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Swedish license - Should I stay or should I go?

L&L-Jan said:
That part of your comment, would make the industry much more better, trust me !
Thats the reason why all casino's impose crazy rules.
Question and demand, thats it. But really unfortunate for "normal" players who have no clue they breached rules.

Thats also the reason why I'm really leaning to: No bonuses or incentives in general. For the whole industry.

You play at a casino that takes care of you accordingly. Processes your deposits and withdrawals and adds a compensation if you were unlucky.
Thats my vision of future gambling to be honest.

Will never work im afraid :)

Kr. Jan
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Of course it will never work. Even when good guys will try to switch to the same style of rewards (challenges, tournaments, raffles, etc - everything what is easy to understand and where it is impossible to cheat player) - there is ALWAYS will be brands who will offer huge deposit bonuses. And people will choose such brands. And while it will raise a lot of problems for such brands - they will still try to do the same.

But example with Swedish license is really interesting - AFAIK - there are no brands currently who accept swedish customers and give them bonuses in past. So:

a) If there will be any (tbh, I believe there is should be few already)
b) What SGA will do to them? Seriously, it will be so SAD to see that there will be no punishment except ISP block, for example.
c) I guess after Sweden we will see more same things from Scandinavian countries.

Interesting times ahead!
 
homerbert said:
c) I guess after Sweden we will see more same things from Scandinavian countries.

Interesting times ahead!
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Shhh Vitali. I like how things are now in Finland from the player's perspective.

Then again, one might say Finland is not one of the Scandinavian countries. Just an odd nordic one between Scandinavia and Russia.
 
It has already happened. In the news today there is a woman who is in treatment for her gambling addiction that listed herself at Spelpaus already the 2nd January.
The day after she tried to open an account at several places and when she found one where it worked she lost around €800 and are now demanding to get that money back.

She could have chosen a casino that didn't have a license but no since then she wouldn't have been able to get the money back. Cynical of me, yes, but it's too common to ignore these days as we saw in this very thread.
I find it interesting that she is in a treatment center but still had the opportunity to gamble, and still wanted to.

I've never in 10 years received so much spam from casinos as I have the last week. Most that are not licensed. I have received no email at all from the casinos where I used to play.
 
Slottery said:
Interesting what i understood with google translator. Casinos under Swedish new license targeting Finnish players with their site in Finnish, Euro as currency and taking payments from Finnish banks. Somebody who speak Swedish can correct me if i got it wrong or add something what i missed.

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It seems so yes. If they have a license somewhere else it's fine I suppose, but if they only have a license in Sweden and targeting other nordic countries they are breaking the law.

It didn't say what casinos it was so I couldn't check.
 
Tirilej said:
It seems so yes. If they have a license somewhere else it's fine I suppose, but if they only have a license in Sweden and targeting other nordic countries they are breaking the law.

It didn't say what casinos it was so I couldn't check.
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Ok, interesting if wanting to target Finnish market and apply only Swedish license. Are there even at least many casinos who only have Swedish license (i know there is link earlier in this topic which is probably updating), must be tough to try make revenue only from there now with these new regulations, MGA license is not that expensive to apply and if you can go through Swedish audit you for sure can comply with MGA demands.
 
I don't think there is any casinos that are doing this when thinking a bit more. Why would they risk losing a license they paid for and just received?
It's simply some journalist who doesn't know anything about the market that are making something up.
Several have nordic names and that can't be a crime :)
 
Quickly scanned and skimmed the article, think the journalist needs to do some research before writing.
As everything that written down, is happening since online gambling is possible :)

Kr.
 
A question for any casino that have a Swedish license. Is one of the requirements really that we need to check our limits each time we log in?

In one place I have to and in another I don't. Who is correct?
 
Tirilej said:
A question for any casino that have a Swedish license. Is one of the requirements really that we need to check our limits each time we log in?

In one place I have to and in another I don't. Who is correct?
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Well, it seems like I do have to see those limits each time I log in. Now they are really doing everything they can to irritate me. It's not like I'm reading anything more than once anyway :rolleyes:

15 § Vid onlinespel enligt 7 och 8 kap. spellagen (2018:1138) ska spelaren vid varje inloggning få tydlig information om licenshavarens spelansvarsåtgärder, spelarens egna begränsningar enligt 14 kap. 7 § spellagen samt spelarens ackumulerade förluster för de senaste tolv månaderna.

