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U.K. Subways Drop Bacon and Ham from Menu to Comply with Halal

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Subway removes ham and bacon from nearly 200 stores and offers halal meat only after 'strong demand' from Muslims

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I understand that Subway restaurants are privately owned and can sell whatever they want, but how long will it take for you guys to realize that you'll be in deep, deep shit before long? Because right now it does look like the UK is the blueprint of the Western World slowly falling to Muslims.
 
Subway removes ham and bacon from nearly 200 stores and offers halal meat only after 'strong demand' from Muslims

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I understand that Subway restaurants are privately owned and can sell whatever they want, but how long will it take for you guys to realize that you'll be in deep, deep shit before long? Because right now it does look like the UK is the blueprint of the Western World slowly falling to Muslims.

This is total BS if I ask for a rasher (what we call bacon in Uk and Ireland) I want a rasher not a turkey rasher. I respect that the chain wants to accommodate their Muslim customers but not to the expense of others. So why can't they offer both ham and bacon for the rest of us and Halal meat for the Muslims?

This is political correctness going apeshit IMHO.
 
This is total BS if I ask for a rasher (what we call bacon in Uk and Ireland) I want a rasher not a turkey rasher. I respect that the chain wants to accommodate their Muslim customers but not to the expense of others.

But then their food could possibly get contaminated by pork products.

It's not about political correctness, it's about bending over for people that are just waiting their chance to take over the whole place. Islam is a religion of conquerors, that's what they do and that's why they are the fastest growing religion in the world, by far.

it is predicted that the world's Muslim population will grow twice as fast as non-Muslims over the next 20 years. By 2030, Muslims will make up more than a quarter of the global population.

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Those who praise multiculturalism and compromises are in for a big surprise, they'll quickly realize that their lifestyle isn't well suited for living under an Islamic regime. This is especially true for women!
 
Subway are completely missing the point. It is NOT merely an issue about balancing animal welfare with religious views, it is about making 185 stores "Muslim only" by excluding certain products from being sold to ANY customers, even if this offends the non Muslim ones.

Proper balance would be to have the OPTION for halal meat should a customer ask for it, but also the option of bacon for those non Muslim and non Jewish customers who want it. Given that bacon is an iconic British food, along with the pork sausage, Subway could find that they end up with ONLY Muslim customers if the rest decide to boycott the chain over this, and looking at Facebook, this is a distinct possibility. The backlash will not be confined to just those 185 stores either, it will be ALL stores as it will be seen as an action by the chain, not individual stores.

We are already seeing a rapid growth in popularity of our own "extremist" parties, the UKIP and BNP, and if these manage to hold the balance of power in a future election, the whole ethnic community will suffer for the PC stupidity of the few.

There was also a recent documentary on "fake food", and it featured some takeaway shops substituting Turkey products for pork, but they hid this from customers and got into trouble from Trading Standards. When asked why they were dishonest, one owner said that if they were honest, they would go bust because MOST customers wanted the genuine Pork products.

There is nothing wrong with offering the turkey substitutes along with the Quorn veggie options, provided the originals are available, and there is honesty regarding what's in the food.

Shops are still in the spotlight over the recent scandal of substituting Horse meat for Beef. Again, if it was labelled as Horse, no problem (probably few customers too), it was the dishonesty and the involvement of the big supermarket chains that did the damage.

Now, if another company had any sense, they would jump at this by offering their own "guaranteed Halal Free" Subway style products, and poach the Subway customers who are not happy about this, but won't boycott because they can't find an alternative.
 
Oh Good Lord, and Christians have had their share of historical mostrosities and we served fish on Fridays in school for Catholics - people adapt, religions change and evolve, and often for the better by general consensus. Religions can and DO work with other religions when forced to integrate.
You're speaking of extreme Muslims. Well, there has been and still are extreme findamentalists from religions more 'popular' or mainstream from a Western perspective.
I've LIVED in a 90% Muslim country. Was it perfect? No. Has it changed? Of course. Not every girl is wearing jibab and bhurkas these days- why, some even have sex, go to clubs and have served as president over a predominantly Muslim country.
And 'we' have certainly imposed our beliefs enough over the years.

