SimonSays "Scandalous!"

[Rusty]

How about these for slot stats at SimonSays casino

I wagered $130 and played 660 spins on As the Reels turn 3

It took 90 spins before my first winning bet, yes 90!:gunmen:
I went 70 spins without winning a single cent!
In 660 spins I had less than 30 winning bets,yes 30! (<1 in 22 spins)
in all I had less than 70 spins that yielded any return at all!(<1 in 9 spins)

I hit the free spins 6 times paying an average of 20XBet
One set of free spins payed zero (bare in mind the first Two reels have expanding wilds)

I hit the bonus round 3 times paying an average of 42Xbet

I wagered around $285
RTP was around $155

That is a 54% return over 660 spins even after hitting 2 good bonus round and the free spins 6 times and it would have been much worse but it gave a few wins Once I was down to $10

54 percent!

Absolutely disgusting but I'm an idiot for taking a bonus and playing there because I have had similar results before.
I dare say my entire slot returns are less than 60% maybe even less than 50% and that is what I call ripped off.

Thanks for the entertainment SimonSays that was really fun being screwed over :axeman2:

 

[anniemac]

If you think that slot is bad, try the new Western Wilderness. With line pays of $.02 and up, it will take you an awful long time to win back a $.20 bet.

I was playing off a free chip tonight at Sloto and hit 4 mixers on Jacques' Pot. Paid a whopping $.04. :yahoo:

I just had to laugh. :lolsign: And I have been spending my hard earned money on a slot that will pay me $.04 for a bonus round. What a big dummy!!

 

[ballysdb]

Actually I've been playing Western Wilderness at TIV and it has been paying really good.

I don't know if the payouts are better there?

 

[anniemac]

Deb,

I don't know about the difference in payouts but for me since the first day where I won $40 on it, it has not paid anything. I went through 3 deposits and never even got the free spins.

But good luck. Hope you hit thousands.

 

[KasinoKing]

That is a 54% return over 660 spins even after hitting 2 good bonus round and the free spins 6 times and it would have been much worse but it gave a few wins Once I was down to $10

54 percent!

Thanks for the entertainment SimonSays that was really fun being screwed over :axeman2:

Thanks for the stats - you're right that was a diabolical session.

Personally I don't like any of the story i-Slots - the payouts on them are generally crap. Though ATRT3 does seem to have more potential than the first 4, which means it's probably higher variance...

Re the software; I don't know for sure, but I would be totally gob-smacked if individual Rival casinos had any influence over the pay-back of any of their games.

 

[chuchu59]

Ah, so this is Simon Screws casino. No offence Sandra. Just joking. 3 months ago, I played ATRT3 and got crap for nearly 200 spins and all of a sudden the feature appeared and I got more than what I lost in the previous spins. However, like Scary Rich you are frustrated when you get nothing spin after spin and when you finally see the feature, you get crappppp.

 

[tim5ny]

I think you're supposed to lose...so everything went as planned!

 

[vinylweatherman]

I think you're supposed to lose...so everything went as planned!

Yes, but you are supposed to get a fair return of around 95%. It seems very odd that there are just so many naked spins being reported on these Rival slots. With this many naked spins, free spin rounds ARE going to pay "crap" most of the time, so where the hell does the "fair" RTP come from?

Do these slots have a large amount of the RTP coming from a very few, and very large, hits in the bonus round - this seems to be the case with Scary Rich. This would mean that the vast majority would get an RTP of 50% or less to feed the very small minority who hit the really big returns.

We know that Rival themselves can tweak these slots (this was stated to have been done earlier), they are not set in stone as they are at other software suppliers, including MG, but not RTG, who can also tweak the RTP within a 93% to 97% range.

