The Wish Master (NetEnt)

[Tirilej]

£100 deposited, £1 spins. 140 spins with no scatter/feature and it's all gone. Biggest win £3.75.

Considering you only need 1 'scatter' to trigger a feature, and there's scatters on every reel, they come in with alarming irregularity

As with all games sometimes that is correct.

Other times I have gotten 6-7 features withing the first 100 spins.
You just never know which mode the game is in

 

[PCJACKPOT2008]

£100 deposited, £1 spins. 140 spins with no scatter/feature and it's all gone. Biggest win £3.75.

Considering you only need 1 'scatter' to trigger a feature, and there's scatters on every reel, they come in with alarming irregularity

100x bet BR is way too low for this one, IMO.

 

[D2Hammer]

Thanks to Mr. Green!

 

[gokkie]

This video slot has the highest volatility I have ever witnessed online. It is insane. Really it is
I played 410 spins at 1€ tonight, net loss 280€. Every wish that came or even two cost me MORE than I won from them.
For some strange reason I still love this slot...because at the same speed you lose you can have big wins.
But again proceed with caution and a big bankroll.

 

[gokkie]

Ok make that 660€ lost after 900 spins of 1€. So an RTP of about 30%
That is too much variance, even for me. I will stay away from now on.

 

[Nate]

Ok make that 660€ lost after 900 spins of 1€. So an RTP of about 30%
That is too much variance, even for me. I will stay away from now on.

Variance my ass - You could find plenty of other Slots that have BETTER hit potential but won't bankrupt your neighbor while YOU play.

I have never played a slot where I triggered the feature and AFTER it ended up 90% of the time with less than what I started it with? You guys have absolutely no clue how truly BAD this slot is.

It irritates the living hell out of me to see those promotional videos where you get 2-3 wishes on ONE spin. The reality is, you probably DON'T stand a chance of triggering 3 as easily as it looks. I'm all for seeing the hit potential of a Slot BUT I have never seen any of NetEnts slots behave remotely close to their promo videos. MG give a fair impression of the Game Play - NetEnt just make sure you see the IMPOSSIBLE then drain you to ensure its just a dream.

This is one of the worst slots available online. All those full screens of wilds with 750x pay or the odd 300 - 400x just does not justify the 'variance' IMPO. It's an absolute money gobbler designed to ensure players PAY to win big. With the 'Variance' you would assume that there would be tons of winner screenshots because this Slot is being played a lot. I mean you will probably see 10 x the screenies on DOA before you see 2 of these.

NetEnt have been destroying bankrolls for a while now and everyone touts it as 'Variance'... The reality is, New Paytables, Blank Spins and Micro wins are mostly what makes them achieve this.

I said it once, and I'll say it again ... as a Player ALL i can see is malicious code with sounds and graphics - Designed to ENSURE you don't win BIG or kill your bankroll faster than you can deposit it trying.

Nate

 

[gokkie]

Gave it another shot, should have just walked away.
In 3 days I now made about 2000 spins at 1€.
Net loss 1300€. RTP 35%
In 10 years of gambling I cannot remember such a bad run ever over 2000 spins.

 

[whodatrec]

Been playing this alot lately and i gotta say i agree with Nate. There is nothing in the paytable that pays for the level of variance on this game. Last 10-15 deposits ive been playing this and Mega Fortune Dreams. Just horrible session after horrible session.

It can go endless spins without giving any wishes and when you finally get one it takes more from you than you actually win...

Yes ive had some good wins, but its either on or off. And its like Nate said; In the end when you hit something you already paid for it 3 times over.

Seams to me online slots especially NetEnt has taken a route thats on a path of greed. They want players to lose as much as possible as fast as possible. The amount of dead spins on all of these new slots is truly amazing...Think about it all the new games can go 20 dead spins in a row EASY, and then you get a couple of 0.10 x stake or 0.5 x stake.. The trick is they make the slots "entertaining" and alluring, you think you are going to hit something huge eventually, but in reality you NEVER WILL.

Lets compare it to DOA.. DOA is a high variance game, but it seams to have a far greater "hit" ratio than these newer "high" variance games. Its like they want to try and keep cashouts to a minimum... Really there is no point in playing any other NetEnt slot than DOA, its basicly the only slot that you can actually win on if you are lucky.

Im seriuosly conteplainting quitting gambling because all these newer slots makes me lose faith in the whole industry, and it makes me think my tin foil hat theory is really on to something...