Welcome to 2014. We aren't just all white Euro Christians and Catholics over here. It's easy to look down and worry about change. The indigenous didn't and don't always much care for the Euro invasion yet here we are. Maybe it's our turn to deal with some loss of self-entitelment.

And I'm not going to get drawn into a debate. I've a place I spend doiing that. I'm adding my 2 cents and leaving it at that.
 
But then their food could possibly get contaminated by pork products.

It's not about political correctness, it's about bending over for people that are just waiting their chance to take over the whole place. Islam is a religion of conquerors, that's what they do and that's why they are the fastest growing religion in the world, by far.

it is predicted that the world's Muslim population will grow twice as fast as non-Muslims over the next 20 years. By 2030, Muslims will make up more than a quarter of the global population.

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Those who praise multiculturalism and compromises are in for a big surprise, they'll quickly realize that their lifestyle isn't well suited for living under an Islamic regime. This is especially true for women!

I think they already are. There are approx 2.1 billion Christians and 1.6 billion Muslims and I think the world population is a little over 7 billion. Maybe I am naive but I can't see an Islamic takeover in the near future. Not in the democratic world at least. I can't see western countries throwing away democracy in favour of an Islamic state. Even if Muslims make up a quarter of the worlds population there will still be equal or more Christians

Also in countries such as Jordan and Saudi Arabia the women are very well educated so there is a chance in the future that they will start demanding rights and thus changing the face of the Islamic world. All supposition on my part (I am an optimist!).:)

Called my local Subway and they are keeping their bacon!
 
The Subway in my local town has been serving halal meat for quite some time now.
They didnt hide the fact they were doing it.
I love indian takeaways so i get my fair share of halal.
Makes me laugh by looking on the facebook page of my local rag and seeing the amount of people kicking off about it, even though the towns Subway has been halal for ages. And i know a few of these people spouting off think nothing of eating halal from takeaways due to them being members of a facegroup group im in which have reviews of local takeaways.
There is a non halal Subway about a mile away from the halal one which funnily enough is in a heavily populated muslim communitybut the franchise owner of that one wont serve halal
Both the Subways near me are near a Greggs so better get to Greggs
 
Subway are completely missing the point. It is NOT merely an issue about balancing animal welfare with religious views, it is about making 185 stores "Muslim only" by excluding certain products from being sold to ANY customers, even if this offends the non Muslim ones.

Proper balance would be to have the OPTION for halal meat should a customer ask for it, but also the option of bacon for those non Muslim and non Jewish customers who want it. Given that bacon is an iconic British food, along with the pork sausage, Subway could find that they end up with ONLY Muslim customers if the rest decide to boycott the chain over this, and looking at Facebook, this is a distinct possibility. The backlash will not be confined to just those 185 stores either, it will be ALL stores as it will be seen as an action by the chain, not individual stores.

We are already seeing a rapid growth in popularity of our own "extremist" parties, the UKIP and BNP, and if these manage to hold the balance of power in a future election, the whole ethnic community will suffer for the PC stupidity of the few.

There was also a recent documentary on "fake food", and it featured some takeaway shops substituting Turkey products for pork, but they hid this from customers and got into trouble from Trading Standards. When asked why they were dishonest, one owner said that if they were honest, they would go bust because MOST customers wanted the genuine Pork products.

There is nothing wrong with offering the turkey substitutes along with the Quorn veggie options, provided the originals are available, and there is honesty regarding what's in the food.

Shops are still in the spotlight over the recent scandal of substituting Horse meat for Beef. Again, if it was labelled as Horse, no problem (probably few customers too), it was the dishonesty and the involvement of the big supermarket chains that did the damage.

Now, if another company had any sense, they would jump at this by offering their own "guaranteed Halal Free" Subway style products, and poach the Subway customers who are not happy about this, but won't boycott because they can't find an alternative.
Why can't we have a WCWAGA party? Why can't we all get along:) It is possible to embrace diversity while keeping ones national identity. I think if a restaurant chain should not cater to one group of people at the expense of another. Having alternatives like you suggest is a great idea. Everybody is happy that way and nobody gets offended.
 
