Thank you for taking away auto spins. A genius is at play here.

[lockinlove]

I feel like gaming commissions browse this forum?

If so, I would like to thank you for removing auto spins. They are extremely reckless and dangerous to gamblers. I also appreciate you adding to my carpel tunnel syndrome.

Remove auto spins but 1 inch above the spin button, I can buy bonuses for 2000x my bet. 1 bonus buy on $1.60 is $3200. This is totally cool, safe and responsible! But auto spins? Oh hell no. Off with your head you irresponsible peasant.



Thank you for protecting me and allowing me to use my clicker more. Im sure tech stores appreciate it and the increase in sales due to worn out clickers.

 

[X-Raided]

I feel like gaming commissions browse this forum?

If so, I would like to thank you for removing auto spins. They are extremely reckless and dangerous to gamblers. I also appreciate you adding to my carpel tunnel syndrome.

Remove auto spins but 1 inch above the spin button, I can buy bonuses for 2000x my bet. 1 bonus buy on $1.60 is $3200. This is totally cool, safe and responsible! But auto spins? Oh hell no. Off with your head you irresponsible peasant.



Thank you for protecting me and allowing me to use my clicker more. Im sure tech stores appreciate it and the increase in sales due to worn out clickers.

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You're welcome. Play responsibly.

 

[lockinlove]

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You're welcome. Play responsibly.

Thank you. Im sure it will help block bonus buys

 

[X-Raided]

Thank you. Im sure it will help block bonus buys

 

[conker]

Very witty @X-Raided, but if we were all able to exhibit excellent self control then there would be no such thing as 'Bonus Buys' in the first place. The only beneficiaries of Bonus Buys are the slot developers and casinos, and possibly the streamers. Players have this huge temptation lurking on the screen and are forced into avoid it while they play.

There should be an option of opt out of Bonus Buys in my opinion, so they are not visible on the screen if you choose not to show them.

 

[slot_zombie]

I've lost count of the amount of times I've given in to temptation and started buying bonuses because nothing would land, and it's ruined the gaming session.

Also lost count of the times where a random BB has transformed a stubborn session's fortunes into something very positive indeed.

All very conflicting.!

 

[X-Raided]

Very witty @X-Raided, but if we were all able to exhibit excellent self control then there would be no such thing as 'Bonus Buys' in the first place. The only beneficiaries of Bonus Buys are the slot developers and casinos, and possibly the streamers. Players have this huge temptation lurking on the screen and are forced into avoid it while they play.

There should be an option of opt out of Bonus Buys in my opinion, so they are not visible on the screen if you choose not to show them.

I disagree. We all play slots mostly FOR the bonuses and free spin features.

There's many players (The Bandit comes to mind) where all they do is pick a game and directly buy a bonus without spinning the reels once. I've seen enough Bandit videos where he has very profitable sessions from this method of playing and sometimes he ends up crashing and burning.

I'm not one of those players who buys a feature. I do, however, always toggle YES on the "better chance to land a bonus" feature, on most of the games that allow it. I have no issues ignoring the option to buy a bonus.

As far as the 1000X+ super bonus buys on Nolimit City and other provider's games? I have enough common sense to know not to touch those with a 10-foot pole. Furthermore, I deposit conservatively and couldn't afford purchasing one if I wanted to. If a player is dumb enough to consecutively purchase those super bonuses and bust their bankroll, then that's their problem. They would need to pick up that book I mentioned above and give gambling a break.

"There should be an option of opt out of Bonus Buys in my opinion, so they are not visible on the screen if you choose not to show them."

How would you direct the casinos and or the providers to implement this idea of yours without a psychotic player simply exiting the game after opting out and reentering the game and buying the bonus?

 

[conker]

Ok, everyone has a right to disagree.

 

[satchnz]

I’m lucky that I’m never tempted to buy bonuses. The only time I ever purchase them is on a special occasion. At Xmas each year my better half and I have a session where we will buy six bonuses as part of our play. We experience mixed results but the exercise overall enforcers my desire not to purchase them more regularly.

I must admit that I wish bonus buys were never a thing or were outlawed completely. I feel that bonus buys have generally ruined the base games of slots.

 

[Jono777]

I disagree. We all play slots mostly FOR the bonuses and free spin features.