It seems like I haven't lost anything in the last 12 months though since I haven't played in sek. That's nice to know :)
 
Tirilej said:
Well, it seems like I do have to see those limits each time I log in. Now they are really doing everything they can to irritate me. It's not like I'm reading anything more than once anyway :rolleyes:

15 § Vid onlinespel enligt 7 och 8 kap. spellagen (2018:1138) ska spelaren vid varje inloggning få tydlig information om licenshavarens spelansvarsåtgärder, spelarens egna begränsningar enligt 14 kap. 7 § spellagen samt spelarens ackumulerade förluster för de senaste tolv månaderna.

It seems like I haven't lost anything in the last 12 months though since I haven't played in sek. That's nice to know :)
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Two weeks has now almost passed and I still don't know of any casino that is 100% compliant. Some have even done nothing, or almost nothing,(Genesis) and some have been caught with doing nothing and has temporarily closed all there sites since yesterday(Aspire Group).

There are some things that needs to be clarified from the Swedish Gambling Commission. One of these things are Tydlig(=clear) information, as mentioned in the law text above in your post. "Clear" is subjective and open for interpretation. What is clear for one person can be unclear to another.
 
Matti said:
Two weeks has now almost passed and I still don't know of any casino that is 100% compliant. Some have even done nothing, or almost nothing,(Genesis) and some have been caught with doing nothing and has temporarily closed all there sites since yesterday(Aspire Group).

There are some things that needs to be clarified from the Swedish Gambling Commission. One of these things are Tydlig(=clear) information, as mentioned in the law text above in your post. "Clear" is subjective and open for interpretation. What is clear for one person can be unclear to another.
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True, for example VS only have a link to some information, but that should be fine since it would be impossible to have it all out there.
I'm not surprised with Aspire or Genesis though. They maybe could stay away:p
 
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Haha, well spotted :)

UKGC should have added it as well.

HyperCasino we will add to production today and although there is quite some work pending. We aim to go live on friday.
 
If anyone wonder how stupid a Swede can be I will tell you. Sadly I can't blame it on me being a woman anymore after Maxd's latest post, but maybe if I tell you I'm blonde:p

I misread the fact that all new accounts on casinos in Sweden should be created with the use of BankID.
I thought we always would have to use that when logging in :oops::oops:

Maybe that can explain some problems I've been having lately with casinos. Never too old to learn. I just wish I was old enough to keep on blaming my age :D
 
It turned out that I wasn't so stupid after all. Most casinos with a Swedish license do ask us to use BankID everytime we log in. Guts and Casumo are two of them.
Very stupid and irritating since i need to use my mobile there too, when they actually easy could let us log in through desktop.
It's good that I don't play that much these days then :)
 
If you register with Bank ID - your password to your account/your bank ID is unknown to the casino.
Therefore you will always need to login with Bank ID as well.
 
L&L-Jan said:
If you register with Bank ID - your password to your account/your bank ID is unknown to the casino.
Therefore you will always need to login with Bank ID as well.
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I haven't registered with BankID at either Guts or Casumo but they changed currency for me. It's still the same details and my old history.
I don't sign up to any new casinos. Yours was an exception ;)
At VS I have the choice of using the log in I want to use.
 
homerbert said:
Hey Tirilej!

There will be a lot of brands AFAIK, we are also in the process of applying for it. And I heard there is already like 70+ online casinos pending applications.

So in short - I believe you will have HUGE choice :)

On the sad note - AFAIK bonuses will be allowed only once per account / per license.

Br,

Vitali
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Hi there, what is AFAIK?
 
All the swedish streamers migrating to Malta like I said they would. Can't afford to play with their own money, they preach to viewers if you cannot afford to gamble
then don't, but don't follow their own advice, they upsticks to be able to afford to play with bonuses, oh the irony.
 
electronictonic said:
All the swedish streamers migrating to Malta like I said they would. Can't afford to play with their own money, they preach to viewers if you cannot afford to gamble
then don't, but don't follow their own advice, they upsticks to be able to afford to play with bonuses, oh the irony.
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Or the reason could be that to be able to entertain the crowd you need a bigger bankroll and then bonuses is a good way of getting that.
It's not only the streamers that would like to migrate to Malta right now. No normal Swedish player wants to have it like it is now. Many games are unplayable with the changes, we don't get the same promotions as others in most places, if we get any at all, and they have removed a lot of what was fun with playing.
So I wouldn't mind moving myself.
 
