Statistically Speaking. . . .

[j99352]

In my profile I mentioned that I'm developing a model that consistently wins at blackjack in online casinos. In the process of testing it, I found that of the 11 casinos I tested, only two came up as actually random, and they used different software. One uses WGT and the other uses RTG. WGT is extremely slow in comparison to RTG, so after testing that casino, I avoided WGT casinos afterwards. Speaking of which, BetOnSoft is even slower for blackjack. I also didn't test the casinos that cut me off of my practice session after 10 minutes or those with low payout limits or slow payout times. The one random RTG casino is probably the slowest to pay out of all, which is the reason I had to look for others to play at. So both of these casinos have their drawbacks (in fact, one is "rogued" and the other is "questionable," but the bottom line is that when I tested them using a consistent playing and betting strategy, they came up with identical statistics, performing well above the others. The other casinos use RTG software, and apparently have the ability to make the software non-random in the casino's favor. Of these nine, five are accredited and two are under review, so I'll take a look at the Baptism by Fire link. One of the others isn't listed here and the other hasn't been reviewed yet. So player beware: blackjack can be played profitably w/ RNGs, but probably not if they're using RTG software and they've adjusted it or had it adjusted in their favor.

 

[Borgie]

ha ha ha ha ha ha whoops sorry thought i was in the joke section

 

[Quorol]

Huh?

In my profile I mentioned that I'm developing a model that consistently wins at blackjack in online casinos. In the process of testing it, I found that of the 11 casinos I tested, only two came up as actually random, and they used different software. One uses WGT and the other uses RTG. WGT is extremely slow in comparison to RTG, so after testing that casino, I avoided WGT casinos afterwards. Speaking of which, BetOnSoft is even slower for blackjack. I also didn't test the casinos that cut me off of my practice session after 10 minutes or those with low payout limits or slow payout times. The one random RTG casino is probably the slowest to pay out of all, which is the reason I had to look for others to play at. So both of these casinos have their drawbacks (in fact, one is "rogued" and the other is "questionable," but the bottom line is that when I tested them using a consistent playing and betting strategy, they came up with identical statistics, performing well above the others. The other casinos use RTG software, and apparently have the ability to make the software non-random in the casino's favor. Of these nine, five are accredited and two are under review, so I'll take a look at the Baptism by Fire link. One of the others isn't listed here and the other hasn't been reviewed yet. So player beware: blackjack can be played profitably w/ RNGs, but probably not if they're using RTG software and they've adjusted it or had it adjusted in their favor.

I would think that a two casinos coming up with identical statistics would be the exact opposite of random. Furthermore...If they are truly random,developing a system to " consistently win at blackjack" , especially since there is no real way to count cards on a deck that you don't know when it is being shuffled, or if it is in fact shuffled each hand, is nonsense. The only way you could develop a system to consistently win is if you discovered a non-random casino and detected a pattern on how that casino is cheating customers and a way to exploit it.

I wouldn't really be interested in taking advice from someone who is recommending a system that is either useless or an exploit of someone else's attempt to rip me off since if they are already trying to cheat me, I think they would easily come up with a way to invalidate my withdrawl...Welcome to the forum anyway.

 

[vinylweatherman]

Cipher?

Surely not.

He also had a sure fire Blackjack system, supposedly made a fortune, then opened it up for "investors", who ended up getting royally scammed because, as expected, the system did NOT work over the long term.

If the stats show the casinos to offer random Blackjack, forget them, the system cannot work unless their Blackjack is over 100% RTP.

Of the non random casinos, you then have to check whether the software is adaptive, and designed to counteract any system or strategy ( a casino with cheating software is more likely to have made it adaptive in some way in order to avoid the small risk of a player figuring out the nature of the non randomness, and then beating it with a system).

Unless you can count cards, no system is going to work online unless you find a casino naïve enough to use a virtual shoe with significant penetration before a shuffle. If you DO find such a casino, it is probably using cheating software anyway (Lucky Chance - Gaming Mastery software).

 

[mathsboy1975]

In my profile I mentioned that I'm developing a model that consistently wins at blackjack in online casinos. In the process of testing it, I found that of the 11 casinos I tested, only two came up as actually random, and they used different software.