There's many players (The Bandit comes to mind) where all they do is pick a game and directly buy a bonus without spinning the reels once. I've seen enough Bandit videos where he has very profitable sessions from this method of playing and sometimes he ends up crashing and burning.

I'm not one of those players who buys a feature. I do, however, always toggle YES on the "better chance to land a bonus" feature, on most of the games that allow it. I have no issues ignoring the option to buy a bonus.

As far as the 1000X+ super bonus buys on Nolimit City and other provider's games? I have enough common sense to know not to touch those with a 10-foot pole. Furthermore, I deposit conservatively and couldn't afford purchasing one if I wanted to. If a player is dumb enough to consecutively purchase those super bonuses and bust their bankroll, then that's their problem. They would need to pick up that book I mentioned above and give gambling a break.

"There should be an option of opt out of Bonus Buys in my opinion, so they are not visible on the screen if you choose not to show them."

How would you direct the casinos and or the providers to implement this idea of yours without a psychotic player simply exiting the game after opting out and reentering the game and buying the bonus?

By implementing something similar to raising loss / deposit limits when you change those, there are cooling off periods.

On top of these, as much as I hate it, as an operator, I would enforce mandatory SoW to prove the player could afford regular BB's

 

[X-Raided]

By implementing something similar to raising loss / deposit limits when you change those, there are cooling off periods.

On top of these, as much as I hate it, as an operator, I would enforce mandatory SoW to prove the player could afford regular BB's

That's rather Hitlerian and extreme, no?

All of this because some gamblers lose self control, so everybody else pays the price?

 

[X-Raided]

They took away your precious auto spins to "protect the player" and people bitched and moaned after this was done.

You ask for casinos/providers to remove bonus buys and people will bitch and moan after that's fully implemented.

In fact, it's gambling and people lose money... so if the bonus buys are taken away, then players will find something new to bitch and moan about. "arggg!! providers shouldn't be making the bet sizes higher than $1.00! Why is there a bet option for $5!!" etc..

 

[goatwack]

Nice to see the widespread implementation of autospin removal, and that gambling authorities are finally recognizing it as one of the greatest - if not the greatest - affliction of our time, with all that's happening in the world right now.

This of course from a gaggle of simpletons who've never so much as looked at a slot, let alone played one!

Surely then, it figures that manually playing these games and being invested in the digital 'interaction' ensures that all eyes are on what's playing out in front of you, and why developers would seek to showcase their Bonus Buys to the attentive player. Mind you, autoplay and BBs aren't mutually exclusive, and the likes of NLC's practices not beholden to whether a game features automated spinning.

Fact is, the likes of NLC & co will continue to employ these practices because they can, knowing the sloth-like responses from our slotting custodians....

Is there anything wrong with BBs? not really, it has a time and a place for those wishing to partake, whether that be to escape the relentless slotting churn, or to simply save on time, or to just have a BB-oriented session- which can be great and a break from the norm.

By the same token, I'm not sure what enjoyment can be gleaned from Bonus Buy-oriented slots anyway, given their very nature, nor ability to be 'forthcoming' in the vanilla version, autoplay or not....

Still, think of the countless fun to be had now, as every spin is savoured and mulled over, providing boundless entertainment and value for money!!

 

[lockinlove]

That's rather Hitlerian and extreme, no?

All of this because some gamblers lose self control, so everybody else pays the price?

I think it has more to do with them issuing draconian measures but allow about the most reckless thing possible which is massive bonus buys.

Remove autospins because they are irresponsible but keep 2000-3000x bonus buys available.

It doesnt make sense and is essentially saying auto spins are more dangerous than massive bonus buys that can destroy someones finances in about an hours time.

Bonus buys were never a part of gambling. You can gamble perfectly well without them. They entice reckless behavior and almost push irresponsible gambling. Without question they should be banned from the face of the earth.

Your rhetoric seems to be "well act like an adult and make good decisions".

Make sure to stop by rehab centers and go around and tell all the drug and alcohol addicts the same. Im sure they will appreciate it and wil be a very effective method.

 

[lockinlove]

Nice to see the widespread implementation of autospin removal, and that gambling authorities are finally recognizing it as one of the greatest - if not the greatest - affliction of our time, with all that's happening in the world right now.

This of course from a gaggle of simpletons who've never so much as looked at a slot, let alone played one!

