Rushmore Randoms

[darkpixie]

Very possible, takethemoney, very. I can much appreciate the difficult position she is in. However at the end of the day her job is Good PR to clients and prospective clients on behalf of the casino. If what is really going on is in contradiction with what her employers have told her is going on, then that can only reflect poorly on the casino and not their employees.

Louise herself is not under fire. The suspicious RJ situation is what is being examined. We are just looking for answers. Truthfully ones

 

[darkpixie]

Roberta's Castle 1000 spins later.
Bet = $100 a spin
Beginning Balance = $51000
Beginning RJ Balance = $29,872
Ending Balance = $24745
Ending RJ Balance = $30893
Net Loss = $26255

Not once did my balance increase over the original $51000 stake.

Also, keep in mind I had help building up that JP!!! The RJ was spinning away when I started and its still going.

Who in their right mind would spin $100 a shot on this slot on the slight chance they hit the RJ? Even if I had hit it it would be risking $25000 to be up $4000

Either they have REALLY stupid players or something is gone wrong, very very wrong.

 

[all4greed]

A question to Louise:
Did the first winner of Roberta's Castle have their winnings voided due to a free chip and then subsequently the funds were added back into the RJ, which a non free chip player later won? I think the casino needs to clarify this if this is so and promptly remove the freechip winners name and 'win' from its website as it is not in effect a legit win by a legit player and VERY false advertising. If you are trying to say that the casino paid out over $90K on one machine in one month I think you are going to need to provide a little more proof that this is not bogus. We are a tough crowd is right because some of us have been on the internet gambling longer than your group of casinos have been around and we can smell when something is fishy. Very fishy....

I didn't get a emailed response back as to the dates these were hit.

Louise:

What two dates were these random jackpots hit?

 

[all4greed]

With all due respect, is it possible that Louise might not know how it works? She certainly wouldn't be the first manager, who's primary job was to be a manager of customer relations, who had no idea how the actual systems worked. Being very nice and very professional, which Louise is, is certainly no guarantee of competence in the technical department.

I agree.

I would just like a response as to what dates they were hit on. Since neither support or technical support knows (or can respond), she must be the one with that answer...

 

[Nifty29]

Roberta's Castle 1000 spins later.
Bet = $100 a spin
Beginning Balance = $51000
Beginning RJ Balance = $29,872
Ending Balance = $24745
Ending RJ Balance = $30893
Net Loss = $26255

Not once did my balance increase over the original $51000 stake.

Also, keep in mind I had help building up that JP!!! The RJ was spinning away when I started and its still going.

Who in their right mind would spin $100 a shot on this slot on the slight chance they hit the RJ? Even if I had hit it it would be risking $25000 to be up $4000

Either they have REALLY stupid players or something is gone wrong, very very wrong.

The main problem with your theory is that nobody knows how many players are spinning at any one time. For examply, 100 players wagering $1000 on that slot in one day would produce the same increase.....and considering the number of players that would be registered at Rushmore it isnt just possible, it is very likely. Again, it could be that 500 players each wagered $200. See what Im getting at? You seem to think that there are only 1 or 2 people playing a slot at any particular time - I think you will find it is far more than this on average so there is actually nothing 'fishy' about those RJ increases.

I also recall an RTG casino manager stating that the RJ % contribution could be altered within the 1-2% range, and that the default was actually 1.5%. So, it would take even less wagering than what you stated to achieve the same increase. This, coupled with a higher seed amount, explains why the RJ may be higher in some cases at Rushmore. Remember, we dont know how many active players they have - if they have more than Inetbet (which someone mentioned) AND the contribution is set at 2% then it stands to reason the amounts will be higher. We also have to remember that the RJ goes off based on spins rather than amounts (more complicated than that but the $ has nothing to do with it according to dogboy) so if there is a higher amount going into the post with each spin at Rushmore then the RJs will be generally higher.

There is no benefit to Rushmore whether the RJ goes off at $2000 or $200,000 - it still has to pay that contribution % back to someone, it just a matter of whether its smaller amounts to more people or big amounts to less people.

Insofar as saying that Rushmore Rjs are fake and nobody actually wins them......well Maphesto is on the ball I think when he says the Robertas Castle was probably hit with a max cashout bonus and Rushmore put the funds back (as they should). I'll bet if one of those belly-aching about it was to hit a RJ at Rushmore in the future, they wont be back here claiming that the RJ was 'climbing too fast/it was rigged/Rushmore are liars/etc etc ad nauseum' The fact that nobody here has hit one of the monster RJs means diddly squat. There would be thousands and thousands of Rushmore players who dont come here - what would you have them do? Have Rushmore force them to come and post here so you believe that someone actually won it? The casino provides heir name and surname. Do you want them to post copies of their ID/address/phone number so you can contact them to see if it is legit??? Sheesh.

It comes down to the same old story told by the same people over and over. One day they are here shouting 'cheat' here and 'liars' there and 'ripoff' everywhere - and a few days later they are back on the same old bandwagon after depositing again at the same place and losing! Or, they signup with a new casino and have a good win and post everywhere about how great the place is and how they are miles better than all the others blah blah blah.....and within a few weeks when they arent winning any more its back to 'they turned the win switch off' and 'they are deliberately setting my account to lose' and 'they have reduced their RTP since they opened'. FFS!! Can none of you see the pattern here????.

