Slots Fairness Discussion (Cut from Other Thread)

[trancemonkey]

I dont believe it, untill i see it.

It's really odd. For the games that never did a damn thing in their life and all of a sudden showing their best. Multiple games, but never allowed me to pass 1400. It's like you hit a wall, a limit, a predetermined something. A loss compensator for the bad days you had in a row. It's like the moment you start playing already it's decided for you.

For the people who believe now that losing gets you compensated; dont.

You realise random games do that exact thing.. randomly... right?

 

[Bloatgoat]

You know, it really sounds like a sugarstory, but i think my players ID has todo something along with it. This cant be that random, that all of a sudden, up to 4 games, booted me back forth to 1400.

It's not the first time i've experienced this, and this seems to happen among other online casino's as well. I know you develop standalone games. How do you feel about serversided gaming?

Is'nt this a touch OF serversided gaming what i am experiencing?

 

[luck17]

I dont believe it, untill i see it.

It's really odd. For the games that never did a damn thing in their life and all of a sudden showing their best. Multiple games, but never allowed me to pass 1400. It's like you hit a wall, a limit, a predetermined something. A loss compensator for the bad days you had in a row. It's like the moment you start playing already it's decided for you.

For the people who believe now that losing gets you compensated; dont.

I agree with what you are saying, like there is a cap put on the amount you can win. I have had the same thing happen as well, for example I build balance up to $500 get down to even $20...but then have a miracle bonus or free spins and back up I go to $500.....only to have the same type of thing happen 3 or 4 times in a row.

 

[Bloatgoat]

I agree with what you are saying, like there is a cap put on the amount you can win. I have had the same thing happen as well, for example I build balance up to $500 get down to even $20...but then have a miracle bonus or free spins and back up I go to $500.....only to have the same type of thing happen 3 or 4 times in a row.

Thank you for adding your comment on this one. This behaviour is exactly what i mean. I dont believe this has anything todo with RTP but perhaps some server sided 'reward' program or something to compensate you for losses made in the last period.

Dont be fooled; casino's want you to keep returning. Why not a 'touch' from above and keep you happy?

 

[goatwack]

There is nothing worse than going from a high starting balance all the way down, getting a recovery hit to take you back, only to then lose it all again. That's even worse than just losing from the beginning

 

[Jono777]

There is nothing worse than going from a high starting balance all the way down, getting a recovery hit to take you back, only to then lose it all again. That's even worse than just losing from the beginning

Yet this happens so often

Guess that's random at it random finest!

 

[goatwack]

Yet this happens so often

Guess that's random at it random finest!

We try not to use that word in this thread

 

[paul7388]

Think i will come back to this thread once it reaches page 100 to see if anything different was ever posted

 

[paul7388]

Think i will come back to this thread once it reaches page 100 to see if anything different was ever posted

Just realized that looks like a random sort of post lol

 

[Bloatgoat]

You can count on it people always hijacking threads over here.

 

[Jono777]

Randomly hijacked though, with so many threads to choose from

 

[goatwack]

Yes, this thread is like my partner nagging me over something repetitively, I say "not a chance in hell dearie" 99 times, by about the 100th attempt I'll agree just for an easy life.

Thusly, I expect everyone to proclaim in unison come page 100, that slots are definitely not rigged.

Too much

 

[Bloatgoat]

Ok we can work this out untill page 100 by the end of the year... No big deal. We'll find something to hammer on believing it's not real, right?

I agree with what you are saying, like there is a cap put on the amount you can win. I have had the same thing happen as well, for example I build balance up to $500 get down to even $20...but then have a miracle bonus or free spins and back up I go to $500.....only to have the same type of thing happen 3 or 4 times in a row.

Thank you for adding your comment on this one. This behaviour is exactly what i mean. I dont believe this has anything todo with RTP but perhaps some server sided 'reward' program or something to compensate you for losses made in the last period.

Dont be fooled; casino's want you to keep returning. Why not a 'touch' from above and keep you happy?

 

[paul7388]

Yes, this thread is like my partner nagging me over something repetitively, I say "not a chance in hell dearie" 99 times, by about the 100th attempt I'll agree just for an easy life.

Thusly, I expect everyone to proclaim in unison come page 100, that slots are definitely not rigged.

Too much

See that's the problem. Very soon we will all be worn down and will be agreeing all slots ARE rigged. It's all fixed i Tell Ya

 

[goatwack]

We should have a poll.

'What is your favourite Rigged thread of all time?'