 

[KasinoKing]

Seams to me online slots especially NetEnt has taken a route thats on a path of greed. They want players to lose as much as possible as fast as possible. The amount of dead spins on all of these new slots is truly amazing...Think about it all the new games can go 20 dead spins in a row EASY, and then you get a couple of 0.10 x stake or 0.5 x stake.. The trick is they make the slots "entertaining" and alluring, you think you are going to hit something huge eventually, but in reality you NEVER WILL.

Lets compare it to DOA.. DOA is a high variance game, but it seams to have a far greater "hit" ratio than these newer "high" variance games. Its like they want to try and keep cashouts to a minimum... Really there is no point in playing any other NetEnt slot than DOA, its basicly the only slot that you can actually win on if you are lucky.

The Wish Master has a TRTP of 96.6%, and DoA 96.8%, so very little difference between the two.
So either NetEnt are lying about the RTP, or players are mistaken.
Only an extremely low variance game would guarantee all players always lose, and yet we're all agreed that this is a high variance game.

I haven't played it anywhere near enough to make a final judgement on it, and I suspect many other players are the same.
Would be interesting if someone would run 100,000+ spins through it & see what actual RTP they get. Any volunteers?

BTW: I had a bet x99.75 win on it yesterday from a single spin with Random Wilds and Expanding Wilds. If you had that with the Extra (Rabbit) Wild the win potential would be pretty good!

KK

 

[whodatrec]

The Wish Master has a TRTP of 96.6%, and DoA 96.8%, so very little difference between the two.
So either NetEnt are lying about the RTP, or players are mistaken.
Only an extremely low variance game would guarantee all players always lose, and yet we're all agreed that this is a high variance game.

I haven't played it anywhere near enough to make a final judgement on it, and I suspect many other players are the same.
Would be interesting if someone would run 100,000+ spins through it & see what actual RTP they get. Any volunteers?

BTW: I had a bet x99.75 win on it yesterday from a single spin with Random Wilds and Expanding Wilds. If you had that with the Extra (Rabbit) Wild the win potential would be pretty good!

KK

Yes it might still have the same RTP and not pay as much...It will pay the same over time, but that does not mean it will give as big wins as the other game with the same RTP. This is where variance and hit frequency come in to play.

 

[Nifty29]

Yes it might still have the same RTP and not pay as much...It will pay the same over time, but that does not mean it will give as big wins as the other game with the same RTP. This is where variance and hit frequency come in to play.

OK. I know you probably won't agree with the following given your views that all the slots are "Rigged I tells ya!!"......but here goes anyway.

It's really very simple.

If you want to play a game that pays out BIG hits at the top end of the paytable, and is capable of BIG hits in the feature round, then you have to EXPECT to win pretty much f*ck all in the base game or pretty much most times you play it. Why? Again...simple. If the slot is to achieve a certain TRTP, and pay out monster hits to boot, then something has to give at the other end to balance things out. It has to pay out lots of small or non-paying spins to pay for the rare monster wins. In other words, the RESULTS you see as you play VARY a great deal i.e. from zero to gigantic, with not much in between. The pendulum swings (varies) VERY widely......hence the term HIGH VARIANCE. (The actual explanation is more complicated but that's the basic idea).

If you want to play a game that keeps you going and has the potential for some nice (although not monster) hits whilst at the same time giving you some reasonable wins in general player, then you need to choose a game where the pendulum does not swing as wide. The payouts are spread more evenly among the paytable, and the feature doesn't have the huge potential like DOA etc. An example of this would be something like Payola at 3Dice or Ho Ho Ho at MGS etc. You can play these quite often for hours on a fairly small deposit, but don't expect to come out of it with a huge bankroll, because the monster hits just aren't there. In other words, in this case, the top of the paytable is REDUCED and the bottom INCREASED to balance out the TRTP. The pendulum doesn't swing very wide...hence the term LOW VARIANCE ( i.e. the results don't vary much over time).

Of course, variance is in the eye of the beholder, and one person's high variance might be another's medium variance, but the basic ideas are the same.

In your case, you continually opine that the NetBent slots (and others) are "crap" and "rigged" and "etc etc" and that the software companies are "up to something" and blindly ripping us off. You seem to base these opinions on the fact that you lose your shirt most of the time, and lose it fast with not much happening in between. The reason is not, as you state, deliberate rigging by providers, but rather the effect of VARIANCE. You CHOOSE to play high variance slots. Perhaps you don't know a lot about all that stuff....and that's totally cool...but you DO now. If you continue to play these HV slots you WILL continue to have the same experience. Don't let the screenshots and bragging fool you......most of these screenies were well and truly bought and paid for and in many cases don't cover that player's losses even in the short term.