As far as someone who said they have made 103 deposits in a row and never been in a position to cashout.....Ive got $50 that says its a load of BS. My definition of 'being in a position to cashout' means anytime you have doubled your deposit (or possibly tripled on a small deposit $25/30). What you are saying (sorry I dont remember who said it) is that you never got to 2 or 3 x your deposit in 103 deposits......is anybody taking this seriously?? My bet is that you could have cashed out at least on a few occasions but you didnt, possibly because you want to win $5000 on a $20 deposit....well, who the hell knows why but if you can prove it Ill give you $50. Of course, without posting your entire play history over those 103 deposits including balances Im not sure how you're gonna prove it.....which also works the other way as nobody except the casino could dispute that with evidence and you know they aint gonna do that. Bottom line is that if you 'couldnt' cash out in 103 deposits, then there is something wrong with your methods or bankroll management - not the casino. Ive got nice RTG screenies here from the past few weeks so your assertion that you 'cant win' at any time is baseless. None of us win in the long run, regardless of what some others might claim, but we have all been in positions to cashout nice sums at one time or another and havent....but its not the casinos fault, it is our own.

Of course, like Max and Bryan, I just side with the casinos all the time as all the casinos pay me good money to post stuff here to defend them. In fact, it was Max and Bryan that got me the job and its easy money and great fun helping them to rip people off. Thanks guys!!

It comes down to credibility people. I dont object to anyone ranting or letting off steam or being p*ssed about losing, but when those people just keep going back and forth from casino to forum accusing all casinos, and even CM/Max, of what amounts to fraud and deception just because they lost money or cant manage their bankroll it makes their credibility, in my eyes, ZERO.

Enjoy the wins, and accept the losses - or dont gamble. Or, at least, dont blame everyone else for losing the money that you risked.

 

[darkpixie]

well Maphesto is on the ball I think when he says the Robertas Castle was probably hit with a max cashout bonus and Rushmore put the funds back (as they should)

Bingo! And that is what I am asking Louise.

Are you saying you agree with them posting the first hit that was ultimately put back in as a Legitimate win? Therefore giving prospective players the appearance that these crazy amounts are not only possible but happen every couple of days, on the same machine????

If the money in the pot is legitimate that is one thing and another topic, I'm not so much arguing that(though it is suspect). What I am wondering about is why they are posting confiscated RJ wins as real wins on their website which is a deceptive marketing ploy IMHO. I recall Inetbet recently made the same error, and the error was caught by the player in question and Inetbet corrected the mistake immediately. I don't think Rushmore would view this oversight as a mistake as they continue to insist it is a legitimate win.

Further to adding the confiscated RJ back to the pot, I find it strange that VERY soon after the RJ POPS again and a real winner gets it. This would appear to have happened on at least 2 occasions this month at Rushmore alone. Purely speculation here, but what is to stop the casino itself from hiring a ringer, staking them and having them play it out until they hit the RJ? Split the profits maybe? If so let me know and I'll send them my resume...


In terms of amounts of players any given casino has and their averaged out deposits it would sure be nice to know the figures but I doubt we will ever get anything close to real figures from any casinos. I can almost guarantee the numbers are down every since the US pulled out of the online gaming industry. Keep in mind also $100 a spin bettors are the exception and not the rule. I don't honestly believe 100 people a day would log in JUST to play Roberta's Castle. These 100 people must play other games too, but the other games are not running up like gas pumps are they...

And I do not believe for a minute that all of Rushmore's players deposit and immediately make a run for Roberta's Castle. I have been observing their RJs on a few different games over the last little while and strangely Roberta's is one of the only ones that seems to be going up like a gas pump at all hours. Now if I login to Inetbet I would be hard pressed to find a machine with similar results. Its an oddity for sure. Not to mention I find the hold on that game terrible! But that is just my own experience with it.

One thing I will say though is you are acting like this is all coming from sour grapes. I assure you it is not. I have ups and downs on this scene like everyone else, and I don't play with money I can not afford to lose. In fact I have never even deposited at Rushmore or its group and I doubt I ever will, I am not even a contender for these inflated RJ's, but I absolutely hate that unsuspecting players could be sucked into chasing one of these, especially playing on a bonus chip!

 

[funeral979]

FWIW, I had a chat last week with Cherry Red support, and they said they had somewhere in the nieghborhood of 65,000 active depositors across all their sites (I wasn't fishing for this information, they just supplied it- I asked why a player wasn't able to directly speak with the withdrawals departement, they said they would get bogged down with so many questions from so many different players) Not sure how large/small a number this is in relation to other casinos.

Also, as far as I know, none of the bonuses offered by the Rushmore group have max cashouts....and they rarely, if ever, give out free chips....so I think we can rule out the possibility of an illegitimate RJ win..

 

[darkpixie]

funeral979 absolutely no disrespect to you but a rep saying that in chat means absolutely nothing in my opinion. They could have said 65million or 6500. There is no way for the player to verify it and it could have been what was in their script to say to all users when they request to speak to the higher ups. I've worked in Customer Service before, as I am sure many of you have. White lies to placate the client/customer to give you time to sort out their issue for them.

 

[takethemoney]

The main problem with your theory is that nobody knows how many players are spinning at any one time. For examply, 100 players wagering $1000 on that slot in one day would produce the same increase.....and considering the number of players that would be registered at Rushmore it isnt just possible, it is very likely. Again, it could be that 500 players each wagered $200. See what Im getting at? You seem to think that there are only 1 or 2 people playing a slot at any particular time - I think you will find it is far more than this on average so there is actually nothing 'fishy' about those RJ increases.

