You know this really isn't true, right?

Us more lefty types have been rather dismayed at Starmer's somewhat brutal actions with regards to removing the Corbyny types from the party, and getting a lot of the more lefty MPs deselected to boot.

He's also 'de-Corbyned' the Labour Party's policy proposals to a massive degree, again, in a fashion us proper lefties aren't very happy about.

Labour are a pretty centrist party under Starmer, I'd pitch them as centre-left as things stand at the moment.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

What a debut by the power couple - on par in popularity with Beelzebub

Reactionary or not, this is the sort of polling that gets a party panicking. Resignation imminent?....

I think there's a good chance she'll have been removed by the end of next week.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Gave me a chuckle.

 

[dunover]

Gave me a chuckle.

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Someone's been watching my videos - Jackson, Glitter, Rolf and Savile get frequent mentions.

 

[sufferinsilence]

 

[ChopleyIOM]

So Hunt has made his first public appearances as Chancellor and does at least have a modest air of competence and sanity about him. I know 'not being insane' is a pretty low bar to cross but it's almost impossible to overstate how absolutely batshit insane Truss and Kwarteng's mini-budget was.

He's basically ripped up Truss's entire economic prospectus and you could argue he's pretty the de factor Prime Minister at this point, Truss certainly can't sack him, put it that way.

Hunt is also paving the way for spending cuts, tax rises, and other economic pain to come, on top of rising interest rates and a lack of worldwide confidence in the UK's economy.

It's possible he could steady the ship enough to give Truss a stay of execution for a period of time, which is great news for Labour because Truss is so apocalyptically unpopular with the public.

Tory MPs are plotting Truss's downfall right now, but the debate there is can they really impose another Prime Minister on the UK without a general election? What's more damaging, letting Truss stay in post, or removing her and installing someone else?

On the plus side the Star's front page this morning is excellent.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Of course you'd excuse that sort of language, because in your world that's acceptable, because it's against a Tory. And all because the lady loves....not being able to curb her tone.

I mean why stop there? Because it's an alternative and challenging television outpost, we could have Kwarsi exclusively call Guru-Murthy a tosspot if the questions get a bit too much! Or better yet, why not have Opposition MPs stand up in the House of Commons and gesticulate 'wanker!' motions at their rivals?

You are truly blinkered in your selective outrage, because let's face it, had that been Rees- Mogg dropping a pre-watershed B-bomb we'd not hear the end of it

And yes, Channel 4 was established to be alternative to the big boys, albeit this is the News, and that type of discourse would have been frowned upon, as I'm sure they were held to a higher standard at its inception.

But fear not, blogger Tett will be hailed as a hero by her Financial Times buddies, so let's raise a glass for her stunning bravery, shall we?

I honestly couldn't care less if Rees-Mogg says bollocks on the news or not, what bothers me far more is the endless lies and disingenuous nonsense he routinely comes out with, or his voting record in the Commons, for example.

Anyway I thought us lefty liberals were supposed to be the snowflakes, but I'm not the one clutching my pearls because the nice lady said bollocks on the news

Hopefully all the young children who were watching Channel 4 news and heard the foul language haven't been too traumatised by the experience.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

The best bit about Jeremy Hunt returning to frontline politics.

 

[goatwack]

UH-OH!

In another act that could only be described as stunning and brave, Labour- loving Miriam Margolyes decides that when it comes to feelings, time has no time for restraint and adult decorum as she goes one better than her allies, projecting her hatred for another Tory with:

"Fuck you, you bastard" (live on BBC Radio 4)

Except this time it was IN THE MORNING

Mind you, she has priors with not being able to control her temperament by already having quoted that "I had difficulty not wanting Boris Johnson to die"

Labour superfan Miriam has clearly long had designs on being a fully-fledged Labour MP, and I think she's done nothing if not fully qualified to sit proudly alongside Rayner & co. Who could begrudge her that? Especially with such heartfelt endorsement of Jezza Corbyn, with this prose:

"(he is a) beacon of hope in the struggle against emergent

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[ChopleyIOM]

UH-OH!