 

[paul7388]

We should have a poll.

'What is your favourite Rigged thread of all time?'

Sorry i won't take part in your poll. Be okay if it was a Random poll but i just know you will have Rigged it

 

[goatwack]

I have a better poll than that, even.

Which word do members prefer: Rigged or Random?

 

[Bloatgoat]

Difficult. Both answers are predetermined. There is no randomness about it.

 

[trancemonkey]

Slots are rigged.
I actually spent all day today rigging my next game to recognise Bloatgoats user ID and make sure he never wins more than 10x his initial starting balance.
Unless he plays naked (we have cameras in the games too now btw)

 

[goatwack]

Slots are rigged.
I actually spent all day today rigging my next game to recognise Bloatgoats user ID and make sure he never wins more than 10x his initial starting balance.
Unless he plays naked (we have cameras in the games too now btw)

Took 969 posts, but we got there guys.

We did it

 

[interlog]

Took 969 posts, but we got there guys.

We did it

What, what.... you mean that slots are rigged or that they have cameras? Or both perhaps

 

[goatwack]

What, what.... you mean that slots are rigged or that they have cameras? Or both perhaps

I've been championing the use of covert cameras tracking slot players for years. So definitely that

 

[Bloatgoat]

Slots are rigged.
I actually spent all day today rigging my next game to recognise Bloatgoats user ID and make sure he never wins more than 10x his initial starting balance.
Unless he plays naked (we have cameras in the games too now btw)

I have a Slots VPN installed. Good luck.

 

[snorky510238]

I know its not slots but damn i lost some hair last night.
People literally playing a game of bingo at poker.
6x in bloody poker i get the money all in on a flop twice @ 4/1 , twice around 10/1 and twice around 20/1 favourite and it came running cards four outa six times and the other 2 just lost to something slightly less pathetic.
I swear all you gotta do online is re raise someone preflop by a massive amount with absolute trash, and go all in on the flop with that 92 or q5 suited crap that has completely missed, get called, and it will come 99 or running clubs to hit a backdoor flush on turn and river lol almost like clockwork.
Made good money over the years, but if i could win even just 50% of the time when bloody 10/1 favourite or better as the money goes in id be damn rich, and that still applies if forgetting the money itself and just counting all the keyboards that i didn't keep having to replace.

I used to play online poker and I have always played live poker.Yes the same things happen live but not with anywhere near the same frequency as online.As far as I am concerned online poker is "action rigged".There were just to many instances that occurred that would not happen live.

 

[dionysus]

What, what.... you mean that slots are rigged or that they have cameras? Or both perhaps

considering im single and the tabs ive open while playing slots, i shudder to think whats online relating to me if theres cameras.....but hey, goat will have have something to add to the pornhub thread

 

[Bloatgoat]

I used to play online poker and I have always played live poker.Yes the same things happen live but not with anywhere near the same frequency as online.As far as I am concerned online poker is "action rigged".There were just to many instances that occurred that would not happen live.

I think they defenitly imply some sort of AI that encourages you and other players to play even more.

It's really funny how some legitimate questions here are being overrunned.

 

[Tourettesguy]

Whne this thread reach 100 pages Dino and Monky aggrees slots are rigged and not always random

Online poker too..

 

[dionysus]

why bother? There'll be another 100 pages of the same ol trotted out malarkey
(heck maybe 200 and youll learn to spell 'Dion' )

 

[Tourettesguy]

heck maybe 200 and youll learn to spell 'Dion' )

To me you are Danonino...which is Dino shortened...

 

[dionysus]

300 then

 

[TheAddict]

I used to play online poker and I have always played live poker.Yes the same things happen live but not with anywhere near the same frequency as online.As far as I am concerned online poker is "action rigged".There were just to many instances that occurred that would not happen live.

One situation i always used to go nuts over was when you get , as i think i described in previous post somewhat..

You get re raised pre by an amount you are never folding to with a decent hand by a noob who is noticably doing it with almost any 2.
Its like you are effing doomed the moment they re raise and build the pot pre by raising you. If it now results in them pushing all in on the flop, depite you having improved your hand further and are a huge fav... while at the same time they have made nothing and require runner runner or a 2 or 3 outer to come to take a huge pot.
Then Well, push your chips over to him say goodbye to that stack before the river even comes and hover that cursor over the reload button in preperation for the next time youll hand it over to someone making a very similar play lol

 

[slotmaster]

Well have we answered the question of is it rigged yet?