I also recall an RTG casino manager stating that the RJ % contribution could be altered within the 1-2% range, and that the default was actually 1.5%. So, it would take even less wagering than what you stated to achieve the same increase. This, coupled with a higher seed amount, explains why the RJ may be higher in some cases at Rushmore. Remember, we dont know how many active players they have - if they have more than Inetbet (which someone mentioned) AND the contribution is set at 2% then it stands to reason the amounts will be higher. We also have to remember that the RJ goes off based on spins rather than amounts (more complicated than that but the $ has nothing to do with it according to dogboy) so if there is a higher amount going into the post with each spin at Rushmore then the RJs will be generally higher.

There is no benefit to Rushmore whether the RJ goes off at $2000 or $200,000 - it still has to pay that contribution % back to someone, it just a matter of whether its smaller amounts to more people or big amounts to less people.

Insofar as saying that Rushmore Rjs are fake and nobody actually wins them......well Maphesto is on the ball I think when he says the Robertas Castle was probably hit with a max cashout bonus and Rushmore put the funds back (as they should). I'll bet if one of those belly-aching about it was to hit a RJ at Rushmore in the future, they wont be back here claiming that the RJ was 'climbing too fast/it was rigged/Rushmore are liars/etc etc ad nauseum' The fact that nobody here has hit one of the monster RJs means diddly squat. There would be thousands and thousands of Rushmore players who dont come here - what would you have them do? Have Rushmore force them to come and post here so you believe that someone actually won it? The casino provides heir name and surname. Do you want them to post copies of their ID/address/phone number so you can contact them to see if it is legit??? Sheesh.

It comes down to the same old story told by the same people over and over. One day they are here shouting 'cheat' here and 'liars' there and 'ripoff' everywhere - and a few days later they are back on the same old bandwagon after depositing again at the same place and losing! Or, they signup with a new casino and have a good win and post everywhere about how great the place is and how they are miles better than all the others blah blah blah.....and within a few weeks when they arent winning any more its back to 'they turned the win switch off' and 'they are deliberately setting my account to lose' and 'they have reduced their RTP since they opened'. FFS!! Can none of you see the pattern here????.

As far as someone who said they have made 103 deposits in a row and never been in a position to cashout.....Ive got $50 that says its a load of BS. My definition of 'being in a position to cashout' means anytime you have doubled your deposit (or possibly tripled on a small deposit $25/30). What you are saying (sorry I dont remember who said it) is that you never got to 2 or 3 x your deposit in 103 deposits......is anybody taking this seriously?? My bet is that you could have cashed out at least on a few occasions but you didnt, possibly because you want to win $5000 on a $20 deposit....well, who the hell knows why but if you can prove it Ill give you $50. Of course, without posting your entire play history over those 103 deposits including balances Im not sure how you're gonna prove it.....which also works the other way as nobody except the casino could dispute that with evidence and you know they aint gonna do that. Bottom line is that if you 'couldnt' cash out in 103 deposits, then there is something wrong with your methods or bankroll management - not the casino. Ive got nice RTG screenies here from the past few weeks so your assertion that you 'cant win' at any time is baseless. None of us win in the long run, regardless of what some others might claim, but we have all been in positions to cashout nice sums at one time or another and havent....but its not the casinos fault, it is our own.

Of course, like Max and Bryan, I just side with the casinos all the time as all the casinos pay me good money to post stuff here to defend them. In fact, it was Max and Bryan that got me the job and its easy money and great fun helping them to rip people off. Thanks guys!!

It comes down to credibility people. I dont object to anyone ranting or letting off steam or being p*ssed about losing, but when those people just keep going back and forth from casino to forum accusing all casinos, and even CM/Max, of what amounts to fraud and deception just because they lost money or cant manage their bankroll it makes their credibility, in my eyes, ZERO.

Enjoy the wins, and accept the losses - or dont gamble. Or, at least, dont blame everyone else for losing the money that you risked.

How often do you deposit and play slots at RTGs? How many this year? I can tell you out of my last 71 deposits, I either didn't make the playthrough on my bonus or I never got ahead of my deposits with no bonus. Please be careful who you judge. I have been playing these casinos a long time and have noticed a gradual decline in my gaming results for the last 2 years, with this year making the slots unplayable, as far as I'm concerned. I have never expected not to lose some sessions, as I understand very well who has the edge....the house. I only gamble with money that will not effect my life if I lose it. Good entertainment is when you can deposit $50 or $100 and you get a few hours of play with some possibility of winning sometimes. What I have been seeing is more like a few minutes of play, an obvious shift, compared to the way it used to be. It used to be not uncommon for me to still be playing on the same deposit 3 days later.

But, this thread is about Random Jackpots, so back on track.

I honestly believe that if you are playing these slots for serious money these days, you are playing for the RJ, because that's the only way you're going to have a decent RTP, when it includes winning an RJ after losing so many deposits. It's like buying lottery tickets...and damn expensive ones too! When the RJs are getting into these huge amounts, nobody knows. I honestly believe you have a better chance at landing one of these jackpots in the casinos that typically pay off between $4000 and $5000, as example, compared to trying to hit these $25,000+ jackpots. Back when I hit Diamond Dozen at Cherry Red for over $20,000, I was actually sleeping, with the machine on autoplay at $1.20 per spin. I do know it's taken lots of exposure for me to hit the ones I have. I had been playing that machine none stop, pretty much for over a week.

