Rushmore Randoms

[Nifty29]

Thanks for attaching the sheet. Sucks to be a player outside the US (only 3 big winners).

I'm surprised at the amount of big VP winners. INetBet has some good size ones and that is only one casino.

Shout out to Sharon T.:

Sharon T. United States Wooden Boy (Video Slots) $12,579.50 April Cherry Red
Sharon T. United States Wooden Boy (Video Slots) $12,927.50 May Cherry Red
Sharon T. United States Aladdin's Wishes (Video Slots) $15,432.00 May Slots Oasis

Keep on spinning, cheating, winning, whatever girl!

Where do you get the cheating bit from? What makes you think anyone is cheating?

I know people that commonly play $20+ per spin so those wins are only 500-750x bet...Ive hit some of them myself. Hell, they may have been betting $100 a spin so thats only 100-150x bet. Considering they were all hit by the same person, I can almost gaurantee they are a high roller.

Its like the winner screenies thread with the huge hits on $25+ spins - sure they're big, but imagine how much it costs when it isnt paying out.

I'm still waiting to see the evidence to back up the accusations by some members here that a CM Accredited Casino is falsely inflating their RJs and then not paying them out to real people.....these aren't opinions people, they are straight up accusations that Rushmore is committing fraud...and they are totally baseless.

Disgraceful IMO.

 

[Tengil]

Thanks for attaching the sheet. Sucks to be a player outside the US (only 3 big winners).

I'm surprised at the amount of big VP winners. INetBet has some good size ones and that is only one casino.

Shout out to Sharon T.:

Sharon T. United States Wooden Boy (Video Slots) $12,579.50 April Cherry Red
Sharon T. United States Wooden Boy (Video Slots) $12,927.50 May Cherry Red
Sharon T. United States Aladdin's Wishes (Video Slots) $15,432.00 May Slots Oasis

Keep on spinning, cheating, winning, whatever girl!

Thats because Inetbet is a much bigger casino than the whole Rushmore group.

 

[The Dude]

I+ve also noticed that in general they are on much higher amounts than other RTGs, but maybe they are linked?

I also think those start off at $5000, instead of the normal $1000. I once played a place before I realized they were rogue (real vegas online) and they had even higher jackpots. Some were over $50k

The fact that casino A. has most randoms paying off at under $10,000 and casino B. has them paying off at lord knows where ought to tell you something about the randomness of random jackpots. Why are Rushmore's so high, and not Slots Oasis or Cherry Red? I've been told the operators cannot decide where they pay off. So who does, because somebody has to or there would not be such a disparity between random jackpot amounts between different casinos.

It gives a lot of false hope to a lot of players when they see jackpots that high. Hey, now we have something else to be suspicious of.

Most RTG Casinos have the RJs linked, but this have nothing to do with it

I've even seen one which goes about 100 thousand $ and this is really not normal for a Random Jackpot on any RTG Casino, so that's for me the reason, why i can't trust them.

Some of you are jumping to conclusions in this thread. I spoke with one of the RTG reps in Montreal last week about RJs. One thing I didn't know was that operators can group games together in whatever configuration they want - thus this is why you see some RJ jackpots way higher than others. Perhaps if some of you contacted more than one casino rep - you could have gotten this answer.

... I doubt there rep here will reply so dont hold breath so to speak. Im actually up at that group won a 6k plus RJ around a year or more ago on first deposit but took forever to get paid but thats another issue...

The way a few members in the forum behave leaves no wonder why some reps don't find the time to respond.

I was just looking and these casinos are accredited? I don't know how these casinos can be with bogus Randoms? ...
Its unfathomable, or if its for real I would love to know how they pulled it off!

Some of the comments I've read in this thread are quite thoughtless and border on the "shit stirring" mentality that seems to be so common these days. Whatever happened to "Hey, I think there is a problem here. Could you please explain why this is?"? Instead, we have to wade through yet another massive "casinos are cheats and thieves" thread.

... on several occasions and have infact found that I have been disconnected by an administrator. Personally, I think it's BS. They are still getting my play and disconnecting a player is not letting the RNG do it's job naturally. This is roguish behavior and it's been done at accredited casinos. I can't tell you how many times I was disconnected by an admin at Casino Titan, Clubworld, and even Rushmore...

How do you know an administrator cut you off? I'd be great if you could provide us with more details on this. Perhaps in another thread. Thanks!

...BTW I see a lot of people are complaining about the mis-use of the thanks button. Well youve seen a good example in the previous post. Someone replies to a post that addresses a lot of relevant issues with "WOW! Are you for real!" and someone thanks them. No wonder a lot of members with a lot of knowledge to share dont bother these days.
...

