The Catfather RTP Confusion – Need Clarification!

[radeon5]

Hi Casinomeister Community,

I hope everyone is doing well. I have a question about the slot "The Catfather" by Pragmatic Play, specifically regarding its RTP (Return to Player) value.

According to Pragmatic Play's official website, the RTP for The Catfather is listed as 98.1%. However, I’ve been playing this slot on a platform powered by EveryMatrix (Holiganbet), and the in-game information does not display the RTP.

Here’s what I’d like to know:

1. Is 98.1% the only RTP version of The Catfather, or are there other configurations available?
2. How can I confirm the exact RTP version of the game on a specific platform?
3. Has anyone here experienced similar discrepancies with this or other slots by Pragmatic Play?

I’d greatly appreciate any insights, suggestions, or similar experiences you can share. Thank you in advance for your help!

 

[Guntis]

I'm not a fan of pragmatic slots at all, but for checking their RTPs, the RTP Fox Chrome extension usually works fine. You can find it on the Chrome Store via the link below. To make it work just activate it and then start The Catfather at a casino you play at, and you should see its RTP in the right corner.

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[dunover]

Hi Casinomeister Community,

I hope everyone is doing well. I have a question about the slot "The Catfather" by Pragmatic Play, specifically regarding its RTP (Return to Player) value.

According to Pragmatic Play's official website, the RTP for The Catfather is listed as 98.1%. However, I’ve been playing this slot on a platform powered by EveryMatrix (Holiganbet), and the in-game information does not display the RTP.

Here’s what I’d like to know:

1. Is 98.1% the only RTP version of The Catfather, or are there other configurations available?
2. How can I confirm the exact RTP version of the game on a specific platform?
3. Has anyone here experienced similar discrepancies with this or other slots by Pragmatic Play?

I’d greatly appreciate any insights, suggestions, or similar experiences you can share. Thank you in advance for your help!

It can be offered as that model, but all Pragmatics I know do actually have 92, 94 and 96.x setting available to operators so yes, check the specific game page at your site, assuming they haven't hidden it.

 

[doashka]

Hello. Pragmatic Play has several variations of RTP, just like most providers. To find out the specific value in a particular project, you need to check it yourself.

 

[radeon5]

Hi everyone,

Thank you for your responses regarding The Catfather slot RTP. I wanted to provide an update based on what I’ve tried so far:

1. I opened the game and checked the info section. However, neither RTP nor volatility is mentioned there. Interestingly, even on Pragmatic Play's official version of the game, this information is not displayed within the in-game info section. The only place where RTP is mentioned is on their website, where it is listed as 98.1%, but this is not shown in the game itself.
2. I installed and tested the RTP Fox extension on Google Chrome. After activating it and opening a slot to check its functionality, the extension did not display any RTP information or provide a pop-up as expected. It didn’t seem to work at all.

This leaves me wondering how to effectively verify the exact RTP version being used on specific platforms like EveryMatrix-powered casinos. If anyone has further advice or can share their experiences using RTP Fox or other tools, I’d greatly appreciate it.

Thank you again for your help!

 

[Guntis]

Try what you see in my screenshot using the Chrome inspector with the Catfather at your casino. This is not the Catfather - on a site where i usually play, it wasn't available yet, so I checked one about penguins.

By the look of it, one of these RTPs should be the real one for this game, but i have no idea which one.

P.S I guess that these RTP varieties could be related to bonus buys, ante bet, and a normal game.

 

[Guntis]

It's a weird thing. Here is the same RTP data for the Catfather on Pragmatic's official site in demo mode. So, i have no idea what those RTPs are all about. They're exactly as in the screenshot above for a different game.

 

[radeon5]

Thank you for taking the time to help, @Guntis

I’ve been trying to follow your steps, but unfortunately, I couldn’t get the RTP information displayed as you did.

What’s interesting is that when I visited Pragmatic’s official site, the game shows 98.1% RTP written below the game. However, you found 96.48% RTP instead.

This means that Pragmatic is lying about the RTP. The actual RTP of the game is different and lower than what they advertise on their site.

How can they do this? It’s ridiculous!

 

[Guntis]

I would say, i don't know what Pragmatic is up to, lol. I just found those RTPs in the page's JavaScript folder and don't know what they really mean. Maybe somebody more knowledgeable can provide more info.

