U.S. government enjoys seized funds.

The comments following that article are very interesting and almost entirely condemnatory of the enforcement authorities, accusing them of stealing money earned in a harmless pastime practised largely within the homes of adult Americans.

I hope the enforcement authorities take note before bragging about how much seized money they have received and what they're spending it on.
 
i guess the porn sites don,t make enough money for it to be worth their time to bust.

oh wait they are most likly getting a kickback from the people who run those sites just to look the other way.

this is enough to piss anyone off.:mad::mad::mad::mad:

and while they are busy busting the gambling sites for letting us spend our money the way we want.

there are durg dealers and baby killers running all over the place.

:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad: i wish they would make better use of their time.
 
They may just have shot themselves in the foot with the new weapons they have bought. It seems the comments have blown away the myth that the money was seized from the companies, and make it clear that it was seized from PLAYERS. The DoJ have always maintained that these monies were being seized from the companies and "criminal gangs".
This news is also appearing in mainstream media, rather than online gambling related news media. ALL Americans are seeing the vigour with which online gambing is being pursued, and comparing this with the lack of vigour with which other undesirable activities have been pursued.
They may also wonder why organised crime has INCREASED in their perception if so much money has been seized from the criminal gangs responsible.
The brighter sparks may also notice that these "criminal gangs" have London stock market listing:rolleyes:

Now, all you need is to "out" a few senators and congressmen as keen online players, who have somehow managed not to get THEIR money seized;)
 
I hope they leave the photos up for awhile... I want to snag them and 'play' a bit with them.... Dammit... wish I had more time.
 
As a fan of Roman history, it amazes me that nothing has really changed in politics since the days of the Roman Empire - and probably long before. Campaign "funding", dodgy ways of passing through new laws, Guantanamo and this sort of thing prove the point. Although, on the bright side, at least we have good sewerage systems and curly roads now.
 
As a fan of Roman history, it amazes me that nothing has really changed in politics since the days of the Roman Empire - and probably long before. Campaign "funding", dodgy ways of passing through new laws, Guantanamo and this sort of thing prove the point. Although, on the bright side, at least we have good sewerage systems and curly roads now.
I've thought the same thing myself.
It depresses me... In over 2 thousand years.. we haven't learned anything about advancing our race past the selfish greedy behavior of apes.
Will we keep repeating the same mistakes over and over, till the Sun goes Nova?
Seems that way sometimes.
 
i guess the porn sites don,t make enough money for it to be worth their time to bust.

oh wait they are most likly getting a kickback from the people who run those sites just to look the other way.

this is enough to piss anyone off.:mad::mad::mad::mad:

and while they are busy busting the gambling sites for letting us spend our money the way we want.

there are durg dealers and baby killers running all over the place.

:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad: i wish they would make better use of their time.


I really enjoy some good porn once in a while and like Bryan said, porn is legal in the US so I can`t see why they should be "busted".
 
Welp, that was a sickening article. One big, self-congratulatory piece of crap.

I agree with jetset, though, and I'm glad people are taking notice.

I'm particularly fond of this gem:
JJK said:
You guys are just terrible human beings. You are literally spending money that legally belonged to thousands of average people across the USA. And you gloat about it in a news publication? You are deplorable people. I've never been more embarrassed to be an American. Despicable.
 
Porn, well you'll find a lot of sex crimes going on in this country and not always between legal aged consenting adults. I would venture to say that most sex offenders and pediphiles are also porn partakers.

How many people have been arrested for pulling someones arm thinking they were a slot machine? None!

Thanks for that very revealing link 4Ofakind, To bad those idiots don't realize the money stolen is from their very own honest, hard working voters!
 
Porn is 100% legal in the states - just so the performers are 18 or older.

yes i know they are legal in the states.

no accounting for taste:barf:

just as many people become addicted to porn as to gambling and they 2 lose everything

family home life saving.

shows you how messed up
the u.s is when they tell us we can,t spend our money playing on-line.

but its o.k to watch people f--king each other and then as some people do go out and rape someone.

and no one on here is going to tell me that that does not happen.

what harm does on-line gambling do?

on line porn on the other hand shows a warp since of how 2 people should act together

and there are no blocks to keep young kids from stumbling on these sites.

its all about the money the goverment is stealing from u.s players if they really wanted

to stop us from gambling on-line they could they choose not to caz then they would lose all that money that they get from busting sites.

if one is allowed and people are allowed to spend their money on crap like porn then we should also be allowed to spend our money on playing on-line.

makes no since to me. jmho.

p.s all i,m saying is that the same reasons they are using for stoping on-line gambling can be used for porn also.

so if they are going to go after one then they should go after the other one as well.
 