In another act that could only be described as stunning and brave, Labour- loving Miriam Margolyes decides that when it comes to feelings, time has no time for restraint and adult decorum as she goes one better than her allies, projecting her hatred for another Tory with:

"Fuck you, you bastard" (live on BBC Radio 4)

Except this time it was IN THE MORNING

Mind you, she has priors with not being able to control her temperament by already having quoted that "I had difficulty not wanting Boris Johnson to die"

Labour superfan Miriam has clearly long had designs on being a fully-fledged Labour MP, and I think she's done nothing if not fully qualified to sit proudly alongside Rayner & co. Who could begrudge her that? Especially with such heartfelt endorsement of Jezza Corbyn, with this prose:

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Hopefully all the young children who were listening to Radio 4 this morning and heard the foul language haven't been too traumatised by the experience.

 

[mack341]

12 years of 'conservative' rule and this kind of waste for labour style virtue signalling goes untouched, 40 million [plus pensions etc] how many nurses or cleaner hospitals could that help pay for. It will only increase with Labour coming in, 'there's still invisible racism bla, bla, bla...therefore we urgently need to hire more diversity officers'

 

[ChopleyIOM]

12 years of 'conservative' rule and this kind of waste for labour style virtue signalling goes untouched, 40 million [plus pensions etc] how many nurses or cleaner hospitals could that help pay for. It will only increase with Labour coming in, 'there's still invisible racism bla, bla, bla...therefore we urgently need to hire more diversity officers'

Total spending on health in the UK is getting on for two hundred billion pounds per year, forty million quid is a tiny, tiny fraction of that. (0.03%, as the article helpfully points out.)

It's a total non-story confected by the right wing think tank The Taxpayers' Alliance, who I'd have thought would be more cross at the fact that under the Tories the average UK worker now endures the highest personal tax burden in seventy years.

But I know, let's get annoyed about what the NHS spends 0.03% of its budget on.

 

[mack341]

 

[goatwack]

Wow, everyone from Joe Biden to the Archbishop of Canterbury's sticking the boot into friend-sacker Truss!

Also condemnatory assessment from Mr Bean! Albeit Sir Charles Bean, the central bank's former deputy governor, laying the UK's recent financial calamities at Truss and Kwarteng's door, via the disaster that was the mini- Budget, and not at the world events surrounding it, like Ukraine.

I think it's fair to say when politicians initiate a 'cause and effect' and spectacularly botch it up, as they clearly did, they should rightfully be held accountable. And unless it just so happens to be a major conspiracy plot involving the likes of thousands of leading financial kingpins, industry experts, foreign leaders and now even holy men, maybe one has to accept that they really gone and f***ed it up real gud!

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[ChopleyIOM]

The problem Truss has is she's tried to do Thatcherism without the bits that helped Thatcher along. In the 1980s the UK had North Sea oil, it'd joined the EU in the 70s, and she had all those lovely goodies to privatise too.

Thatcher pushed very hard for increasing UK/EU economic integration, because she realised how beneficial it would be to the UK's economy, although she did push back against other elements of the EU. (She was also bright enough to work out that was the smart way to go about it, i.e. be IN the club and use your influence as a top-table member to get what you want.)

And then of course, we threw it all away. Thanks, Brexit.

As for Truss, I'd give her 50/50 on lasting another two weeks as Prime Minister. I'd say with 99% certainty she won't lead the Tories into the next general election.

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[ChopleyIOM]

I think this is going to be pretty close.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

So in a highly, highly unusual intervention, Jeremy Hunt - (this week's Chancellor, in case you're having trouble keeping up) - is making a statement at 11am, where he's bringing forward some elements from the government's medium term financial plan.

In simple terms, The Treasury is genuinely worried that international investors are going to refuse to take on UK government debt, or if they do, it will be at horribly high interest rates.

The damage caused by the Kami-Kwasi mini-budget continues to be felt.

What happens in the money markets today will be highly significant.

@Webzcas - Call me old-fashioned, but I wouldn't advocate for running a country's economy like a crazy game of high stakes poker at the end of a wild-eyed booze and cocaine bender.

Never again will the Tories be able to claim they're the party of economic competence.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

So Hunt has basically shredded the mini-budget, reversing just about everything, and scaling back the energy price guarantee to a substantial margin.

Truss is finished. She's done. A Prime Minister in name only, with no authority and none of her signature policies remaining. She should resign immediately, but she'll be pushed soon anyway, probably by the end of the week.

Expect a new wave of austerity coming in off the back of this as well, Hunt explicitly warning about 'difficult' decisions to come on tax and spend.