These as i've mentioned could be related to whether the player is in an "ante" play or a "purchase" (bonus buy) play. But i'm not 100% sure - i'm not a slot maker and i don't like Pragmatic Play

if (tempGameInfo['rtps'] == null) {
tempGameInfo['rtps'] = {};
tempGameInfo['rtps']['ante'] = 95.49;
tempGameInfo['rtps']['purchase'] = 96.51;
}

 

[radeon5]

I would say, i don't know what Pragmatic is up to, lol. I just found those RTPs in the page's JavaScript folder and don't know what they really mean. Maybe somebody more knowledgeable can provide more info.

These as i've mentioned could be related to whether the player is in an "ante" play or a "purchase" (bonus buy) play. But i'm not 100% sure - i'm not a slot maker and i don't like Pragmatic Play

if (tempGameInfo['rtps'] == null) {
tempGameInfo['rtps'] = {};
tempGameInfo['rtps']['ante'] = 95.49;
tempGameInfo['rtps']['purchase'] = 96.51;
}

thecatfather has no ante bet or purchase thing so i guess this information is different games information as i understand

 

[bamberfishcake]

 

[radeon5]

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Thank you for your help.
However, isn't it clearly misleading for them to still display 98.1% RTP on their site?
I really have a hard time understanding this issue.

How could a major provider like Pragmatic possibly post false information about this?
Also, it seems like you really understand this topic. If I shared the site I play on, would you be able to check its RTP without logging in?

Because the site told me they pull the original RTP directly from the provider and use the highest package available.

 

[mulven]

Thank you for your help.
However, isn't it clearly misleading for them to still display 98.1% RTP on their site?
I really have a hard time understanding this issue.

How could a major provider like Pragmatic possibly post false information about this?
Also, it seems like you really understand this topic. If I shared the site I play on, would you be able to check its RTP without logging in?

Because the site told me they pull the original RTP directly from the provider and use the highest package available.

The demo available may be different to the live version so it would be prudent to be logged in.

It's possible it was an original RTP in 2016 and they've brought out lower versions since and possibly gotten rid of the original. They put out hundreds of games so it's not hard to imagine some administrative neglect happening on their website although it is disappointing. Hanlon's razor, although maybe neglect rather than stupidity

I believe you've already shared the site, I'll try to check the live RTP in the meantime whilst Guntis is not here.

 

[bamberfishcake]

Unfortunately, we have an industry where casinos and developers think its ok to produce identical titles with different payback percentages.

My personal opinion is that this is unethical at best, and, at worst, irresponsible when you consider the posturing around safer gambling.

Again, my own personal opinion - Play'n GO and Pragmatic Play have led the charge on this. Both use Max RTP versions for demos and allow sites to offer lower when logged in.

Play'n GO allow the RTP rating to be hidden from info too in some jurisdictions.

They can argue that over a small number of spins you won't notice, but the reality is that different versions are different for a reason and don't offer the same win or bonus frequency - the detailed stats can be dramatically different.

In short, its a con. Again - just my opinion.

@radeon5 - @mulven is right - never trust the demo, no point in checking.

 

[radeon5]

Unfortunately, we have an industry where casinos and developers think its ok to produce identical titles with different payback percentages.

My personal opinion is that this is unethical at best, and, at worst, irresponsible when you consider the posturing around safer gambling.

Again, my own personal opinion - Play'n GO and Pragmatic Play have led the charge on this. Both use Max RTP versions for demos and allow sites to offer lower when logged in.

Play'n GO allow the RTP rating to be hidden from info too in some jurisdictions.

They can argue that over a small number of spins you won't notice, but the reality is that different versions are different for a reason and don't offer the same win or bonus frequency - the detailed stats can be dramatically different.

In short, its a con. Again - just my opinion.

@radeon5 - @mulven is right - never trust the demo, no point in checking.

Yes, I always try to check and play the versions after logging in, not the demo versions. But as you mentioned, Play'n GO and Pragmatic are indeed the leading companies in this regard, disregarding ethical values entirely.

From what I understand, they initially released the game in 2016 with an RTP of 98.1%, and that's how it was published. Later, as bamberfishcake pointed out, they reduced the RTP to 96.52%. However, they either couldn't be bothered or were too lazy to update or remove the 98.1% RTP information from their own website.

Truly an amazing company, Pragmatic...

 

[radeon5]

The demo available may be different to the live version so it would be prudent to be logged in.

