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Spoke with Live Chat. They say they have software from Oryx and Microgaming. Checked out the Oryx site and the games don't look too bad (you can view a video of each game on the site).
 
Meyer Lansky said:
We will ask it when you will withdraw. We don't need to know your name before it. Quick registration is good for players.
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No, safe registration is good for players....

So, pray tell me, if you don't check details before deposit:

How do you know the player isn't a previous account holder?
How do you know you aren't taking a deposit from a self-excluded player at another site in your group or your site?
How do you know that if the player makes a w/d that he isn't money laundering or a previous charge-backer?
Why expose yourself to complaints if the depositing player subsequently experiences bonus/WD issues because their details weren't thoroughly checked first?

Not exercising due diligence is not the way to gain accreditation, in fact it points into the abyss of the rogue pit....
 
Meyer Lansky said:
We will ask it when you will withdraw. We don't need to know your name before it. Quick registration is good for players.
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You most certainly do. Your current set-up opens the door to a myriad of problems, most obvious of all been money-laundering. A guy can come in and deposit with a stolen MasterCard and then withdraw to his Neteller. You won't know the MasterCard was stolen as you are don't have anything to compare cc details to.

And, bonus abusers will open dozens of accounts to get the sign up bonus and only enter valid data when they withdraw.

Quick registration is helpful if there is no money involved, but when dealing with player money and your own, you should be capturing registration data and scrubbing it against verification databases just to protect yourselves more. At the very least, you should be grabbing Name and Last Name and Email Address so that you can prevent some abuse / fraud.

Well, that's my 5c anyways :thumbsup:
 
Meyer Lansky said:
We will ask it when you will withdraw. We don't need to know your name before it. Quick registration is good for players.
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Actually this is good for the casino. Take money from who ever hands it to us. We can always refuse to pay later on.

If people can't pass a security check after they try to make a withdrawal, do you return their deposits?

If I make 10 deposits and lose them all, can I later claim to be Elvis Presley and get all of them back?
 
When player registers credit card in casino, he must provide all information. Before player sign up and deposits is a time period and we don't need all information about him until the matter comes to money. Maybe he want to look around, play for free, ask something to operators. Why he must tell everything about himself before he decided play for money or not in this casino.

Tropica Casino said:
You most certainly do. Your current set-up opens the door to a myriad of problems, most obvious of all been money-laundering. A guy can come in and deposit with a stolen MasterCard and then withdraw to his Neteller. You won't know the MasterCard was stolen as you are don't have anything to compare cc details to.

And, bonus abusers will open dozens of accounts to get the sign up bonus and only enter valid data when they withdraw.

Quick registration is helpful if there is no money involved, but when dealing with player money and your own, you should be capturing registration data and scrubbing it against verification databases just to protect yourselves more. At the very least, you should be grabbing Name and Last Name and Email Address so that you can prevent some abuse / fraud.

Well, that's my 5c anyways :thumbsup:
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We can track players without theirs Name and Surname. All money transactions require person validation.

I had to put a smile in the phrase "We will ask it when you will withdraw" ;)

dunover said:
No, safe registration is good for players....

So, pray tell me, if you don't check details before deposit:

How do you know the player isn't a previous account holder?
How do you know you aren't taking a deposit from a self-excluded player at another site in your group or your site?
How do you know that if the player makes a w/d that he isn't money laundering or a previous charge-backer?
Why expose yourself to complaints if the depositing player subsequently experiences bonus/WD issues because their details weren't thoroughly checked first?

Not exercising due diligence is not the way to gain accreditation, in fact it points into the abyss of the rogue pit....
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It depends how you are deposited. If you deposits by credit card and you can not prove that it's yours, then we do not refund. If you are an owner, you can do it yourself. If you deposits by Skrill for example, you can withdraw only on this Skrill account or have to make fake deposit from another payment system.

skiny said:
Actually this is good for the casino. Take money from who ever hands it to us. We can always refuse to pay later on.

If people can't pass a security check after they try to make a withdrawal, do you return their deposits?

If I make 10 deposits and lose them all, can I later claim to be Elvis Presley and get all of them back?
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Meyer Lansky said:
We can track players without theirs Name and Surname. All money transactions require person validation.

I had to put a smile in the phrase "We will ask it when you will withdraw" ;)
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Not properly.

Just wait till all the Advantage Players hear about this;)

There is a big difference between allowing free play without registration and only asking for details once a depositing player wins.

What about a player who never manages to withdraw. He could play for months before you get hit by a massive chargeback because the whole thing was a fraud, and the CC company has just gotten around to dealing with it. Worse still, he may have found a way to get the money through your systems and out via another account, rather than withdrawing it. ANY game where it's player vs player, or even a multi player single dealer game, can be vulnerable to collusion.

