"That one."

[The Dude]

I was floored by McCain's comment during last night's debate - referring to Obama as "that one". And McCain obviously refrained from shaking Obama's hand.

Where does this animosity come from?

I don't like divisive politics. McCain and Obama should understand that it's the swing vote that'll get them to Pennsylvania avenue. The "that one" comment probably alienated anyone who was sitting on the fence. And his behaviour (not looking at Obama during debate #1, and the lack of a sportsmanlike handshake) puts me off. Me no like.

 

[RobWin]

I agree and I think that the folks (the undecided one's) are really going to be put off by this type of animosity on McCain's part...that was even almost child like there at the end when Obama offered out his hand for a handshake and McCain turned away leaving Obama hanging...not personable at all...that's the last type of personality we need in the White House !!

 

[just play]

I missed that part. We went to bed.

Watching them is strange....it's almost like watching "Dancing With the Stars" and McCain is the professional and Obama is the star.

Obama is sooooooo new to this, I don't know if I would want him as president. On the other hand, I don't know if I would want McCain as president either.

They shook hands when they came out, but again I didn't see the end.

 

[The Dude]

Here's "that one" at Youtube

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You should've taped it

 

[LaurieJim]

i have to admit i was put off by MCain last night, cant believe im saying that as someone who is a conservative republican, it was just not the handshake but the i , i ,i ,i in alot of things he said, i may do like alot of folks and set this one out as i agree with just play on what she posted...............i could write dr. paul in but it wouldnt do any good, our future as a nation is at stake here and if Obama would do just half of what he says hes gonna do, id vote for him, i just want us as a nation to be able to get back on our feet, ...this close to election and im confused for the first time in my voting life....................laurie

 

[1819]

i have to admit i was put off by MCain last night, cant believe im saying that as someone who is a conservative republican, it was just not the handshake but the i , i ,i ,i in alot of things he said, i may do like alot of folks and set this one out as i agree with just play on what she posted...............i could write dr. paul in but it wouldnt do any good, our future as a nation is at stake here and if Obama would do just half of what he says hes gonna do, id vote for him, i just want us as a nation to be able to get back on our feet, ...this close to election and im confused for the first time in my voting life....................laurie

women can vote???? couldnt pass it up lj.

 

[LaurieJim]

women can vote???? couldnt pass it up lj.

its gonna be the swing votes(like c/m said) and the one like myself, who may help put the next president in office,i just want the right one in and neither one looks good to me any more, cant remember, is there a box that says "none of the above"? or can i write it in ?

 

[silcnlayc]

Ok, here's a tidbit but can't remember where I saw it, either on Larry king Live or another talk show...Obama and the host was talking about religion and Obama came out with my faith, Muslam and he stopped, looked around and the host asked him what he said and he said "that was a mistake" and it was nothing...going to find where I saw it....

Now THAT was worrisome!

 

[just play]

Here's "that one" at Youtube

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You should've taped it

I don't see the big deal. He called Obama "that one" so what? I was getting ready for it to be more "pricky" I guess. He didn't say it in the way I thought he did.

Maybe he just forgot his name

 

[swampwitch]

Ok, here's a tidbit but can't remember where I saw it, either on Larry king Live or another talk show...Obama and the host was talking about religion and Obama came out with my faith, Muslam and he stopped, looked around and the host asked him what he said and he said "that was a mistake" and it was nothing...going to find where I saw it....

Now THAT was worrisome!

I believe you're speaking of this...

From Media Matters

On the September 7 edition of This Week, Obama discussed, in host George Stephanopoulos' words, Republicans who have "suggested" he had "Muslim connections "and claimed that such suggestions are "promulgated on Fox News, let's say, and Republican commentators, who are closely allied" with Sen. John McCain's campaign. After Stephanopoulos asserted that McCain "said that's wrong" to question Obama's faith, Obama replied: "[Y]ou're absolutely right that John McCain has not talked about my Muslim faith." Stephanopoulos interjected, "Your Christian faith," to which Obama replied: "My Christian faith. Well, what I'm saying is he hasn't suggested that I'm a Muslim. And I think that his campaign, upper echelons have not either. What I think is fair to say is that coming out of the Republican camp, there have been efforts to suggest that perhaps I'm not who I say I am when it comes to my faith, something which I find deeply offensive. And that has been going on for a pretty long time."