All in a day's work for the Tories, I guess.

 

[megadam]

Pardon my french but Jeremy Cunt is an absolute tool and this party is now absolutely finished.

Who the fuck are they appealing to? Dangle the carrot for self-employed contractors about repealing the abhorrent, tax black hole that the IR35 reforms had and actually generate some money? No let's take that carrot away and fuck that demographic off.

Tax cuts for the wealthiest carrot? Nope let's take that away.

Who at this point are they even appealing to? Seems like let's generate a big enough bonfire before they leave.

 

[shadow123]

Posted in July that Truss was incompetant and not up to the job,could see it a mile off.To make it worse she made a team from
hell appointing a clueless chancellor.
What gets me is how the MP,s could ever have voted her into office and are now tearing her to shreds, they must take some of the
blame.
In my view the only way of restoring any credibility for the tories in to get Boris back in,I know he did a lot of of stupid things with the Covid jollies but but he got the big things right,thats all that matters.

 

[slot_zombie]

In my view the only way of restoring any credibility for the tories in to get Boris back in,I know he did a lot of of stupid things with the Covid jollies but but he got the big things right,thats all that matters.

The issue with that is that he did bugger all. apart from a few "high visibility" things like throwing lots of money at Ukraine and vaccines. He had zero vision or strategic plan for the country. Not suggesting for a moment that the current clowns are any different, of course.

 

[shadow123]

I know he wasted a lot of money on Covid but it was new challenge no other PM in living memory has had to face and we did get it
under control.Truss really pissed the Russians off over Ukraine making stupid uniformed and undiplomatic comments
Sorry she just winds me up so much. i know many disagree but Boris,s great legacy was to get us out of Brexit,Tessa May farted about for years and did nothing to implememt the peoples wishes,Boris sorted it out straight away

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Pardon my french but Jeremy Cunt is an absolute tool and this party is now absolutely finished.

Who the fuck are they appealing to? Dangle the carrot for self-employed contractors about repealing the abhorrent, tax black hole that the IR35 reforms had and actually generate some money? No let's take that carrot away and fuck that demographic off.

Tax cuts for the wealthiest carrot? Nope let's take that away.

Who at this point are they even appealing to? Seems like let's generate a big enough bonfire before they leave.

This was purely a statement to calm the markets, they need to borrow tens and tens of billions of pounds over the next couple of years and because they won't do QE (which would be by far the better option), and with UK gilts getting increasingly expensive, there was a genuine risk that, in simple terms, they wouldn't be able to afford it.

They can't get the money via economic growth because Brexit has crippled us (don't take my word for it, look at what the cold-eyed markets have decided), so all they could do was row back the unfunded tax cuts and start talking about slashing public spending.

Interest rates will still have to go up a lot more, and inflation won't be going down any time soon, we'll most likely have a pretty nasty recession next year, with all the pain that entails.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

I know he wasted a lot of money on Covid but it was new challenge no other PM in living memory has had to face and we did get it
under control.Truss really pissed the Russians off over Ukraine making stupid uniformed and undiplomatic comments
Sorry she just winds me up so much. i know many disagree but Boris,s great legacy was to get us out of Brexit,Tessa May farted about for years and did nothing to implememt the peoples wishes,Boris sorted it out straight away

If by 'sorted it out' you mean he just caved into the EU and pretty much gave them everything they wanted, as well as throwing NI under the bus with a border down the Irish Sea, then yes, I guess he did. Theresa May did at least understand the implications of her actions and refused to put said border down the Irish Sea.

Still, I hope you are enjoying all your Brexit benefits.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Starmer given leave to ask an urgent question in the Commons this afternoon.

Truss bottles it and sends Mordaunt to answer it for instead.

 

[megadam]

If by 'sorted it out' you mean he just caved into the EU and pretty much gave them everything they wanted, as well as throwing NI under the bus with a border down the Irish Sea, then yes, I guess he did. Theresa May did at least understand the implications of her actions and refused to put said border down the Irish Sea.

Still, I hope you are enjoying all your Brexit benefits.