 

[babs7262]

Hey Rusty

I have a question. Its not a judgement and Im truely just curious. How come you didnt move to a different game after the first 100 spins? I dont understand why you would even continue to 660 with payout percentages being so obvious after the first 100 or so? Was it a test? If so, than I understand

 

[chuchu59]

I play Rival slots regularly and it seems that while the overall RTP is roughly the same as before the variance for several slots have changed dramatically. Naked spins are plentiful and for those slots with free spin features, the payouts are crap. Take Hobo's Hoard for example. The free spins yielded $0 on more than a dozen occasions out of about 50. The pay tables have also changed. Previously in Grandma's Attic, you get the cost of your spin back for 2 scatters. Now they pay nothing. Given that 2 scatters appear quite a lot at this slot, the variance has definitely increased. I am not sure whether anyone connected with Rival will comment on this.

 

[silcnlayc]

babs7262:How come you didnt move to a different game after the first 100 spins? I dont understand why you would even continue to 660 with payout percentages being so obvious after the first 100 or so?

Many of us do this. It's the thought that this CAN'T be happening...it will hit anytime now, if I leave now...I will miss the "big" one etc, etc etc..

I, personally play a slot UNTIL I hit a bonus round and then move on cause of the investment cost..no sense dumping $50 bucks and then leaving...without a bonus round...and usually when I get to the last few dollars, it always hits (98%) of the time and I get back more than I spent...but then I spin once or twice more and move on...for the next game and bonus round..

Cashed out more than I can say doing it this way lately...I guess it's the challenge that continues to make us play and spin till we are broke or win the darn bonus round Then we are proven it WAS the right thing to do (stay).. most of the time but not always

 

[Rusty]

Hey Rusty

I have a question. Its not a judgement and Im truely just curious. How come you didnt move to a different game after the first 100 spins? I dont understand why you would even continue to 660 with payout percentages being so obvious after the first 100 or so? Was it a test? If so, than I understand

It turned into a test

I started playing for entertainment value as usual and planned to play other slots but when you don't get a winning spin (NOT FEATURE JUST WIN) for nearly 100 spins then I became curious.
Even though I know these slots are weighted I wanted to find out how the free spins would play because I know you can often get the Two expanding wilds on the first Two reels and reasonable returns.

From the 60 free spins I probably hit the expanding Wilds about 5 or 6 times in total and never both at the same time.
I can not put this down to natural variance because the bonus rounds were
also rare and the lack of winning spins was exceptional.

I am certain that the payout can be adjusted at any time and is adjusted for bonus play because I have had similar results at Rival when playing a bonus.
We are not talking about an 85% return here and not hitting bonus rounds we are talking near 50% with bonus rounds, crazy.
As for weighted just play and see how many times you hit the first Two scatters of any type and yet fail to hit the bonus or free spins.
I would guess I hit them maybe 60 times and didn't hit the Third Once.
So obviously it is either dynamically weighted or it uses "near miss grouping" described by someone in another thread.

I have come to accept that no software provider offers a truly random online slot game and it is open to debate if these slots can be described as fair as some Casinos may well still have 95% RTP with the possibility of winning and offer good entertainment but then again the RTP can obviously be adjusted and the whole online slot industry is based on a lie.

I have complained long and hard about this lie in many threads and offered plenty of evidence and logic to back up my claim but you will all have your own experiences and thoughts which I respect.

I still get entertainment value from online slots and will continue to play but when I get right Royally ripped off I don't feel entertained just robbed and dismayed with the whole experience.

It has nothing to do with the money (I low roll) or losing (even when I win I play off the balance 99% of the time) it is about getting software to perform as advertised or even if they can not bring themselves to do that at least give the player a fair return and chance.

Thank you all for your responses.
Sorry for such a long post.

 

[anniemac]

Rusty,

I tried to get the same point across to a casino manager not long ago.

It's not the winning or losing. It's getting shafted that PO's me. I know that my chances of winning are slim to none but I just want to play and not feel like I am being hoovered. If the casinos/software providers would just get it in there heads that if they would fix it so you would hit something every so often you would keep playing and depositing instead of taking all your money in a short period and then telling you "Sorry about that, just not very lucky".
At least give us a fighting chance of winning. Don't make us feel like the proverbial "snowball in hell" every time we deposit.