At the latest, details should be gathered at the point where the player tries to make their first real money deposit.

If you rely on the details of the deposit method for determining who is playing, you are verifying the account, not who happens to be using it to deposit at the casino.
 
I do not have all the details of work of the fraud department, but the scheme is working and we have no problems ;)

vinylweatherman said:
Not properly.

Just wait till all the Advantage Players hear about this;)

There is a big difference between allowing free play without registration and only asking for details once a depositing player wins.

What about a player who never manages to withdraw. He could play for months before you get hit by a massive chargeback because the whole thing was a fraud, and the CC company has just gotten around to dealing with it. Worse still, he may have found a way to get the money through your systems and out via another account, rather than withdrawing it. ANY game where it's player vs player, or even a multi player single dealer game, can be vulnerable to collusion.

At the latest, details should be gathered at the point where the player tries to make their first real money deposit.

If you rely on the details of the deposit method for determining who is playing, you are verifying the account, not who happens to be using it to deposit at the casino.
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Meyer Lansky said:
I do not have all the details of work of the fraud department, but the scheme is working and we have no problems ;)
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It may be working now, but this could be down to you having honest players, rather than your procedures being robust.

You may also wrongly accuse innocent players because you have not asked for details until the point of withdrawal. You could also mistakenly accept wagers from minors, or from countries you should not.

For example, a US player could deposit, but you would not necessarily know they are from the US when they deposit, only when they withdraw and you start asking for their details. This is too late, as the rule is that US players cannot PLAY, not cannot WIN.

This could get you into SERIOUS trouble with Microgaming, with the nightmare scenario being an invalid player hitting one of the Microgaming progressives, and then it being found out they are from the US, or a minor. This will embroil Microgaming in the negative fallout, not just your casino.

Anonymous tracking methods are not 100% reliable, as was demonstrated when MGS had to block players from the state of Kentucky to avoid their domains from being seized. They did implement such a block, but it was not 100% reliable. Some players from Kentucky were not blocked, whereas others from outside the state were. Microgaming then had to manually unblock some accounts, and manually block Kentucky players who did not get blocked by the systems.

It's when the fraudsters get wind of this that the real trouble will begin, honest players are not the problem.

When other casinos screen for invalid accounts, key data are the registration details given by the player when signing up for real money play. If they claim to be from the UK, but seem to play from a PC located in, say, Spain, this could be flagged up straight away, and the player prevented from depositing until they have verified who they are. With no such registration, all you know at the time of deposit is that you have a new player from Spain, but you could actually have a fraudster who is using a stolen identity and deposit method from Spain, and you will only find out when they get verified for their first withdrawal and give you details of a UK identity and location. This is too late, as all the money that has gone in may well be stolen, and you could still be hit with a large chargeback even if you DO spot the fraud during verification.
 
I have some feedback for the people of Casinomeister. I was not going to post my experience, but seeing as people are asking, here it is.

Games played okay, no timeouts or anything.

Max withdrawal: €800/$1,000
Max withdrawals per month: €4,000/$5,000

Requested a withdrawal of €800 after a number of deposits. This request was made on 05/08/2013. I was first asked to send ID, then bank statement at a later stage. Still waiting, so cannot certify their 24 hr payout period :rolleyes:

The last winners list does not seem to change.

Although there is room for improvement here in payout times and size of withdrawal allowed, these guys seem fairly new. They have time to resolved these issues, and the fact that the rep has joined up here to help and get feedback can only be another positive thing. :thumbsup: Although the casino rep posted within a few hours of the thread being posted, they have been a member in the background since April 2013.
 
thenry14 said:
I have some feedback for the people of Casinomeister. I was not going to post my experience, but seeing as people are asking, here it is.

Games played okay, no timeouts or anything.

Max withdrawal: €800/$1,000
Max withdrawals per month: €4,000/$5,000

Requested a withdrawal of €800 after a number of deposits. This request was made on 05/08/2013. I was first asked to send ID, then bank statement at a later stage. Still waiting, so cannot certify their 24 hr payout period :rolleyes:

The last winners list does not seem to change.

Although there is room for improvement here in payout times and size of withdrawal allowed, these guys seem fairly new. They have time to resolved these issues, and the fact that the rep has joined up here to help and get feedback can only be another positive thing. :thumbsup: Although the casino rep posted within a few hours of the thread being posted, they have been a member in the background since April 2013.
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4/5k A MONTH!!

Huge red flag right there ladies and gentlemen.

Remember, for a $10 per spin player that's like one nice hit on playboy or IR, or a nice run on $5 VP.

In the words of Glen Quagmire "Well that is just awful" (giggity)
 

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