He never said he was Muslim, and it wasn't really a slip of the tongue.


Even if he was a Muslim, who cares? Not all Muslims are terrorists, and not all terrorists are Muslim. Here in the US, I'm way more afraid of certain Christians. Timothy McVeigh and Eric Rudolph ring any bells?


The term "that one"...McCain has complete disdain for Obama, and is completely pissed off that anyone dares oppose him for the presidency...especially someone who looks like "that one". Make of it what you will, but McCain has a clear record of less than "inclusive" language. This is the guy who will hug Jerry Falwell, but won't shake Obama's hand.

 

[The Dude]

I don't see the big deal. He called Obama "that one" so what? I was getting ready for it to be more "pricky" I guess. He didn't say it in the way I thought he did.

Maybe he just forgot his name

The problem is that it's not "Presidential". The same with not giving the hand shake at the end. One could tell that Obama was reaching toward McCain, but McCain directed Obama towards Mrs. McCain. WTF?

We need someone who acts like the President of the United States, not someone who wears his annoyance on his sleeve.

 

[just play]

The problem is that it's not "Presidential". The same with not giving the hand shake at the end. One could tell that Obama was reaching toward McCain, but McCain directed Obama towards Mrs. McCain. WTF?

We need someone who acts like the President of the United States, not someone who wears his annoyance on his sleeve.

This is the thing people do...they find one thing that one man does and all of a sudden it's a big deal. For instance Obama not putting his hand on his heart during "God Bless America" (which I find very offensive) but it doesn't mean he wouldn't make a good president.

It's just a hand shake, again that doesn't mean he wouldn't be a good president because he didn't shake a mans hand does it?


Who did you vote for? "I voted for Obama because McCain wouldn't shake his hand" imagine if people voted like that?

 

[LaurieJim]

I believe you're speaking of this...

From Media Matters


He never said he was Muslim, and it wasn't really a slip of the tongue.


Even if he was a Muslim, who cares? Not all Muslims are terrorists, and not all terrorists are Muslim. Here in the US, I'm way more afraid of certain Christians. Timothy McVeigh and Eric Rudolph ring any bells?


The term "that one"...McCain has complete disdain for Obama, and is completely pissed off that anyone dares oppose him for the presidency...especially someone who looks like "that one". Make of it what you will, but McCain has a clear record of less than "inclusive" language. This is the guy who will hug Jerry Falwell, but won't shake Obama's hand.

those are good points swampwitch, but didnt he attend a muslim school in the middle east when he was a youngster?it doesnt make him a bad person or anyone for that matter, ive had many muslim friends in my life and like you said , i also worry alot about the homegrown terrorist ............

 

[silcnlayc]

Thank you for this:

"[Y]ou're absolutely right that John McCain has not talked about my Muslim faith."

Actually he did state HIS Muslim faith..

And then to change his tune in midstream...why? Just as he went to the church that hated America and he "seemed" not to notice all the hate and discontent that was spewed from the pulpit for the american people and government for over twenty years...??

Lets look at all the things that made this man who he is and what he was fed and he was NOT being fed patriotism for America..he was being fed hate, discontent, discrimination and many other things that is detrimental our country..so how can a man that denies his faith, church etc when it is true and is written turn around and say he is honest and lead us?

I believe neither one of these choices are good...but which one would be the worst evil? We already had this choice before and look where this landed us!

No offense to anyone...just tired of having to choose from 2 when they really aren't the best for our country..each and every election year..