My advice, FWIW, is to try some LV slots for a while, and see if you results/experience changes. No, you won't be in the market for these huge 1000x+ hits, but on the other hand you won't have to pay for them either. Your money will last longer, and you can still make a nice profit at times if you're lucky.

Finally, if anyone chooses to play HV slots, then they should be prepared to absorb some pretty horrific sessions and losses. It goes with the territory. If you don't look at it objectively and accept the facts around variance and slot design etc, then you probably will come to the conclusion that its all rigged and that you "can't win". If I played HV all the time, I might even be tempted to think that way, and have been at times.....but if you think about WHY there are so many blank spins and crap base games (i.e. to pay for the monster feature hits), then you should start to understand and accept that not all slots are alike and that there is more choice and research involved in playing slots than most people think.

 

[whodatrec]

OK. I know you probably won't agree with the following given your views that all the slots are "Rigged I tells ya!!"......but here goes anyway.

It's really very simple.

If you want to play a game that pays out BIG hits at the top end of the paytable, and is capable of BIG hits in the feature round, then you have to EXPECT to win pretty much f*ck all in the base game or pretty much most times you play it. Why? Again...simple. If the slot is to achieve a certain TRTP, and pay out monster hits to boot, then something has to give at the other end to balance things out. It has to pay out lots of small or non-paying spins to pay for the rare monster wins. In other words, the RESULTS you see as you play VARY a great deal i.e. from zero to gigantic, with not much in between. The pendulum swings (varies) VERY widely......hence the term HIGH VARIANCE. (The actual explanation is more complicated but that's the basic idea).

If you want to play a game that keeps you going and has the potential for some nice (although not monster) hits whilst at the same time giving you some reasonable wins in general player, then you need to choose a game where the pendulum does not swing as wide. The payouts are spread more evenly among the paytable, and the feature doesn't have the huge potential like DOA etc. An example of this would be something like Payola at 3Dice or Ho Ho Ho at MGS etc. You can play these quite often for hours on a fairly small deposit, but don't expect to come out of it with a huge bankroll, because the monster hits just aren't there. In other words, in this case, the top of the paytable is REDUCED and the bottom INCREASED to balance out the TRTP. The pendulum doesn't swing very wide...hence the term LOW VARIANCE ( i.e. the results don't vary much over time).

Of course, variance is in the eye of the beholder, and one person's high variance might be another's medium variance, but the basic ideas are the same.

In your case, you continually opine that the NetBent slots (and others) are "crap" and "rigged" and "etc etc" and that the software companies are "up to something" and blindly ripping us off. You seem to base these opinions on the fact that you lose your shirt most of the time, and lose it fast with not much happening in between. The reason is not, as you state, deliberate rigging by providers, but rather the effect of VARIANCE. You CHOOSE to play high variance slots. Perhaps you don't know a lot about all that stuff....and that's totally cool...but you DO now. If you continue to play these HV slots you WILL continue to have the same experience. Don't let the screenshots and bragging fool you......most of these screenies were well and truly bought and paid for and in many cases don't cover that player's losses even in the short term.

My advice, FWIW, is to try some LV slots for a while, and see if you results/experience changes. No, you won't be in the market for these huge 1000x+ hits, but on the other hand you won't have to pay for them either. Your money will last longer, and you can still make a nice profit at times if you're lucky.

Finally, if anyone chooses to play HV slots, then they should be prepared to absorb some pretty horrific sessions and losses. It goes with the territory. If you don't look at it objectively and accept the facts around variance and slot design etc, then you probably will come to the conclusion that its all rigged and that you "can't win". If I played HV all the time, I might even be tempted to think that way, and have been at times.....but if you think about WHY there are so many blank spins and crap base games (i.e. to pay for the monster feature hits), then you should start to understand and accept that not all slots are alike and that there is more choice and research involved in playing slots than most people think.

The statement i tried to make with my previous post was.. Compare Wish Master to DOA, it seams to me the bigger hits are more frequent on DOA, and ive seen better wins x stake on videos, screenshots and so on.. Yes i understand the concept of variance. DOA will empty my wallet 9 out of 10 times, but it does provide huge wins when you win.. What kind of wins have we seen from Wish Master? 1000-1500 x stake max?? Well we all know DOA can pay 10 000-20 000 X stake.