 

[dionysus]

Well have we answered the question of is it rigged yet?

flogged it like a dead horse

 

[goatwack]

This thread seems kinda rigged. I never seem to get the answers I want!

 

[dionysus]

This thread seems kinda rigged. I never seem to get the answers I want!

most days, every casino, around 5pm and turnips

 

[goatwack]

most days, every casino, around 5pm and turnips

That's some pretty random words there Dionysus. You sure you're not a shill?

 

[dionysus]

That's some pretty random words there Dionysus. You sure you're not a shill?

for the great price of a $500 deposit with 4 free spins with an 80x WR ill tell ya

 

[snorky510238]

One situation i always used to go nuts over was when you get , as i think i described in previous post somewhat..

You get re raised pre by an amount you are never folding to with a decent hand by a noob who is noticably doing it with almost any 2.
Its like you are effing doomed the moment they re raise and build the pot pre by raising you. If it now results in them pushing all in on the flop, depite you having improved your hand further and are a huge fav... while at the same time they have made nothing and require runner runner or a 2 or 3 outer to come to take a huge pot.
Then Well, push your chips over to him say goodbye to that stack before the river even comes and hover that cursor over the reload button in preperation for the next time youll hand it over to someone making a very similar play lol

Yeah I haven't played for about 3 years online for that reason.can't have it at any price.When you see Quads beat quads four times in 1 day you know somethings wrong.

 

[nikantw]

Of course you find these games in landbased... don't forget we do games for many many markets. Fruit games (simple games like Shamrock Lock) do brilliantly in some markets. For example in Greece, Super Hot Fruits is the top game by a mile in all the Play Stores and Gaming Halls.

Simple games like that also do well in the UK, Scandinavia, Latam, South Africa, etc... You know your market and yes I agree it wouldn't work there.

So when I'm doing games I do the games based on the market... if I'm doing fruit games like SL or SHF then of course the quality is different to a full blown slot game. If I'm doing games for Vegas then the quality is obviojksly much much higher. Its about tailoring the game for the target market.

I wouldn't play Super Hot Fruits but then I'm not the target player...

Come to ICE and I'll show you the games I've done for Vegas and the ones I've done for fruit markets/VLT markets. There is a big difference!

I looked it up and I have a question:
What is the TRTP? I see Version R79 / HGCVLTG00353-00 RTP 92.00% - 99.35% and an older Version R69 / HGCVLTG-00304-0 RTP 92.00% - 98.10%. Found the info in the Operators Manual of Play Store Games.
When I look the online version it says 94%, that I believe. If I have to guess I would bet it is popular in Greece because they are lying about the TRTP, they say up to 99.35% meaning the RTP of the feature (which online is 100%).

Do you know what is the real TRTP of Version R79 / HGCVLTG00353-00? I find it pretty hard to believe it is 99.35% when online it is only 94%.

 

[Bloatgoat]

Theoretical return to player, it's a different value then return to player in general. It's like on avg or a simple session on a game specific. You cant always hit the desired RTP you want, so they work & program TRTP's to keep the game 'entertaining'.

But with such options dev's could select in between, it's still very hard to believe for me that online would offer a higher RTP compared to landbased. Online can advertise with 96% and have a lower TRTP, so in general the REAL RTP would be like 80% or so. Or even lower.

 

[dionysus]

Theoretical return to player, it's a different value then return to player in general. It's like on avg or a simple session on a game specific. You cant always hit the desired RTP you want, so they work & program TRTP's to keep the game 'entertaining'.

But with such options dev's could select in between, it's still very hard to believe for me that online would offer a higher RTP compared to landbased. Online can advertise with 96% and have a lower TRTP, so in general the REAL RTP would be like 80% or so. Or even lower.

But online doesnt have near the overhead of a B and M like staff, hydro, and the general bills associated with physical buildings,the limitations of traffic by proximity nor the worries of providing physical comps like food, hotels, theatre etc.
But also because online doesnt offer those perks like food, hotels and theatre they have to offer something to entice players to play from their homes such as a better rtp

 

[Bloatgoat]

But online doesnt have near the overhead of a B and M like staff, hydro, and the general bills associated with physical buildings,the limitations of traffic by proximity nor the worries of providing physical comps like food, hotels, theatre etc.

You are talking nonsense, like the overhead for a online casino would be lower compared to landbased. There are just as much costs for licencing, server hardware, the people and support behind it, the live play and buildings in where this takes place and what more that comes around. Streaming is expensive, please go out and do your own calculations. With slots i see a more loss vs win ratio then i would be having at landbased. If you dont believe me try for yourself.