 

[classymom]

I too am now torn on who to vote for. I dont think Obama has the experience to pull it off ( I would have voted for Hilary) I am a Republican, but I'm really confused.

 

[RobWin]

Thank you for this: Actually he did state HIS Muslim faith..

And then to change his tune in midstream...why? Just as he went to the church that hated America and he "seemed" not to notice all the hate and discontent that was spewed from the pulpit for the american people and government for over twenty years...??

Lets look at all the things that made this man who he is and what he was fed and he was NOT being fed patriotism for America..he was being fed hate, discontent, discrimination and many other things that is detrimental our country..so how can a man that denies his faith, church etc when it is true and is written turn around and say he is honest and lead us?

I believe neither one of these choices are good...but which one would be the worst evil? We already had this choice before and look where this landed us!

No offense to anyone...just tired of having to choose from 2 when they really aren't the best for our country..each and every election year..

You can always show your displeasure for these two candidates by voting for the Libertarian candidate Bob Barr Link Removed ( Old/Invalid)

or you could always do a write in like Ron Paul ...if enough people did actually write in Ron Paul then the election could be swayed...

 

[RobWin]

This is the thing people do...they find one thing that one man does and all of a sudden it's a big deal. For instance Obama not putting his hand on his heart during "God Bless America" (which I find very offensive) but it doesn't mean he wouldn't make a good president.

It's just a hand shake, again that doesn't mean he wouldn't be a good president because he didn't shake a mans hand does it?


Who did you vote for? "I voted for Obama because McCain wouldn't shake his hand" imagine if people voted like that?

I think you're missing the bigger picture here as Bryan stated...that is clearly not presidential...imagine if he were to do that same thing or say that same thing while in the presence of another world leader...hell that could be the start of another cold war...think about it...this is the most powerful office in the world and for a world leader to act with this type of disdain toward another American or anyone for that matter especially in person is totally unacceptable !!

 

[LaurieJim]

this is the first time i can remember in an election where alot of republicans are confused, and im one of them. we all want whats best for the country and neither of them cuts it for me, imo.i guess its something we will all have to look deep into our hearts and decide..................

 

[BingoT]

I say vote for Condoleezza Rice
She is way better than all of them.

Or just put Sarah & Condoleezza as a team.
Now that would be a good one.

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Who ever you put in the White House this year your going to get the same old *^&%$% None of them are God.

 

[swampwitch]

Bob Bar is an interesting fellow. Kinda McCain-like, in more ways than one.

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Presented by the Religious Freedom Coalition of the Southeast
Here's some highlights...But the whole paper is a hoot....

Rep. Bob Barr, R-GA, winner of the 1999 Equine Posterior Achievement Award, has a consistent record of attacking the U.S. Constitution and American values. Barr's record sets a new standard for hypocrisy and mean-spiritedness in public life. This self-righteous Georgia congressman considers himself a moral crusader, but he has more than his share of petty corruption scandals from his past. First elected in 1994, highlights of Rep. Barr's political career include:

Supporting a constitutional amendment to undermine separation of church and state. "Congress has the opportunity to send enemies of religious freedom a clear message that their attempts to erase religious belief from America's culture by cleverly manipulating the judicial system will not be tolerated," Barr said.
Becoming the first member of Congress to introduce an "inquiry of impeachment," long before the public had heard of Monica Lewinsky.
Giving a keynote speech at a gathering of the racist and anti-immigrant Council of Conservative Citizens, a direct descendant of the White Citizens Councils set up across the South in the 1950s to defend segregation.
Calling hate crimes legislation to protect the rights of gays and lesbians, women and disabled Americans "a backdoor way to obtain protected status for sexual orientation and sexual deviancy."
Sponsoring the anti-gay Defense of Marriage Act. Despite the fact that he was married three times, sued by his second wife, and, according to published reports, was once seen at a fundraising event licking whipped cream off of the chests of two women, Barr explained his sponsorship of DOMA this way: "The flames of hedonism, the flames of self-centered morality are licking at the very foundations of our society: the family unit."
Earning consistent 100 percent ratings from the Christian Coalition.
Sponsoring an amendment * passed by Congress * that barred the Washington D.C. Board of Elections from tallying the votes on a referendum to legalize the use of marijuana for patients suffering from cancer, AIDS or glaucoma. Officials estimate it would have cost only $1.64 to count the votes.
Campaigning on a pledge to eliminate the National Endowment for the Arts.
Voting to cut funding for Head Start, Medicare, Aid to Families with Dependent Children and student loans.
Bob Barr was commonly seen as a gun-toting, NRA champion, anti-gay bigot. Barr is definitely all of these, and more. He was named "Gun Rights Legislator of the Year" by the Gun Rights Organization, a far right wing organization. While pretending to be a champion of "traditional" marriage, Barr remarried three times and also licked whipped cream off of a beauty pageants breasts. Hardly a man of "traditional" marriage standards. In addition, during the Judiciary Committee hearings (which he serves on) it was revealed that Barr has given speeches to the Council of Conservative Citizens, a racist organization.

I really think the Libertarians could have found someone better than this guy.

And Ron Paul? Wants to take away a woman's right to choose. Big old deal breaker for me.

Fer chrissakes...if people are going to hold Rev. Wright's views over Obama...where's the outrage over the xenophobic, racist, sexist, homophobic, religiost views of the evangelical whackjobs whose asses McCain is kissing?

It is NOT unpatriotic to question the fairness of your government. It is NOT patriotic to worship a piece of cloth over taking care of your fellow human beings.

 

[just play]

I think you're missing the bigger picture here as Bryan stated...that is clearly not presidential...imagine if he were to do that same thing or say that same thing while in the presence of another world leader...hell that could be the start of another cold war...think about it...this is the most powerful office in the world and for a world leader to act with this type of disdain toward another American or anyone for that matter especially in person is totally unacceptable !!

I'm confused.....it's not presidential to not shake anothers hand, but it IS presidential not to put your hand on your heart during God Bless America?

Maybe McCain doesn't like Obama, maybe he thought Obama was going towards his wife, or maybe he just didn't want to shake his hand, big deal. That certainly would not make me vote for Obama.

I am not missing the bigger picture, I just don't get bent out of shape over something so insignificant.

 

[lots0]

Some of you have forgotten that 40+ years ago in the USA, Black people did not have the same rights as White people.

John McCain was an adult at that time, he knows well that the use of the term "That one" to refer to a black man is raciest and takes us back to the days before Civil Rights came to America.

I also note that McCain's campaign has lowered itself to name calling by calling Obama a Terrorist sympathizer.

But you know, I also noticed that Obama has not mentioned the story about McCain collaborating with the North Vietnamese when he was a prisoner of war. The story of McCain's collaboration with our enemies has been in the main stream news for years and years. Even other Republicans have accused him of collaborating with our Enemy in a time of War.

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There are many many more people that believe that McCain turned traitor in that prisoner of war camp.... Especially the men that were there with him.

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"This document is a transcript of a Hanoi correspondent broadcast to Cuba quoting newly captured POW John McCain detailing U.S. military information about U.S. bombing operations over North Vietnam. The broadcast was transmitted in English on November 09, 1967 and intercepted by U.S. intelligence."

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John S. McCain gave over twenty interviews voluntarily to our commie enemies in Viet-Nam, in which he gave out sensitive military information that could have cost American lives.

 

[RobWin]

I'm confused.....it's not presidential to not shake anothers hand, but it IS presidential not to put your hand on your heart during God Bless America?

Maybe McCain doesn't like Obama, maybe he thought Obama was going towards his wife, or maybe he just didn't want to shake his hand, big deal. That certainly would not make me vote for Obama.

I am not missing the bigger picture, I just don't get bent out of shape over something so insignificant.