I'll be addressing this inappropriate use of the thanks button in another thread. I'll provide the URL when I'm done.

 

[chayton]

I haven't played at Rushmore for awhile, but I remember when they first started, they had some HUGE RJs. Personally I always though it was because they had a lot of high rollers playing there - when you have people betting $20+ per spin, the jackpots climb a lot faster. No matter where you play, if there's a game with a big jackpot, the numbers climb faster - more people are playing and most of them are betting higher to increase their chances of winning.

There was a lady that was a member here who won a random jackpot at iNetBet - it was somewhere around $12K if I remember right. Not too long after, she won another one - she was using her first win as a bankroll, so was betting higher. Then she posted that she was betting $100 per spin on another game with a great big RJ but that she didn't win it but that she'd driven up the jackpot for the rest of us.

I've never won a random jackpot - probably because at RTG I normally do a 'hit and run' kind of thing, I'll go into a game and do about 10 spins, if it's not paying out and no features are in sight, I leave and try another game. No matter how big the jackpot is. But if I won a random jackpot of $4K and there was one for $20K, I'd use my first win (well, part of it) to hammer on that one to see if I could get the big one. But that's just me.

All I have to do is get that first one!

 

[zap987]

In the long run there is only one reason why one casino would have bigger jackpots than other RTGs. If the trigger chance is lower then the jackpots will hit less often for higher amounts, and this would not affect RTP at all.

Having many high rollers, many people playing or many games pooled would make the jackpot rise faster but it would also hit more often. Only the chance to trigger the random jackpot can affect the average jackpot size.

 

[gerilege]

I think the reason is that this group seeds the jackpots at a higher initial amount and they connect more games together than others.
Check it also at another casinos, in some you can find 6-7 different jackpot amounts. I am not sure in the exact number of RTG RS slots, I assume they have 40-50, so I count with 40 in my following example.
Casino A does not link individual Reel Series slots at all, all of their 40 JPs are hit at $2.000 in average (80.000 in JP amounts).
Casino B links 2 slots to one jackpot, so in fact they only have 20 jackpots, and they are hit at $4.000 in average
Casino C links 5 slots to one jackpot, so in fact they only have 8 jackpots, and they are hit at $10.000 in average
Casino D links 10 slots to one jackpot, so in fact they only have 4 jackpots, and they are hit at $20.000 in average
Casino E links 20 slots to one jackpot, so in fact they only have 2 jackpots, and they are hit at $40.000 in average
You can check in the lobby or by entering the game how many significantly different RJs exist in the casino, divide the number of games by the number of different JPs, and you know how many games are linked to one RJ, you can even see exactly which individual RS slots are linked.
If games are linked, they seed the same JP, and if won, the JP resets at all games. There is nothing unfair in that.

 

[darkpixie]

Some of the comments I've read in this thread are quite thoughtless and border on the "shit stirring" mentality that seems to be so common these days. Whatever happened to "Hey, I think there is a problem here. Could you please explain why this is?"? Instead, we have to wade through yet another massive "casinos are cheats and thieves" thread.

Well we all type before we think from time to time, I apologize if I upset anyone by my comments. Regardless we have all had some very valid queries which continue to go unanswered.

How do you know an administrator cut you off? I'd be great if you could provide us with more details on this.

I can answer this for you. In real mode in some RTG casinos, if you leave the client to spin forevermore at any bet amount it seems a grey 'oops' type of box pops up to inform you that the Administrator has disconnected your session. Not that you timed out or or lost connection, those are different messages but the Administrator has actually stopped your play. I don't have any money to play with right now, blew my weekly budget on MG or I would recreate the error for you and post a screenshot.

 

[all4greed]

Where do you get the cheating bit from? What makes you think anyone is cheating?

I know people that commonly play $20+ per spin so those wins are only 500-750x bet...Ive hit some of them myself. Hell, they may have been betting $100 a spin so thats only 100-150x bet. Considering they were all hit by the same person, I can almost gaurantee they are a high roller.

Its like the winner screenies thread with the huge hits on $25+ spins - sure they're big, but imagine how much it costs when it isnt paying out.

I'm still waiting to see the evidence to back up the accusations by some members here that a CM Accredited Casino is falsely inflating their RJs and then not paying them out to real people.....these aren't opinions people, they are straight up accusations that Rushmore is committing fraud...and they are totally baseless.

Disgraceful IMO.