It's just one of those myth's where people would believe online would be better. Please, stop talking about things you just guessed rather then based on facts, thank you very much.

But also because online doesnt offer those perks like food, hotels and theatre they have to offer something to entice players to play from their homes such as a better rtp

Clearly you are not a VIP and your talking again nonsense. The VIP program of any online casino actually offers you day outs or whatever they could do for you behind their desk. Just ask. I am a VIP online (or was actually) and they tend to have some sort of same program. You are talking about a model from USA where the gambling is much more common then here in Europe / UK. There is no such thing as a free hotel overnight coming from the casino over here. But they could if you where a VIP and you'd ask them.

But ofcourse, you never where a VIP and you have no clue about what you are talking. You seem to skip to the fact that slots are the number one profit for ANY casino. And from my experience, with all the numbers they could throw at us players, their winning chance still sucks. It's lower compared to landbased. Have a nice day.

 

[dionysus]

loatgoat, post: You are talking nonsense, like the overhead for a online casino would be lower compared to landbased. There are just as much costs for licencing, server hardware, the people and support behind it, the live play and buildings in where this takes place and what more that comes around. Streaming is expensive, please go out and do your own calculations. With slots i see a more loss vs win ratio then i would be having at landbased. If you dont believe me try for yourself.

I have thanks. Well done on your B and M success - you need only view the forum youre a member of to see that hardly always applies.
If you also think the employee count is anything remotely akin to a B and M you should visit some online offices.

It's just one of those myth's where people would believe online would be better. Please, stop talking about things you just guessed rather then based on facts, thank you very much.

It isnt a myth - you need only look at the rtp of many B and Ms vs online. Simples. Or again, read more than your cherry picked posts

Clearly you are not a VIP and your talking again nonsense. The VIP program of any online casino actually offers you day outs or whatever they could do for you behind their desk. Just ask. I am a VIP online (or was actually) and they tend to have some sort of same program. You are talking about a model from USA where the gambling is much more common then here in Europe / UK. There is no such thing as a free hotel overnight coming from the casino over here. But they could if you where a VIP and you'd ask them.

I never mentioned VIPS. If you think the majority of players are VIPS and are recieiving gifts hand over fist youre incredibly out of touch. Also I'm not speaking about the US - beleieve it or not there's more out there than your own backyard.

But ofcourse, you never where a VIP and you have no clue about what you are talking.

I never said I was a VIP

 

[Bloatgoat]

"But also because online doesnt offer those perks like food, hotels and theatre they have to offer something to entice players to play from their homes such as a better rtp"

Yeah you really think the RTP went up just because of that? You have half a clue of what you are talking about. Blabla your just guessing. The RTP is higher in number in the first place since there is no machine involved. It's just a program coming straight from the gameprovider. So you wont need any real physical maintaince. It's why you see more and more "multi-machines" in landbased packing more then just one games to offer as much as possible for their players. The higher RTP could be because of no machine is no longer involved, but distributed onto a cloud sollution. At the end of the day the RNG is still running on X86 hardware so any server would basicly do. But because RTP does not state all, i could design a game myself, offer you and others a 99% RTP, and still take your money due to several other tricks suchs as TRTP or extend my 99% rtp over 10 years maybe. You still would'nt have no clue on what was going on. You are full of shit, i've seen you post nummerous time going offtopic and like if your opinion adds anything then just guessing around.

You state your info on what you've seen but you where'nt a VIP in the first place. How would you know that to keep VIP players happy the RTP goes up? Lol. That's the biggest bullshit i've heard man. To keep VIP's happy they offer a program, and that could be free play money, a day off to some concert or perhaps theater if you like, they have a 'online budget' and they could pay for it for you. That's all there is to it. A hotel + casino means that they proberly work together and benefit from both you staying longer into the casino with the odds you spending your money greater. So please educate yourself before coming in here stating your humble opinion lol. Nobody wants it. Thanks.

 

[dionysus]

again, cheery picking your points. I never maintained I was a VIP nor proferred opinions regarding VIP.
It's saddening you keep having to have a go at the cost of civility. Added , your apparent grand success at b and ms im surprised you find the time here when you could be out making the fortunes you claim instead of being on your epic 'it's rigged' tirades.
As to my 'opinions' theyre also met with the experience of having been here and contributing and listening for over a decade intermixed with where and what I've done in various fileds and the willingness to hear other players and members, managers, reps and owners and not disregarding every point out of hand because they dont mesh with my beleifs.