I agree...you're confused, and about more things than one, it was the National Anthem and not God Bless America that you are referring to....

 

[just play]

I agree...you're confused, and about more things than one, it was the National Anthem and not God Bless America that you are referring to....

Pardon me Now I'm confused on more things than one, because I don't share your views? Nice dump on me, I'm not impressed.

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No comment on that from you though, how interesting.

 

[lots0]

Pardon me Now I'm confused on more things than one, because I don't share your views? Nice dump on me, I'm not impressed.

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No comment on that from you though, how interesting.

Hmmm... Lets see, who is the better person... Someone that once did not put their hand on their chest for the National Anthem or someone who is an obvious Raciest and that most likely collaborated with our enemies after being captured during war time?

Lets not forget the Keating Five Scandal, where John McCain, put undo pressure on Banking regulators to intercede for his buddy Charles Keating who had ripped off millions and millions from American Citizens in the big Savings and Loan Rip-off of the 1980's and 90's.

This Keating thing is the same kind of crap that has caused our current financial collapse... Politicians helping out their big money donors to the determent of everyone else... and John McCain was smack dab in the middle of that corruption for 26 years.

 

[winbig]

What really got me was towards the end of the debate when Obama was talking about Russia.....and how we not only have to give them moral support, but we need to give them financial support to help rebuild their economy??

How about focusing on our economy first, then worry about other countries?

 

[lots0]

What really got me was towards the end of the debate when Obama was talking about Russia.....and how we not only have to give them moral support, but we need to give them financial support to help rebuild their economy??

How about focusing on our economy first, then worry about other countries?

Obama was talking about our friends and allies in Georgia, he was not talking about oil rich Russia that attacked them and destroyed the economy in Georgia, an economy that does in fact need help from us to rebuild. McCain is also a big big supporter of Georgia. McCain has called the Georgian president a personal friend and has also promised to help Georgia rebuild, if he is elected.

 

[LaurieJim]

What really got me was towards the end of the debate when Obama was talking about Russia.....and how we not only have to give them moral support, but we need to give them financial support to help rebuild their economy??

How about focusing on our economy first, then worry about other countries?

.......BINGO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[RobWin]

Pardon me Now I'm confused on more things than one, because I don't share your views? Nice dump on me, I'm not impressed.

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No comment on that from you though, how interesting.

I could care less whether you share my views or anybody else's views for that matter...if you don't understand the significance of McCain referring to Obama as "That One" and the significance of him turning away when Obama tried to shake hands with him in a true sportsmanlike, gentlemanly way after both Bryan, myself and lots0 have tried to explain the significance to you then you are clearly never going to see it IMO...

Ok, I'll give you a comment regarding Obama, and a little history lesson at the same time...how's that

US Code Title 36 Chapter 10 Section 171 states that:

171. Conduct during playing of the national anthem
During rendition of the national anthem when the flag is displayed, all present except those in uniform should stand at attention facing the flag with the right hand over the heart. Men not in uniform should remove their headdress with their right hand and hold it at the left shoulder, the hand being over the heart. Persons in uniform should render the military salute at the first note of the anthem and retain this position until the last note. When the flag is not displayed, those present should face toward the music and act in the same manner they would if the flag were displayed there.

Notice the word "should", which clearly does not hold the same meaning as "must" or is "required"....

It is, and only is merely a suggestion...

 

[lots0]

.......BINGO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

If you really feel that way... This should make you really angry....

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$2,520 Millions ($2.5 Billion) given to Israel in 2006.

$1,795 Millions ($1.9 Billion) given to Egypt in 2006.

And the list goes on...

 

[winbig]

Obama was talking about our friends and allies in Georgia, he was not talking about oil rich Russia that attacked them and destroyed the economy in Georgia, an economy that does in fact need help from us to rebuild. McCain is also a big big supporter of Georgia. McCain has called the Georgian president a personal friend and has also promised to help Georgia rebuild, if he is elected.

