The randomness of slots and programming to kill

[tataru]

Hi,
there's an expression among slot programmers: Programming To Kill (emphatic for emptying your pockets completely)

So, the proponents of pure randomness, I accuse you of being somewhat stupid.
Don't believe every fairy tale that's being told, especially if there's big money involved!

Basically what is being done is you take a RNG-algorithm which behaves in a way
that creates wins at the beginning of the session , quite extremely and when the players
up the bets the algorithm "switches" to losing streak, BIG TIME.

I'm not saying that every slot operates that way, that would be completely false.
BUT I do know that SOME slots that are online DO operate like that.

I think this is a fair warning, without calling names even if that should be done.

Then again, slots never were a fair game.

 

[dionysus]

As has been said..ad nauseum...reputable providers have zero reason to not have fair and random games. They already have a built in edge and in 2017 someone would have whistle blown by now.
Are there dodgy operators? Of course. The big guns? Why bother.
Anywhere there's literally dozens of threads about this so little point is starting a new one when there's plenty to debate in.

 

[goatwack]

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[tataru]

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what do you mean by that? your angry?

 

[trancemonkey]

Hi,
there's an expression among slot programmers: Programming To Kill (emphatic for emptying your pockets completely)

So, the proponents of pure randomness, I accuse you of being somewhat stupid.
Don't believe every fairy tale that's being told, especially if there's big money involved!

Basically what is being done is you take a RNG-algorithm which behaves in a way
that creates wins at the beginning of the session , quite extremely and when the players
up the bets the algorithm "switches" to losing streak, BIG TIME.

I'm not saying that every slot operates that way, that would be completely false.
BUT I do know that SOME slots that are online DO operate like that.

I think this is a fair warning, without calling names even if that should be done.

Then again, slots never were a fair game.

Programming to kill? No there isn't... Where do you get this rubbish?

There is no algorithm to do what you say...

If you know of a slot that's doing it then say one... Give us a name. Without that what you are saying is pure rubbish...

EDIT - Damn I said I wouldn't get involved in rubbish like this again!

 

[dionysus]

That's just his c** face
...but we try not to point it out in mixed company

 

[tataru]

Programming to kill? No there isn't... Where do you get this rubbish?

There is no algorithm to do what you say...

If you know of a slot that's doing it then say one... Give us a name. Without that what you are saying is pure rubbish...

Then why are you getting so angry?

 

[trancemonkey]

Then why are you getting so angry?

Ahh of course.. denial = anger = guilt. How silly of me. I apologise for asking for proof. That must also make me guilty...

 

[tataru]

Ahh of course.. denial = anger = guilt. How silly of me. I apologise for asking for proof. That must also make me guilty...

Thanks for being honest.

I wonder though, how when your giving talks, you circumscribe "making small pockets even lighter"?

 

[goatwack]

I think we should merge every 'random/rigged' thread together and see what happens

.....when the site crashes

 

[trancemonkey]

Thanks for being honest.

I wonder though, how when your giving talks, you circumscribe "making small pockets even lighter"?

Maybe you could also be honest and offer the proof of these games that are rigged though... Given that so many people disbelieve me, the proof you have would make me look stupid and a liar... Something which I'm sure some people on here would love to see..

Of course if you are making these claims without any proof then arguably I'm not the one looking stupid

 

[trancemonkey]

I think we should merge every 'random/rigged' thread together and see what happens

.....when the site crashes

You have my permission to call me all the names under the sun when I comment on it too.. having already lost the will to live with them

 

[tataru]

I didn't say that they're not random.

As I see it, it's not rigged vs. random. but randomly rigged.
So you will never be the wiser because it's very cleverly rigged.

Nobody can deny that sometimes some slots just to don't feel random.
I know all about how the human mind tends to misjudge the length
of lucky/unlucky streaks but some things just seem completely wrong.

 

[trancemonkey]

I didn't say that they're not random.

As I see it, it's not rigged vs. random. but randomly rigged.

Nobody can deny that sometimes some slots just to don't feel random.
I know all about how the human mind tends to misjudge the length
of lucky/unlucky streaks but some things just seem completely wrong.

Come on... Don't back track now. You said you know of games that are, in your new words, "randomly rigged" - so all I ask is for you to name one. That is all

 

[goatwack]

You have my permission to call me all the names under the sun when I comment on it too.. having already lost the will to live with them

I already have, I don't think a single expletive has been wasted yet

Although in fairness I usually mutter it under my breath. Think of yourself as the literal embodiment of all my bad slot sessions

(only joking)

 

[Jono777]

Another weekend, another "rigged" thread. Things just wouldn't be the same here at CM without a fresh one to enjoy over the weekend.

One I will no longer be commenting in after this post either

(unless of course there's a chance of some half witted sarcasm )

 

[goatwack]

Come on... Don't back track now. You said you know of games that are, in your new words, "randomly rigged" - so all I ask is for you to name one. That is all

Oi, wait. What? Don't combine my quote out of context you git!

 

[goatwack]

Another weekend, another "rigged" thread. Things just wouldn't be the same here at CM without a fresh one to enjoy over the weekend.

One I will no longer be commenting in after this post either

(unless of course there's a chance of some half witted sarcasm )

So, Jon, do you think slots are rigged?

 

[trancemonkey]

Oi, wait. What? Don't combine my quote out of context you git!

Yeah I don't know how that happened... I only pressed to reply to tatanu! Sorry!

 

[Jono777]

So, Jon, do you think slots are rigged?

Only if I hit 3 losing sessions or more on the trot with no play time.

Withdrew £80 from £20 twice this week (yeah peanuts I know lol ) so they are not rigged...... for now....