Please don't take things so literal when I added a little smiley face. Guess I'll have to think twice how things come across.

Lighten up...

 

[takethemoney]

Well we all type before we think from time to time, I apologize if I upset anyone by my comments. Regardless we have all had some very valid queries which continue to go unanswered.



I can answer this for you. In real mode in some RTG casinos, if you leave the client to spin forevermore at any bet amount it seems a grey 'oops' type of box pops up to inform you that the Administrator has disconnected your session. Not that you timed out or or lost connection, those are different messages but the Administrator has actually stopped your play. I don't have any money to play with right now, blew my weekly budget on MG or I would recreate the error for you and post a screenshot.

You said what I was trying to say. Usually the reasons I let it run are that I am trying to make the playthrough on a bonus at a small bet amount, to keep safe and not blow my bankroll too fast, or I am playing continuously for a shot at an RJ. Apparently the casino operators don't like this kind of play and will disconnect you. I can always log right back in, but if I'm sleeping, this has directly stopped my game.

 

[all4greed]

... Perhaps if some of you contacted more than one casino rep - you could have gotten this answer...

The way a few members in the forum behave leaves no wonder why some reps don't find the time to respond.

Well to recap and these are just my inquiries:

Support contacted, can't help, refers me to technical support
Technical support contacted, no response
Rep here doesn't respond (although they have been absent for part of this)
Manager says give me a couple days and I MIGHT be able to give you that info.

"We also need to check with higher management if we are able to provide this information to other players."

Who else at Rushmore is there to contact?

 

[all4greed]

Thats because Inetbet is a much bigger casino than the whole Rushmore group.

Do you have a source for that? INetBet has no where near those type of overall single big payouts and they post the big winners in their newsletter monthly. If INetBET is bigger, one would expect to see payouts that equal or top what I've read here.

I've been on their newsletter a few times just for 1k royals...

 

[darkpixie]

Inet has a historical account of their RJ winners going back to 2003 on their website if anyone on is interested in taking a look.

 

[Tengil]

Do you have a source for that? INetBet has no where near those type of overall single big payouts and they post the big winners in their newsletter monthly. If INetBET is bigger, one would expect to see payouts that equal or top what I've read here.

I've been on their newsletter a few times just for 1k royals...

Inetbet only lists so called JP wins, not feature wins.

And Inetbet has been along for ages, have a better rep, more players, more highrollers (obviously) etc. Thats what I gathered from some affiliates and putting things together.

 

[funeral979]

Just a few observations about Casino33, since I play there the most: They have 8 different random jackpot amounts....not counting the games with the major and minor jackpots. Unless I counted incorrectly, there are 66 RSVS with randoms (this figure does not include Three Stooges, Medal Tally, etc)


All of their RJs used to be between $1,000-$2,500. Then about 2 weeks ago many of them shot up.......6 of the 8 different amounts are now between $5,000-$9,600....so im assuming they linked a few more together. And I am sure they have a considerably smaller player base than Rushmore and Inet.

I also found the following tidbit interesting which I have never heard before:




Andy: If they have the same dollar amount they linked at that moment
funeral979: ok...
Andy: As soon as someone plays on a specific slot and raises the jackpot it stops being linked and goes on top of the rest or below the rest
Andy: Any other questions Chris?


I wonder if this is true at all RTGs?

 

[darkpixie]

As soon as someone plays on a specific slot and raises the jackpot it stops being linked and goes on top of the rest or below the rest

I don't get it. If this was the case the casinos would go broke, as they are stacking JPs that don't exist in terms of real money. Am I reading this wrong?

 

[funeral979]

I don't get it. If this was the case the casinos would go broke, as they are stacking JPs that don't exist in terms of real money. Am I reading this wrong?

Im not really sure myself. My only guess is that if someone is playing on, say Paydirt, and the RJ is $6700.... if someone is playing on it enough and raises it to the next grouped amount (say, $6900) then it becomes a part of that 'group'.

I don't know if that makes sense or not....but thats my guess.

 

[darkpixie]

So in this case would the whole group go back down to $1000 or whatever the seed amount is when someone hits just one JP?

I don't see this as being a viable way of doing things. It seems pretty bizarre.

 

[all4greed]

Just as a reminder people, Louise stated that these are RJ wins. They are not players betting big so don't get sidetracked by whatever else you are thinking. I've bolded her pertinent statements.

Therefore, the questions still are:

What dates were these wins?
Was any random jackpot won where the money was returned to the jackpot?

Don't complicate it any further than that or get stressed because players are questioning things.