 

[darkpixie]

Nifty29 I believe everyone has a right to be heard, being an open forum here, and I also believe that the players should be encouraged to discuss openly and freely any kind of bizarre behavior or occurrences at the casinos we frequent without the age old "don't cry because you gambled all your money away" speeches. If players didn't talk and engage in this sort of exercise, how will we know when a site goes rogue or is on their way? Isn't this what Casinomeister.com is all about? Player protection and information. Like I said, I don't have a direct complaint about this casino as I don't play there, but some players have alarms bells a ringing regarding their published stats and it warrants discussion.

 

[chuchu59]

Unless someone verifies that they can set the RJ's to being harder to hit I think it's pure coincidence that have sent the RJ amounts to such high levels.

However, if I am not mistaken, the bet size does influence your chances of hitting the RJs and a $1 bet has 5 times the chance of hitting than a $.20 bet. Furthermore, since the seed money is normally set at $1K the higher the RJ soars to the less the frequency of providing the seed money from the casino. As around 1.5% RTP is contributed to the RJ a higher amount means that more has been lost by the players.

In no way am I suggesting that Rushmore is tampering with the RJs. Since they should be truly random it is possible that the next wave of RJs can be won at the $2K or 3K levels.

 

[darkpixie]

I always figured RJ's worked a little like the lottery:


First: For each cent you pay you get a 'ticket', so a 20 cent bet you get 20 tickets, a dollar bet 100 tickets and so on. Each ticket has a number or series of numbers.

Every spin a random number(s) for the JP is picked, if it matches any one of you secret numbers on your 'tickets' you win.

I could be totally wrong but, that's the only way that it would make sense to me.

 

[Nifty29]

How often do you deposit and play slots at RTGs? How many this year? I can tell you out of my last 71 deposits, I either didn't make the playthrough on my bonus or I never got ahead of my deposits with no bonus. Please be careful who you judge. I have been playing these casinos a long time and have noticed a gradual decline in my gaming results for the last 2 years, with this year making the slots unplayable, as far as I'm concerned. I have never expected not to lose some sessions, as I understand very well who has the edge....the house. I only gamble with money that will not effect my life if I lose it. Good entertainment is when you can deposit $50 or $100 and you get a few hours of play with some possibility of winning sometimes. What I have been seeing is more like a few minutes of play, an obvious shift, compared to the way it used to be. It used to be not uncommon for me to still be playing on the same deposit 3 days later.

Well I dont feel comfortable outlining exactly how often I gamble in a public forum, but I can say I am a regular player and that RTG attracts the highest % of my deposits.

The fact you played with bonuses some of the time may increase your play time, but it actually decreases your cashout possibilities. Someone else mentioned that the more you spin, the more you lose....this is very true. Unfortunately, those who do everything they can to extend their play are shooting themselves in the foot when it comes to actually winning something....you cant have both.

An obvious shift? Do what I did a few months ago out of interest, and go right back to 2006 or 2004 etc and read the posts here at CM. Have a guess what a whole lot of them say?? "The slots have been tightened" "The RTP has definitely been reduced" "I dont get any play time anymore" "RTG are ripping everyone off" "MG slots are worse then ever". In other words, exactly the same as you and others are saying all the time. Now, if the payouts have been declining by a noticable amount for the past 10 years or even 5 years (as you would come to believe from reading CM over that time), then the RTP would be about 10% by now and NOBODY would win anything EVER - and that simply isnt true. Tell me, do you gamble exactly the same as you did 2 years ago? I know I dont. We all go through periods of winning and losing and most of us adjust our play over that time e.g. how much we bet, how much we cash out, how much we deposit. I believe it is us (the players) who change over time, not the slot payouts. The audited slot payouts from CM accred casinos are pretty much the same as they have always been, so you either think that they are all full of cr*p and that Bryan still recommends them regardless as he wants you to get ripped off, or you look elsewhere for the reason.

Its much easier to carry on about a casino cheating or ripping us off than it is to look inward and re-assess how you gamble. I know for a fact that I gamble a lot smarter than I did years ago and I have reaped the financial benefits.....but the whole process takes honesty and humility. However, as I said throwing around unfounded accusations is the easy road so happy travelling to those who stay on it

But, this thread is about Random Jackpots, so back on track.

Yes it was - and is - as the whole thread has shown that some dont understand how the whole RJ thing works - and there is nothing wrong with that BTW - but its pretty disappointing to see that many of those people arent interested in learning. Just take the easy road - after all, its easy.

So, it is actually relevant to the topic at hand which is RJs.

I honestly believe that if you are playing these slots for serious money these days, you are playing for the RJ, because that's the only way you're going to have a decent RTP, when it includes winning an RJ after losing so many deposits. It's like buying lottery tickets...and damn expensive ones too! When the RJs are getting into these huge amounts, nobody knows. I honestly believe you have a better chance at landing one of these jackpots in the casinos that typically pay off between $4000 and $5000, as example, compared to trying to hit these $25,000+ jackpots. Back when I hit Diamond Dozen at Cherry Red for over $20,000, I was actually sleeping, with the machine on autoplay at $1.20 per spin. I do know it's taken lots of exposure for me to hit the ones I have. I had been playing that machine none stop, pretty much for over a week

Yes, the RTP figure quoted by RTG casinos for specific games include the RJs...whch is between 1-2% of the total RTP. Would you notice the difference between a slot with an RTP of 96 and one of 94.5? Not unless you had a spreadsheet, enough money for a few million spins and a lot of time on your hands. Can you tell from a few hundred spins? No way on Earth.