Bit of an insidious reply that one Degsy....on the one hand giving us a lot of dialogue about UK politics as if you care and then on the other saying "Enjoy the island and fire you're on, I'm not on it but will commentate at a safe distance"

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Bit of an insidious reply that one Degsy....on the one hand giving us a lot of dialogue about UK politics as if you care and then on the other saying "Enjoy the island and fire you're on, I'm not on it but will commentate at a safe distance"

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[ChopleyIOM]

Bit of an insidious reply that one Degsy....on the one hand giving us a lot of dialogue about UK politics as if you care and then on the other saying "Enjoy the island and fire you're on, I'm not on it but will commentate at a safe distance"

And honestly, I'm kind of out of patience with it now to an extent. Fine, whatever reasons people had to vote for Brexit back in 2016, it's done, it's water under the bridge, the whole campaign was a pack of lies and if people bought into them I don't blame them.

But now? In late 2022? To still defend Brexit at this point to me is just beyond reason, it's beyond sanity, it's into the realms of saying water is dry and fire is cold, that black is white and up is down - it's a denial of objective reality.

I'm British, I was born in Britain, even if I don't live there anymore, and to see what twelve years of disastrous Tory rule, along with the ruinous Tory Brexit have done to it, makes me weep.

 

[megadam]

Then why reply in such a flippant backhanded way as to how you did? It doesn't give you any credibility at all to what you post in here.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Then why reply in such a flippant backhanded way as to how you did? It doesn't give you any credibility at all to what you post in here.

I've written a huge amount over in the Brexit thread over the last few years, and there's a massive wealth of information out in the public domain now for anyone who even remotely cares to inform themselves.

As such, a statement along the lines of 'Boris got Brexit sorted out straight away' is probably going to garner a pretty flippant response.

Nothing personal against shadow123.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Penny Mordaunt actually performing pretty well in the Commons, she's a good communicator and far more effective than Truss is at the despatch box.

I suspect a lot of Tory MPs will be thinking they made a terrible mistake not getting her through to the final two in the leadership contest.

Still, since Truss will be out on her ear in fairly short order, they've still got the opportunity to have her as leader before too long.

I'm amazed Truss hasn't done the decent thing and resigned already.

 

[goatwack]

It's a bit of a mess presently, isn't it! Hunt's already been at loggerheads with Truss, but then, who hasn't she pissed off by now, in her own Cabinet!

Defence Secretary throwing out the preemptive ultimatums, Home Secretary being kept out of Immigration policies, and of course her trusted Chancellor and lifelong fr-......(no, bugger.....that was the other guy).....her Chancellor appointed as a panic measure, Jeremy Hunt.

The man who has limited financial acumen, and who I remember having copped a lot of flak himself the last couple of years. How do these people always end up in the top positions? It's a cronyistic merry-go-round within their Tory bubble, like shuffling a deck of shit-covered playing cards - you think you got the Aces but ultimately they still smell suspect.

So Liz 'I'm In Charge' Truss has resorted to letting everyone know who's boss, which sort of implies she's lost her authority a long time ago and is desperately clinging on, and has wheeled out The Hunt to tell us what we needed to hear, from a set of events we never wanted to hear to begin with, aka the mini-Budget!

With the 'actual' Budget now favoured to occur late October, we're yet to see all that will bring, but with Hunt having served his usefulness, with a delivery so 'human' it made Truss blush, it'll be interesting to see whether he'll be around to deliver that at all.

Yet I'd imagine even if so, post-October it may well be the end of Hunt's tenure as Chancellor, as the party readies itself for the General Election, with one final leadership shuffle....

 

[goatwack]

"Tories have run out of credibility, and now they've run out of Chancellors!"

- she ain't wrong

 

[shadow123]

I've written a huge amount over in the Brexit thread over the last few years, and there's a massive wealth of information out in the public domain now for anyone who even remotely cares to inform themselves.

As such, a statement along the lines of 'Boris got Brexit sorted out straight away' is probably going to garner a pretty flippant response.

Nothing personal against shadow123.

No offence take but the UK is a democracy the people spoke and it was up to the policitians to carry out their will
Cameron took the mardy route and fucked off, May waffled on for years and never had any intention of getting us out.
I repeat without apology that Boris got us out straight away.Many people may have disagreed with coming out but
thats irrelevant to the argument, we were given the choice

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Looking at Truss in the Commons this afternoon it's impossible not to feel empathy for her on a basic human level. She entered, sat down, didn't speak, blinking rapidly with a strange sort of rictus smile on her face, and then left again.