May 13, 2010, 08:43AM
Hi,

I can state that 100%, those random jackpots are won and are not there for eye-candy purposes!

You can find the winners feeds here which are genuine (!):

xxxhttp://www.rushmoreonline.com/WinnersCorner
xxxhttp://www.cherryredcasino.com/WinnersCorner
xxxhttp://www.slotsoasis.com/WinnersCorner

Kind regards,

Louise
Rushmore, Cherry Red & Slots Oasis Rep.


May 16, 2010, 01:05AM
These are legit RJ wins - They are updated from our admins on a monthly basis from player's accounts - Legit accounts and legit wins.

When the RJs set back, they set back to a minimum of $1000-$2000, in some cases they set back at a higher number, such as $4000, hence why the RJ can be won next month in high figures.

You're all an increasingly tough crowd to please! I don't come to post here in order to lie and have an ulterior motive for something.

If anyone needs assistance with anything, I am available via PM.

Thanks,

Louise
Rushmore, Cherry Red & Slots Oasis Rep.

 

[darkpixie]

FYI: Received response from Louise today:
This is not even theoretically possible. But that is my opinion.

Hi,

Thanks for the PM.

These players were not playing on a free chip.

That is how much was paid out on that one slot machine in one month. The wins and players are genuine.

Regards,

Louise.

 

[Louise]

Hi everyone,

I have received only half of the results (times and dates of RJ wins) back from our reports team, and need to rush out of the office now, so will wait until Sunday most likely until I have the rest of the results and post them here.

Regards,

Louise
Rushmore, Cherry Red and Slots Oasis Rep.

 

[all4greed]

If and when I get a response, I'll post the data. Anyone want to bet those are going to be stated as true random jackpot wins, not reloaded jackpots?

----------
Hi,

Your email is being dealt with today most likely. Apologies for the reply. I do see it red starred in the inbox to be replied to once more info was found out for you.

Regards,

Louise.

 

[darkpixie]

So this is where this thread stands:

Data posted on the winners corner pages for Rushmore's group according to their Rep Louise is the following:

1. Strictly Random Jackpot wins
2. Authentic, meaning that they were not hit on a free chip and then placed back into the RJ to be hit again.
3. In the case of a few of them, won multiple times during the first 15 or so days of May of 2010 for VERY high amounts.

I am sure I am not the only person here wanting to know, how is this possible?

Can we please take this thread back on track and get some answers?

 

[maphesto]

So this is where this thread stands:

Data posted on the winners corner pages for Rushmore's group according to their Rep Louise is the following:

1. Strictly Random Jackpot wins
2. Authentic, meaning that they were not hit on a free chip and then placed back into the RJ to be hit again.
3. In the case of a few of them, won multiple times during the first 15 or so days of May of 2010 for VERY high amounts.

Exactly!

.

I am sure I am not the only person here wanting to know, how is this possible?

Hehe, we all want to know! This is currently for me the second most important thread at CM when it comes to games and not gambling industry.
The most important issue at the moment is MGS Pai Gow.

Can we please take this thread back on track and get some answers?

I think the thread is on track because Louise is gathering more info and will return with more info at Sunday earliest.

 

[darkpixie]

I missed the Sunday bit somehow. Thanks

 

[all4greed]

So this is where this thread stands:

Data posted on the winners corner pages for Rushmore's group according to their Rep Louise is the following:

1. Strictly Random Jackpot wins
2. Authentic, meaning that they were not hit on a free chip and then placed back into the RJ to be hit again.
3. In the case of a few of them, won multiple times during the first 15 or so days of May of 2010 for VERY high amounts.

I am sure I am not the only person here wanting to know, how is this possible?

Can we please take this thread back on track and get some answers?

No word from management to me so it will be a race between Louise and if I get a response.

For most readers of this thread, it should be pretty obvious what the outcome will be. How it plays out from there is also predictable.

Maybe Sharon T. can make a guest appearance!

 

[The Dude]

I'm getting ready to step out for a couple of weeks, so I hope you guys can handle this tactfully.

I'm also asking RTG to come up with a FAQ on their random jackpots so we can answer some of these questions for good.

In fact, if one of you would like to list a series of questions that could be used for an FAQ, that would be fantastic. Thanks!

 

[darkpixie]

Great Idea CM. So the questions don't get lost maybe we should create a separate thread to post them? Or would you prefer we send you a list of questions via PM

 

[The Dude]

Great Idea CM. So the questions don't get lost maybe we should create a separate thread to post them? Or would you prefer we send you a list of questions via PM

Please start a new thread since this one is long enough already.