It's possible it was an original RTP in 2016 and they've brought out lower versions since and possibly gotten rid of the original. They put out hundreds of games so it's not hard to imagine some administrative neglect happening on their website although it is disappointing. Hanlon's razor, although maybe neglect rather than stupidity

I believe you've already shared the site, I'll try to check the live RTP in the meantime whilst Guntis is not here.

The site is Holiganbet, but since all sites using the EveryMatrix infrastructure probably use the same version, you can also check jojobet.com, holiganbet.com, or matbet.com if you have the time. They most likely use the same version since they source their games from EveryMatrix, as they use that platform.

However, I believe the version shown in the screenshot shared by bamberfishcake with an RTP of 96.52% is accurate for the version loaded into the game. This is because, when I play, I genuinely feel like it burns through money quickly, even though it's supposed to be low volatility.

Or maybe it's just the nature of slots, and it's impossible to notice the difference over 300-500 spins.

 

[mulven]

The site is Holiganbet, but since all sites using the EveryMatrix infrastructure probably use the same version, you can also check jojobet.com, holiganbet.com, or matbet.com if you have the time. They most likely use the same version since they source their games from EveryMatrix, as they use that platform.

However, I believe the version shown in the screenshot shared by bamberfishcake with an RTP of 96.52% is accurate for the version loaded into the game. This is because, when I play, I genuinely feel like it burns through money quickly, even though it's supposed to be low volatility.

Or maybe it's just the nature of slots, and it's impossible to notice the difference over 300-500 spins.

RTP fox doesn't work because the way they are getting the game from a server isn't the standard, might be some weird aggregator thing. I grabbed some fake Turkish id, phone and address information and combined with a temp email signed up. Looks to be the usual rtp stuff it spits out (although there are tons of lines and variants if you expand the results).

I'm guessing the RTP isn't shown due to the age of the slot? First time I've seen a pragmatic that didn't have the RTP on the 3rd last page or wherever it usually is.

And yes it will likely be the same for the rest of the sites owned by Coinbar.

I'd suggest using other providers. I generally avoid any game that does not display its RTP. BetSoft for example doesn't list their RTP - although they do sometimes have a button that links to a pdf which mentions it. They have 97.53% (via rtp fox) Quest to the West on their demo page which is the advertised RTP everywhere however they have variable RTP and most sites use the 93.5% version (via rtp fox).
As for alternatives on holiganbet, I had a quick look at providers and checked a few:

• PGSoft have a whole host of 96.75-97.5% RTP slots
• Bgaming seems to be not lowered (although some casinos do this on a per-slot basis so just check). I checked a random one and it was 97% so thumbs up there.
• Amatics seem to be not lowered although always check as they might lower specific games. I checked the highest amatic there was (image below) and its still 98.11%.

 

[radeon5]

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RTP fox doesn't work because the way they are getting the game from a server isn't the standard, might be some weird aggregator thing. I grabbed some fake Turkish id, phone and address information and combined with a temp email signed up. Looks to be the usual rtp stuff it spits out (although there are tons of lines and variants if you expand the results).

I'm guessing the RTP isn't shown due to the age of the slot? First time I've seen a pragmatic that didn't have the RTP on the 3rd last page or wherever it usually is.

And yes it will likely be the same for the rest of the sites owned by Coinbar.
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I'd suggest using other providers. I generally avoid any game that does not display its RTP. BetSoft for example doesn't list their RTP - although they do sometimes have a button that links to a pdf which mentions it. They have 97.53% (via rtp fox) Quest to the West on their demo page which is the advertised RTP everywhere however they have variable RTP and most sites use the 93.5% version (via rtp fox).
As for alternatives on holiganbet, I had a quick look at providers and checked a few:

• PGSoft have a whole host of 96.75-97.5% RTP slots
• Bgaming seems to be not lowered (although some casinos do this on a per-slot basis so just check). I checked a random one and it was 97% so thumbs up there.
• Amatics seem to be not lowered although always check as they might lower specific games. I checked the highest amatic there was (image below) and its still 98.11%.

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Thank you so much for your effort and the time you took to help. I really appreciate it!

 

[Guntis]

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RTP fox doesn't work because the way they are getting the game from a server isn't the standard, might be some weird aggregator thing. I grabbed some fake Turkish id, phone and address information and combined with a temp email signed up. Looks to be the usual rtp stuff it spits out (although there are tons of lines and variants if you expand the results).

I'm guessing the RTP isn't shown due to the age of the slot? First time I've seen a pragmatic that didn't have the RTP on the 3rd last page or wherever it usually is.