....so if they are going to go after one then they should go after the other one as well.

I really don`t understand why you are comparing porn with gambling. You obviously do not like porn, that is OK of course. But to say that online gambling should be legalized because porn is legal or that they need to "go after" porn sites since they are going after gambling sites is really not valid arguments in my opinion. These are two completely different industries.

As an admirer of the online gambling industry and porn, I really hope that you Americans will have the opportunity to legally enjoy both of these great things in the future :thumbsup:
 
This is a little off topic (although not so much as the porn stuff...), so...
How does it work if the DoJ, or whoever, wants to start going after the players? Can they/ would they be able to subpeona ISPs from sites such as this to gain member information? If you search around the forum there is enough member contribution (winner screenshots, the ATB section, payment processor section, etc...)to "hang" the majority of US players. I'm just curious, and am NOT trying to start any suppositions/conspiracy theories or anything.
 
I really enjoy some good porn once in a while and like Bryan said, porn is legal in the US so I can`t see why they should be "busted".

:thumbsup:
Matter of fact, you kinda look like your wanking off
to some porn in that avatar of you there. ;)

Curled up to the desk and watching some "Hot Latinas"


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They forgot to mention the bonus checks for police officers and personnel associated with this sting...
(Operation: Texas Hold Up' Your Money)
What a bunch of degenerates.
 
I really don`t understand why you are comparing porn with gambling. You obviously do not like porn, that is OK of course. But to say that online gambling should be legalized because porn is legal or that they need to "go after" porn sites since they are going after gambling sites is really not valid arguments in my opinion. These are two completely different industries.

As an admirer of the online gambling industry and porn, I really hope that you Americans will have the opportunity to legally enjoy both of these great things in the future :thumbsup:

yes it is valid at least the way i look at it.

i agree they are two completely diffdent industries but what i,m trying to say is the reasons they give for going after on-line gaming.

people get addicted to gambling and lose their homes familys and life saving underage kids can gamble on-line on and on right.

well there are some people who get addicted to porn and lose everything 2 and if you don,t want to think porn then think anything that someone can get addicted to.

why is it that the goverment has the right to pick and choose what we can and can not do?

kind of makes them the goverment two faced when they say we can do one thing but slap our hand and tell us we don,t have the right to do the other thing.

when in fact both things have the same end results with some people they end up losing everything.

o.k enough if no one can understand what i,m saying.

thanks 4 of a kind
 
@kauphy...
I understand where you are coming from I think. Why is it legal for an industry to operate which "encourages" the likes of rapists and pedophiles? Definitely more harmful in ALL aspects than online gambling. Did I get it right?
 
Porn, well you'll find a lot of sex crimes going on in this country and not always between legal aged consenting adults. I would venture to say that most sex offenders and pediphiles are also porn partakers.

How many people have been arrested for pulling someones arm thinking they were a slot machine? None!

Thanks for that very revealing link 4Ofakind, To bad those idiots don't realize the money stolen is from their very own honest, hard working voters!

They might not, but come November 2012, the voters may well have seen enough of these stories to realise that all this money IS being taken from THEM, rather than the overseas companies.

Currently, the casinos have made good the seized funds by ensuring the players get paid again through whatever alternative method they manage to set up. This is all to do with them wanting the players to keep coming back, and nothing to do with their morals. If they decide NOT to carry on trying to serve US players, they may NOT make good the latest batch of seized payouts, and it seems QT are arguing that they are not responsible for making the payouts again by an alternative method, but are telling customers that they have left the market, and that they need to contact the DoJ, because that is where the money is. The DoJ are telling players that they do NOT have their money, but this is BS, because they DO have the money in those seized accounts, and QT say this money was the accumulation of the latest customer payments that had been blocked by the DoJ operation from reaching players.