What exactly do you mean by this? Are you referring to the probabilities of each card appearing during play? If so that is quite a claim to make - how have you tested this and over how many samples? I cannot imagine for a minute that casinos would utilise any software that allowed the application of card counting to give players an edge. I thought that most software either performed a full deck reshuffle or utilised multi-deck shoes with a penetration that negated any card counting edge that you might find. Without that edge blackjack is not ever going to yield a profitable strategy.

 

[dunover]

You cannot possibly come up with a bot that wins at 98% RTP blackjack on a long term basis.
All I would suggest is that you have automated the perfect play strategy according to the cards presented on each deal, that are visible on the table and which computes the most likely outcome.
You have no idea how many decks are in the programmed shoe, or how often they are 'shuffled'. With online blackjack the potential of having hundreds of packs in the shoe plus random auto shuffling of the shoe means that card counting or perfect player strategy accounts for little compared to that in a land casino.
Having said that, due to the paragraph above many people notice that online BJ is a different beast to land BJ and indeed it is possible for you to notice differences in between BJ software. And yes, IF a casino was going to run adaptive games BJ would be an ideal game with which to execute it, as they can always hide behind the amount of decks in the shoe and shuffling sequences to explain nonsense sequences.
Nevertheless, if we are to believe the OP we need to see stats, many of them and other firm evidence. Because you haven't succeeded in beating them doesn't mean they are 'bent'. In fact if you haven't beaten them, it would suggest the opposite.

So, let's see the evidence, or a foil hat will be awarded - I have many spare.

 

[bvu2011]

In my profile I mentioned that I'm developing a model that consistently wins at blackjack in online casinos. In the process of testing it, I found that of the 11 casinos I tested, only two came up as actually random, and they used different software. One uses WGT and the other uses RTG. WGT is extremely slow in comparison to RTG, so after testing that casino, I avoided WGT casinos afterwards. Speaking of which, BetOnSoft is even slower for blackjack. I also didn't test the casinos that cut me off of my practice session after 10 minutes or those with low payout limits or slow payout times. The one random RTG casino is probably the slowest to pay out of all, which is the reason I had to look for others to play at. So both of these casinos have their drawbacks (in fact, one is "rogued" and the other is "questionable," but the bottom line is that when I tested them using a consistent playing and betting strategy, they came up with identical statistics, performing well above the others. The other casinos use RTG software, and apparently have the ability to make the software non-random in the casino's favor. Of these nine, five are accredited and two are under review, so I'll take a look at the Baptism by Fire link. One of the others isn't listed here and the other hasn't been reviewed yet. So player beware: blackjack can be played profitably w/ RNGs, but probably not if they're using RTG software and they've adjusted it or had it adjusted in their favor.

yes, proof would be nice. I will not condemn your post because I am objective and believe anything is possible in this world, even if its just for a moment of profit LOL

 

[Nifty29]

In my profile I mentioned that I'm developing a model that consistently wins at blackjack in online casinos. In the process of testing it, I found that of the 11 casinos I tested, only two came up as actually random, and they used different software. One uses WGT and the other uses RTG. WGT is extremely slow in comparison to RTG, so after testing that casino, I avoided WGT casinos afterwards. Speaking of which, BetOnSoft is even slower for blackjack. I also didn't test the casinos that cut me off of my practice session after 10 minutes or those with low payout limits or slow payout times. The one random RTG casino is probably the slowest to pay out of all, which is the reason I had to look for others to play at. So both of these casinos have their drawbacks (in fact, one is "rogued" and the other is "questionable," but the bottom line is that when I tested them using a consistent playing and betting strategy, they came up with identical statistics, performing well above the others. The other casinos use RTG software, and apparently have the ability to make the software non-random in the casino's favor. Of these nine, five are accredited and two are under review, so I'll take a look at the Baptism by Fire link. One of the others isn't listed here and the other hasn't been reviewed yet. So player beware: blackjack can be played profitably w/ RNGs, but probably not if they're using RTG software and they've adjusted it or had it adjusted in their favor.

Well I guess it's been a while since we had one hey guys

So how exactly did you "test" for "randomness"? Can't wait for this one.