I just started to play mostley DOA 2 months ago and ive already hit wins of over 4000x bet 5 times, and one time over 10 000x bet. Now i have also been playing Wish Master ALOT since it was released and my biggest win has been 1500 x betish.. And i have not seen any screenshots of lets say 4000 x bet, that seams to be a common big win on DOA when it hits. Also there are far more dead spins on wish master compared to DOA. Why would it be so if it pays lower prices?

What im talking about is if slot X pays lower "big hits" than slot Y. Why does slot X appear as higher variance with more dead spins.. Now do explain please.

Also the so called "low variance" netent games seams to behave more and more like high variance games - the big hits..... Lights comes to mind.

 

[whodatrec]

And also my above statements has nothing to do about slots being rigged, its more about poor design.

 

[Finn]

The statement i tried to make with my previous post was.. Compare Wish Master to DOA, it seams to me the bigger hits are more frequent on DOA, and ive seen better wins x stake on videos, screenshots and so on.. Yes i understand the concept of variance. DOA will empty my wallet 9 out of 10 times, but it does provide huge wins when you win.. What kind of wins have we seen from Wish Master? 1000-1500 x stake max?? Well we all know DOA can pay 10 000-20 000 X stake.

I just started to play mostley DOA 2 months ago and ive already hit wins of over 4000x bet 5 times, and one time over 10 000x bet. Now i have also been playing Wish Master ALOT since it was released and my biggest win has been 1500 x betish.. And i have not seen any screenshots of lets say 4000 x bet, that seams to be a common big win on DOA when it hits.

Also there are far more dead spins on wish master compared to DOA.
Why would it be so if it pays lower prices?

The answer is pretty obvious.

DOA pays it's RTP in small hits that prevents your balance from plummeting, and monster hits, but it is not anywhere near as generous as other slots in the medium range, if you don't get 5 wilds on pay line, or 5 scatters, it doesn't really pay a crap, I got bigger hit in the wish spree starting at 50 spins the first time playing with real money than I have gotten in my 10k DOA spins, and there are several other slots where I've gotten bigger hits than my best DOA hit with way less spins.

Wishmaster is cheaper in the low range, more generous on the medium range, but not as generous in monster hit range. Now it's fine to say that you don't like this kind of RTP structure, but it isn't unfair in anyway.

 

[brianmon]

The statement i tried to make with my previous post was.. Compare Wish Master to DOA, it seams to me the bigger hits are more frequent on DOA, and ive seen better wins x stake on videos, screenshots and so on.. Yes i understand the concept of variance. DOA will empty my wallet 9 out of 10 times, but it does provide huge wins when you win.. What kind of wins have we seen from Wish Master? 1000-1500 x stake max?? Well we all know DOA can pay 10 000-20 000 X stake.

I just started to play mostley DOA 2 months ago and ive already hit wins of over 4000x bet 5 times, and one time over 10 000x bet. Now i have also been playing Wish Master ALOT since it was released and my biggest win has been 1500 x betish.. And i have not seen any screenshots of lets say 4000 x bet, that seams to be a common big win on DOA when it hits. Also there are far more dead spins on wish master compared to DOA. Why would it be so if it pays lower prices?

What im talking about is if slot X pays lower "big hits" than slot Y. Why does slot X appear as higher variance with more dead spins.. Now do explain please.

Also the so called "low variance" netent games seams to behave more and more like high variance games - the big hits..... Lights comes to mind.

I find DOA to be both low and high variance.
Until you get a big hit, you can do thousands of spins and end up with the same balance as you started with. I find my balance varies (at most) 100x stake. Obviously if you don't get any decent bonus rounds, it dwindles away eventually. but that can take hours.
If you don't get anything half-decent on wish master, your balance can be gone in 15 minutes.

I have had some decent wins on wish master, one spin of 350x during one set of features, which ended up paying 900x by the end of the 'feature'. But I don't really trust it enough to play continuously, hoping something eventually happens.
I usually do about 500 spins, and if i haven't hit anything decent by then, I walk away from it.
Plus it's the only slot I've ever played where you can lose money on a 'feature'

 

[Nate]

My last session on this Slot equated to this:

Rounds: 2567
Total bet: 4308,43 EUR.
Win/(Loss): (-1605,30 EUR)

Can't say much more than this Slot should be renamed the 'Balance Rape Master'

Edited to Add: KK - Sorry, with stats like this, you probably will need to Win Mega Fortune to play 100k worth of Spins on this Slot. Good Luck on finding a volunteer

Nate

 

[gokkie]

3000 spins at 1€
Loss 1800€

I have changed my mind about this one. This slot is totally fckd up. Worthless piece of crap.
I have now over 25000 spins on it and my advice is to stay away. It will frustrate the hell out of you and take all your money.