QT may well have much more money, but they know the DoJ can't get at it, and since they no longer want to serve the US market, they don't care about keeping the trust of their former US customers by trying to pay them again with other money.

Ecocard separated QT off into a separate company, and this company probably does NOT have any "other money", as it was a means to ring fence the US monies so that problems would not impact upon the international business.

The QT subsidiary will probably be put into liquidation, and even though US customers would have a valid claim, there would be no money there - it would all be behind the "firewall" constructed by Ecocard, and they would not be responsible for the debts of their QT subsidiary.
This is a common business trick, and often used to protect a company's core business from their high risk ventures. The high risk venture can fail, but not bring the whole company down with it.

The only pressure there is on Ecocard to pay up is the possibilty that their international cutomers will lose faith in the ability of Ecocard to keep THEIR money safe, and having a wide choice of eWallet providers, may decide to move away from Ecocard to one seen as better at protecting customers' funds when things go wrong.

November 2012 may be an opportunity for players to put pressure on the government to make sure they get their money back one way or another from these seizures, and making these stories mainstream will ensure that ALL voters get a chance to see what is going on, rather than just those who use online gambling sites.
 
Not everyone that loooks at porn is potentially harmful to others - as with gambling - but both areas can lead to problems. But it's a minority and that minority feeds the press who in turn feed us.

Rather than comparing porn and gambling I think a better parallel would be alcohol and gambling. The same principles apply in that not everyone who drinks will go on to harm someone but surely the social issues caused by alcohol far outweigh those from gambling?

Anyway, the issues with this DOJ thing are nothing to do with whether gambling is illegal, they don't care who is playing it at home, many of those involved in cracking down on the industry probably even enjoy a hand of poker themselves. It's only about money. Now the receession has bit and someone pointed out that there are billions of $$ in the industry it's simply a question of kicking everyone out and taking over.
 
@kauphy...
I understand where you are coming from I think. Why is it legal for an industry to operate which "encourages" the likes of rapists and pedophiles? Definitely more harmful in ALL aspects than online gambling. Did I get it right?

yes right on the head.

people who are addected to porn will in the end lose everything just like those that are addicted to on-line gambling.

and yet the goverment is saying that they are doing this for our own good caz we,er

not smart enough to know how to spend our money and yet you can spend as much as

you want on porn and nothing is said.

or anything your addicted to.

just shows you how 2 faced the goverment really is.

its all about the money for them.
 
They take MY Money... Without Due Process.

I can't file a Legal Complaint, I can't go to court to get my money back and I can't sue the DOJ.

And now I am supposed to pay them taxes...
 
They take MY Money... Without Due Process.

I can't file a Legal Complaint, I can't go to court to get my money back and I can't sue the DOJ.

And now I am supposed to pay them taxes...

Are they above the law?

Our MP's thought they were, but the judges taught them differently, and a couple of them recently got jailed for fraud for cheating on their expenses.

It just needs someone powerful enough, and with the confidence needed, to take them on. Obviously, they will crush the ordinary citizen, but the government was forced to give in the the demands of the bankers, because the bankers said "save us, or the economy will collapse beyond repair". It was a game of chicken, and only one big bank had it's bluff called, and went bust.
 
If there handing out siezed funds , where is our money at???

Well now a portion of yours is hanging out in that wad in the middle scallywags coat. Mine bought some tear gas to prepare for the gamblers riot.

As for why porn is alive and well, the feds already own it and it's a lucrative business.

Afterall, they got to keep up with the times and innovations of WMD's and this cost big bucks.

When the feds finally take over the online casino business, as soon as the competition is eliminated, then all will be good again and we can all go back to our normal secure and freedom filled lifestyles.

:rolleyes: Vent
 
Are they above the law?

Our MP's thought they were, but the judges taught them differently, and a couple of them recently got jailed for fraud for cheating on their expenses.

It just needs someone powerful enough, and with the confidence needed, to take them on. Obviously, they will crush the ordinary citizen, but the government was forced to give in the the demands of the bankers, because the bankers said "save us, or the economy will collapse beyond repair". It was a game of chicken, and only one big bank had it's bluff called, and went bust.