The Daily Mail is known for being toilet journalism. They regularly blow things out of proportion to make things more sensationalist than they really are. They do it with stories to do with the railway quite often in my experience.

Is this being reported anywhere else with at least a reasonable reputation? If it is then there could be an element of truth to it.

(I haven't read the article BTW. I try to avoid reading Daily Mail articles).
 
The Subway in my local town has been serving halal meat for quite some time now.
They didnt hide the fact they were doing it.
I love indian takeaways so i get my fair share of halal.
Makes me laugh by looking on the facebook page of my local rag and seeing the amount of people kicking off about it, even though the towns Subway has been halal for ages. And i know a few of these people spouting off think nothing of eating halal from takeaways due to them being members of a facegroup group im in which have reviews of local takeaways.
There is a non halal Subway about a mile away from the halal one which funnily enough is in a heavily populated muslim communitybut the franchise owner of that one wont serve halal
Both the Subways near me are near a Greggs so better get to Greggs

Nothing wrong with Halal, I'd even eat it. The problem is making is COMPULSORY to eat it by removing the alternatives. There is also the big problem that our anti-ethnic extremists will leap on this for their own ends, and use this story, manipulate it, and perhaps gain in popularity on the back of it. Far from improving matters, this could create a stronger backlash against the ethnic communities, most of whom are NOT extremist, and would be perfectly happy to have Halal as an option in a store that caters for everybody.

I have seen that my local Londis now devotes an aisle to Polish products, fine. It would not be so fine if the entire store was filled with Polish products, and all non Polish items got excluded. There have been problems when entire shopping streets appear to have been "taken over" by Polish outlets, and it creates tension between the Polish community and others.

This is nothing to do with multiculturalism, if anything, it's a form of voluntary apartheid being practiced by some members of the ethnic community. There is a risk that too much of it could lead to it gradually becoming compulsory by custom, and then through the imposition of regulations. An example might be that a future food and animal welfare bill would make it illegal for Halal products to be sold alongside non Halal on the grounds that the non Halal products might become "contaminated" by the Halal, denying animal rights advocates the choice of not allowing a nanogram of Halal meat to pass their lips. We already have the food police on the case over nuts, with cases of schools banning ALL children from bringing in any product that might have been within a mile of a peanut in their packed lunches, even when there are NO children at said school that have a severe reaction to nuts.

Even though it's only 185 stores, this is still getting on for 20% of the 1000 stores they claim to have in the UK, and they are a big chain, making the move less palatable to the indigenous population. It's very different to a single owner operated takeway in one town to decide to serve Halal only, there are plenty of these in East Reading, but being "local shops" rather than part of a chain, it's seen as a local shop catering for local demand. When Subway do it, it appears as a big chain catering for a minority at the expense of the majority.

Subway bosses are trying to "spin" their way out of this row by seeking to justify the action, but they are effectively saying "that whole area served by that store has been taken over by an ethnic group that insists on Halal produce, so we must bend over backwards to accommodate them at the expense of anyone else who happens to live there". Now, try to open an outlet catering for "Christians only", then you will see a BIG fuss, and probably a crackdown by the local government enforcers who would brand it "racist" to have such a store.

This is also coming shortly after a big scandal where local Muslim leaders have been accused of plotting to take over the schools in a local authority area and forcing Sharia compliant policies through with regard to the provision of education. This may be one reason for a recent surge in popularity for parties like UKIP, who argue that under the stewardship of the regular parties, the PC policies have allowed things to get this far without anyone even noticing, let alone taking action. UKIP was formerly campaigning to take the UK out of the EU, it seems they have been expanding their agenda into immigration and race, yet becoming even MORE popular for it. They at least seem to have stolen the BNP's thunder, they are barely being mentioned now that the UKIP nutters have been let loose.
 
Where the Daily Mail is concerned I usually take things with a pinch of salt (same with the Daily Express when they unsuccessfully try to forecast the weather), but seems it's actually true, they already have the Halal menu listed.

I doubt it will last, there's a rapidly growing 'Boycott Subway' page on Facebook, will surely put a huge dent in their profits, lets face it there are plenty of fast food restaurants around.

