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Maybe for the UK, but can confirm Norway has the deposit+bonus x 35 wagering req, even on the 25% one.
For the max 500€ bonus you need to wager 87500€.


Gentlemen,

due to terms and conditions of Welcome Package promo:

„The sum of Bonus Funds and Third Deposit related to the Bonus need to be wagered at least 35 times before the funds can be withdrawn or played on other products. E.G. if You deposit €100 and receive €25 in Bonus Funds You will need to wager 35x (€25 + €25) = €1750 before You can withdraw any funds.”

3rd deposit bonus (25%):
if you take a max bonus (€500.00, depositing €2000) wagering would be counted as following:
35x (€500 + €500)= €35000 not €87500 as not whole deposit is related to the bonus but only the 25% part of it.


:)
 
Gentlemen,

due to terms and conditions of Welcome Package promo:

„The sum of Bonus Funds and Third Deposit related to the Bonus need to be wagered at least 35 times before the funds can be withdrawn or played on other products. E.G. if You deposit €100 and receive €25 in Bonus Funds You will need to wager 35x (€25 + €25) = €1750 before You can withdraw any funds.”

3rd deposit bonus (25%):
if you take a max bonus (€500.00, depositing €2000) wagering would be counted as following:
35x (€500 + €500)= €35000 not €87500 as not whole deposit is related to the bonus but only the 25% part of it.


:)

Just saw that now in the terms. Still, 70x wagering req on a 25% bonus is harsh, though naturally not as bad as a 175x wagering req would be. My mistake, sorry.
 
Gentlemen,

due to terms and conditions of Welcome Package promo:

„The sum of Bonus Funds and Third Deposit related to the Bonus need to be wagered at least 35 times before the funds can be withdrawn or played on other products. E.G. if You deposit €100 and receive €25 in Bonus Funds You will need to wager 35x (€25 + €25) = €1750 before You can withdraw any funds.”

3rd deposit bonus (25%):
if you take a max bonus (€500.00, depositing €2000) wagering would be counted as following:
35x (€500 + €500)= €35000 not €87500 as not whole deposit is related to the bonus but only the 25% part of it.


:)

If I go to your site i automatically get the german version and the terms are not clearly stating what you are saying. I know most of you here dont understand the quote but as it is right now you can only assume you have to wager the bonus and your complete deposit.

4.3.1. Das gesamte Bonusgeld und die mit dem Bonus verbundene dritte Einzahlung müssen mindestens 35 Mal umgesetzt werden, bevor das Geld abgehoben oder auf andere Produkte gesetzt werden kann.
 
If I go to your site i automatically get the german version and the terms are not clearly stating what you are saying. I know most of you here dont understand the quote but as it is right now you can only assume you have to wager the bonus and your complete deposit.

4.3.1. Das gesamte Bonusgeld und die mit dem Bonus verbundene dritte Einzahlung müssen mindestens 35 Mal umgesetzt werden, bevor das Geld abgehoben oder auf andere Produkte gesetzt werden kann.
Yeah this is what caught me off guard too. The English version has an example where it shows as marcelina explains, but the Norwegian page does not have that example.
 
Gentlemen,

due to terms and conditions of Welcome Package promo:

„The sum of Bonus Funds and Third Deposit related to the Bonus need to be wagered at least 35 times before the funds can be withdrawn or played on other products. E.G. if You deposit €100 and receive €25 in Bonus Funds You will need to wager 35x (€25 + €25) = €1750 before You can withdraw any funds.”

3rd deposit bonus (25%):
if you take a max bonus (€500.00, depositing €2000) wagering would be counted as following:
35x (€500 + €500)= €35000 not €87500 as not whole deposit is related to the bonus but only the 25% part of it.


:)
So the deposit is locked in, until wagering is complete, even for UK players?

Wouldn't it just be easier and more transparent to show the wagering as x70. It would save any confusion.
 
So the deposit is locked in, until wagering is complete, even for UK players?

Wouldn't it just be easier and more transparent to show the wagering as x70. It would save any confusion.

Im not sure either tbh - can one the reps clarify?
 