She must be going through hell at the moment, being Prime Minister of the UK would be stressful enough as it is, but knowing that a lot of her own party want her gone, that she's massively unpopular in the country, that if she took them to a general election her party would be destroyed, and that she'll probably be out of the job within a week must be almost unbearable.

She's so far out of her depth in the role, and frankly I think she must know it, I'm sure we've all had times in our lives where we don't know what the fuck we're doing but know that we've fucked up, and knowing that we're sinking, it's a not a pleasant feeling.

I honestly hope she resigns and takes some time away from the spotlight to rest and recover. I hate what she's done but I don't hate her, she's still a human being and it's important to remember that.

 

[mack341]

I think this from the bbc is informative as to where we are now, from june last year:


As the country starts to emerge from lockdown, the impact it has had on the economy is becoming clearer.

The damage is enormous, but not as bad as feared last year, partly because the vaccines have been so effective.

How much will coronavirus cost the UK?

The government has had to spend many billions of pounds to fight coronavirus and protect the economy. The lockdown has reduced the amount of money the government raises in taxes.

This has meant the government has had to borrow huge sums of money.

In the first year of the pandemic, from April 2020 to 2021, it borrowed £299bn, the highest figure since records began in 1946.

The government is expected to borrow less in the current year, April 2021 to 2022, though the figure could still be more than £200bn.

[bear in mind the energy cap help was budgeted at costing 100 billion and has now had to be time reduced]

Can the UK afford all this debt?

Until recently, the government has been able to borrow easily at very low interest rates, which has made its debt more affordable.

At the moment it pays just 0.77% interest to borrow for 10 years.

It's still low but interest rates have been rising recently - and the higher they go, the harder it will be to support the UK's debt burden.

And in any case, interest payments will weigh on future generations until the debt is paid off, meaning there is less money available for public services, or tax cuts.

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Truss's theory was that sharp austerity would cause a deeper recession, then the govt would get less tax receipts again, shops and businesses would go under that might survive if the public's income was helped [via tax cuts].

Just because the market reacts in a certain way doesn't mean switching to policies they prefer more is in the long term interests of the country. Though the tax cut for 150k+ earners was distinctly questionable however. [Edit: I think most of her tax cuts were mainly reverses of recent rises, basically putting the tax rates back to where they had been until 2021]

In reference to one of Chop's favourite financial/political gurus Gary, where did the 400-500 billion go, why hasn't that recirculated fully in the economy so the govt's tax apparatus can reclaw a good portion back.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

In reference to one of Chop's favourite financial/political gurus Gary, where did the 400-500 billion go, why hasn't that recirculated fully in the economy so the govt's tax apparatus can reclaw a good portion back.

The rich either kept it, bought assets with it, or squirrelled it away out of the country. Because we're so incredibly bad at taxing wealth (as opposed to income, which is taxed very efficiently), they can basically just keep the lot. It's also the major driver behind house price rises over the last couple of years.

Remember, that 400-500 billion quid essentially ended up in the pockets of the rich, and they're not much inclined to give any of it back.

(And the sad truth is Labour don't really have much in the way of any plans to try and get any of it back either.)

 

[09237653]

No offence take but the UK is a democracy the people spoke and it was up to the policitians to carry out their will
Cameron took the mardy route and fucked off, May waffled on for years and never had any intention of getting us out.
I repeat without apology that Boris got us out straight away.Many people may have disagreed with coming out but
thats irrelevant to the argument, we were given the choice

So does the will of the people rule still apply now that polls show 60% support for rejoin? especially after the absolute disaster even brexiteers now say it is.

 

[goatwack]

The media's been running with stories of Truss' frailty, given her 29-minute cameo earlier today.

Fact is, I couldn't care less about her feelings and overbearing weight of expectation, she's a political veteran and more than versed in what the job would entail. Now the country's stuck with a dead duck PM who we're supposed to pity, made all the worse when the same thing happened with Theresa May's descent into a warbling wreck towards the end of her stint. A pattern perhaps?

Labour's got a 36-point lead in the latest polls, and if the Conservatives want to stand any chance of salvaging a close fight at the next GE, nevermind an actual victory, then perhaps they ought to stop dicking about and actually put someone capable in charge.

This is more of an embarrassment than Labour's protracted post- Corbyn leadership search. And the longer this calamitous in-fighting continues, the more we all suffer....