And yes it will likely be the same for the rest of the sites owned by Coinbar.
View attachment 203909

I'd suggest using other providers. I generally avoid any game that does not display its RTP. BetSoft for example doesn't list their RTP - although they do sometimes have a button that links to a pdf which mentions it. They have 97.53% (via rtp fox) Quest to the West on their demo page which is the advertised RTP everywhere however they have variable RTP and most sites use the 93.5% version (via rtp fox).
As for alternatives on holiganbet, I had a quick look at providers and checked a few:

• PGSoft have a whole host of 96.75-97.5% RTP slots
• Bgaming seems to be not lowered (although some casinos do this on a per-slot basis so just check). I checked a random one and it was 97% so thumbs up there.
• Amatics seem to be not lowered although always check as they might lower specific games. I checked the highest amatic there was (image below) and its still 98.11%.

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RTP Fox pulls the info from pragmaticplay.net. Maybe that site has a different source and that's why it doesn't work?

 

[mulven]

RTP Fox pulls the info from pragmaticplay.net. Maybe that site has a different source and that's why it doesn't work?

Exactly, tried to get at that with my comment on the server stuff but didn't know the specific normal pragmatic url so wasn't able to mention it.

I had a look in the network requests and did not find the usual type of source, which as you mentioned in this case is pragmaticplay.net and in most cases is a url that the provider owns and includes the providers name.

These guys appear to be pulling it from an aggregator server of some sort that is then probably fetching the real deal. I don't think its a fake version at all just seems to be a non standard way of accessing the pragmatic server.

 

[Guntis]

I'll chuck this one here in case some needs it. RTP Fox:

 

[mulven]

I'll chuck this one here in case some needs it. RTP Fox:

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ah neat is that from the chrome extension settings? Didn't know that they had some options in there.

I would definitely be wary of sources that dont look similar to these although it doesn't necessarily mean the game is a fake version. When I've been combing through XHRs in network requests in the past I've always seen proper source urls like these, though.

 

[Guntis]

ah neat is that from the chrome extension settings? Didn't know that they had some options in there.

I would definitely be wary of sources that dont look similar to these although it doesn't necessarily mean the game is a fake version. When I've been combing through XHRs in network requests in the past I've always seen proper source urls like these, though.

Yeah, just go to your extensions and click on Details. Sometimes i keep an eye out for any new URLs they add and that's why knew about this list There is also its developer here on the forum, but i don't see him around often. Tropicana50 - RTP Fox.

 

[radeon5]

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RTP fox doesn't work because the way they are getting the game from a server isn't the standard, might be some weird aggregator thing. I grabbed some fake Turkish id, phone and address information and combined with a temp email signed up. Looks to be the usual rtp stuff it spits out (although there are tons of lines and variants if you expand the results).

I'm guessing the RTP isn't shown due to the age of the slot? First time I've seen a pragmatic that didn't have the RTP on the 3rd last page or wherever it usually is.

And yes it will likely be the same for the rest of the sites owned by Coinbar.
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I'd suggest using other providers. I generally avoid any game that does not display its RTP. BetSoft for example doesn't list their RTP - although they do sometimes have a button that links to a pdf which mentions it. They have 97.53% (via rtp fox) Quest to the West on their demo page which is the advertised RTP everywhere however they have variable RTP and most sites use the 93.5% version (via rtp fox).
As for alternatives on holiganbet, I had a quick look at providers and checked a few:

• PGSoft have a whole host of 96.75-97.5% RTP slots
• Bgaming seems to be not lowered (although some casinos do this on a per-slot basis so just check). I checked a random one and it was 97% so thumbs up there.
• Amatics seem to be not lowered although always check as they might lower specific games. I checked the highest amatic there was (image below) and its still 98.11%.

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can you send me the link that you see sites owned by coinbar n.v. please if possible

 

[mulven]

Yeah, just go to your extensions and click on Details. Sometimes i keep an eye out for any new URLs they add and that's why knew about this list There is also its developer here on the forum, but i don't see him around often. Tropicana50 - RTP Fox.

ooh Awesome, when I was doing my betsoft check, I had a delve into the code to see how he managed to parse the RTP and tried to follow it back through each function but got lost. Would love to see if he can wangle the RTP of of 1Spin4Win slots. Most of their slots are apparently 97%+ with no variable rtp mentioned but they don't display their RTP so I'm always been hesitant to use those.