Surely then, it figures that manually playing these games and being invested in the digital 'interaction' ensures that all eyes are on what's playing out in front of you, and why developers would seek to showcase their Bonus Buys to the attentive player. Mind you, autoplay and BBs aren't mutually exclusive, and the likes of NLC's practices not beholden to whether a game features automated spinning.

Fact is, the likes of NLC & co will continue to employ these practices because they can, knowing the sloth-like responses from our slotting custodians....

Is there anything wrong with BBs? not really, it has a time and a place for those wishing to partake, whether that be to escape the relentless slotting churn, or to simply save on time, or to just have a BB-oriented session- which can be great and a break from the norm.

By the same token, I'm not sure what enjoyment can be gleaned from Bonus Buy-oriented slots anyway, given their very nature, nor ability to be 'forthcoming' in the vanilla version, autoplay or not....

Still, think of the countless fun to be had now, as every spin is savoured and mulled over, providing boundless entertainment and value for money!!

Oh hell ya!

I look forward to the weekend, crack open a box of wine open up slots press spin and watch it count to 3 seconds so I cant spin so fast. So then I get irritated and buy bonuses!

Lets all wear helmets that match the ones the gaming commissions are wearing!

 

[Jono777]

That's rather Hitlerian and extreme, no?

All of this because some gamblers lose self control, so everybody else pays the price?

Where have you been for the last 'X' gambling years lol

We've been steadily forced this way. more and more crap to cope with for players and operators alike for sadly a long time now.

It will only get worse. Cannot understand for something that is clearly making them money (and lots of it) why them seem to be desperately driving more and more seasoned (and controlled) players away and indirectly may it be bt forcing operators to close or pull out of overly controlled markets

 

[geordiecolin]

Oh hell ya!

I look forward to the weekend, crack open a box of wine open up slots press spin and watch it count to 3 seconds so I cant spin so fast. So then I get irritated and buy bonuses!

Lets all wear helmets that match the ones the gaming commissions are wearing!

My virtual reality slots headset refused to let me win a bonus buy so it didn't last long.

 

[X-Raided]

They entice reckless behavior and almost push irresponsible gambling. Without question they should be banned from the face of the earth.

Your rhetoric seems to be "well act like an adult and make good decisions".

Make sure to stop by rehab centers and go around and tell all the drug and alcohol addicts the same. Im sure they will appreciate it and wil be a very effective method.

By that logic, why not ban $50+ bets from the game's betting options, too... because gambling degenerates might be enticed to recklessly start betting way higher than they can afford per spin and lose their children's college funds and their homes in the mix. Betting $50+ a spin is an option, but most gamblers don't have a brain the size of a goldfish to stake those kinds of amounts unless they're heavy high rollers.

Your rhetoric seems to be "well act like an adult and make good decisions".

Correct. Don't attempt to ruin it for the rest of us, who may want to fast pace our gambling sessions and have the option to purchase a bonus round or two, just because of a few bad apples.

I will somewhat agree with you, that the 1000X+++ the stake "super" bonus buys and the MAX WIN or NOTHING bonus buys are a little out of hand (and possibly a little out of line). That said, I've never been tempted to purchase any of that nonsense and would laugh at anyone who does and loses everything.

 

[X-Raided]

We've been steadily forced this way. more and more crap to cope with for players and operators alike for sadly a long time now.

Correct. This is why all you Brits have flocked in droves to unregulated crypto casinos, because you got tired of the baby bottle feeding and the SoW requests. I don't blame you.

 

[lockinlove]

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By that logic, why not ban $50+ bets from the game's betting options, too... because gambling degenerates might be enticed to recklessly start betting way higher than they can afford per spin and lose their children's college funds and their homes in the mix. Betting $50+ a spin is an option, but most gamblers don't have a brain the size of a goldfish to stake those kinds of amounts unless they're heavy high rollers.

Your rhetoric seems to be "well act like an adult and make good decisions".

Correct. Don't attempt to ruin it for the rest of us, who may want to fast pace our gambling sessions and have the option to purchase a bonus round or two, just because of a few bad apples.

I will somewhat agree with you, that the 1000X+++ the stake "super" bonus buys and the MAX WIN or NOTHING bonus buys are a little out of hand (and possibly a little out of line). That said, I've never been tempted to purchase any of that nonsense and would laugh at anyone who does and loses everything.

A $50 spin is not the same as a bonus buy. You are guarenteed a bonus when you buy it...which is usually where most of the rtp is held and people get their big wins from. Not always...but the majority and slots advertise as such.