 

[Mr_Slot5]

So does the will of the people rule still apply now that polls show 60% support for rejoin? especially after the absolute disaster even brexiteers now say it is.

There's probably 30% of people who are steadfast either side i.e 30% leave and 30% Europhile.

That leaves a huge swing % of 40% These are people who will be fairweather voters and prone to shifts in the mood music. That's the issue. The overall landscape hasn't changed since the referendum. We can't keep doing the EU Hokey Cokey every 10 years dependent on the whims of people who don't really care either way.

We could rejoin tomorrow, then in two years time there's another EU issue and sentiment swings back the other way again. Do we keep having referenda?

Oh and it's only a disaster because the media and other big outlets keep telling us it is...All that's happening is the swing voters are being swayed by the mood music. We simply cannot judge the success (or not) of Brexit for a decade.

 

[goatwack]

I always wondered if it was 'referendums' or 'referenda'. I mean with cactuses and cacti that's pretty much revealed, but referenda sounds like something from the 1400s

 

[shadow123]

So does the will of the people rule still apply now that polls show 60% support for rejoin? especially after the absolute disaster even brexiteers now say it is.

Does the will of the people who voted the Tories into power but now want them out still apply ?.We are given one chance every 5 years to make our
choice (far too long I think), we make that choice according to factors that exist at that time.Nothing we can do if things go tits up halfway through
a parliament.Politicians will always lie through their teeth to influence voters and get the result they want.

 

[megadam]

Looking at Truss in the Commons this afternoon it's impossible not to feel empathy for her on a basic human level. She entered, sat down, didn't speak, blinking rapidly with a strange sort of rictus smile on her face, and then left again.

She must be going through hell at the moment, being Prime Minister of the UK would be stressful enough as it is, but knowing that a lot of her own party want her gone, that she's massively unpopular in the country, that if she took them to a general election her party would be destroyed, and that she'll probably be out of the job within a week must be almost unbearable.

She's so far out of her depth in the role, and frankly I think she must know it, I'm sure we've all had times in our lives where we don't know what the fuck we're doing but know that we've fucked up, and knowing that we're sinking, it's a not a pleasant feeling.

I honestly hope she resigns and takes some time away from the spotlight to rest and recover. I hate what she's done but I don't hate her, she's still a human being and it's important to remember that.

You want me to feel empathy for a she-harpy that's being remunerated very highly, that has landed herself in the very position through her own fault and wanted to take this job on despite having previous experience of what happened to the last Conservative leader and part of the very problem? I don't feel empathy, she can easily afford to spend however much she'd need to spend on help and would be able to get it.

Ordinary people on the other hand don't have that choice.

 

[dunover]

Looking at Truss in the Commons this afternoon it's impossible not to feel empathy for her on a basic human level. She entered, sat down, didn't speak, blinking rapidly with a strange sort of rictus smile on her face, and then left again.

She must be going through hell at the moment, being Prime Minister of the UK would be stressful enough as it is, but knowing that a lot of her own party want her gone, that she's massively unpopular in the country, that if she took them to a general election her party would be destroyed, and that she'll probably be out of the job within a week must be almost unbearable.

She's so far out of her depth in the role, and frankly I think she must know it, I'm sure we've all had times in our lives where we don't know what the fuck we're doing but know that we've fucked up, and knowing that we're sinking, it's a not a pleasant feeling.

I honestly hope she resigns and takes some time away from the spotlight to rest and recover. I hate what she's done but I don't hate her, she's still a human being and it's important to remember that.

She has a really nice bosom though. Best in the house since Jess Phillips got older.

 

[mack341]

Not sure about Cummings but think he is right here:

 

[goatwack]

Slivery and embittered Cummingsssss probably has a few personal gripes with the party, as he's become rather much an unemployable pariah.

He may well be right about a few things, but a lot of what he says seems steeped in resentment, and lest we forget he had no problems sticking two fingers up when flouting those special Lockdown times for his own self-interests.

And that potty mouth! Plus what 50 year-old ex statesman writes 'mahoooosiv'?

 

[ChopleyIOM]

It's quite interesting to see how often the UK needs saving from the Tories after, erm, twelve years of Tory rule.

Next up, 'WHY WE MUST BACK RISHI TO SAVE UK'.

One almost starts to wonder if they're not actually very good at it.

Interesting thread here about all the stuff they've fucked up since they took over from Labour.