 

[takethemoney]

I'm getting ready to step out for a couple of weeks, so I hope you guys can handle this tactfully.

I'm also asking RTG to come up with a FAQ on their random jackpots so we can answer some of these questions for good.

In fact, if one of you would like to list a series of questions that could be used for an FAQ, that would be fantastic. Thanks!

A couple weeks?!?! What are we gonna do without you? Have fun man!

 

[lots0]

Interesting conversation about the random jackpots.

A FAQ from RTG and one from Rushmore and Inet would be really good.

Some misconceptions that I see here; people that are comparing Inet to Rushmore... that is like comparing grapefruit to limes. They are two different business with two completely different management/ownership... not to mention that they just run things differently. Don't get me wrong, I am not saying either is 'bad', I am saying they are different and they do things differently, so you really can't compare them logically. Saying that one handles Random Jackpots one way, so the other must handle them the same way as well, just does not make any sense to me.

I have a really strong feeling that once Rushmore explains how they handle the RJ, most folks will be saying how they wished Inet would do the same... After all, BIGGER JACKPOTS are better!

Disclaimer: Ya I promote Rushmore... IMHO they are a good outfit, that plays fair and I don't say that about many.

 

[all4greed]

Interesting conversation about the random jackpots.

A FAQ from RTG and one from Rushmore and Inet would be really good.

Some misconceptions that I see here; people that are comparing Inet to Rushmore... that is like comparing grapefruit to limes. They are two different business with two completely different management/ownership... not to mention that they just run things differently. Don't get me wrong, I am not saying either is 'bad', I am saying they are different and they do things differently, so you really can't compare them logically. Saying that one handles Random Jackpots one way, so the other must handle them the same way as well, just does not make any sense to me.

I have a really strong feeling that once Rushmore explains how they handle the RJ, most folks will be saying how they wished Inet would do the same... After all, BIGGER JACKPOTS are better!

Disclaimer: Ya I promote Rushmore... IMHO they are a good outfit, that plays fair and I don't say that about many.

What do you mean by run things different? We are talking about random jackpots, right?

 

[lots0]

What do you mean by run things different? We are talking about random jackpots, right?

Yup, we are talking about random jackpots.

Not my place to say to much about how the casinos do things, that should be up to the casinos themselves to say or not.

When I say differently, I mean differently.
Some pool funds, some don't. Some have set a low contribution percentage others have different(higher) percentages... See what I mean, 'Different'.

 

[all4greed]

Louise posted on the Cherry Random thread today but it should really be here:

I'm in the process of getting some more info on the dates of wins for those 4 players on the Winners' Corner on Rushmore - 2 of the players won on Pay Dirt and 2 on Robertas Castle in the same month.

I so far have the results for 2 of the players, and personally checked these accounts and can see their balances for when they hit these jackpots and can see they are legit etc - At least these 2 players were not playing on any kind of max-cashout bonus, so both players at least had the option of cashing out all of their balance should they wish to - Hence, the RJ win monies were not placed back in to the slot machines.

As it's Sunday, I will not be receiving results back concerning the other two players until after the weekend, so will delay posting the full results until then.

Thanks,

Louise
Rushmore, Cherry Red & Slots Oasis Rep.

 

[lots0]

I, for one, have no doubt whatsoever that the jackpot winners were valid and were paid.

 

[slafs]

I have always assumed that the ones winning several RJs in a short time are 'whales' betting $50 or $100 a spin. Dunno if there are any out there who regularly play at these levels, but if they do there's no winder they hit RJs so often - they simply buy more "tickets" then pretty much the rest of us combined..

 

[darkpixie]

One casino would need ALOT of whales to generate Random Jackpots that go from $5K to $110K in less than a month. And if they actually had that many whales the odds of the same 'whale' hitting the same jackpot on the same game within a month are pretty slim. And if there are that many whales, why do they only appear to play only at Rushmore and various Rogue Casinos (which are the only other ones that I see RJ's going up like gas pumps). I never see the RJ's go up like this at Inet (I use Inet only as an example here, you would be hard pressed to find another accredited RTG casino with similar results).

Similarily, if you examine the MGS progressives, the ones that are linked across the entire network the ONLY game that gets even close to these kind of numbers in terms of growth is the Mega Moolah Jackpots. And that is a lot of players being pooled across a lot of casinos.

Even RTG's own NETWORKED JP's do not get that kind of play, and from what I understand those are managed and paid by RTG when they are hit.

If you want to look deeper into the data all it takes is a quick peek at xxxhttp://slotcharts.com.