I stand corrected.

Georgia, or Russia, it still doesn't matter. It seems we're screwed with whomever gets elected.

Why can't they just admit that there's a HUGE problem here at home in the USA, and work as hard to rebuild OUR economy before ANY FURTHER foreign aid money leaves the country? IMO, they should put a HALT on any such funding of countries around the world until the USA is in better shape, financially.

Think about it....we're TRILLIONS of dollars in debt, but yet we can "afford" to send money WE DON'T HAVE to other countries?

Here's some interesting reading:

Double Whammy: 50-Year Record on Sept. 22. $10 Trillion on Sept. 30, 2008.
The gross national debt compared to GDP (how rich we are) reached its lowest level since 1931 as Reagan took office. It skyrocketed for 12 years through Bush I. Clinton reversed it at a peak of 67%. Bush II crossed that line on Sept. 22 and hit 69% on Sept 30. That's the highest it's been since 1955 (53 years ago).
Bush did three things to skyrocket the debt from $5.7 trillion to $10 trillion:
1. He lowered taxes on the rich (by far the biggest item).
2. He invaded Iraq instead of winning in Afghan-Pakistan (another $600 B).
3. He loosened controls on Wall Street.
As it happens, McCain backed all three policies: (1) He backed Bush's tax cuts for the rich and now wants to give them bigger tax cuts. (2) He was gung-ho for the Iraq war from the start. (3) When Katie Couric asked Sarah Palin to name one time McCain suggested regulating Wall Street, she couldn't—because he never did. He crowed in the Wall Street Journal how he was always against regulation.

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[lots0]

Not only is McCain not for regulating the Banking industry, he has actively supported Banking de-regulation by his votes in the Senate.

And as I pointed out before, McCain was more than willing to abuse his power as a US Senator to get Banking Regulators to back off his large political donor Charles Keating who was using the Banking de-regulation of the time (Which McCain wholeheartedly Supported) to steal millions from the savings and loans all over the country.

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[LaurieJim]

you know who i felt was left out last night in the debate? the poor people in this country, everything was middle class, im middle class but i know alot of folks that are right on the poverty line, what are each one of them gonna do about the poor and most are elderly or single moms or dads , people living on the streets, some have served this country in uniform and are living under bridges, shit like that bothers me also..................laurie

 

[just play]

I could care less whether you share my views or anybody else's views for that matter...if you don't understand the significance of McCain referring to Obama as "That One" and the significance of him turning away when Obama tried to shake hands with him in a true sportsmanlike, gentlemanly way after both Bryan, myself and lots0 have tried to explain the significance to you then you are clearly never going to see it IMO...

Ok, I'll give you a comment regarding Obama, and a little history lesson at the same time...how's that

You have a lot of anger built up in you, I wonder if you think you are superior to everyone you come in contact with or just me?

Leave the shots for another forum member who will take it, as I will not.

 

[bryand]

I am white and was born and raised in South Carolina in the 60's and 70's and never once heard a person of color referred to as 'that one'. You guys are clearly reaching for shyte to bitch about.

Where were all of you liberals when I pleaded with the forum to stop using the work nazi, e.g. grammer nazi? And you're taking exception to McCain saying 'that one'??? He meant 'that other candidate' - get over it already.

 

[RobWin]

You have a lot of anger built up in you, I wonder if you think you are superior to everyone you come in contact with or just me?

Leave the shots for another forum member who will take it, as I will not.

No shots...just facts and opinion, If you think I have a lot of anger built up, you obvisously don't know me or many of my posts on here...

Good luck to you "just play"...

 

[RobWin]

I am white and was born and raised in South Carolina in the 60's and 70's and never once heard a person of color referred to as 'that one'. You guys are clearly reaching for shyte to bitch about.

Where were all of you liberals when I pleaded with the forum to stop using the work nazi, e.g. grammer nazi? And you're taking exception to McCain saying 'that one'??? He meant 'that other candidate' - get over it already.