 

[tataru]

Yeah I don't know how that happened... I only pressed to reply to tatanu! Sorry!

Well, I'm guilty of PTK.
Obviously though, I won't rat you myself.
Plus, it's not illegal where it's offered.

But I have original slot design.
What is WAY worse imho is when people steal the look of a slot,
change the algorithms and act like it's the original.

That might very well a few icecold sessions of IR.
I'm washing my hands of that, for sure.

 

[tataru]

Well, I'm guilty of PTK.
Obviously though, I won't rat you myself.
Plus, it's not illegal where it's offered.

But I have original slot design.
What is WAY worse imho is when people steal the look of a slot,
change the algorithms and act like it's the original.

That might very well a few icecold sessions of IR.
I'm washing my hands of that, for sure.

EDIT: Something funny strikes me. I bet there are enough peeps on this board
who would engage on a known rigged slot just to proof all others wrong.

 

[trancemonkey]

Well, I'm guilty of PTK.
Obviously though, I won't rat you myself.
Plus, it's not illegal where it's offered.

But I have original slot design.
What is WAY worse imho is when people steal the look of a slot,
change the algorithms and act like it's the original.

That might very well a few icecold sessions of IR.
I'm washing my hands of that, for sure.

PTK?

Also the whole "I have the knowledge but I'm not sharing it" is a cop out.. either you have proof or you don't. If you don't want to share it publicly, PM me...

But unless you can and will put evidence to your allegations then they are worthless...

I wouldn't dare come on here and say "as far as I know slots are random" unless I could prove that with evidence...

 

[tataru]

Evidence?
So you have oversight over the source code of most slots people are playing here?

Anything less and you don't have "evidence", sorry.

PROGRAM2KILL, CODE2KILL short PTK or P2K, alt C2K CTK

 

[trancemonkey]

Evidence?
So you have oversight over the source code of most slots people are playing here?

Anything less and you don't have "evidence", sorry.

PROGRAM2KILL, CODE2KILL short PTK or P2K, alt C2K CTK

I asked you for the proof you say you have... Name a slot - you say you can.

I have enough knowledge of the industry, companies, people in them, the test houses and the tests they do, the commissions and I have seen, written and reviewed code at multiple companies I have worked at. Without sounding big headed I would think this would give me more of an insight than a player who "thinks they are randomly rigged" and therefore yes, I think i have a lot more evidence than you

 

[interlog]

I agree.

Slots are rigged.

I deposited 4 times now at Mr Smith Casino. £200 a pop on Bonanza at £2 a spin.

Each and every one of these deposits has resulted in a profitable withdrawal. The biggest one being £2,300. My latest one £700 and the one before that £1,300

Keep rigging those slots pretty please. I am liking it!

 

[Gonzo]

Okej maybe they are not rigged.. But something has defently changed over the years. i play only gonzo and have done that sens 2010 the bonus is much more harder to trigger and when it does it pais 20-50 x bet. I remeber earlyer it was really fun playing it even on the basegame it paid good. Now ita pointless to even touch the game if u dont start with a balance on 500euro.. i just think its sad that the changed a game wich was so fun to play o loost money that time aswell but never did i felt that shitt this game was rigged because it gave me a good session with a lot off playtime.. i was entertained. Nowdays it just suck ju down to 0 like its robb you and that is not fun. Okej if it is going to taka
my money but atleast give me some playtime.

 

[Gonzo]

Haha my english really suks

 

[dutchyboy]

Okej maybe they are not rigged.. But something has defently changed over the years. i play only gonzo and have done that sens 2010 the bonus is much more harder to trigger and when it does it pais 20-50 x bet. I remeber earlyer it was really fun playing it even on the basegame it paid good. Now ita pointless to even touch the game if u dont start with a balance on 500euro.. i just think its sad that the changed a game wich was so fun to play o loost money that time aswell but never did i felt that shitt this game was rigged because it gave me a good session with a lot off playtime.. i was entertained. Nowdays it just suck ju down to 0 like its robb you and that is not fun. Okej if it is going to taka
my money but atleast give me some playtime.

LOL, sorry but I can't help myself to have a laugh at this post.

 

[Gonzo]

LOL, sorry but I can't help myself to have a laugh at this post.

Enjoy mate i prefer making people happy and laugh rater than making them sad. but what was funny i don understand

 

[gambyx7]

Well, taturu was rude and his statements are very strong and probably untrue, but question of randomness is inevitable.

So, are the slots programmed to kill!

No! Just to heavily injure.

Higher stakes, less win!

No! Rarely I raise from my standard bets and when I do raise, I usually go well.

Are they programmed for players to win?

No!

Are they programmed on pure randomness?

No!

They are maniputaling randomness, simulating it, but they are always in advance!

Are slots fair!?
No!

Because it is not fair to wait for free spins 500 spins (or even 1000) and then get 7x and wait another 200-300 spin for second chance. It happened to 70% of slots which I play.
From low to high variance slots, no difference.

It is not fair that slots are becoming not only boring, but also ready for robbing players.

And it is very said to hear from some players and developers that that's because that feature/free spins can provide jackpot hit! What justification????!!!! Ror not giving at least 15-20x!

Are players responsible for their loses?

Yes. Because we let them. Because we play their "imaginitive" slots, because we think that after 500 dead spins must come that saving spin, because we are greedy. And they love it. We give them profit.

They are not humanitarian organisations. They let us win now and them, but not to make us rich. Only to hook up us!

And when slotters swear, I highly doubt they swear zeros ond units and commands, the softwer itself. They swear makers of that games, because they deliberatly programmed all that siberian cold seaks.

As conclusion: slots are not random!!! They are manipulation where our loses are most of spin outcoms and our wins needed sacrifice, just to keep things going.