Tirilej said:
Or the reason could be that to be able to entertain the crowd you need a bigger bankroll and then bonuses is a good way of getting that.
It's not only the streamers that would like to migrate to Malta right now. No normal Swedish player wants to have it like it is now. Many games are unplayable with the changes, we don't get the same promotions as others in most places, if we get any at all, and they have removed a lot of what was fun with playing.
So I wouldn't mind moving myself.
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It's pretty bad for the normal user, but as for streamers I doubt any of them are in it for entertainment, if they want to do entertaiment they should go and join the circus, a few of them are clowns so it would be a good fit.
 
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electronictonic said:
It's pretty bad for the normal user, but as for streamers I doubt any of them are in it for entertainment, if they want to do entertaiment they should go and join the circus, a few of them are clowns so it would be a good fit.
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They are of course doing it for the money, but they are also players of course. No matter what you can't entertain others like it is now so they have to make a change.

I can tell you don't like streamers. I don't care about them and I don't watch them. Maybe you should stop watching them too :)
 
electronictonic said:
All the swedish streamers migrating to Malta like I said they would. Can't afford to play with their own money, they preach to viewers if you cannot afford to gamble
then don't, but don't follow their own advice, they upsticks to be able to afford to play with bonuses, oh the irony.
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Have daddy and letsgiveitaspin moved ?
 
It is indeed sad that we as casinos cannot give out bonuses as usual to our Swedish players. But I also trust that the Swedish government know what they are doing and if it's something bad, they learn something from it and change.

@Tirilej - With the bankID a lot of other things become easier, like KYC (know your customer) documentation. Also the security of your account get better.
We as a casino also have a much better overview when it comes to multiple accounts, fake details etc.

@electronictonic - I guess you would say the same to any Hollywood star that does entertainment for money, off you go to the circus Brad Pitt! :D
 
CasumoLouis said:
It is indeed sad that we as casinos cannot give out bonuses as usual to our Swedish players. But I also trust that the Swedish government know what they are doing and if it's something bad, they learn something from it and change.

@Tirilej - With the bankID a lot of other things become easier, like KYC (know your customer) documentation. Also the security of your account get better.
We as a casino also have a much better overview when it comes to multiple accounts, fake details etc.

@electronictonic - I guess you would say the same to any Hollywood star that does entertainment for money, off you go to the circus Brad Pitt! :D
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Yes it got easier for you but i hate being forced to use my bankID so Casumo doesn't get many visits from me.
You could do like others have and let me at least be able to log in through BankID directly from my computer.

You stopped giving out bonuses a long time ago anyway. I just wish we could get at least something. I've been at Casumo for many years but see no reason at all to visit now. That's sad.
 
CasumoLouis said:
It is indeed sad that we as casinos cannot give out bonuses as usual to our Swedish players. But I also trust that the Swedish government know what they are doing and if it's something bad, they learn something from it and change.

@Tirilej - With the bankID a lot of other things become easier, like KYC (know your customer) documentation. Also the security of your account get better.
We as a casino also have a much better overview when it comes to multiple accounts, fake details etc.

@electronictonic - I guess you would say the same to any Hollywood star that does entertainment for money, off you go to the circus Brad Pitt! :D
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With all due respect to friendly REP of really good casino, there are some questions arise:

If SE guys know what they do...Seriously, you have MGA (most popular license apart from Curacao maybe), OKIE UKGC, and no one did the same thing with bonuses. 3 seconds for a spin? Seriously?

Sorry, I can't find how it's can be called 'know what they do'.

Just my personal opinion more like a player, than casino rep.

Br,

V.
 
homerbert said:
With all due respect to friendly REP of really good casino, there are some questions arise:

If SE guys know what they do...Seriously, you have MGA (most popular license apart from Curacao maybe), OKIE UKGC, and no one did the same thing with bonuses. 3 seconds for a spin? Seriously?

