Thoughts on MGS returns suffering due to no US players ?

[SAunnyS72]

That's the simple question ... Is this affecting the main pool .... I would think there would be some sort of repercussions as it is a massive market ....

 

[Thomas82]

I have noticed periods where it's impossible to win anything at Microgaming casinos (small or big bets) and it makes me very suspicious.

Worth noting that some one won £1.6m yesterday (Sunday) on MM Progressive so I would avoid the progressives for quite some time (Remember after Xmas last year when the biggie was won - it paid nothing for weeks on end!)

Seriously thinking about giving up MG soon and never returning as it hasn't been fair for ages and it appears they are running out of ideas with new games.

(Been playing at MG casinos for 5 years and I know that things have changed - and it's not just down to my individual luck!)

 

[Jennifer]

I have voiced my displeasure with this network numerous times on this forum. ^^^
I have played thousands and thousands and thousands of dollars on that network and it was one of the dryest casino's I have ever played at. Im talking hundreds of thousands of spins and my highest payout was a few hundred dollars. Some people find that hard to believe but its true and I have no reason to make it up. I have literally spinned 1000 times before hitting a bonus feature and when I finally did, it usually only paid maybe 10x my bet. I wrote their management a letter and simply stated because I feel their returns are just unrealistic they have lost a customer. I told them I enjoyed some of their games, they have a great set up, awesome customer support (because I feel like they do try hard to please people on that level so they deserve positive feedback too) but when it comes to money, a person can only risk so much with not being rewarded.

They responded to my email with here's a free chips and gave me $32 to try and change my luck. To be quite honest I felt extremely insulted considering how much I played there and how much money I lost. I wasnt going to say that to them, I wasnt there to complain and cry about bonuses. I just wanted them to understand my position. I responded politely to close my accounts on MG.

As for the OP, absolutely. How could it not? Casino's love drunk americans ..

 

[mattsgame]

My answer is NO. If there was a pool on slots then they would not be random.

What you might find is that the RTP is adjusted, but this is not the case at MGS casinos as far as I am aware.

The other thing that you might find is that the slots are not going through there cycles as much as they may have when the U.S could play. I know land based slots go through cycles and I am almost 90% sure online would be no different, so the more people spinning the more losses/wins that the slot can cycle through.

*think I made sense, very tired*

 

[vinylweatherman]

They are suffering. Look at all the tournaments getting cancelled, and others getting changed to have much lower prize pools. These are what hurt Microgaming directly. The casinos have also cut back on the promotions they offer to existing players, although not so much on those offered to new ones.

Another sign is that marketing has become more aggressive, with many more affiliates resorting to spam, along with some "dark" practices like using fake websites to make players think the offer is coming from a different and often completely new casino.

Other softwares are also suffering, even RTG, which still holds on to the US market. RTG suffer because US players struggle to get their deposits through, and casinos often find that money from deposits and withdrawals vanishes en route, either from theft by the processor, or DoJ seizure.

The non-US market is also being squeezed through more regulations. This has recently driven MGS out of Spain, even if only temporarily.

 

[rainmaker]

They are suffering. Look at all the tournaments getting cancelled, and others getting changed to have much lower prize pools. These are what hurt Microgaming directly. The casinos have also cut back on the promotions they offer to existing players, although not so much on those offered to new ones.

Another sign is that marketing has become more aggressive, with many more affiliates resorting to spam, along with some "dark" practices like using fake websites to make players think the offer is coming from a different and often completely new casino.

Other softwares are also suffering, even RTG, which still holds on to the US market. RTG suffer because US players struggle to get their deposits through, and casinos often find that money from deposits and withdrawals vanishes en route, either from theft by the processor, or DoJ seizure.

The non-US market is also being squeezed through more regulations. This has recently driven MGS out of Spain, even if only temporarily.

I do not think that software suppliers in general are suffering. I think that most of them have done well without US. As for regulated markets, I see them as new possibilities and nothing that will "strangle" software suppliers. By the way, Microgaming has not "left" Spain as they are only blocking their products for unlicensed operators. I am sure there are some MG based operators out there who have applied for a Spanish license


If we look at Playtech for example. About 50% of their revenues came from US players when they decided to pull out in 2006. It was a blow as you can see on the graph (red circle), but it really did not take long before they recovered.