As for having a better chance when the jackpots are smaller - yes you do. After all, they hit more often so it stands to reason. Mind you, there may well be more people playing the games at that casino so you might have more competition, so its difficult to measure. However, technically you have the same chance betting $1.20 when then RJ is $2000 than if it is $80,000. I know people who have had their PC set to spin .20c all night long and have been successful in hitting RJs, although it seems many casinos have a way of picking up on this and the managers started to disconnect accounts after an hour or two so that person doesnt bother any more.

Lottery tickets are a good example in regards to the more tickets you buy the better your chances. On these slots, the higher your bet the more 'tickets' you get per spin.

Are you saying you agree with them posting the first hit that was ultimately put back in as a Legitimate win? Therefore giving prospective players the appearance that these crazy amounts are not only possible but happen every couple of days, on the same machine????

No. Please point out where I said that. Rushmore should remove the 'non-winning' winners to reflect the reality of the situation.

If the money in the pot is legitimate that is one thing and another topic, I'm not so much arguing that(though it is suspect).

I'm confused. You say you are not arguing that the money in the pot is illegitimate, but then you say it is suspect. So which is it?

Further to adding the confiscated RJ back to the pot, I find it strange that VERY soon after the RJ POPS again and a real winner gets it. This would appear to have happened on at least 2 occasions this month at Rushmore alone. Purely speculation here, but what is to stop the casino itself from hiring a ringer, staking them and having them play it out until they hit the RJ? Split the profits maybe? If so let me know and I'll send them my resume...

If a RJ went off somewhere for say $7800, and then it went off a day or two later for $1,350 - would you be yelling 'cheat'?? Ive seen this happen on many occasions, and seen the same person win the same jackpot within 24 hrs (second one was like $1,080 or something). So, the fact that the Robs castle one went off within a few days just means when the RJ 'counter' was reset (which is what happens when the funds are replaced) it went off early. Nothing suspicious there at all.

Hiring a ringer? Staking them to win their own jackpot back?? Are you serious??? If you even believe 1% of what you said, why in hell do play at any online casino???? You say its speculation....I say its taking a swipe at Rushmore and then disguising it as some kind of joke. Its the kind of thing that grates my gears - spraying a whole lot of really accusatory and damaging rhetoric about a business and then avoiding the responsibility of backing up the claims by putting a lol or a or some other kind of hand-washing remark after it. Its all about credibility as I said - if you believe Rushmore does it then you would have to believe that possibly all RTGs do it (or CAN do it), so if you deposit at any RTG again then you lose your credibility. Its nothing personal, its just a fact. After all, you would be putting your money into the hands of people who you believe are cheats and liars - and I wouldnt take the word of anyone who knowingly did that.

In terms of amounts of players any given casino has and their averaged out deposits it would sure be nice to know the figures but I doubt we will ever get anything close to real figures from any casinos. I can almost guarantee the numbers are down every since the US pulled out of the online gaming industry. Keep in mind also $100 a spin bettors are the exception and not the rule. I don't honestly believe 100 people a day would log in JUST to play Roberta's Castle. These 100 people must play other games too, but the other games are not running up like gas pumps are they...

I think you will find there are lots more active slot players than you think. Also, how do you know that some 'whale's fav game isnt Robertas Castle? There are more $20-100 per spins players than you think also. Is it reasonable to believe that 100 people a day would log in just to play one slot? No - its probably far more than that. E.G. How many people do you think are playing ThunderstruckII right now?

Inetbet randoms have always tended to rise slowly, which may be due to lower player numbers or a lower % of contribution. The only time Ive seen them 'fly' is when the RJs are high - which is something else to consider - the higher the RJ gets the higher many people bet and therefor the faster it goes up etc etc.

One thing I will say though is you are acting like this is all coming from sour grapes. I assure you it is not. I have ups and downs on this scene like everyone else, and I don't play with money I can not afford to lose. In fact I have never even deposited at Rushmore or its group and I doubt I ever will, I am not even a contender for these inflated RJ's, but I absolutely hate that unsuspecting players could be sucked into chasing one of these, especially playing on a bonus chip!

I dont think you specifically are and I didnt say that either. Its a lack of understanding in many cases, and an unwillingness to understand.

If you dont wanna hit a RJ with a free chip - dont play a slot with a RJ with a free chip. Simple.

Nifty29 I believe everyone has a right to be heard, being an open forum here, and I also believe that the players should be encouraged to discuss openly and freely any kind of bizarre behavior or occurrences at the casinos we frequent without the age old "don't cry because you gambled all your money away" speeches. If players didn't talk and engage in this sort of exercise, how will we know when a site goes rogue or is on their way? Isn't this what Casinomeister.com is all about? Player protection and information. Like I said, I don't have a direct complaint about this casino as I don't play there, but some players have alarms bells a ringing regarding their published stats and it warrants discussion.

Yes everybody has the right of free speech - but along with the right comes a responsibility. If you want to make your opinion known, then you have to be prepared to have it challenged and be prepared to back it up- otherwise its just hot air. Do you think its OK for me to call someone a moron, and then when challenged as to why I think that I reply "because I just do"??