 

[Respin_Ftw]

The winner is still CFTBL, 3 deposits and i got 2 scatters ONE time. Thats not normal. Netent, i want to like you but you suck!

And i have had some great hits on Wish Master but its still a frustrating ugly slot.

 

[chuchu59]

This slot will soon earn its name as the biggest black hole among Netent slots for us players. Although the genie appears with some regularity payouts are dismal 9 out of 10 times. In addition, the 10 spins are not free spins and on half the occasions the returns on the 10 spins with a random wild or a multiplier cant even cover the cost of the spins. Needless to say, this is gonna be a great money spinner for the casinos if players continue to play in the hope of getting a full screen of wilds.

 

[whodatrec]

Basically this slot is designed to eat money as fast as possible. With no real potential hits to sustain the insane dead streaks. Everyone seams to agree on that.

If players where to just avoid these slots, NetEnt would have to steer their design in another route.

 

[tinybettor]

Arghh, why did I give this slot another chance hoping for a different outcome. $150 gone at 80 cents bet in 10 mins. All the risk for practically no reward. I don't know about everyone else but $150 for $10 minutes of empty spins is just bollocks. Sometimes I actually hope these slots were rigged, so they could remember the amount of money I've lost and correct my RTP for me.

 

[Balthazar]

It looks like every single one of you who complained in this thread about this slot being a black hole is doing the same mistake:

YOU BET TOO HIGH

DO NOT BET OVER $0.20/SPIN WITH A $100 BANKROLL.

500x deep starting bankroll minimum. $200 starting bankroll? $0.40/spin MAX.

This is high variance AND Netent variance. In other words, that means that you need a winning streak (usually 3 good bonus symbols simultaneously) to get in a cashout position and it can take a lot of spins to hit that streak.

$0.80/spin with a $150 bankroll is not good. $1/spin with a balance under $500 is also a very bad idea. If you're a $1/spin with a $200 bankroll type of player this isn't a slot for you and you should probably just stay away.

I didn't hit any "monster" on this slot and I'm in the positive after several thousand spins only because I play minimum bet and had enough bankroll for the rough patches. Guys, that's how Netent works and it's been the same for 2 years now. This slot is a little meaner but it's fundamentally no different.

It's in moments like this that I wish that Chopley was still around

 

[chuchu59]

My one and only deposit amount at Netent is $20 so sometimes with a bonus my bankroll is $30 or $40. My only bet size is $0.01 per line so its $0.20 per spin. Even 0.20 bets suck you dry. The best spin I had was 4 wilds that expanded.

 

[tinybettor]

Well I made another deposit so I'd get a 500x bankroll when including the previous deposit and same bloody story. The consolation is that it lasted a good half an hr this time. Getting one wish is practically useless, you'd be losing more each spin. Even getting the expanding wilds and the two random wilds can commonly yield a very crap result as was evident in my play today. Come on Netent all I'm asking for is one simple decent win once in a blue moon. Not even one >400x bet win in a bank statement of deposits to Netent casinos that stretch as far as the eye can see.

 

[Balthazar]

My one and only deposit amount at Netent is $20 so sometimes with a bonus my bankroll is $30 or $40. My only bet size is $0.01 per line so its $0.20 per spin. Even 0.20 bets suck you dry. The best spin I had was 4 wilds that expanded.

That's because "$20, $30 or $40" is only 100x, 150x and 200x.

 

[Tirilej]

I agree that this is a slot for us lowrollers. I've only played it on 20c bet but I just love it and I'm winning so much.
I have had several 500x winnings and yesterday 1250x. 45 of those bought free spins constantly retrigger.

I just love it

I might should add that I never play this game for more then $15/session. If it doesn't hit pretty fast I leave.
I just think most of you are punishing yourself by continuing to play a slot that doesn't pay. You stay too long.
It's suppose to be fun. You can't beat this kind of machine

 

[Finn]

I just started to play mostley DOA 2 months ago and ive already hit wins of over 4000x bet 5 times, and one time over 10 000x bet.

Basically this slot is designed to eat money as fast as possible. With no real potential hits to sustain the insane dead streaks. Everyone seams to agree on that.