Sorry, I can't find how it's can be called 'know what they do'.

Just my personal opinion more like a player, than casino rep.

Br,

V.
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I have to agree with you there in some ways... but they have been adviced by the professionals about RG issues in Sweden about what is triggering a player. I can agree with them on a lot of that though.
Slower spins isn't always wrong and enticing gamblers with bonuses is more than many can handle. It's difficult to know what is the right thing to do, but of course casinos won't like it either since it's more difficult to compete.
They are also doing it the right way with verification.

What I mostly dislike is that the game providers who have to change the games to suit this market not are doing what they can to still make the games interesting to play. They have just set a time no matter how the games are running and they are destroying it for us all. Both customers, casinos and themselves in the end.
Then all this advertising now is too much. Most Swedes hate casinos now when they didn't before :)
 
@homerbert & @Tirilej

When fighting any kind of addiction, the steps we need to take will always affect those that can personally handle/control the source of the addiction.
An example would be alcohol, in Sweden we have strikt laws and regulations regarding alcohol. Meaning that we have only one store chain that sells alcohol which control opening hours. It can only be bought after the age of 20 in this store (18 in pubs, bars and restaurants because it's an controlled environment). This means that people who can handle alcohol without a problem is restricted to buy alcohol during certain times, which can be annoying if you really want a beer at 20:00 on a Friday in front of the TV and you didn't have the foresight of buying it before, or worked during the open hours of the shop.
But it is at the same time restricting the people who are vulnerable to addiction to not being able to feed into the addiction.

There will always be downsides and upsides and one needs to know that you should always try to see both sides of the coin, not just the bad :)

@Tirilej - I agree with the TV commercials in Sweden, there is too many casino commercials. Maybe that's something that the government should also try to control. Then again most of the channels are not Swedish (just targeted to Sweden) so they cannot really do much I suppose.
 
CasumoLouis said:
@homerbert & @Tirilej

When fighting any kind of addiction, the steps we need to take will always affect those that can personally handle/control the source of the addiction.
An example would be alcohol, in Sweden we have strikt laws and regulations regarding alcohol. Meaning that we have only one store chain that sells alcohol which control opening hours. It can only be bought after the age of 20 in this store (18 in pubs, bars and restaurants because it's an controlled environment). This means that people who can handle alcohol without a problem is restricted to buy alcohol during certain times, which can be annoying if you really want a beer at 20:00 on a Friday in front of the TV and you didn't have the foresight of buying it before, or worked during the open hours of the shop.
But it is at the same time restricting the people who are vulnerable to addiction to not being able to feed into the addiction.

There will always be downsides and upsides and one needs to know that you should always try to see both sides of the coin, not just the bad :)

@Tirilej - I agree with the TV commercials in Sweden, there is too many casino commercials. Maybe that's something that the government should also try to control. Then again most of the channels are not Swedish (just targeted to Sweden) so they cannot really do much I suppose.
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Thanks for letting me know you were Swedish :thumbsup:
 
CasumoLouis said:
It is indeed sad that we as casinos cannot give out bonuses as usual to our Swedish players. But I also trust that the Swedish government know what they are doing and if it's something bad, they learn something from it and change.

@Tirilej - With the bankID a lot of other things become easier, like KYC (know your customer) documentation. Also the security of your account get better.
We as a casino also have a much better overview when it comes to multiple accounts, fake details etc.

@electronictonic - I guess you would say the same to any Hollywood star that does entertainment for money, off you go to the circus Brad Pitt! :D
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To compare a streamer to a actor is utter lunacy.
It’s not comparable at all.
A streamer makes money from other people’s gambling losses and also getting strangers to sign up to gamble and lose money. They act, lie and cheat to make money.
It’s a pretty low and grubby way of making a living.
 
Playford7 said:
To compare a streamer to a actor is utter lunacy.
It’s not comparable at all.
A streamer makes money from other people’s gambling losses and also getting strangers to sign up to gamble and lose money. They act, lie and cheat to make money.
It’s a pretty low and grubby way of making a living.
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I will have to agree to disagree on this one. I guess I'm an utter lunatic for comparing a streamer with an actor, in my eyes they both act to entertain a crowd. And I will leave it at that.
 

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