You CANNOT win over the long term on a 98% game (without extremely generous +EV bonuses)

 

[skiny]

In my profile I mentioned that I'm developing a model that consistently wins at blackjack in online casinos. In the process of testing it, I found that of the 11 casinos I tested, only two came up as actually random, and they used different software. One uses WGT and the other uses RTG. WGT is extremely slow in comparison to RTG, so after testing that casino, I avoided WGT casinos afterwards. Speaking of which, BetOnSoft is even slower for blackjack. I also didn't test the casinos that cut me off of my practice session after 10 minutes or those with low payout limits or slow payout times. The one random RTG casino is probably the slowest to pay out of all, which is the reason I had to look for others to play at. So both of these casinos have their drawbacks (in fact, one is "rogued" and the other is "questionable," but the bottom line is that when I tested them using a consistent playing and betting strategy, they came up with identical statistics, performing well above the others. The other casinos use RTG software, and apparently have the ability to make the software non-random in the casino's favor. Of these nine, five are accredited and two are under review, so I'll take a look at the Baptism by Fire link. One of the others isn't listed here and the other hasn't been reviewed yet.

How many hands were played for each test? What constitutes random? These are all pretty vague statements.

So player beware: blackjack can be played profitably w/ RNGs, but probably not if they're using RTG software and they've adjusted it or had it adjusted in their favor.

So you're saying it's possible to win but not if they're cheating.... Thanks.

 

[catapultaudio]

You have no idea how many decks are in the programmed shoe, or how often they are 'shuffled'. With online blackjack the potential of having hundreds of packs in the shoe plus random auto shuffling of the shoe means that card counting or perfect player strategy accounts for little compared to that in a land casino.

In my experience every on-line casino blackjack game tells you exactly how many decks are used, and that the cards are shuffled after every hand ??? Unless you are referring to live dealer blackjack? The guy hasn't mentioned counting whatsoever, I think he is implying as somebody said, that he believes he has discovered a non-random pattern in certain softwares games, but I would bet my last dollar that this pattern will fail with a bunch more trials - however many hands he has played, it's almost certainly nowhere near enough. Remember, the long term is VERY long with blackjack...

 

[bvu2011]

You cannot possibly come up with a bot that wins at 98% RTP blackjack on a long term basis.
All I would suggest is that you have automated the perfect play strategy according to the cards presented on each deal, that are visible on the table and which computes the most likely outcome.
You have no idea how many decks are in the programmed shoe, or how often they are 'shuffled'. With online blackjack the potential of having hundreds of packs in the shoe plus random auto shuffling of the shoe means that card counting or perfect player strategy accounts for little compared to that in a land casino.
Having said that, due to the paragraph above many people notice that online BJ is a different beast to land BJ and indeed it is possible for you to notice differences in between BJ software. And yes, IF a casino was going to run adaptive games BJ would be an ideal game with which to execute it, as they can always hide behind the amount of decks in the shoe and shuffling sequences to explain nonsense sequences.
Nevertheless, if we are to believe the OP we need to see stats, many of them and other firm evidence. Because you haven't succeeded in beating them doesn't mean they are 'bent'. In fact if you haven't beaten them, it would suggest the opposite.

So, let's see the evidence, or a foil hat will be awarded - I have many spare.

(with regard to the bold above) Even more of a reason to stay away...why would people play bj if the above were true? And if it is true what a rip lol

 

[dunover]

(with regard to the bold above) Even more of a reason to stay away...why would people play bj if the above were true? And if it is true what a rip lol

Why? Because the online version would have the same TRTP of a land casino's BJ. They are getting the same game theoretically. You can only call it a 'rip-off' if somehow the casino software is offering a reduced TRTP which is less than a land based game. In fact, as many on here are aware, many online casinos offer BJ or other versions of it at a very HIGH TRTP in excess of 98% which is partly why they are excluded from bonus WR.
I see your point in that a sizeable shoe will produce inevitably pronounced streaks of poor and good play which would differ from short runs you would experience in the land game. So, yes, card counting would be quite ineffective on the online game and no doubt that is quite deliberate on the software side. The online game due to the bigger card shoes plays more like a 'slot' with noticeable streaks. That seems to be the way players like it. Don't forget you also get faster hands on the online game and more turnaround.