Does make you wonder though, whatever next? McDonalds to stop selling Big Macs to please vegetarians?
 
Does make you wonder though, whatever next? McDonalds to stop selling Big Macs to please vegetarians?

Perish the thought:D There will be no touching of the Big Mac:sniper:

Edit; changing the Big Mac in any way could cause a riot. I love the Big Mac and its probably the only fast food I eat as a treat.
 
Where are all the animal cruelty groups anyway? Slaughtering animals to make the meat Halal is barbaric, to say the least. Why are they looking the other way?
 
Almost always the animals I eat are slaughtered, and most often cooked.

Eating in a restaurant is hardly COMPULSORY. This was a business decision made by a business, not a law imposed by government. If having bacon on your sandwich is important to you, go somewhere that serves bacon.

Most vegetarians will eat places that serve meat.

Ultra orthodox Jews will not eat anywhere the kitchen is not kosher. My former sister-in law wouldn't even heat whatever she brought to eat in my oven.

Nut allergies are life-threatening, it's not the same kind of issue at all.
 
Wow who knew that many people believed in fairy tales
I am not sure what you mean by that statement. Lock everybody has the right to their own religious beliefs as long as they don't force them on others and don't persecute others with different beliefs. I myself was raised Catholic and although I no longer practice this faith I have respect those that do. I also have respect for other religions. I don't like extremists of any faith because they cause so much harm and give others of that faith a bad name. The only religions in my opinion based on fairy tales would be Mormonism and Scientology
 
I am not sure what you mean by that statement. Lock everybody has the right to their own religious beliefs as long as they don't force them on others and don't persecute others with different beliefs.

I'd say it's ok as long as it has no impact on the lives and freedom of others. It's no different than all the other spheres of life, really.


The only religions in my opinion based on fairy tales would be Mormonism and Scientology

Jesus walking on water, Muhammad flying to the moon on a flying horse or Joseph Smith meeting Aliens? How can you say that one is more of a fairy tale than the other?

Since religions are all based on faith and not facts, it wouldn't be intellectually honest to claim that one is more of a "fairly tale". From the believers' perspective, what they believe is the Truth (while from an outsider's point of view, it is obvious bullshit).
 
I am not sure what you mean by that statement. Lock everybody has the right to their own religious beliefs as long as they don't force them on others and don't persecute others with different beliefs. I myself was raised Catholic and although I no longer practice this faith I have respect those that do. I also have respect for other religions. I don't like extremists of any faith because they cause so much harm and give others of that faith a bad name. The only religions in my opinion based on fairy tales would be Mormonism and Scientology

Like Balthazar stated, how can you say that about certain beliefs but not christian?

A man split an entire sea in half?
A person turned into a pillar of salt for turning around and looking when told not too?
A man walked on water?
A man turned water into blood?
A man turned a cane into a snake?

It sounds like there was quite the prankster back in the day
 
Islam is the ultimate form of collectivism. One God, one way to worship and despite the 'moderates' you hear when wheeled out at appropriate moments, one way they believe we should all live.

The only comfort in the face of this aggressive and fascistic assault is that like its brother communism it can only exist by feeding off of other ways of life and their input into the world, therefore by taking over the world it would then collapse in on itself and cease to exist.
 
I'd say it's ok as long as it has no impact on the lives and freedom of others. It's no different than all the other spheres of life, really.




Jesus walking on water, Muhammad flying to the moon on a flying horse or Joseph Smith meeting Aliens? How can you say that one is more of a fairy tale than the other?

Since religions are all based on faith and not facts, it wouldn't be intellectually honest to claim that one is more of a "fairly tale". From the believers' perspective, what they believe is the Truth (while from an outsider's point of view, it is obvious bullshit).
In ancient times people didn't have science so when something extraordinary happened they attributed it to miracles and such. The texts have been modified countless of times over the centuries and changed to suit the social order of the times. In recent years science has given explanations for some of the miraculous things that have been written in the bible. I am sure there are many sources where you can check this out but I will give you one.
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Scientology was based on a book by L Ron Hubbard. Joseph Smith founder of the Mormon church apparently discovered some golden plates. These two religions are relatively recent. So where are the famed golden plates? Pretty good science existed at the time that could prove or disprove the claims made.
 