 

[Bloatgoat]

Yeah well you have the right to believe what you want, even if you state that the RTP is higher and that the chances of winning in the first place would be better. You base this information on something that's sitting in your mind for years, and believe that landbased have more expenses then online. I disagree with you and i gave you some info to that claim which sounds more reasonable then, without any proof, that a online casino has to turn their RTP up with a secret button for just their VIP players. That online would have less costs then landbased and thus we all win more. Who are you kidding man? Online is lucrative, and the time you on avg spend online is just WAYYYY longer to hit a jackpot compared to landbased. I got a jackpot within the first 3 spins. I cant recall having a jackpot online within the 3 first spins, ever. And that is based on my own experience.

Have a good day.

 

[dionysus]

Except for the inconveneient problem it isnt an opinion but fact that the rtp is higher online than many B and Ms - it isnt a belief system, it's a published , available, matter of fact.
It doesnt come down to something set in my mind but using available information and knowing and trusting individuals in the field.
I never mentioned anyone turning up the rtp for VIP so where from the ether you got that, I've no clue frankly.
I ener said we win more because of costs but that the odds are indeed better than some b and ms..it just is.
And merely because you claim to magically hit jackpots lickety split at brick and mortars, clearly by posts and member experiences here - because other players hit those b and ms - it simply isnt the norm.
And again, regular ol' players simply dont get buffets and holiday and hotel stays and concert tickets playing online to the degree available at a brick and mortar - they just dont. Kudos on your limited personal experience - it simply doesnt apply across the board, or even generally.

 

[Bloatgoat]

It's only 3 to 4% higher then landbased. But as i wrote i could design a game with 99% RTP and still screw you over where the TRTP is much lower. So you see, you are one of the fools hopefully believing that a higher RTP means a better chance. Well it's not. You could simply win on a 85% RTP machine or 70% machine for that matter as well, and still hit a jackpot. It's just that the machine takes a percentage of all the money that goes in.

It's a given the longer you play the more you will lose. So how do they hook you up into a game? Make the TRTP extreme long for instance, you have to 'wager' a certain amount of money first before it starts to hit. And you want to leave the place with profit, so they keep you within your own deposit, and eventually lose it all, because you got fooled into thinking i can get my money back since it 'hitted' right before you hit zero. Nobody is going to deposit a 100 and withdrawl 101 after a session. You do? it's a waste of time if you ask me. You see my experience in a landbased is when i am playing big, it will hit in less then a few spins or not. That is the great trick there is to. Dont play for max bet that starts from 50 up to 100, almost nobody plays in such volume. So you'll be wasting money faster then you can win in the end.

So here's my theory on a few things online (and perhaps myth's that could finally be put to rest)

- You session on slots does not add up world wide. Your playing local against other players who happend to play the same game.
- You dont win better online, actually, my experience is WORSE compared to landbased. Yes there are momentums when you win you could win big based on the bet, but i never personally exceeded a 12.000 euro on online slots. From there it looks like your flagged and down you go. On landbased my best win was 8500 and best day was 17.000 euro CASH in my hands.
- It's not true that the online facility for casino's is cheaper vs landbased. You misbelieve that a online casino would have no costs. Any idea how much streaming costs for 24/7 view in poker, roulette or blackjack rooms? And the people who are working over there? Any idea what maintaince on server costs and proberly SLA's being involved? So who do you call when your casino site is being DDOS'ed by competition? Getting someone over ther is'nt coming for 13 euro an hour. More like 150 an hour to solve any problems directly on the floor. What about transaction costs on every deposit & withdrawl? Oh yeah. And the contracts such a casino has ?
- They have the ability to give a wave of luck, sort of speaking give you a big win after some serious losses. It does'nt take a VIP status for that to encounter. If you dont believe me, watch the video i've posted earlyer. It's right there. They work their way around the "current" set of rules such as VW was doing with their Diesel gate. German casino's and their slots do the very same!
- VIP status does'nt come easy. You have to spend alot of money playing before you get it. And if you have it, yes, they have a budget to send you to your favourite concert or even holliday if it's within your spending pattern.
- You dont win better when being VIP. as a matter of fact the VIP's are the ones where they are actually feeding from, ANY casino in the world. Being important comes with a price, lol. They dont hand you money over for free, except for free playing money, but that's something i have'nt seen on online casino's.
- They all say all slots are genuine and with RNG. But they dont tell you the math behind the RNG which is programmed in several ways, to MAINTAIN the expected RTP. You cant beat that. Nobody can. Slots are no longer mechinical but digital. And digital is pretty much close to being perfect if the right algorithm is applied.