If players where to just avoid these slots, NetEnt would have to steer their design in another route.

You seem to dislike pretty much all slots except DOA. Really few slots are going to have somekind binge gaming friendly paytable, which includes such a huge hits that you can binge play is for hundreds of thousands of spins over 2 months and have any realistic hope to stay on green, the RTP is going to get you sooner or later if there is not potential for huge enough hits.

Lets imagine a slot that pays only 0x or 1000x the bet with RTP of around 96%. Now this slot would be relatively cash out friendly for non-binge gaming because of big hit potential and high variance, but not binge gaming friendly because that thousand times the bet isn't such a monster hit in the end. Of course Wishmaster is not exactly this kind of slot, but this is just simplified example.

Binge gaming is pretty small niche, there isn't much competition for DOA, people who like DOA paytable don't really have many options, and many of players who hate new NetEnt still play DOA like 80% of the time they play slots, they don't need a new shining toy to keep their attention like more casual players, so it doesn't make much business sense to make DOA 2. So don't hold your breath waiting for it.

 

[tinybettor]

Another $150 gone. I guess I'm just a sucker for punishment. That player who won $750k recently is probably on vacation right now.

 

[dunover]

It looks like every single one of you who complained in this thread about this slot being a black hole is doing the same mistake:

YOU BET TOO HIGH

DO NOT BET OVER $0.20/SPIN WITH A $100 BANKROLL.

500x deep starting bankroll minimum. $200 starting bankroll? $0.40/spin MAX.

This is high variance AND Netent variance. In other words, that means that you need a winning streak (usually 3 good bonus symbols simultaneously) to get in a cashout position and it can take a lot of spins to hit that streak.

$0.80/spin with a $150 bankroll is not good. $1/spin with a balance under $500 is also a very bad idea. If you're a $1/spin with a $200 bankroll type of player this isn't a slot for you and you should probably just stay away.

I didn't hit any "monster" on this slot and I'm in the positive after several thousand spins only because I play minimum bet and had enough bankroll for the rough patches. Guys, that's how Netent works and it's been the same for 2 years now. This slot is a little meaner but it's fundamentally no different.

It's in moments like this that I wish that Chopley was still around

Yes, that's a good plan for the player embarking on a session with ANY new Netbent release. I found this out in free mode: it's the same for Vile Torture, TFTUT, Faliens and Twitspin and especially DoA. On Wild Rockets and Evolution you can be a little more confident you'll get a 'balance maintenance' win or two.
As for Chopley, imagine the expletives if he was trying to meet a WR on the Dish Washer! After the classic 'Scatterville Skunks' outburst God only knows what he'd say after enduring this game for an hour or two....

 

[KasinoKing]

I can't really agree with the "nay sayers" in this thread - you pays your money & you takes your chances - same with any slot.

I just played it for 5 minutes (at bets from 60c to €1.40) and increased my balance by €115;
Just 5 spins in I got a feature which was just Wins x3 (normally total crap) and the win below dropped in (not what I would call a "Super Mega Win" - but total bet x75 is not bad for a single line win).
About 30 spins later the feature triggered again, then get 2 more lamps; I had x3, Wild "cheater" and 2x Random Wilds - finished off making about €50 = not bad off 60c bets.

I understand that not everyone likes this slot, but I still think it's a LOT better than some of the other slots NetEnt have released in the last few years.

KK

 

[Balthazar]

Yes, that's a good plan for the player embarking on a session with ANY new Netbent release. I found this out in free mode: it's the same for Vile Torture, TFTUT, Faliens and Twitspin

IMO Wish Master is closer in behaviour to Wonky Wabbits. These slots tend to go into "dead spin" mode and kick your ass real hard, but since Wish Master has bigger wins in the paytable it's a bit meaner (not by much though). Good thing that they didn't pull a Reel Rush and put the minimum bet at $0.50.

 

[syntynyt]

Wonky Wabbits has a misleading promo video in which they shown full screen of wilds, with 7 wilds that generated more 7. how many people lost their money waiting for that, in reality the slot having a 3 wilds cap? if people cared a little more for their money, they would have stop complaining on forums and start a boycott petition type, but the entertainment and graphics seem to work like a hypnosis to players which put them off to act further. that video was like good old teleshopping in which products was present like innovations but in reality totally useless(and i was fooled by steam cleaner). at least these products was only at tv and never hit the big stores, unlike this fraud slot hit all major casinos.
this is the difference between WW and Wishmaster, at least on this one full screen of wilds is possible, even x3...