Yea, maybe Bryan but you have to admit that it was clearly a disrespectful and contemptuous phrase to use whether it be Obama or anyone else...

 

[LaurieJim]

just play, rob is very political minded and i dont think he meant no dis respect or he would be dis respecting me all the time, its your right to think and vote as you please, thats something that cant be taken away, please do like i do and be guided by your heart and what you believe in whether its politics or just plain life.......laurie

 

[babs7262]

my 2cents

First
I didnt read many of the posts on this thread. All I saw was "that one" in the menu and came to the last page scanning as I came here. Id like to give my opinion even though I only watched part of the debate because I couldnt go through another second of McCain saying "my friends"

First: I just about fell out of my bed when he referred to Obama as "that one over there" I dont know about where you live but in Phila they did a pole and he made a huge mistake because he dropped in points for that. Do I think it was racial? NO, I dont think it was racial, it was just disrespectful , immature and foolish of this old fart.

2nd: We need a President who cares about us and not winning against who they are debating. What I mean, of course you want to win the debate dont fixate on the opponents' negative, I would rather see someone who focuses on what they can do for us instead of what the other one cant do. Do what happened to that? Why cant we just get our shit together and work as one nation instead of 2 in division?

3rd: This is just my personal opinion. I feel McCain will lose because of the bigger picture. If something happens to him (which it might considering how old he is) that means a woman is going to be in charge of this country and most of the country isnt ready for that, even if its just until they find a replacement. You cant tell me that noone has thought of that

I happen to like Obama, I dont like EVERYTHING he wants but I still like him better than McCain. He just validated my feelings last night by the way he acted toward Obama

 

[winbig]

I am white and was born and raised in South Carolina in the 60's and 70's and never once heard a person of color referred to as 'that one'. You guys are clearly reaching for shyte to bitch about.

Where were all of you liberals when I pleaded with the forum to stop using the work nazi, e.g. grammer nazi? And you're taking exception to McCain saying 'that one'??? He meant 'that other candidate' - get over it already.

Forgive me if I missed it, but I don't think anyone even mentioned the race card.

Even if Obama was white, it would still be disrespectful.

Would you want *anyone* calling you "that one?"

Maybe you should open up your closed mind, and quit thinking everything that people are saying against McCain is just "something to bitch about."

No disrespect, but do you actually READ into what's being brought up, or just take everything at face value?

 

[GamTrak]

For those complaining about giving money to other countries, do you realize that it's necessary?

We need to be more concerned about the fact that we are like $500 BILLION dollars in debt to China and allowing CEO's at AIG and other companies that we bailed out and now have an investment in to spend $400,000 at a resort!!!

I'm just wondering if you agree with the fact that each and every month we are spending $12 billion in Iraq, but have very little for Pakistan where we need to be pooling all of our resources looking for Osama Bin Lauden? By now it's obvious that the majority of Americans want's us to pull out.

 

[GamTrak]

McPalin has made it perfectly clear that they are very desparate and will stoop to a new low to try and win. IMO they are going way to far and it could get very ugly if they run up on the wrong crowd.

McCain did at least chicken out and not do it publically like Palin, but it's clear that he is pissed that a black man is taking what he see as HIS right due to HIS service to OUR country.

That being said, anyone that does not see the statement "that one" as dis-respective and could be taken in a negative way is in denial.

The 'pitbull' in lipstick has made it her mission to be a HATE MONGER and it will backfire. I'll be back here on November 5th to gloat about it UNLESS they are somewhere counting chads! hehe


.

 

[RobWin]

For those complaining about giving money to other countries, do you realize that it's necessary?

We need to be more concerned about the fact that we are like $500 BILLION dollars in debt to China and allowing CEO's at AIG and other companies that we bailed out and now have an investment in to spend $400,000 at a resort!!!