You make the assumption humans are perfect and are all the same. You may want to educate yourself on addiction and the human brain.

Gambling can actually become a disorder and behavioral addiction. Most problem gamblers have mental disorders. We have many patients who have parkinsons and because of their medication entices gambling problems. You have a picture that its some married guy losing more than he should. That's not usually the case.

By all means you are welcome to feel how you want but laughing at someone elses addictions and misfortune seems pretty low.

There are laws and policies all throughout the world to protect people from themselves because part of being human means having flaws.

 

[Avernite]

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By that logic, why not ban $50+ bets from the game's betting options, too... because gambling degenerates might be enticed to recklessly start betting way higher than they can afford per spin and lose their children's college funds and their homes in the mix. Betting $50+ a spin is an option, but most gamblers don't have a brain the size of a goldfish to stake those kinds of amounts unless they're heavy high rollers.

Your rhetoric seems to be "well act like an adult and make good decisions".

Correct. Don't attempt to ruin it for the rest of us, who may want to fast pace our gambling sessions and have the option to purchase a bonus round or two, just because of a few bad apples.

I will somewhat agree with you, that the 1000X+++ the stake "super" bonus buys and the MAX WIN or NOTHING bonus buys are a little out of hand (and possibly a little out of line). That said, I've never been tempted to purchase any of that nonsense and would laugh at anyone who does and loses everything.

We get it. You're the grand authority on self control and are the perfect gambler. You don't need to be a smug prick about it.

Personally, I hope they do get rid of bonus buys because it's gotten well and truly out of control.

Use fire in the hole 3 for example. Max win or nothing is 7000x per buy, up to 6000x for a range of bonus options where some aren't possible to replicate in game. It's no longer like when White Rabbit came out at a reasonable 50-100x.

The issue is that games are now being built around bonus buys (where spinning in the bonus is increasingly rare) rather than the base game/natural bonuses, making many new slots simply unplayable.

 

[X-Raided]

A $50 spin is not the same as a bonus buy. You are guarenteed a bonus when you buy it...which is usually where most of the rtp is held and people get their big wins from. Not always...but the majority and slots advertise as such.

You make the assumption humans are perfect and are all the same. You may want to educate yourself on addiction and the human brain.

Gambling can actually become a disorder and behavioral addiction. Most problem gamblers have mental disorders. We have many patients who have parkinsons and because of their medication entices gambling problems. You have a picture that its some married guy losing more than he should. That's not usually the case.

By all means you are welcome to feel how you want but laughing at someone elses addictions and misfortune seems pretty low.

There are laws and policies all throughout the world to protect people from themselves because part of being human means having flaws.

You might have a point.. but I'm not here to psychoanalize the chemical imbalances of another person and what constitutes a problem gambler from a regular $50 weekend punter. I don't really care about any of that. And if you're a problem gambler, sorry.

I'm just a bonus buy advocater and believe it should be at the player's discretion to partake or not partake in purchasing them.

 

[X-Raided]

You don't need to be a smug prick about it.

Use fire in the hole 3 for example. Max win or nothing is 7000x per buy, up to 6000x for a range of bonus options where some aren't possible to replicate in game. It's no longer like when White Rabbit came out at a reasonable 50-100x.

I'll be, say what I want to say and there isn't a damn thing that you can do about it.

 

[lockinlove]

You might have a point.. but I'm not here to psychoanalize the chemical imbalances of another person and what constitutes a problem gambler from a regular $50 weekend punter. I don't really care about any of that. And if you're a problem gambler, sorry.

I'm just a bonus buy advocater and believe it should be at the player's discretion to partake or not partake in purchasing them.

I am not a problem gambler. I work in medicine so I know these things. Even if I didn't, I feel it's common sense not to laugh at others without caring or being educated on it all. However, it is your right to live how you want and your opinion regardless of what I think.

Hopefully now that you have been educated a bit on the matter you will change your stance about laughing at others in dismay. Or you can carry on laughing at people. Up to you. *shrug*

 

[X-Raided]

I am not a problem gambler. I work in medicine so I know these things. Even if I didn't, I feel it's common sense not to laugh at others without caring or being educated on it all. However, it is your right to live how you want and your opinion regardless of what I think.