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Islam is the ultimate form of collectivism. One God, one way to worship and despite the 'moderates' you hear when wheeled out at appropriate moments, one way they believe we should all live.

The only comfort in the face of this aggressive and fascistic assault is that like its brother communism it can only exist by feeding off of other ways of life and their input into the world, therefore by taking over the world it would then collapse in on itself and cease to exist.

In all fairness weren't the Christian's that way once too. Think the crusade. I really do think that religion should play no part in government in any country period. I don't think Sharia law should be introduced in the UK because that is a slippery slope IMO.
I was raised Catholic but haven't followed any religion for years. I like to be able to think for myself. I do respect others rights to practice their belief's but not to push their belief's on others. I also think that immigrants to a country can integrate into the society and keep their ethnic identities at the same time.
 
Islam is the ultimate form of collectivism. One God, one way to worship and despite the 'moderates' you hear when wheeled out at appropriate moments, one way they believe we should all live.

The only comfort in the face of this aggressive and fascistic assault is that like its brother communism it can only exist by feeding off of other ways of life and their input into the world, therefore by taking over the world it would then collapse in on itself and cease to exist.

There are moderate muslims, but newspapers doesen't really sell writing about the guy who went to a pub, bought himself a beer and went home again, do they?

When that is said, there are alot of muslims who practise their religion as we did in the middle ages. And I guess that has something to do with the countries they are coming from usually being pretty poor and corrupt. And that kind of thoughts doesen't just dissapear over night, so we have to be tough on who we let cross our borders.

The sadest thing though is so many illogical things are accepted just cause they are based on religion. Most countries allow (and pay for) parents to do unnecessary, involuntary surgery on their sons just cause its wrote in some kind of book. And IMO the crazy guys go around screaming about jihad shouldn't called religious extremists, but insane people. And they should get the mental care they need in a closed institution.

When it comes to Subway, I guess they have found out they loose more customers on having pork meat, than will on not selling it.
 
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i can't help thinking that subway can't do this just to please one community over the other.....there's got to be some kind of business decision behind this.

They will surely loose customers to competitive stores, will the muslim customers make up for that loss? I think not, so even the business angle doesn't make much sense.... it may have been much easier to offer both by separating the areas or any other way.....
 
Almost always the animals I eat are slaughtered, and most often cooked.

Eating in a restaurant is hardly COMPULSORY. This was a business decision made by a business, not a law imposed by government. If having bacon on your sandwich is important to you, go somewhere that serves bacon.

Most vegetarians will eat places that serve meat.

Ultra orthodox Jews will not eat anywhere the kitchen is not kosher. My former sister-in law wouldn't even heat whatever she brought to eat in my oven.

Nut allergies are life-threatening, it's not the same kind of issue at all.

A big household name business that "should have known better". It's a schoolboy error to alienate the vast majority of your customers in order to pander to the desires of a vocal minority. The result is that despite increased loyalty from the vocal minority, the majority will start to drift away to an alternative provider. The business is then faced with the prospect of an embarrassing about turn, which will have the vocal minority up in arms. Despite being a minority, they will themselves do considerable damage to the brand as not only are they vocal, they have been betrayed. The majority may never come back.

Didn't Coca Cola once decide to change the recipe because they thought it was what most customers wanted and would boost profits, and found out that most customers did NOT want any change, and it lead to a sharp fall in sales, and increased sales for Pepsi (who saw it as an opportunity).
 
From Snopes...

Founded in Connecticut in 1965, the Subway sandwich chain has expanded to more than 41,000 locations in over 100 countries. Since 2007, Subway's corporate policy
has been to permit menu item substitutions in areas where the local customer base follows dietary restrictions. In India, many franchises substitute lamb and chicken items for beef and pork throughout their menus, and some do not sell any meat products at all. In the United States, Subway has several kosher franchises that do not carry pork products or serve dairy with meat.

In the United Kingdom and Ireland, fewer than 200 out of 1,500 Subway sandwich franchises conform to Muslim dietary restrictions: their meat suppliers are certified halal, and no pork products are used. Instead, those locations use turkey products to substitute for ham and bacon. Halal stores are clearly identified by signs throughout, including on the menu panels and in the front windows.