 

[Rusty]

I agree but of course they would see it in different light, after all we are still depositing
But yeah I hardly play at Rival because of results like these and I only low roll because of results like these (I have never been high roller but I used make higher bets and deposits) and I deposit less often because of results like these so does it really benefit them?
Certainly in the short term but long term I think it can only have a negative effect.

 

[chayton]

I haven't been depositing at Rival casinos for awhile - my last few deposits got sucked up in literally minutes. I'm not independently wealthy, I can't afford to go through my deposits that fast! Since my gambling budget is pretty low these days I only deposit where at least I stand a slight chance of maybe not winning or cashing out, but at least getting a little bit of playtime for my $. It's supposed to be fun after all.

 

[mysticjoz]

Same here. I just spent the last few weeks playing only where my cash outs seem more often lately, and Simon Says is not on that list. I kept getting the normal email promo's from Simon Says. Yesterday I received one that said "we miss you".. yeah right So I took the 60% offer and for what is most definitely my last deposit at Simon Says I invested $20 from my profits of the last few weeks to give it "one more try."

I have never played deposits there that fast! At least before there was a little entertainment before the whole deposit was gone. And my favorites "Hole in One" which always kicked in a bonus round here and there or some of those wild eagles to bring me back into the game,, was Colder than cold it was DEAD. "Winter Wonders" those Wild Santa's were always around before but none and the free spin sleighs.. not even two in a spin (to make double my bet) ...DEAD.... "Future Fortunes" No Ouija board scatters.. not one of the two bonus rounds just DEAD like the rest.

With not one bonus round. Not one free spins round. The $32.50 was gone in flash! and it wasn't entertaining at all! I love the bonus round in "Hole in One" but I literally haven't seen it for the past few months!!
I am used to playing Simon Says for entertainment only because I have never had the pleasure of a cash out there. But this last visit all I hear Simon saying is "it's time for a Rival Change" at the least!

 

[babs7262]

Yeah, me too

I have never had a rival cashout so I uninstalled them months ago. I dont even know the last time I played. I keep getting those "we miss you" emails too. They miss our money, not us

 

[BingoT]

The only two places I ever made a cashout are SlotoCash Very Fast and Mayan Fortune.So So fast.
I'm on Vac for afew weeks and the money is going to a better use than to try to make a Mil at the casino.

 

[Rusty]

Are there no Casinos where you are going BingoT?
Enjoy yourself you know you deserve it

 

[BingoT]

Doing day trips with the kids before school starts.
The kids start next week.& after that the Wife & I only we are going to Canada for afew days.& we will be going to Aruba this winter.
Thanks Rusty
First year for my son.
I don't want to go off topic but did everyone see the freshman class that will be going to Uconn this year? OMG over crowded school this year.

I hear they have nice casinos in Canada

 

[funky_seagull]

Simon says: give me some money.

Simon says: give me some more.

Simon says: spin the reels.

Simon says: come back to my casino.

Simon says: make a deposit.

Simon says: spin the reels.

Simon pays: f**k all


Who the duck came up with such a stupid name for a casino..?

 

[BingoT]

A group of kids one day said. Simon Says lets make an Online Casino.

 

[mysticjoz]

A group of kids one day said. Simon Says lets make an Online Casino.

ditto! (have a nice vaca bingo!)

 

[bernynhel]

How about these for slot stats at SimonSays casino

I wagered $130 and played 660 spins on As the Reels turn 3

It took 90 spins before my first winning bet, yes 90!:gunmen:...QUOTE]

I think I wudda looked for a better hitting slot after no more than, oh, 89 spins. Max.

Insanity n. doing the same thing over and over again even if the results are undesired.