 

[KasinoKing]

Wonky Wabbits has a misleading promo video in which they shown full screen of wilds, with 7 wilds that generated more 7. how many people lost their money waiting for that, in reality the slot having a 3 wilds cap?

Where did you get that snippet of information from?

As far as I know you can get double wilds on reels 2 & 4 with single wilds on the other 3 reels = 7 in total (as per the pay-table).
Where have you read that it's different to that?

KK

 

[syntynyt]

i talk from experience(fortunately free play on this one), screenshots ive seen and youtube videos. this slot have some months already and nobody announced occurence of at least 4 wilds. of course i cant prove anything, but time will tell and in my POV passed enough time from its launch to know that paytable is dust in the eyes.

 

[tinybettor]

Where did you get that snippet of information from?

As far as I know you can get double wilds on reels 2 & 4 with single wilds on the other 3 reels = 7 in total (as per the pay-table).
Where have you read that it's different to that?

KK

I think he/she meant that getting more than 3 wilds is akin to getting a 5 reel WD, virtually unseen.

 

[Nate]

IMO Wish Master is closer in behaviour to Wonky Wabbits. These slots tend to go into "dead spin" mode and kick your ass real hard, but since Wish Master has bigger wins in the paytable it's a bit meaner (not by much though). Good thing that they didn't pull a Reel Rush and put the minimum bet at $0.50.

I beg to differ. The Wish Master is 10 x meaner than Wonky Wabbits. NetEnt have basically lumped the payouts in batches extremely close together. I understand that Wonky has tons of dead spins, but in all my time online, I have never had a 37% RTP over 2500 Spins (One session).

I've had a few bad runs on Wonky, but landed in the 60 - 80 % RTP range. A real bad session like that is often unseen in most online Slots. If there's one thing I learn each time with NetEnts design is long sessions are not sustainable. The Wish Master is a hit and run. I would assume that if you do not hit within max 200x your bet, its time to call it quits and head for the hills.

On my last session I thought I would maybe even out slightly, I would have been happy to run if i probably recovered 50% of my balance. I played the Slot in fun mode for extended periods to test it out and I never saw anything like my REAL session. Im not suggesting anything untoward but in any event I have seen a few bad sessions. Bank Roll doesn't matter here as I always take the Slot on with at least 500x.

Nate

 

[dunover]

i talk from experience(fortunately free play on this one), screenshots ive seen and youtube videos. this slot have some months already and nobody announced occurence of at least 4 wilds. of course i cant prove anything, but time will tell and in my POV passed enough time from its launch to know that paytable is dust in the eyes.

We can say this for most other Netbents too - when have you seen:

12 or more wilds on DoA?
The maximum 500x win on St*rb*rst?
The max win on Twitspin?
Full screen of wilds on TFTUT?
Full screen of wilds JaTB?
The ultimate 480,000 coins on Wild Rockets?
Full Wilds on Wanky Robbits?
The highest winline at x32 on Bog Bang?

 

[aceking123]

We can say this for most other Netbents too - when have you seen:

12 or more wilds on DoA?
The maximum 500x win on St*rb*rst?
The max win on Twitspin?
Full screen of wilds on TFTUT?
Full screen of wilds JaTB?
The ultimate 480,000 coins on Wild Rockets?
Full Wilds on Wanky Robbits?
The highest winline at x32 on Bog Bang?

ive seen somehwere the max payout on starburst bars with three sets of wilds.

 

[whodatrec]

Its rigged so it dont pay out the biggest prices.. Its gotta be... if not we would have seen screenshots by now.

 

[syntynyt]

We can say this for most other Netbents too - when have you seen:

12 or more wilds on DoA?
The maximum 500x win on St*rb*rst?
The max win on Twitspin?
Full screen of wilds on TFTUT?
Full screen of wilds JaTB?
The ultimate 480,000 coins on Wild Rockets?
Full Wilds on Wanky Robbits?
The highest winline at x32 on Bog Bang?

is not the same. not recalling the biggest payout, is a big difference between what is the maximum achievable on wonky wabbits (3 wilds) and playtable (7 wilds). difference is FOUR WILDS, which in reality cant be hit any extra wild OVER the THREE CAPPED wilds. both promo video and paytable are not doing any favor to this fact. even if i want, how can i prove this? playing millions of spins trying to catch extra wilds dropping in? no chance and precious minutes wasted.