I'm just wondering if you agree with the fact that each and every month we are spending $12 billion in Iraq, but have very little for Pakistan where we need to be pooling all of our resources looking for Osama Bin Lauden? By now it's obvious that the majority of Americans want's us to pull out.

It still amazes me that folks believe that the most powerful nation on earth with the greatest resources and technology of any nation in the history of the world can not find one guy after looking for him for seven years now...coincidence...IMO, NO...if we really wanted to go after and capture Bin Laden we would have done it a long time ago....

I don't even believe Bin Laden had anything to do with it, but that's another story for this thread here...https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/what-do-these-buildings-have-in-common.27137/

 

[mysticjoz]

I have not decided on either, because I personally feel they both have good points and bad points. If we could take them both and only use the good ideas they have we would have the perfect candidate.

I don't think McCain meant anything by not shaking his hand. It may actually go back to the torture when he was POW and had what.. both shoulders broken but never set properly which is why he can't raise his arms up completely. who knows?

we can sit hear and argue that he did it intentionally, but we also have to remember.. We are in the middle of a war! If we walk away from it.. we are setting this country up to be attacked again and again. To withdraw the right way is probably the only way out of the mess without competely looking like we just give up. Yes it was the wrong war IMO.. we didn't belong there. But we are there.. thanks to Bush. So now we need to get out without losing our standing or integrity as a country.

This is supposed to be THE UNITED STATES yet we are torn more today than ever because of "party affiliation" ..(??) I do agree we need to unite again. Democrats and Republicans, and Independants. It's the only way this country is going to keep from going under any further than we are. Thats just my opinion.

As far as I can see ... there is So much mud-slinging in this election.. it actually makes my stomach turn!

(comedy central just showed a clip.. saying "it's only racist if you are") hmmm

 

[GamTrak]

I don't even believe Bin Laden had anything to do with it, but that's another story for this thread here...https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/what-do-these-buildings-have-in-common.27137/

You know Rob, I was thinking the same thing recently, but my hubby said that I was crazy! LOL

It just doesn't add up. I've been in Information Technology since the 80's and IMO we do have the technology to find him as well as those 'so called' weapons of mass destruction that Iraq supposidly had.

I would not put it past Bush/Chaney to have pulled the greatest scam in history on the world on this subject. The fact that they are allowed to sit on billions why we go broke said it all because like I said, it just doesn't add up.

 

[GamTrak]

As far as I can see ... there is So much mud-slinging in this election.. it actually makes my stomach turn!

(comedy central just showed a clip.. saying "it's only racist if you are") hmmm

Sometimes what you see is not always the way it is.

Anyone that does not think race will play a part in this election is also in denial. Personally I know that the majority of white people do not care one way or the other because I hang out with more whites then I do blacks (only because of where I live).

My nephew's mother is white as well as my bishop so I have a pretty good grasp of what I'm talking about.

 

[lots0]

For those complaining about giving money to other countries, do you realize that it's necessary?

How so? I don't believe it is necessary.
Would that money not be better spent building infrastructure here inside the USA? Rather that going into the pockets of dictators and religious zealots that hate each other and us.... I know discussion for another thread...

 

[GamTrak]

How so? I don't believe it is necessary.
Would that money not be better spent building infrastructure here inside the USA? Rather that going into the pockets of dictators and religious zealots that hate each other and us.... I know discussion for another thread...

Did I say that I would condone that? Please don't put words in my mouth. I'm capable of doing that for myself. I do not feel the need to elaborate on that particular subject right now.

 

[The Dude]

He he. I'm sending in my Federal Write-in Ballot today.


Hmm, which will it be? This one....or that one?

 

[GrandMaster]

How so? I don't believe it is necessary.
Would that money not be better spent building infrastructure here inside the USA? Rather that going into the pockets of dictators and religious zealots that hate each other and us.... I know discussion for another thread...

Newsflash: The main purpose of foreign aid is not help foreigners but to subsidize domestic industries.