Not for me im affraid. Signed up last night 50 for 50.. Site lagged on PnG and BTG to the point i was waiting 10-15 sec on each cascade on BTG. had to check on a few other sites incase it was my end but they was all fine. And as already pointed out its non UK complient in regards of locking your deposit.

No return for me
 
Todays offer:

Everyone will be celebrating the Freedom of the Shadow
with huge amounts of Extra Spins and hopefully some big wins!

How does it work:
1. Opt in to join the Party.
2. You have Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday
to get ready for the party by wagering.
3. For each £100 wagered, you will get 5 Extra Spins for the party.
4. You will get your Extra Spins when the party Starts on Friday,
the party and Extra Spins will last all weekend.

35x wagering on the free spins.

So 50 spins per £1000 wagered. :eek2:

I avoid promos where the spins are credited at another time (eg party day Friday) as I can never remember where I played and which day to go back. Seldom are email reminders sent either.

Thanks for your efforts Shadowbet but you need to dangle a much larger carrot....
 
I avoid promos where the spins are credited at another time (eg party day Friday) as I can never remember where I played and which day to go back. Seldom are email reminders sent either.

Thanks for your efforts Shadowbet but you need to dangle a much larger carrot....

Hi Supababe, I understand this particular promotion is not for everyone, but I think its important to remember that not all promotions have to offer a large carrot to convince you to play at ShadowBet. The promotion you are referring to is a free to join promotion that aims towards adding a little more entertainment to our players who already enjoy playing at ShadowBet. As mentioned previously, time to time you will see reload bonuses being offered. Which promotions do you find entertaining or rewarding?
 
i cant play on the igame platform because they cant be bothered with the very few players in the Faroes
not in Denmark as they think i am :mad:
but personally the biggest carrot you can give is good fast support and fast cashouts :)

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For me: Best promotions are those that give me maximum time spinning, as I play as a source of entertainment. Anything that keeps me happy and quiet spinning.
Like lots of other slot players, I don’t drink alcohol or enjoy going out. It’s about having a little bit of ‘chill time’ and not about making money (although the occasional withdrawal also feels great).
 
It gets me that everything seems to be about bonuses still. Due to no tax relief on them in the UK any longer they're going to get stingier from everybody. 35x D+B is a very common factor nowadays whereas once it would have been deemed outrageous. Now the 50% and 25% factors have been explained it's fair enough, provided of course the cash part can be w/d if you win and bonus forfeited. I think people misunderstand the tie-in, as far as I know there is as of yet no ban from the UKGC on tying cash to bonuses for slot players, or it isn't compulsory yet. I could be wrong, if so correct me!
 
played there once or twice. first deposit bonus is ok but too high wagering for my taste. I never received another offer that would actually make me consider depositing there again. Opened account there a year or so ago. As other people said, compared to other casinos their offers were spam folder worthy.

Nothing personal guy but you gotta understand how we as players are likely to take better offers. And considering theres a casino that has almost daily stake 5 get 5, stake 10 get 10 wager free spins, or 50% - 100% deposit offers, im not very likely to take your... deposit $60, to get $7,5 worth of free spins. with 35x wagering. Seriously thats just bad. no other way around it. I know you cant have 100% offers every single day. But honestly i believe how having no offers is better than most of stuff i got from you guys.

i havent even bothered logging back for my few weeks of free spins on first deposit. 35x wagering on 10c spins or something like that hasnt made me come back. shocking in know.

They had this promo where you get 10 free spins a week (?!) and i honestly dont know what kind of market are they aiming for with those promos. Only freeloaders will have their calendar bookmarked with - 10 free spins on starburst on Friday !!?!! (MUST HAVE) while other people are very likely to be playing elsewhere that friday. I know i did.

also if you are going to give free spins away, for gods sake do it right away. If you make me login 18 days from now, to get my free spins im very likely to forget about it, and when people forget about their freebie that kinda drives them away. Im not sure your aim is to drive people away though.

just my 2 cents
 
It gets me that everything seems to be about bonuses still. Due to no tax relief on them in the UK any longer they're going to get stingier from everybody. 35x D+B is a very common factor nowadays whereas once it would have been deemed outrageous. Now the 50% and 25% factors have been explained it's fair enough, provided of course the cash part can be w/d if you win and bonus forfeited. I think people misunderstand the tie-in, as far as I know there is as of yet no ban from the UKGC on tying cash to bonuses for slot players, or it isn't compulsory yet. I could be wrong, if so correct me!
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According to the UKGC article, the deadline for compliance was the 28th Feb.