 

[lots0]

why do they only appear to play only at Rushmore and various Rogue Casinos

Rushmore is NOT a Rogue casino. That accusation/insinuation is way out of line.

And your observations are just that, observations, by an untrained, non-professional person with an obvious grudge or chip on their shoulder toward the Rushmore group.

Show some data... convince me with facts... your not going to convince anyone by slinging around mud, speculation and accusations, you can't or won't back up with hard data.

 

[darkpixie]

Kindly point out where exactly I accused Rushmore of being a Rogue casino?

If you are referring to this:

Rushmore and various Rogue Casinos

I will have you know I was very careful about my wording that I did not in any way infer Rushmore was a Rogue casino!!!! (especially after getting my hand slapped a few posts ago)

At the present time Rushmore's group of casinos is still on the accredited list to the best of my knowledge.

Please do not read into things what is not there, had the statement been "Rushmore and OTHER rogue casinos" then you might have a case to accuse me of accusing... Geez. Take a chill pill.

In terms of Data, we have brought to light a ton of data, short of smacking people on the head with it.. Perhaps you can compile your own contradictory data which proves these payouts are absolutely possible.

That's the magic of data after all when two opposing parties do not have ALL the data. They will often come up with two different conclusions depending on what their general thoughts or even motives are.

I assure you that I have absolutely NO chip on my shoulder in terms of Rushmore Group, I have never so much as taken a free chip there let alone deposit there. To state my motives as plainly as possible I simply want to make sure that we are doing our due diligence as players to ensure we are frequenting casinos that are offering a fair game. If you are running a casino, you need to realize that you are going to be up for scrutiny at any given time. Especially on these boards.

I am honestly at a loss to why you are so emotional over it? How does it affect you? Why does it matter to you if a handful of players are saying, hold up! Just what is going on here?

The numbers are simply not adding up for me so please, if they are for you state your case before you accuse me and others of slinging mud.

Thank you!

 

[lots0]

That accusation/insinuation is way out of line.

Yes I did note your 'careful' wording. Did you note mine?

The numbers are simply not adding up for me so please, if they are for you state your case before you accuse me and others of slinging mud.

Back up a little... your the one making the accusations/insinuation's here... and yes this entire thread and the other thread about Cherry Red Casino is as well FILLED with your accusations/insinuations against the Rushmore Group.

Just because you don't understand something does not make it "bad" or a "rip off".

In terms of Data, we have brought to light a ton of data, short of smacking people on the head with it

Please hit me over the head with the hard data... Please show it to me. Because so far there is not one single thing that has been presented in this thread that even comes close to proof or evidence of your insinuation's.

I am honestly at a loss to why you are so emotional over it? How does it affect you? Why does it matter to you if a handful of players are saying, hold up! Just what is going on here?

First of all I am not emotional about this... lol. When I get emotional Bryan or Max kicks me out of here for a while...
I guess you did not read my disclaimer in my first post in this thread.
I promote the Rushmore Group. I am am affiliate of theirs and I trust them after having watched them do honest business with both affs and players for years and years.

But don't get me wrong, if you show me 'proof' I'll be the first and loudest voice against the Rushmore Group... But you got to show me proof... Like they did with Absolute Poker. I used to promote Absolute Poker, till I saw proof they were cheating... now I am one of the few that keeps them on a blacklist.


From what I see you and one or two others seem to be on a quest to smear the Rushmore groups reputation, for whatever reason.

Why would I care what a few people say? Because your saying it in a very public place and as you well know, a lot of people read what is written here. This is a good place to try to smear a casinos reputation if you have a mind too, been done before.

I guess I don't understand your involvement. You said you never played there... so why the interest in the Rushmore Group?

If you are really looking out for players best interests and you really have no axe to grind against the Rushmore Group.. I can point you to about 150+ really bad online casinos that you can go on a legit rampage against.. with my and the entire reputable online gambling community's thanks and support.

Going after the Rushmore Group you are just flat barking up the wrong tree.

 

[takethemoney]

I have always assumed that the ones winning several RJs in a short time are 'whales' betting $50 or $100 a spin. Dunno if there are any out there who regularly play at these levels, but if they do there's no winder they hit RJs so often - they simply buy more "tickets" then pretty much the rest of us combined..