We arent talking about baseball cards or each others' haircuts here - Rushmore is an accredited casino and should not have unfounded accusations levelled against it.

Got some real proof that they are cheating or ripping people off? Im there with bells on. Until then, its just the same stuff Ive been reading here for 5+ years.

 

[takethemoney]

Wow Nifty! A very nice, well thought out post. I appreciate the effort. I'm headed off to bed now, but I will read your points again tomorrow.

One thing that stuck out, so far that you said, regarding setting it at .20c and letting it spin all night. I have actually done this on several occasions and have infact found that I have been disconnected by an administrator. Personally, I think it's BS. They are still getting my play and disconnecting a player is not letting the RNG do it's job naturally. This is roguish behavior and it's been done at accredited casinos. I can't tell you how many times I was disconnected by an admin at Casino Titan, Clubworld, and even Rushmore.

Yeah, yeah, they also probably could have spared me in some long losing sessions too. That is my decision to make...thank you very much.

The original question in this thread of why Rushmore's randoms are so high really hasn't been addressed. You don't see iNetbet this high, nor Clubworld, nor Casino Titan. I know for a fact iNetbet has at least as many customers playing as Rushmore. Now, I do know, as it was revealed by a manager, that the accumulation rate can be adjusted. I was told one time when I was playing T-Rex for every 50 spins at $1 the RJ increased .01c So, it might be possible that Rushmore has decided to adust this accumulation rate to make the jackpot amount grow faster.

 

[slotjunkie]

Well I dont feel comfortable outlining exactly how often I gamble in a public forum, but I can say I am a regular player and that RTG attracts the highest % of my deposits.

The fact you played with bonuses some of the time may increase your play time, but it actually decreases your cashout possibilities. Someone else mentioned that the more you spin, the more you lose....this is very true. Unfortunately, those who do everything they can to extend their play are shooting themselves in the foot when it comes to actually winning something....you cant have both.

An obvious shift? Do what I did a few months ago out of interest, and go right back to 2006 or 2004 etc and read the posts here at CM. Have a guess what a whole lot of them say?? "The slots have been tightened" "The RTP has definitely been reduced" "I dont get any play time anymore" "RTG are ripping everyone off" "MG slots are worse then ever". In other words, exactly the same as you and others are saying all the time. Now, if the payouts have been declining by a noticable amount for the past 10 years or even 5 years (as you would come to believe from reading CM over that time), then the RTP would be about 10% by now and NOBODY would win anything EVER - and that simply isnt true. Tell me, do you gamble exactly the same as you did 2 years ago? I know I dont. We all go through periods of winning and losing and most of us adjust our play over that time e.g. how much we bet, how much we cash out, how much we deposit. I believe it is us (the players) who change over time, not the slot payouts. The audited slot payouts from CM accred casinos are pretty much the same as they have always been, so you either think that they are all full of cr*p and that Bryan still recommends them regardless as he wants you to get ripped off, or you look elsewhere for the reason.

Its much easier to carry on about a casino cheating or ripping us off than it is to look inward and re-assess how you gamble. I know for a fact that I gamble a lot smarter than I did years ago and I have reaped the financial benefits.....but the whole process takes honesty and humility. However, as I said throwing around unfounded accusations is the easy road so happy travelling to those who stay on it



Yes it was - and is - as the whole thread has shown that some dont understand how the whole RJ thing works - and there is nothing wrong with that BTW - but its pretty disappointing to see that many of those people arent interested in learning. Just take the easy road - after all, its easy.

So, it is actually relevant to the topic at hand which is RJs.



Yes, the RTP figure quoted by RTG casinos for specific games include the RJs...whch is between 1-2% of the total RTP. Would you notice the difference between a slot with an RTP of 96 and one of 94.5? Not unless you had a spreadsheet, enough money for a few million spins and a lot of time on your hands. Can you tell from a few hundred spins? No way on Earth.

As for having a better chance when the jackpots are smaller - yes you do. After all, they hit more often so it stands to reason. Mind you, there may well be more people playing the games at that casino so you might have more competition, so its difficult to measure. However, technically you have the same chance betting $1.20 when then RJ is $2000 than if it is $80,000. I know people who have had their PC set to spin .20c all night long and have been successful in hitting RJs, although it seems many casinos have a way of picking up on this and the managers started to disconnect accounts after an hour or two so that person doesnt bother any more.

Lottery tickets are a good example in regards to the more tickets you buy the better your chances. On these slots, the higher your bet the more 'tickets' you get per spin.



No. Please point out where I said that. Rushmore should remove the 'non-winning' winners to reflect the reality of the situation.



I'm confused. You say you are not arguing that the money in the pot is illegitimate, but then you say it is suspect. So which is it?



If a RJ went off somewhere for say $7800, and then it went off a day or two later for $1,350 - would you be yelling 'cheat'?? Ive seen this happen on many occasions, and seen the same person win the same jackpot within 24 hrs (second one was like $1,080 or something). So, the fact that the Robs castle one went off within a few days just means when the RJ 'counter' was reset (which is what happens when the funds are replaced) it went off early. Nothing suspicious there at all.