This police "seizure" law goes back to the late 80's, war on drugs.
They got around the Constitution by making these type of seizures legal.
all a cop in the US has to do is find a large amount of cash on someone and say "OH this must be illegal", no arrestes have to be made and there are NO court dates set for a Judge to hear the case. The then money disappears into the legal system, that same system then gets to 'hand' out their ill gotten gains any way they see fit... And no way for the person who had the money take from in the first place to defend themselves or any way for them to get their money back.

Oh and so far in 20+ years only a small hand full of people have ever even been given their day in court to defend the fact they had a 'large' amount of cash on their person and they had to prove they were not Guilty and provide a reasonable explanation as to why they had cash on them. All this is in a FREE country... Pass the Apple Pie...
 
FEDS AGAIN

This is my first posting so I hope I have it in the correct place.
I subscribe to Newsmax.com and this article was #4 in this mornings news.
I thought you might find it interesting.

Mary Jean



Feds’ Poker Ban Called Assault on Internet Freedom
The U.S. Department of Justice’s shutdown of three foreign-based online poker websites “has made a
mockery of America’s stated commitment to Internet freedom.”
That’s the view of the Competitive Enterprise Institute (CEI), an organization dedicated to “free
markets and limited government.”
On April 15, the DOJ seized the domain names of the three major poker sites, a move that affected
online gambling operations in countries where Internet poker is lawful and the U.S. government has no
jurisdiction.
The Poker Star site is registered in the Isle of Man, Full Tilt Poker in Ireland, and Absolute Poker in
Antigua. But the U.S. government could unilaterally seize their domain names, shutting down access,
because the three end in “.com.” All such domains are registered in the United States and subject to
some American laws.
“Federal agents obtained a court order that compelled Verisign, the operator of the .com registry, to
reroute the poker sites’ domain names to a government page featuring intimidating federal logos
notifying users of the seizure,” the CEI reported.
Therefore “no computer in the world, even those in countries where poker is explicitly legal, could
access the poker sites via their domain names.”
The DOJ has agreed to unfreeze the domains for Poker Stars and Full Tilt to allow players to cash out
their accounts and foreign players to gamble on the sites. But Absolute Poker is considering
challenging the American government’s move before the World Trade Organization.
“It is deeply troubling that the United States, a country that purports to value individual freedom, has so
miserably failed to it protect it when it comes to politically incorrect pursuits like online gambling,” the
CEI concludes.
“The DOJ’s heavy-handed tactics should outrage anybody who values freedom and individual rights.”
 
The reporter's followup on this ...

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Have edited the photo in that story for accuracy!:p

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Gremmy
 
What a bunch of crap. They get new equipment (in these touch economic times) by taking the money of thousands of people , who, with their little gambling wins would have probably poured it back in to the economy in their own "jurisdiction". I certainly hope they are proud of themselves as the average "joe blow down the street" gets screwed by the government yet again:mad:
 
What a bunch of crap. They get new equipment (in these touch economic times) by taking the money of thousands of people , who, with their little gambling wins would have probably poured it back in to the economy in their own "jurisdiction". I certainly hope they are proud of themselves as the average "joe blow down the street" gets screwed by the government yet again:mad:

Yeah... I love this part....

“Illegal gambling proceeds are forfeited to the government,” spokeswoman Vickie E. LeDuc said. “Anyone who believes that an Internet gambling business owes them money can try to collect from the Internet gambling business. The government is not going to give the money to gamblers.”

Just reading that... I hear something like a 'sneer' there... I do believe Ms Vickie Fancyname looks down her nose at us.... I guess gamblers are second class citizens and don't really matter.
 
ironic isn't it

that they take the photo inside a casino [nit wits ] i bet not a penny to go for starving children

there all fkd up rc
 
This can't be right. Do we have definitive proof that we will not get refunded?

I ask because it isn't just gamblers that use QT.

What about an American Affiliate that promotes poker to Europeans? If they are paid commission via QT then there is no gambling from that person. I am having a hard time thinking that this is just the end of it and the money is *poof* up in smoke. Gone. Not regainable by at least affiliates.
 

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