 

[dionysus]

Bloatgoat, post: 897363, member: 46265"]It's only 3 to 4% higher then landbased. (ya, um, so it's higher, ty) But as i wrote i could design a game with 99% RTP and still screw you over where the TRTP is much lower. So you see, you are one of the fools hopefully believing that a higher RTP means a better chance. Well it's not. You could simply win on a 85% RTP machine or 70% machine for that matter as well, and still hit a jackpot. It's just that the machine takes a percentage of all the money that goes in. lmao of course its a better chance - theres a better return to player. Sure, I COULD hit on a 70 or 80 - youd rather 94% slots than 98%?

It's a given the longer you play the more you will lose. So how do they hook you up into a game? Make the TRTP extreme long for instance, you have to 'wager' a certain amount of money first before it starts to hit. (ya, no you don't each spin is irrespctive of the previous) And you want to leave the place with profit, so they keep you within your own deposit, and eventually lose it all, because you got fooled into thinking i can get my money back since it 'hitted' right before you hit zero. (except that isnt the case as shown repeatedly here - it hits at low balance, mid balance, high balance, across the board) Nobody is going to deposit a 100 and withdrawl 101 after a session. You do? it's a waste of time if you ask me. You see my experience in a landbased is when i am playing big, it will hit in less then a few spins or not. That is the great trick there is to. Dont play for max bet that starts from 50 up to 100, almost nobody plays in such volume. So you'll be wasting money faster then you can win in the end.

So here's my theory on a few things online (and perhaps myth's that could finally be put to rest)

- You session on slots does not add up world wide. Your playing local against other players who happend to play the same game.
- You dont win better online, actually, my experience is WORSE compared to landbased. Yes there are momentums when you win you could win big based on the bet, but i never personally exceeded a 12.000 euro on online slots. From there it looks like your flagged and down you go. On landbased my best win was 8500 and best day was 17.000 euro CASH in my hands.
- It's not true that the online facility for casino's is cheaper vs landbased. You misbelieve that a online casino would have no costs. (never said no costs, that's ridiculous - there's several assocaited lower overheads)Any idea how much streaming costs for 24/7 view in poker, roulette or blackjack rooms? And the people who are working over there? Any idea what maintaince on server costs and proberly SLA's being involved? So who do you call when your casino site is being DDOS'ed by competition? Getting someone over ther is'nt coming for 13 euro an hour. More like 150 an hour to solve any problems directly on the floor. What about transaction costs on every deposit & withdrawl? Oh yeah. And the contracts such a casino has ? All pricey, granted - never said it's run on 2 nickels)
- They have the ability to give a wave of luck, (and has been explained, but you dont care to listen..no, no they dont)sort of speaking give you a big win after some serious losses. It does'nt take a VIP status for that to encounter. If you dont believe me, watch the video i've posted earlyer. It's right there. They work their way around the "current" set of rules such as VW was doing with their Diesel gate. German casino's and their slots do the very same!
- VIP status does'nt come easy. You have to spend alot of money playing before you get it. And if you have it, yes, they have a budget to send you to your favourite concert or even holliday if it's within your spending pattern.Never said they havent the means - standard players simply dont receive the same perks they could encounter in a b and m - they arent giving dinner and tickets to players who drop 100 online..a better rtp is the perk)
- You dont win better when being VIP. as a matter of fact the VIP's are the ones where they are actually feeding from, ANY casino in the world. Being important comes with a price, lol. They dont have you money over for free, except for free playing money, but that's something i have'nt seen on online casino's.
- They all say all slots are genuine and with RNG. But they dont tell you the math behind the RNG which is programmed in several ways, to MAINTAIN the expected RTP. You cant beat that. Nobody can. Slots are no longer mechinical but digital. And digital is pretty much close to being perfect if the right algorithm is applied.[/QUOTE]

 

[Bloatgoat]

Your only source is / was Trancemonkey, who happens to create his own set of games. Trancemonkey is not 'our' industry but a small dev or lead developper. You have half a clue on how slots are being designed aside from the graphics. Some math's on where these games are based on, have years of knowledge put into to create a new breed of players who might become compulsive gamblers. And it's not because the graphics or the nice sound n shit... They know what they do dummy! This is a billion euro/dollar/pound industry world wide and you still believe it's random and near hits or hits on your last spin was coincidence? Ok. Keep on believing.