 

[Rusty]

Yes, I am insane, well spotted
That is probably why I can not make head or tail of your "coincidental" Rival are wonderful and everybody else sucks post.

 

[mysticjoz]

Customer Response time Quick and unexpected

Well all,,, Maybe you should check your emails. I just received an email from "jennifer" and I must say "thanks jennifer" There was a bonus in my account. :yahoo: I did not write customer support or say anything to anyone except my post here, which shows me that they are continuing to check here for any "unhappy players" and apparently working on customer satisfaction! :clap: Well Done Simon Says... of course this bonus has all the attached restrictions and WR,...but I am grateful for the gift! (and it wasn't a shabby $5 gift, mine was the amount of my deposit.)

Now..I am really hoping to have some enjoyable slot sessions.. Like I said before I absolutely Love the bonus round on "Hole in One".. and maybe, just maybe I can make my first ever "Simon Says Cashout"

Good luck everyone.. and again.. thank you jennifer! :Angel:

 

[chayton]

I've actually cashed out at Simon and also at SlotoCash. And a couple times those cashouts were from a free chip. So it's not that you can't win...it just seems like their slots are on fire or they're absolutely dead and there's no grey area in between. Anybody who's played Scary Rich knows what that's like - spend a bundle and finally get a feature and win diddly. Other times you walk in and the first spin you win $160 on a 20 cent bet. But for me it's been the first scenario more often than the second one, bummer.

 

[Rusty]

It is nice to see good CS in action for regular players mysticjoz, GL

I am sure that is the case Chayton and it is not the only software/Casino that seems to have improbable streaks winning or losing.

It could even be that the Casino average RTP is 95%+

The problem is of course that if these streaks are manufactured as seems very likely then who decides who wins and who loses and when?

 

[AudiManinBoro]

Thanks for the stats - you're right that was a diabolical session.

Personally I don't like any of the story i-Slots - the payouts on them are generally crap. Though ATRT3 does seem to have more potential than the first 4, which means it's probably higher variance...

Re the software; I don't know for sure, but I would be totally gob-smacked if individual Rival casinos had any influence over the pay-back of any of their games.

Actually KK Mission Control is very simlar to scary rich in regards to the expanding wilds. trigger 3 little red rockets on the first 3 reels with a decent simple behind it on the free spins and your talking serious money

 

[KasinoKing]

Actually KK Mission Control is very simlar to scary rich in regards to the expanding wilds. trigger 3 little red rockets on the first 3 reels with a decent simple behind it on the free spins and your talking serious money

Do you mean Cosmic Quest?

I did say the story i-Slots - meaning ATRT 1, 2 & 3, Bank Heist & Art Heist.
The other 2 (Comic Quench & Holy One) don't have story lines...

 

[bryand]

I think it has been established that all Rival sites are located on the same server. Although I usually play at Slotocash (because they have the fastest payouts) last night I played SimonSays and cashed out double my $100 deposit. Other than the skin and background music, I can't tell the difference between any of the Rivals.

Simon says: give me some money.

Simon says: give me some more.

Simon says: spin the reels.

Simon says: come back to my casino.

Simon says: make a deposit.

Simon says: spin the reels.

Simon pays: f**k all


Who the duck came up with such a stupid name for a casino..?

 

[Rusty]

Got free $10 from SS so played ATRT3 for a laugh.
played 18c a spin and got

15% RTP
Lasted about 2 1/2 minutes real time lol.

That slot it no good!

 

[zap987]

ATRT3 is just extremely high variance, there are basically no medium wins at all to keep you playing. Most 4 of a kinds pay less than your bet playing 15 lines. It's also probably the slot that you have the best chance to get 100-500x your bet since double wilds during free spins aren't that uncommon. Definitely not a slot to play if you want your money to last a while, if you hit no free spins or bonuses you're gonna be broke in a few minutes.