200 out of 1500 stores seems fairly reasonable.

Here in the US, I don't fear extremist Muslims nearly as much as the very real threat posed by the creeping Dominionism in our schools, corporations, and elected offices and judiciary. If people like Michelle Bachmann, Steve King, and Jim Bob Dugger had their way, the only people in this country who'd have any rights at all would be white straight males of the eKstraKrispyKristian variety.
 
From Snopes...



200 out of 1500 stores seems fairly reasonable.

Here in the US, I don't fear extremist Muslims nearly as much as the very real threat posed by the creeping Dominionism in our schools, corporations, and elected offices and judiciary. If people like Michelle Bachmann, Steve King, and Jim Bob Dugger had their way, the only people in this country who'd have any rights at all would be white straight males of the eKstraKrispyKristian variety.

Perhaps Subway could have handled it better. It seems they tried to dismiss the concerns of the majority, whereas they should have apologised to them if they were inconvenienced by being unable to get their usual products from their local Subway. Perhaps they felt that apologising would offend the minority, which mattered more to them than offending the majority who should put up with the inconvenience merely because they are the majority.

Stores usually stock what the majority want to buy, and when they are using the same brand, people expect the same, or very similar, in any of the stores regardless of location.

They seem unaware of the wider issues surrounding their decisions. For years, the right have been saying that we are being "taken over" by some minority group. We have already had many of our traditions banned by zealots in authority on the grounds that they might offend minorities, yet at the same time the minority traditions that affect the majority are protected as we need to respect others who are of a different culture. Nothing proves these right wing zealots right better than verifiable examples of areas so thoroughly "taken over" that not only are they catered for, but what they don't like is banned for EVERYBODY.

There are already exemptions in some laws that apply to everybody else, and arguably for a damn good reason. However, IF these laws are applied for a good reason, how can one justify ANY exemptions. I have just seen a campaign to ban the exemptions in animal slaughter, and require that ALL animals are stunned first. No doubt, this has been spawned by the debacle over Subway.

There is probably no way the main parties would risk upsetting these significant and vocal minorities, so this leaves the door wide open to the right wing parties to promise an end to such exemptions, making them less reliant on their more extreme views, and so appealing to more people.

UKIP, for example, started out by being a party dedicated to taking the UK out of the EU and getting shot of the avalanche of daft and petty regulations that pour out of Brussels. Now, UKIP have adopted numerous right wing causes, and a few of their high ranking members have let slip just how "extreme" the views of some in the party are.

The other 1300 stores may still sell pork, but people may still boycott them because for 200 stores, they have pandered to a minority and gone against the customs of the country as a whole.
 
This is from the Daily Mail which has a very poor reputation over here. It's probably bollocks.

Well maybe that's true but there is a world-wide-push by Islamic zealots to force their living standards and beliefs on everyone.

A Muslim cleric, in one of those typical video rants, claimed Australia would be under Muslim law by 2030. Albeit it could be all propaganda but, considering the freedoms both in law and speech which btw, in most cases, flies directly against and in the face of our Australian anti racist laws, it seems this group can do and say anything and get away with it. Even to the point of burning our national flag!

While I'm not personally a huge fan of bacon, I'll be damned if I'm going to sit on may ass and let anyone dictate what I can eat, do or say in my own country! And I'd suggest to others if you don't like this outlook either, that you too fight the fight before its too late ;)
 
I'm so glad I don't care what imaginary friends people have, and I decide where I want to buy my sandwich, and what I want in it (If he place I go to don't serve what I want, I can go somewhere that does), so I don't really understand what the fuss is about

I am glad you asked LaHutti, we on the other side of the pond love our bacon (rashers) and get upset at the thought of anybody taking it away from us. It's just a few Subway's today but who knows where it will all end?:D (only joking of course).