 

[bvu2011]

Why? Because the online version would have the same TRTP of a land casino's BJ. They are getting the same game theoretically. You can only call it a 'rip-off' if somehow the casino software is offering a reduced TRTP which is less than a land based game. In fact, as many on here are aware, many online casinos offer BJ or other versions of it at a very HIGH TRTP in excess of 98% which is partly why they are excluded from bonus WR.
I see your point in that a sizeable shoe will produce inevitably pronounced streaks of poor and good play which would differ from short runs you would experience in the land game. So, yes, card counting would be quite ineffective on the online game and no doubt that is quite deliberate on the software side. The online game due to the bigger card shoes plays more like a 'slot' with noticeable streaks. That seems to be the way players like it. Don't forget you also get faster hands on the online game and more turnaround.

I have found by playing blackjack in online tournaments against a dealer (bot), is a rip. It would never make me want to invest my money in real blackjack play either online or land. I mean when I split a pair of K's and they each get paired with 10's for 20 each and the dealer gets a J, 9, and 2 - I find that to be a bit obvious LOL...Moreover, when it is has been repetitive for two years when you get a a 10, 8 and the dealer gets a 10 9 LOL I find that to be quite entertaining and can always premeditate the loss of my game; hence, I do not think I have won ONE online blackjack tournament in the last two years I have been playing at an online casino, not one.

 

[Quorol]

I have found by playing blackjack in online tournaments against a dealer (bot), is a rip. It would never make me want to invest my money in real blackjack play either online or land. I mean when I split a pair of K's and they each get paired with 10's for 20 each and the dealer gets a J, 9, and 2 - I find that to be a bit obvious LOL...Moreover, when it is has been repetitive for two years when you get a a 10, 8 and the dealer gets a 10 9 LOL I find that to be quite entertaining and can always premeditate the loss of my game; hence, I do not think I have won ONE online blackjack tournament in the last two years I have been playing at an online casino, not one.

You really split tens when you play? Seriously?

 

[bvu2011]

You really split tens when you play? Seriously?

I have, and the very reason I used it as an example - because REALLY/Seriously, I ended up with two pairs of 20 and the dealer ended up with 21? And because of the experience so to speak, tried it a couple of times and it happened more than once. I have also not split 10's and received same results so....

I guess that is how it is determined whether the player wins or loses in tournament play. You would think it would be a bit more random than being obvious, but again, its virtual cards so I guess the obvious should not be in question.

 

[PlayHippo]

I have, and the very reason I used it as an example - because REALLY, I ended up with two pairs of 20 and the dealer ended up with 21?

The problem with this is that even though it is fun to split when you get 20 and end up with two more hands of 20 vs a dealers 1-9 - it is still a losing game in the long run.

Well any casino game is a losing game in the long run. Best way to be "sure" of wining in BJ is place one big bet - if you win - never play again. If you lose -never play again and you are a sure long term winner with just that one big bet as a loss

Wish I could follow my own advice - but counting in how fun I think BJ is when having a good run offline - a few drinks on the house and just chilling it is just fun to play.

 

[bigjohn]

Careful

In my profile I mentioned that I'm developing a model that consistently wins at blackjack in online casinos. In the process of testing it, I found that of the 11 casinos I tested, only two came up as actually random, and they used different software. One uses WGT and the other uses RTG. WGT is extremely slow in comparison to RTG, so after testing that casino, I avoided WGT casinos afterwards. Speaking of which, BetOnSoft is even slower for blackjack. I also didn't test the casinos that cut me off of my practice session after 10 minutes or those with low payout limits or slow payout times. The one random RTG casino is probably the slowest to pay out of all, which is the reason I had to look for others to play at. So both of these casinos have their drawbacks (in fact, one is "rogued" and the other is "questionable," but the bottom line is that when I tested them using a consistent playing and betting strategy, they came up with identical statistics, performing well above the others. The other casinos use RTG software, and apparently have the ability to make the software non-random in the casino's favor. Of these nine, five are accredited and two are under review, so I'll take a look at the Baptism by Fire link. One of the others isn't listed here and the other hasn't been reviewed yet. So player beware: blackjack can be played profitably w/ RNGs, but probably not if they're using RTG software and they've adjusted it or had it adjusted in their favor.

You don't want to try to attract 'investors' or sell your system here.

You might want to read https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/help/forum-rules/.

Particularly section 1.16 - Gambling Systems. For some reason, there are people who believe that the membership consists of morons. The members may be a lot of things, but stupid they ain't. If you attempt to sell a gambling "system", you will be publicly ridiculed and harassed until we're bored with you. You'll then be banished to Never Land where you can play with Tinker Bell and all the magical fairies. You'll be a happier person there.