 

[gokkie]

We can say this for most other Netbents too - when have you seen:

12 or more wilds on DoA?
The maximum 500x win on St*rb*rst?
The max win on Twitspin?
Full screen of wilds on TFTUT?
Full screen of wilds JaTB?
The ultimate 480,000 coins on Wild Rockets?
Full Wilds on Wanky Robbits?
The highest winline at x32 on Bog Bang?

I had the max win on twinspin. It is the winning video's somewhere

 

[KasinoKing]

i talk from experience(fortunately free play on this one), screenshots ive seen and youtube videos. this slot have some months already and nobody announced occurence of at least 4 wilds. of course i cant prove anything, but time will tell and in my POV passed enough time from its launch to know that paytable is dust in the eyes.

There is a screenshot where the player got 4 wilds (fun mode) in the Wabbit thread here at CM:
https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/wonky-wabbits-slot-netent.60506/
Post #37 if my link doesn't work properly.

Getting more than 2 is very rare obviously, because 3 or more guarantees a big payout.
Much the same as Wish Master, which has the scatter on all 5 reels, but seeing more than one (in a single spin) is a very rare occurrence too.

KK

 

[Balthazar]

is not the same. not recalling the biggest payout, is a big difference between what is the maximum achievable on wonky wabbits (3 wilds) and playtable (7 wilds).

*sigh*
If you can go 100 spins without seeing a single wild (happened to me) on Wonky Wabbits, what are to odds to land all 7 on the same spin? Or even 5? Even if it's on the paytable, you could play 10 years on quickspin and never get them. That doesn't mean that it's rigged, it means that it's ridiculously hard to get. Like the odds of getting the full screen of wilds on Avalon II is 1 in over a billion. A BILLION. Now go ahead and spin a slot a billion times to see how long it takes.

 

[Balthazar]

We can say this for most other Netbents too - when have you seen:
The max win on Twitspin?
Full screen of wilds JaTB?

These 2 were posted here a while ago. Some of these games have such ridiculous odds against you that it's next to impossible to get, like 7 wilds on WW and a line of the highest paying symbol @ 32x on Big Bang. Even if the reels are legit, you can simply see by watching the game that you'll never get those.

 

[mcgameboy]

*sigh*
If you can go 100 spins without seeing a single wild (happened to me) on Wonky Wabbits, what are to odds to land all 7 on the same spin? Or even 5? Even if it's on the paytable, you could play 10 years on quickspin and never get them. That doesn't mean that it's rigged, it means that it's ridiculously hard to get. Like the odds of getting the full screen of wilds on Avalon II is 1 in over a billion. A BILLION. Now go ahead and spin a slot a billion time to see how long it takes.

Given the somewhat sluggish spinning speed of Avalon II, I think only Methusalah would stand a chance of reaching a billion spins within his lifetime.

 

[whodatrec]

If the odds of getting those wins are so insanly high, i would define that as rigged... Why would the odds of getting a 1000-2000 x bet win be sett to the same as winning the Mega Fortune Jackpot? It just blows my mind...

 

[tinybettor]

Forget the Mega Fortune Jackpot, I think the odds of hitting the lottery is less than that!

 

[syntynyt]

There is a screenshot where the player got 4 wilds (fun mode) in the Wabbit thread here at CM:
https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/wonky-wabbits-slot-netent.60506/
Post #37 if my link doesn't work properly.

Getting more than 2 is very rare obviously, because 3 or more guarantees a big payout.
Much the same as Wish Master, which has the scatter on all 5 reels, but seeing more than one (in a single spin) is a very rare occurrence too.

KK

you are right. i still have my concerns getting more than 4 wilds but seeing actually 4 wilds is possible even if rare, i retreat my words.

 

[gokkie]

Had to lose 1500€ with an RTP of 40% betting 1€ first to hit this.
Lowered my bet to 0,60€, bad run continues, then upped my bet to 0,80€.
At least some return, allthough I am still down a lot.
Sorry no sound



Still 750xBET total win

 

[whodatrec]

This slot is a total joke... Basicly its almost impossible to get ahead..Its like every slot they release is a Wonky Wabbits clone.. Same dead spins all over.. Man i hate Netent.. Starting to lose faith in online gambling. The software providers and operators are getting way to greedy.

Down 20 000 NOK at betsson after i cahsed out, cannot win anything on any game.. Closed my account today and sent a complaint to the LGA about my deposit limit not being honored. Rigged shit!!