Please allow me to help you blow that theory. I took a 200% bonus on a $100 deposit at Cherry Red last year, so I started with a $300 bankroll. I was down to $230, sitting on my bed, folding some clothes with Sunken Treasure on autoplay at $1 per spin. I looked up and the machine had stopped and the RJ amount was flashing and in my balance. $10500+ A few days after that I was sleeping with the machine set on autoplay and hit $20,600+ The machine was set to $1.20 per spin. Another few days and I won over $10600 playing Mystic Dragon. This time I was betting $6.25 per spin.

Louise is more than welcome to confirm that this is what happened for you guys.

 

[darkpixie]

I am insinuating nothing, I am asking a simple question.

And that question simplified to just ONE example at this casino is:

How is it possible to have an RJ on one game go from $45K to $5K up to $110K in a months time, essentially getting hit twice by the SAME player when similar results are not present at any other casino running the EXACT same software with the EXACT same casino back-end controls (if they even exist).

Their casino rep Louise has been trying to get us some answers to our queries and as she does so more questions come about.

Just because you don't understand something does not make it "bad" or a "rip off".

Just because I don't understand something, does not mean that I should not question it. In fact I believe strongly that if someone doesn't understand something, questioning it is the FIRST thing you should do and the answers to those questions shall be your guide.

The data is right there on the winners corner coupled with the answers provided thus far by Louise. Any other private banking and players logs etc of the casinos I have yet to be privy of. (and strongly doubt I will ever be) If you can offer insight to this data I am happy to hear it. In fact I am here encouraging you or anyone else to come forward with information that proves irrevocably that the RJ's and the players are for real. If proven to be for real I would probably become a player myself. But not a minute sooner.

I used to promote Absolute Poker, till I saw proof they were cheating... now I am one of the few that keeps them on a blacklist.

And how do you think the proof of cheating ultimately came about? One person started asking questions, and then another and another. Something didn't seem right. Had no one every said anything about Absolute Poker cheating, they would still be to this day happily carrying on bilking the players out of millions.

I can point you to about 150+ really bad online casinos

I totally get that, however none of these 150+ bad casinos are receiving endorsements of accreditation from CM, whom I believe to be a pretty fair and reputable site. So you have to see that people come to this site, often after having been burned by one of these places, and place their ultimate trust in the casinos that are accredited here, because they have been cleared as safe to play at by CM himself. The problem is, that CM like anyone else can not keep on top of things 100% and to a certain degree needs to rely on its membership to ensure that the Accredited casinos continue to stay in line. Historically there have been several casinos which have graced the Accredited page which ultimately fell to doom and were rogued and even now out of business entirely. Case in point is Hype Casino. Great fun while it lasted but they didn't stick around.

I assure you I am not out to get Rushmore Group for any reason. If the same thing started happening at any of the other accredited RTG casino's I would question those too.

Further to why I care more about an accredited group than the 150+ other crappy casinos, and this goes to the 'whats in it for me' factor is that IF accredited casino A is engaging in unfair practices then they are taking deposits and play away from accredited casino B(who is playing fair). Ultimately making my experience at Casino B worse. But that is a total other post as to why I think this is true.

Going after the Rushmore Group you are just flat barking up the wrong tree.

Show me.

In terms of you being an affiliate, I'm not even going to go there.

 

[lots0]

...Show me.

I think takethemoney's last post did just show you.

In terms of you being an affiliate, I'm not even going to go there.

Why not? You make it sound like a bad thing. It's not.
I'm PROUD to be an affiliate.
Without affilaites like me, a lot more people would be getting ripped off every day.

Oh ya... as far as Absolute Poker... they are still in business and doing great making tons of money with a lot of people still promoting them. Sometimes the world really sucks.

 

[darkpixie]

All that takethemoney's post is an example of is that a player can hit multiple RJ's on different games within a short amount of time at bets less than $100 to $50 a spin.

Speaks nothing to RJ's going up exponentially in a short period of time and getting hit repeatedly by the same player on the same game.

It also doesn't discuss the pain in the ass it was to get his money, and the way the individual players RTP kicked in VERY soon after hitting those JP's, but that is takethemoney's story to tell not mine.

 

[takethemoney]

All that takethemoney's post is an example of is that a player can hit multiple RJ's on different games within a short amount of time at bets less than $100 to $50 a spin.

Speaks nothing to RJ's going up exponentially in a short period of time and getting hit repeatedly by the same player on the same game.

It also doesn't discuss the pain in the ass it was to get his money, and the way the individual players RTP kicked in VERY soon after hitting those JP's, but that is takethemoney's story to tell not mine.