On a side note there has been quite a lot of immigration and migration in recent years changing the demographics of parts of the U.K. and Ireland and while the change is not a bad thing it does take a little bit of getting used to. So I think this a little bit more about why Subway made the change and not the change itself. In the UK they got the UKIP and BNP parties which have been garnering quite a lot of support over the last few years and I think have succeeded in tainting some peoples opinions regarding minority groups. (VWM) explained far more eloquently than I)

I myself just love bacon:)
 
Well maybe that's true but there is a world-wide-push by Islamic zealots to force their living standards and beliefs on everyone.

A Muslim cleric, in one of those typical video rants, claimed Australia would be under Muslim law by 2030. Albeit it could be all propaganda but, considering the freedoms both in law and speech which btw, in most cases, flies directly against and in the face of our Australian anti racist laws, it seems this group can do and say anything and get away with it. Even to the point of burning our national flag!

While I'm not personally a huge fan of bacon, I'll be damned if I'm going to sit on may ass and let anyone dictate what I can eat, do or say in my own country! And I'd suggest to others if you don't like this outlook either, that you too fight the fight before its too late ;)

I am glad you asked LaHutti, we on the other side of the pond love our bacon (rashers) and get upset at the thought of anybody taking it away from us. It's just a few Subway's today but who knows where it will all end?:D (only joking of course).

On a side note there has been quite a lot of immigration and migration in recent years changing the demographics of parts of the U.K. and Ireland and while the change is not a bad thing it does take a little bit of getting used to. So I think this a little bit more about why Subway made the change and not the change itself. In the UK they got the UKIP and BNP parties which have been garnering quite a lot of support over the last few years and I think have succeeded in tainting some peoples opinions regarding minority groups. (VWM) explained far more eloquently than I)

I myself just love bacon:)

What is causing the resentment and unrest is that this move by Subway is yet another nibble amongst many. We first had tales of local councils "banning displays of Christmas" because being a Christian celebration, it offended other faiths. However, there was no equivalent move to ban the celebrations of other faiths, if anything, these celebrations were supported and encouraged by the same councils that "banned Christmas". Then came Easter, reports were emerging that some schools had "banned" the serving of Hot Cross buns because this too might offend other faiths. There was also the case of a Christian woman banned from wearing a small cross around her neck, yet a Sikh could wear his turban at work, and a Muslim woman would be allowed to wear the headscarf.

Coupled with this, we have the zealous Muslim clerics proclaiming that this country or that country will "be a Muslim country" or "adopt Sharia law" by some time in the not too distant future.

The small changes like we have seen at Subway are being taken as evidence of further progress along this path. We also have had a recent scandal where it has emerged that a number of schools had been taken over by stealth with non Muslim governors and heads being eased out over time, and the governing bodies stacked with those intent on imposing Sharia educational standards in said school, notably the forced separation of the sexes. It has also been noted that the bodies that are supposed to oversee schools at a national level were blind to what was going on for years.

There are now protests against Subway, but this is really a protest against years of having to bend over backwards for the growing minorities, whereas these minorities are growing ever less accepting of British ways and seeking to impose their own values on the whole of UK society.

If the current parties don't get a grip on the situation (current policy seems to be to avoid confronting the issues by pretending there is nothing happening, which is obviously a lie if you happen to live in those areas most affected), the likes of UKIP and the BNP will make addressing the issues top of their policy agenda in order to gain votes. Unfortunately, these parties won't just level the playing field, they want to reverse society back to how it was when the UK had it's empire, and only "white people" had the right to express their culture in a "white country". Part of the BNP policy is the "repatriation of immigrants", but it is not based on where they were born, but the colour of their skin. BNP claim this will be "voluntary", but more likely they will bring in policies that will force minorities out without actually arresting and deporting any. UKIP also appear to be showing BNP tendencies, even though their main policy has been to take the UK out of the EU, and thus "control" immigration.

Subway are not doing themselves any favours as they have now adopted a policy of "no comment", even when asked straight forward questions such as "have any <existing> stores actually removed pork from the menu", or "has there been a recent policy change <that changes things since 2007 when they launched a policy of adding local variants to the menu based on local demand>". In the absence of any comment from HQ, a Bristol paper managed to speak to staff at a branch there, and they were told that this IS indeed a recent change of policy, and that the store they work for has recently taken a step further by removing all the non Halal meats from the menu. Presumably they were selling both Halal and non Halal prior to this, although this is not clear from the article.