Hiring a ringer? Staking them to win their own jackpot back?? Are you serious??? If you even believe 1% of what you said, why in hell do play at any online casino???? You say its speculation....I say its taking a swipe at Rushmore and then disguising it as some kind of joke. Its the kind of thing that grates my gears - spraying a whole lot of really accusatory and damaging rhetoric about a business and then avoiding the responsibility of backing up the claims by putting a lol or a or some other kind of hand-washing remark after it. Its all about credibility as I said - if you believe Rushmore does it then you would have to believe that possibly all RTGs do it (or CAN do it), so if you deposit at any RTG again then you lose your credibility. Its nothing personal, its just a fact. After all, you would be putting your money into the hands of people who you believe are cheats and liars - and I wouldnt take the word of anyone who knowingly did that.



I think you will find there are lots more active slot players than you think. Also, how do you know that some 'whale's fav game isnt Robertas Castle? There are more $20-100 per spins players than you think also. Is it reasonable to believe that 100 people a day would log in just to play one slot? No - its probably far more than that. E.G. How many people do you think are playing ThunderstruckII right now?

Inetbet randoms have always tended to rise slowly, which may be due to lower player numbers or a lower % of contribution. The only time Ive seen them 'fly' is when the RJs are high - which is something else to consider - the higher the RJ gets the higher many people bet and therefor the faster it goes up etc etc.



I dont think you specifically are and I didnt say that either. Its a lack of understanding in many cases, and an unwillingness to understand.

If you dont wanna hit a RJ with a free chip - dont play a slot with a RJ with a free chip. Simple.



Yes everybody has the right of free speech - but along with the right comes a responsibility. If you want to make your opinion known, then you have to be prepared to have it challenged and be prepared to back it up- otherwise its just hot air. Do you think its OK for me to call someone a moron, and then when challenged as to why I think that I reply "because I just do"??

We arent talking about baseball cards or each others' haircuts here - Rushmore is an accredited casino and should not have unfounded accusations levelled against it.

Got some real proof that they are cheating or ripping people off? Im there with bells on. Until then, its just the same stuff Ive been reading here for 5+ years.

WOW! Are you for real!

 

[Nifty29]

I believe it is us (the players) who change over time, not the slot payouts

You see, its my opinion and it is based on evidence.

I find the slots pay about the same as they always have. I now cashout more than I ever did before. I deposit about the same as I always have. The difference is - the way I manage my bankroll and my expectations. In my experience, the slots havent changed - I have changed, and my fortunes along with it. If you read the rest of what I said, you will see that CM has been full of the same threads saying the same stuff about slots getting tighter and casinos cheating etc etc so it would seem that it is not the slots/games that are the problem - its the player. Otherwise, as I said, nobody would be winning anything and thats clearly not the case.

Why did I change my attitudes/strategies in regards to gambling? I read someone once here at CM who explained it, and it made me consider a lot of things that I hadnt bothered with previously - such as the part I play in the whole situation.

BTW I see a lot of people are complaining about the mis-use of the thanks button. Well youve seen a good example in the previous post. Someone replies to a post that addresses a lot of relevant issues with "WOW! Are you for real!" and someone thanks them. No wonder a lot of members with a lot of knowledge to share dont bother these days.

Anyway, Ive given my opinion and tried to impart the benefit of my experience and knowledge to assist other members in enjoying their gambling. It would be nice to think someone takes something positive away with them, but if not then at least I can join those who dont bother any more and sleep soundly knowing I did my best.

 

[all4greed]

...If a RJ went off somewhere for say $7800, and then it went off a day or two later for $1,350 - would you be yelling 'cheat'??...

You are pointing out a large amount and a much smaller amount. If you think the below amounts aren't suspicious at all, you really missed the point. You do realize this is within a period of 2 weeks right?

Tim P. United States Pay Dirt (Video Slots) $45,840.00
Akemi M. United States Pay Dirt (Video Slots) $33,602.20

Sandra M. United States Robertas Castle (Video Slots) $28,319.65
Frances F. United States Robertas Castle (Video Slots) $27,017.18

 

[chuchu59]

You are pointing out a large amount and a much smaller amount. If you think the below amounts aren't suspicious at all, you really missed the point. You do realize this is within a period of 2 weeks right?

Tim P. United States Pay Dirt (Video Slots) $45,840.00
Akemi M. United States Pay Dirt (Video Slots) $33,602.20

Sandra M. United States Robertas Castle (Video Slots) $28,319.65
Frances F. United States Robertas Castle (Video Slots) $27,017.18

I am surprised and probably a little suspicious but we are only talking about 2 slots here. Unless we can point out that there are a lot more of the slots where RJs are hit at post $20K levels we may just have to say these are coincidences and that they really have some whales playing these 2 slots.

 

[maphesto]

In addition to the excellent post I made here yesterday I can say that I followed the two RJ amounts.

Pay Dirt haven´t moved up 500$ in a bit less than 24h. Even if this wasn´t a big gaming day I find it totally impossible to reach 45,840$ in a few days from now.

The RJ money was obviously put back up! This is how reputable RTG casinos do when the win is being void in some way. Unfortunately the previous winner is still on the list.

Robertas Castle has reached 10 000$ now. Both RJ wins on this one was hit before those on Pay Dirt. If players were using this machine in same way as they did before the wins and both wins were real and paid in full this one should definately have reached over 25 000$ now.

The RJ money was definately put back up on this one as well.

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For those who wonder I will give you the link to their winners corner again.