And the reason why bonuses are mentioned so much. Is that it's sometimes the only thing which differentiates between sites.

What would be the point of anyone signing up to yet another new MT Secure Trade casino like this, if it has exactly the same games, similar promotions/loyalty, same banking options, same basic T&c...Etc as all the other MTST sites?

How many of your site's users sign up to multiple casinos?
And how many would sign up to multiple sites, if none of the casinos you advertise had a SUB?
 
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According to the UKGC article, the deadline for compliance was the 28th Feb.

And the reason why bonuses are mentioned so much. Is that it's sometimes the only thing which differentiates between sites.

What would be the point of anyone signing up to yet another new MT Secure Trade casino like this, if it has exactly the same games, similar promotions/loyalty, same banking options, same basic T&c...Etc as all the other MTST sites?

How many of your site's users sign up to multiple casinos?
And how many would sign up to multiple sites, if none of the casinos you advertise had a SUB?

Nope. Like everyone else you seem to have misinterpreted that.

"The CMA’s undertakings require the majority of practices to be amended by 28 February 2018, with a later date of 31 July 2018 for the implementation of prompts for consumers when they are playing with restricted funds."

There is presently no compulsory separation of bonus funds from cash. That's why Caddell and 32Red still do it I believe to name a couple. The word 'prompts' suggests a very different intention from banning them. If you read the article again, they admit they have no lawful power to decide which terms are unfair and that that decision is the domain of the courts.

I'm afraid like a lot of spiel the banning of tied deposits has been focussed on and the old Chinese whispers have created this belief. It will no doubt eventually happen, but not yet.

As for the first question, how on earth do I know how many users sign up to multiple casinos? Each affy programme simply gives me country, deposit amount and +/-. Identifying a similar player at multiple casinos is impossible as we aren't availed of that information. I can only surmise by confirmatory posts made by any sign-ups so very little definitive information is in my possession.

Actually most MT Secure sites do broadly have the same slots and set-up, with variations of loyalty (if at all) and FD bonus amount although nearly all are 100% to 100. There is a slight variation in wagering requirement which may or may not affect a player's decision to join, again that's speculative and cannot be answered accurately.

To take this to the other extreme, if ALL casinos stopped deposit-match offers, would ALL players stop signing up to casinos and stop playing, apart from Jono? :D
 
There is presently no compulsory separation of bonus funds from cash. That's why Caddell and 32Red still do it I believe to name a couple.

Just to say all the Caddell casinos I play at have always separated cash and bonuses. I have on many occasions withdrawn before I touched the bonus and not been close to the wagering requirements (probably why I'm bonus banned now lol)
 
Nope. Like everyone else you seem to have misinterpreted that.

"The CMA’s undertakings require the majority of practices to be amended by 28 February 2018, with a later date of 31 July 2018 for the implementation of prompts for consumers when they are playing with restricted funds."

There is presently no compulsory separation of bonus funds from cash. That's why Caddell and 32Red still do it I believe to name a couple. The word 'prompts' suggests a very different intention from banning them. If you read the article again, they admit they have no lawful power to decide which terms are unfair and that that decision is the domain of the courts.

I'm afraid like a lot of spiel the banning of tied deposits has been focussed on and the old Chinese whispers have created this belief. It will no doubt eventually happen, but not yet.

As for the first question, how on earth do I know how many users sign up to multiple casinos? Each affy programme simply gives me country, deposit amount and +/-. Identifying a similar player at multiple casinos is impossible as we aren't availed of that information. I can only surmise by confirmatory posts made by any sign-ups so very little definitive information is in my possession.

Actually most MT Secure sites do broadly have the same slots and set-up, with variations of loyalty (if at all) and FD bonus amount although nearly all are 100% to 100. There is a slight variation in wagering requirement which may or may not affect a player's decision to join, again that's speculative and cannot be answered accurately.