Subway have also quietly removed information from their website so that it is no longer possible to use the store finder to specifically look for Halal or non Halal stores. Instead of saying this, they have told a customer who asked about how he could find out "this information is not available", but that if he walked into the store, it would be clear from notices what the position was.

The question of clear notices in stores was also put to Subway by another publication, but instead of getting the same answer, they had to report that "Subway have declined to comment".

It appears that it's not just the Daily Mail that is giving out false information, it's also Subway HQ. If they have had this policy since 2007, and as they claim, nothing has changed since then, why all the sudden fuss, and why the unwillingness of Subway to answer the simplest of questions on the subject, not to mention the censoring of their website to remove any information that would indicate which stores are now Halal, and thus which stores are still selling Pork.

If no one is willing to tell the truth, then it leaves the door open for the parties such as BNP and UKIP to rally support by claiming that they are the only ones telling the truth.

There have also been questions as to why of all the countries in the world served by Subway, it's ONLY the UK that has been affected by this policy shift of going as far as to REMOVE a country's traditional items from the local menu in order to serve the tastes of minority groups.

If this is REALLY nothing more than tailoring stores to suit local tastes, then this could happen in any country served by Subway, the UK just being the first to see this recent change of removing traditional items to make way for items preferred by a localised minority group.

The UK may actually be the last country they try this too, given the boycotts and protests this has generated, and there is also a protest growing over Halal itself still being permitted under an exemption under animal welfare laws. This movement is not just aimed at getting Subway to put BLT back on the menu, it is aimed at imposing a national ban on Halal slaughter by removing the exemption that allows it. Ironic in a way, because Subway have stated that their Halal suppliers must stun the animals first, and it's the Halal slaughter of fully conscious animals that the exemption allows. Of course, it has also been stated that Subway cannot control what their franchises decide to do, so if they can't force them to put pork back on the menu, surely they can't FORCE them to only source their Halal meats from suppliers who stun the animals first, given that the law allows the supply of Halal meats derived from the slaughter of fully conscious animals.

I don't see this story just "blowing over", it will probably simmer for a while, and the difficulty in getting anyone from Subway to clearly state the facts in response to media requests will bring further stories that contain varying degrees of truth.
 
The thing that bothers me alot is that if u go to subway - or mcdonalds or any other chain in a muslim country they (Turkey for an example) they do not offer bacon and such. They have replaced it.
I am FINE with this and i respect it BUT i do not think that it should be banned in the countries that are not muslim (mostly). If they have a problem with people eating it in the same place as them i am sure that there are many other places where they can get ham/bacon free things.
 
The thing that bothers me alot is that if u go to subway - or mcdonalds or any other chain in a muslim country they (Turkey for an example) they do not offer bacon and such. They have replaced it.
I am FINE with this and i respect it BUT i do not think that it should be banned in the countries that are not muslim (mostly). If they have a problem with people eating it in the same place as them i am sure that there are many other places where they can get ham/bacon free things.

You are bang on the button there Marie.:thumbsup: In many countries (like USA) for example ethnic groups have thriving communities. They open shops and restaurants that cater to their clients. This is fine and actually a good thing but forcing mainstream premises to alter the menu just to please a small minority is wrong. Immigrants should at least try to integrate into the society of their adopted country instead of making the country adopt to them (hope I am making sense here).
 
If this is going to be ongoing problem with religious cultures in the free world, then why not think about a 'twin' restaurant.

A building is shared but divided down the middle.

Non- Muslim , for example, enter the restaurant to the right, where all is available to choose, then Muslim enter through the left door, where strict religious practices regarding food is adhered to.

Maybe;)
 
If this is going to be ongoing problem with religious cultures in the free world, then why not think about a 'twin' restaurant.

A building is shared but divided down the middle.

Non- Muslim , for example, enter the restaurant to the right, where all is available to choose, then Muslim enter through the left door, where strict religious practices regarding food is adhered to.

Maybe;)

Or maybe have that same idea at immigration control, one leads back out to the airplane on the tarmac, the other lets you in.....
 

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