 

[mysticjoz]

oh well, simon stopped talking at least for me he will

Well everyone. I do appreciate jennifers "gesture"..But, I still couldn't manage a cash out from the bonus, low rolling it all the way I didn't even pass the $20 mark so I was NO WHERE NEAR a cash out! .. I got 1 bonus round in "Hole in one". That was fun while it lasted. I really used to enjoy those slots.. they used to be fun.

Then I woke this morning and my vip bonus of $10 was there and that played in about 2 minutes also. Sorry Simon but Mystic says you have stopped talking! at least for me you have.

They are not losing out on much though. my first deposit there in weeks was only $20. between my 20, jennifers 20 and the vip 10 you would think I would have seen more than one bonus round in Hole in one. I got one bonus round on the new cowboys slot but NO free spins or bonus rounds on any of the other games I played. I even tried the penny slots.

 

[ballysdb]

I got the free $10 and got it up to $40. I had about 1 hour of play out of it. I've only made one deposit there so I was happy with that.

 

[mysticjoz]

congrats ballysdb

I got the free $10 and got it up to $40. I had about 1 hour of play out of it. I've only made one deposit there so I was happy with that.

WTG ballysdb I really wish these slots were like they used to be.
I always loved "hole in one" because it always saved my ars when I got down too low! And the bonus round is interactive.. which IMHO is fun! (I always was a sucker for mini golf ) I may try one of the other Rivals soon, but Simon has never once showed me a cash out. It's great to hear of someone winning there!

Congrats!!

 

[KasinoKing]

WTG ballysdb I really wish these slots were like they used to be.
I always loved "hole in one" because it always saved my ars when I got down too low! And the bonus round is interactive.. which IMHO is fun! (I always was a sucker for mini golf ) I may try one of the other Rivals soon, but Simon has never once showed me a cash out. It's great to hear of someone winning there!

Congrats!!

Remember, all Rival casinos are thought to run off the same server - individual casinos can not change how their slots perform.
I've only ever made 2 deposits at Simon; $100 & $150 (both with 100% bonuses), and cashed out $250 both times
I also got a $30 free-chip (for my birthday) and cashed out $0

Da Vinci's has been the money-vacuum for me; total deposits $675 - total cashouts = $0 :sob:

It's all luck IMHO.

 

[bernynhel]

Yes, I am insane, well spotted
That is probably why I can not make head or tail of your "coincidental" Rival are wonderful and everybody else sucks post.

My definition was only included to illustrate what I think I can safely assume to be a condition that everyone, myself included, who spends considerable time and effort posting on a gambling forum must be afflicted with at times. I have often wanted to kick myself for staying "too long" at a table, a slot or a logged in to a single site. I thought that by stating that I would have given up at only 89 spins, that you would surely interpret my post as a tongue in cheek way of injecting a little humor into your situation, a situation which I could completely relate to through my many past, similar experiences. That you should take offense when everyone reading this thread has certainly been there at one time or another kinda caught me off guard.

My Rival thumbs up thread wouldn't exist but for my previous Rival thread in the Bitch and Moan Section here:

https://www.casinomeister.com/forum...ck-deposited-to-my-cocoa-casio-account.25974/

- and only then because Silverstone Overseas Ltd, not Rival, specifically, acted immediately to re-configure their entire new promotion and make it right. Everything set straight within a week. But, hey, I'm not on the payroll so I'm not trying to make converts of anyone who has their own opinion for or against.

 

[Rusty]

It came across as a jibe because of the way you worded it and as I had already explained exactly why I continued to play in a previous post.
Perhaps you missed it?
If that was not your intention then no worries, crazy is the human condition.

 

[ballysdb]

My 2 cents again...

Deposited $25, Took a 100% match bonus. Played for 2 hours on...
Hole in Won
5 Reel Circus (is that the name?)
Western Wilderness
Scary Rich (nothing!)

Got it up to $125 at one point. Went back down to 80 cents. Got it back up to $80. Now I'm done. All in all, good clean fun.