To take this to the other extreme, if ALL casinos stopped deposit-match offers, would ALL players stop signing up to casinos and stop playing, apart from Jono? :D

Exactly the CMA’s undertakings require the majority of practices to be amended by 28 February 2018, with a later date of 31 July 2018 for the implementation of prompts for consumers when they are playing with restricted funds.

The latter date of July is the deadline for the implementation of prompts. Which I would assume would take more to organise from an IT point of view.

32Red changed their bonus structure recently, as far as I remember it was just before the 28th feb deadline. There was a thread about it.
Roxy / 32Red going bonus and cash balance on bonuses

Edit: and as colin just reminded me, Caddell have always separated bonuses and cash. I thought they had but wasn't sure. since, like colin, I also got bonus banned some time ago for winning too much from bonuses

I'm aware that you wouldn't have the information to identify players, it was a hypothetical question

"if ALL casinos stopped deposit-match offers, would ALL players stop signing up to casinos" - There maybe less people signing up to new casinos, or more than just one casino


 
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To take this to the other extreme, if ALL casinos stopped deposit-match offers, would ALL players stop signing up to casinos and stop playing, apart from Jono? :D

no they would just stick to one with most slots/promos/fastest cashout. its very simple tbh.

why would anyone switch from, lets say VS to some new random casino that offers no bonus, fewer slots and ? cashout times compared to billion of slots and instant cashouts they have? They wouldnt. Casinos offer bonuses because they have to, not because they are nice to us :p
 
Nope. Like everyone else you seem to have misinterpreted that.

"The CMA’s undertakings require the majority of practices to be amended by 28 February 2018, with a later date of 31 July 2018 for the implementation of prompts for consumers when they are playing with restricted funds."

There is presently no compulsory separation of bonus funds from cash. That's why Caddell and 32Red still do it I believe to name a couple. The word 'prompts' suggests a very different intention from banning them. If you read the article again, they admit they have no lawful power to decide which terms are unfair and that that decision is the domain of the courts.

I'm afraid like a lot of spiel the banning of tied deposits has been focussed on and the old Chinese whispers have created this belief. It will no doubt eventually happen, but not yet.

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  • Allow customers to exit promotions at any time with their remaining deposit, plus any winnings from play with their deposit, and make this opportunity clear to them
  • Ensure customers can clearly distinguish between playing with bonus funds and playing with their own money
That is clearly stating cash and bonuses must not be tied together. The prompts you mention are for when a customer is playing with any bonus funds, the casino must prompt them to remind them. Which probably means we will get a fucking annoying pop up every time we enter a game much like the 'you have been playing for 60 minutes, do you want to continue' ones we get for RG now. :(
 
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theres the full CMA directives.

I'll also bet there are more fines for advertising breaches in the near future, they clearly say 'significant terms and conditions must be displayed on the ad, except where it is impossible'. Almost every affiliate I see has T&C's apply rather than wagering requirements etc (which is what most affiliate managers are telling people). There are very few cases where its impossible to put them in. A text tweet on twitter being about the only one I can think of, or a very small, say 100*100 banner ad.
 
Just to say all the Caddell casinos I play at have always separated cash and bonuses. I have on many occasions withdrawn before I touched the bonus and not been close to the wagering requirements (probably why I'm bonus banned now lol)
Well in one of my videos I did this, Spinrider? and tried to wd 600 and it refused to let me withdraw. Some posters told me I could have w/d but then another one stated they had the same issue.

As for the link, very good. It also infers that this will be the end of "deposited funds must be played through 1x, or 2x 5x etc." It specifies that at no stage should a player face any restrictions on withdrawing deposited cash.
 
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Well in one of my videos I did this, Spinrider? and tried to wd 600 and it refused to let me withdraw. Some posters told me I could have w/d but then another one stated they had the same issue.

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Are you sure you hadn't dipped into the bonus, not even by a penny? I don't play there so can't comment on them, but certainly on G'Day, 21Prive and Hello for well over a year I've been playing at them you could withdraw at any point.

As for the link, very good. It also infers that this will be the end of "deposited funds must be played through 1x, or 2x 5x etc." It specifies that at no stage should a player face any restrictions on withdrawing deposited cash.

Yes, thats right, which is why some casinos are now changing to charging 5% if it hasn't been played through once.
 
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