Hopefully now that you have been educated a bit on the matter you will change your stance about laughing at others in dismay. Or you can carry on laughing at people. Up to you. *shrug*

You got it homie.

I got an EV by the way and you were right all along. It's amazing!

 

[lockinlove]

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You got it homie.

I got an EV by the way and you were right all along. It's amazing!

Most amazing car and will be very hard for me to go back.

I find it really annoying the political aspect of it all. Some people look down on you for driving an EV and think you are 'woke'. I just dont want to stand in line for gas at 5am, can pick up super fast and is just really nice and convenient overall. I mean, I dont really care what people think but I also dont appreciate when some lunatic in a truck tries to drive me off the road because I am in a Tesla lol. (yes that actually happened to me once)

 

[Avernite]

I'll be, say what I want to say and there isn't a damn thing that you can do about it.

Which is the mentality I'd expect from a 5 year old, but you do you.

 

[X-Raided]

Which is the mentality I'd expect from a 5 year old, but you do you.

 

[X-Raided]

Most amazing car and will be very hard for me to go back.

I find it really annoying the political aspect of it all. Some people look down on you for driving an EV and think you are 'woke'. I just dont want to stand in line for gas at 5am, can pick up super fast and is just really nice and convenient overall. I mean, I dont really care what people think but I also dont appreciate when some lunatic in a truck tries to drive me off the road because I am in a Tesla lol. (yes that actually happened to me once)

I'll send you a PM so we don't derail your thread.

 

[SpinUk]

I think it has more to do with them issuing draconian measures but allow about the most reckless thing possible which is massive bonus buys.

Remove autospins because they are irresponsible but keep 2000-3000x bonus buys available.

It doesnt make sense and is essentially saying auto spins are more dangerous than massive bonus buys that can destroy someones finances in about an hours time.

Bonus buys were never a part of gambling. You can gamble perfectly well without them. They entice reckless behavior and almost push irresponsible gambling. Without question they should be banned from the face of the earth.

Your rhetoric seems to be "well act like an adult and make good decisions".

Make sure to stop by rehab centers and go around and tell all the drug and alcohol addicts the same. Im sure they will appreciate it and wil be a very effective method.

I would lump the hyper bonus buy aspect into the roullete camp - when it is 2000x stake or more for the “god” bonus buys you may as well just lump that on roullete more for a 10-1 win for the same result. Did you ever play them in demo mode? You can usually max win a slot within an hour using them, less usually. The likes of white rabbit in my opinion are unplayable without bonus buys.

 

[geordiecolin]

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Seems like Rabbi Shmuley loves America again

 

[justdoit]

self control

 

[Avernite]

I would lump the hyper bonus buy aspect into the roullete camp - when it is 2000x stake or more for the “god” bonus buys you may as well just lump that on roullete more for a 10-1 win for the same result. Did you ever play them in demo mode? You can usually max win a slot within an hour using them, less usually. The likes of white rabbit in my opinion are unplayable without bonus buys.

White Rabbit has an underrated base game when the caterpillar pops off.

 

[Keith Hargrave]

I'll be, say what I want to say and there isn't a damn thing that you can do about it.

I believe the bonus buy option severely negates one's chances of spinning into one. And even if it doesn't the belief it does always still lingers in my head thus inflicting my confidence to winning..

In my humble opinion BB along with the better chance option are not game features their more like inventive ways of taking more of your money with no better chance of winning than before they existed. In other words fleecing tools.

 

[dunover]

I believe the bonus buy option severely negates one's chances of spinning into one. And even if it doesn't the belief it does always still lingers in my head thus inflicting my confidence to winning..

In my humble opinion BB along with the better chance option are not game features their more like inventive ways of taking more of your money with no better chance of winning than before they existed. In other words fleecing tools.

It doesn't make the games pay less RTP percentage, all it does it increase game turnover substantially with ante-bet, and massively with bonus buys, so they end up making their 4% house edge faster as well for a higher amount.

 

[Avernite]

It doesn't make the games pay less RTP percentage, all it does it increase game turnover substantially with ante-bet, and massively with bonus buys, so they end up making their 4% house edge faster as well for a higher amount.

Some bonus buy options have different RTPs though.

 

[dunover]

Some bonus buy options have different RTPs though.

True, but only by a tiny amount like game RTP of 96.50%, bonus buy 96.58% which is like 1/1200th more at 0,08% better.