I don't wish to tell that story ad nauseum, however if it tells you anything, my accounts with the Rushmore group are all closed. I gave ample deposits to prove that whatever black cloud was put over my gaming after I hit those randoms would not go away, no matter how many deposits. When that happens, there IS NOTHING else to do. I've still not decided if this "individual RTP" as has been put, follows me globally across the RTG network, but my experience indicates that it has and I have stopped playing seriously at any of them, with the exception of a $52 deposit in the past 3 months. Interestingly, while I was having many exchanges with my VIP manager about what could be happening with my play, I was talked down to in a very condescending manner, getting no answers that made sense, only that none of my beliefs or supposed knowlege about RTG's RTP settings were true. I had obvious take down mode after take down. Anyway, I finally just tired of the way the guy was treating me. Another female VIP rep began communicating with me from the same email address, but she became equally as condescending. Finally, I just asked for my accounts to be closed. I was made to feel like a despised player and until I asked, I'm sure the only reason my accounts remained open were for them to try and recoup my wins.

I really need someone else to win a great sum of money there so they can experience this and tell me that it's not just in my head or it's not just me.

As for the subject at hand, there are two things I know for a fact:

The jackpots can be set to start at $5000, which is the point they will reset to after the RJ is hit.
The rate they accumulate at can be set.

I had contacted support and asked why I had noticed no movement of the RJ on T-Rex once. Tech got back to support, then support told me that tech had told them that slot was "set" to move up 1c for every 50 spins at $1. Now, my theory is that this can be set at a very low accumulation rate for awhile, then when the casino has taken in it's goal, they can up the accumulation rate to make the RJ amount move up much faster.

 

[darkpixie]

they can up the accumulation rate to make the RJ amount move up much faster

I am hoping to a max of 1.5%

This little tidbit sure explains my theory that the higher the JP the tighter the machine.. I purposely don't play the really large ones cause they just suck suck suck the money out. I would almost say behavior such as this is rogueish as it really puts those players that chase these JP's at an overall disadvantage.

Honestly, it would be a much better game if it was x per $1 spin with the RJ not seeded with anything, and the amounts not getting pumped up and down depending on what the casino fancies. If I play a game I have a reasonable expectation of losing, however I also have a reasonable expectation of enjoying myself while I lose, when they are sucking 1.5% of my RTP into an RJ I have never hit and probably never will. Well that sucks.

 

[all4greed]

...
I had contacted support and asked why I had noticed no movement of the RJ on T-Rex once. Tech got back to support, then support told me that tech had told them that slot was "set" to move up 1c for every 50 spins at $1. Now, my theory is that this can be set at a very low accumulation rate for awhile, then when the casino has taken in it's goal, they can up the accumulation rate to make the RJ amount move up much faster.

$50 wagered for a .01 increase. Wonder why that would be set so low. Then what is the range that RJ's can be set to accrue?

I don't understand why any casino would feel the need to tamper with it except to keep more money.

 

[darkpixie]

The BC Lottery Corporation does something similar on their site for bingo. The start the JP off at $150, if it gets hit at that the player gets it, no questions asked. The pot however does not start to grow until $150 has been returned to the JP kitty from regular play. They do not change the % that goes to the casino, player, or JP at any time. And this is how it should be.

 

[takethemoney]

$50 wagered for a .01 increase. Wonder why that would be set so low. Then what is the range that RJ's can be set to accrue?

I don't understand why any casino would feel the need to tamper with it except to keep more money.

Bingo! I wish things were like an Indian casino I go to. The $1 progressives go up like 5c everytime you spin the reels. I recently played one there where the progressive was over $12,000. It was actually paying out pretty decent. I went back there the next weekend and saw that it had been hit. The jackpot was $1100. I actually like where you must hit static reel symbols, vs., a random jackpot, but that's just me.

 

[darkpixie]

I think the closest you will get to that online is MGS Tunzamunni, a quarter a spin and that jackpot gets hit all the time.

 

[all4greed]

Since there was no response, I'll fill in the dates from my own post:

5/9/10 Sandra M. United States Robertas Castle (Video Slots) $28,319.65
5/4/10 Frances F. United States Robertas Castle (Video Slots) $27,017.18

So it was won 5 days later. Appears to be a linked game.

Appears Sandra M. had a good time playing:

5/3/2010 $20,500 Roberta's Castle Sandra M.
5/5/2010 $26,928 Roberta's Castle Sandra M.
5/8/2010 $12,001 Roberta's Castle Sandra M.
5/9/2010 $28,320 Roberta's Castle Sandra M.
5/12/2010 $8,999 Roberta's Castle Sandra M.
5/13/2010 $7,800 Roberta's Castle Sandra M.

Total: $104,548

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