 

[vinylweatherman]

I do not think that software suppliers in general are suffering. I think that most of them have done well without US. As for regulated markets, I see them as new possibilities and nothing that will "strangle" software suppliers. By the way, Microgaming has not "left" Spain as they are only blocking their products for unlicensed operators. I am sure there are some MG based operators out there who have applied for a Spanish license


If we look at Playtech for example. About 50% of their revenues came from US players when they decided to pull out in 2006. It was a blow as you can see on the graph (red circle), but it really did not take long before they recovered.


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Well, they implemented the block with almost no notice to operators, and at a time BEFORE the new Spanish systems were fully in place. This left no real chance for operators to apply for, and get, their Spanish license, whilst at the same time keeping the service to players uninterrupted.

Even 32Red had a mere 2 days notice, and I am sure they would have played by the rules and got a Spanish license, or made an orderly retreat from the market. The email 32Red sent out, and which was posted here, clearly shows they were caught on the hop by MGS, and were actively pursuing their Spanish license, but MGS just didn't allow enough time for the process to take place, forcing 32Red to suspend services to Spanish players.

MGS may not suffer much, because they are arbitrarily, even retrospectively, cancelling MPV tournaments that don't make enough profit. It is the PLAYERS in these tournaments that took part in good faith, won a prize, but have had it confiscated to protect MGS from making a loss on the event.

No-notice pull outs from EU and other countries forced on operators by MGS are not going to help further non-US expansion, as now every player has to keep one eye on their own countries' developments, and with the knowledge that MGS policy is "shoot first, ask questions later".

MGS should be communicating with operators well in advance of the need to obtain secondary licensing, and what will happen if they don't, and when.

 

[rainmaker]

Even 32Red had a mere 2 days notice, and I am sure they would have played by the rules and got a Spanish license, or made an orderly retreat from the market. The email 32Red sent out, and which was posted here, clearly shows they were caught on the hop by MGS, and were actively pursuing their Spanish license, but MGS just didn't allow enough time for the process to take place, forcing 32Red to suspend services to Spanish players.

Even 32Red had a mere 2 days notice, and I am sure they would have played by the rules and got a Spanish license, or made an orderly retreat from the market. The email 32Red sent out, and which was posted here, clearly shows they were caught on the hop by MGS, and were actively pursuing their Spanish license, but MGS just didn't allow enough time for the process to take place, forcing 32Red to suspend services to Spanish players.

No upcoming regulation comes as a surprise for operators of course. 32Red actually told the media in September or something that they were not interested in a Spanish license at this time.

By the way, I wrote more about this issue here in a reply earlier today.

 

[vinylweatherman]

No upcoming regulation comes as a surprise for operators of course. 32Red actually told the media in September or something that they were not interested in a Spanish license at this time.

By the way, I wrote more about this issue here in a reply earlier today.

That was September. I don't expect they thought MGS would force the issue with 2 days notice, and that come the time, THEY would be in control of how and when Spanish players were closed out.

The important thing is that players everywhere were kept in the dark, in many cases waking up one morning to find they had already been locked out. This normally only happens in real life when a business goes bust, and ends up calling in the receivers. It is NOT a good way to conduct business online, where trust is even MORE important because there is no physical premises to go calling on for answers.

Where B & M businesses choose to shut down, or close a store, there is plenty of advance warning, and often a closing down sale. Customers have plenty of time to wrap up any outstanding issues connected with that store.

Other operators may have decided to ignore the Spanish laws, just as they ignored US laws until they were forced out after MGS themselves got "strong armed" into taking action after their domain was threatened with seizure by the govenor of Kentucky.

With secondary licensing looking like the future, it also sends a bad message out to ALL players still able to play at MGS, one that they too could find themselves locked out overnight because MGS said so, even though the laws may not be properly in place, or the operator has a legal opinion that they can carry on without the license for now.

When the UK introduces similar regulations, can the same fate be in store for us, with some MGS casinos suddenly becoming blocked one night, even though we might be mid way through an MPV tournament, meeting WR on a bonus, or taking part in some other long term tournament such as the "Slot Survivor" now underway at Red Flush.