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Tim P. United States Pay Dirt (Video Slots) $45,840.00
Akemi M. United States Pay Dirt (Video Slots) $33,602.20
Sandra M. United States Robertas Castle (Video Slots) $28,319.65
Frances F. United States Robertas Castle (Video Slots) $27,017.18

 

[Nifty29]

You are pointing out a large amount and a much smaller amount. If you think the below amounts aren't suspicious at all, you really missed the point. You do realize this is within a period of 2 weeks right?

Tim P. United States Pay Dirt (Video Slots) $45,840.00
Akemi M. United States Pay Dirt (Video Slots) $33,602.20

Sandra M. United States Robertas Castle (Video Slots) $28,319.65
Frances F. United States Robertas Castle (Video Slots) $27,017.18

It isnt me who is missing the point.

Lets break it right down for those who dont want to read the previous posts:

Robertas Castle
Event#1 = Frances F. hits RJ of $27,017.18 but using free chip.
Event#2 = Rushmore puts $27,017.18 (minus max cashout amount) back into RJ pool
Event#3 = Sandra M. hits RJ of $28,319.65 a few days laters and is paid in full and RJ resets

Pay Dirt
Event #1 = Akemi M. hits RJ of $33,602.20 on free chip.
Event#2 = Rushmore puts back $33,602.20 (minus max cashout amount) back into RJ pool
Event #3 = Tim P hits RJ of $45,840.00 and is paid in full some days after.

The lesson from this?

Dont jump to conclusions and start making accusations until you have actually given the issue some thought. If some of you had just stopped for a minute and realised that the amounts were listed chronologically from bottom to top and not from top to bottom this whole discussion may never have taken place - and some of may not have ended up with egg on your face like you do right now.

You see, actually Rushmore has done the right thing here by returning the RJ so that others could win it. Instead of getting some kudos, they got roasted and had their integrity questioned by some people with an axe to grind and who take the first hint of anything unusual and run with it until it turns into a bashfest.

Some of you should think about an apology to Rushmore and to Bryan and Max for attacking an accredited casino without any good cause.

 

[AudiManinBoro]

Actually, the lesson is that these RJ`s are only ever won on what looks to be a free chip. How ELSE could they get so high. And considering the jackpots are COLLOSAL, it would appear to me this has been going on for a LONG time. NOW theres a coincidence hey

 

[darkpixie]

Nifty29, the thanks was for slotjunkies summing up the obvious, and that is that you have been consistently trying to derail this topic with platitudes and holier than thou speeches about how you are so great at gambling and everyone else that finds the RJ Jackpot announcements odd is and MUST just be a poor loser. If you firmly believe the casino is on the up and up with this then kindly take your well meaning posts elsewhere so that others that would like to get to the bottom of this can. If you have verified answers to this troubling problem or something positive to contribute towards the SUBJECT by all means post them. I have yesterday via private message asked the casino rep exactly what I asked here and I am still waiting for a response. And I hope that they have the opportunity to come back here and post the answers and people can find them without wading through gobs of your "You suck if you find this strange" posts.

 

[darkpixie]

Nifty29, re: your latest post, if this is the case, and we all have suspected it is. Rushmore is NOT doing the right thing as they are maintaining on this board and on their Winners Corner page posed that the free chip winner is a Legitimate win.

 

[Tengil]

Well there certainly looks to be something "fishy" about the RJs at Rushmore. Was playing a bit more RTG a few year ago at Bodog and the RJs almost never passed the 15k mark. So they are simply too high even if they would have confiscated/voided RJ wins and returned the amount of previous winners.

And you dont need millions of spins to notice a difference of 1,5% in RTP if you play low/mid variance slots like Cleo.

 

[all4greed]

It isnt me who is missing the point.

Lets break it right down for those who dont want to read the previous posts:

Robertas Castle
Event#1 = Frances F. hits RJ of $27,017.18 but using free chip.
Event#2 = Rushmore puts $27,017.18 (minus max cashout amount) back into RJ pool
Event#3 = Sandra M. hits RJ of $28,319.65 a few days laters and is paid in full and RJ resets

Pay Dirt
Event #1 = Akemi M. hits RJ of $33,602.20 on free chip.
Event#2 = Rushmore puts back $33,602.20 (minus max cashout amount) back into RJ pool
Event #3 = Tim P hits RJ of $45,840.00 and is paid in full some days after.

The lesson from this?

Dont jump to conclusions and start making accusations until you have actually given the issue some thought. If some of you had just stopped for a minute and realised that the amounts were listed chronologically from bottom to top and not from top to bottom this whole discussion may never have taken place - and some of may not have ended up with egg on your face like you do right now.

You see, actually Rushmore has done the right thing here by returning the RJ so that others could win it. Instead of getting some kudos, they got roasted and had their integrity questioned by some people with an axe to grind and who take the first hint of anything unusual and run with it until it turns into a bashfest.

Some of you should think about an apology to Rushmore and to Bryan and Max for attacking an accredited casino without any good cause.

Please direct me to where any rep stated that these were wins on a restricted bonus and that the money was returned to the random jackpot.

As far as issuing anyone an apology, forget it. I've asked directly for more information from support and technical support with no results. I've posted my request to Louise on here, again no result. If a casino is going to have a winners page, anyone should be able to question it if something looks odd. I have done so.

I have not slandered anyone or the casino in general. All I've stated is that it is suspicious.

If in the end these were truly wins on a restricted chip, then remove those winners that APPEAR to have won and PAID those amounts. Or the casino can have a separate winners page that says random jackpots won but NOT PAID.

Don't tell me it's not misleading as it stands now.