RTG's and Random Jackpots Over The Top? Detriment to players?

[Rusty]

Psst...BTW, I am a "she"

Oops, sorry about that Silcnlayc very presumptuous of me.
Fortunately I know the difference when I'm out

 

[silcnlayc]

I don't know what makes a difference but may be they do have control over this.

I agree and have started to believe this of all RTG's lately.

Oops, sorry about that Silcnlayc very presumptuous of me.

It's ok, all is good .... I just hated the visual I kept getting of me being a man running around in "silc n layc" when I saw "he"

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[NewOrleans]

The big pots do not come from inetbet alone or any progressive for that matter...The progressives are pooled from the entire group,and it's quite possible you just hit it at a good time.There is probably 1 in a million chances to win a progressive now unless you have millions to spend one cannot expect to win it

if the chance is 1 in 100 thousand than I would probably spend 300 thousand trying to get it if I had that kind of bankroll...But who does.

It's probably +EV now but that's with an unlimited bankroll o_O;Also there is the small chance that a person will win the progressive a few seconds before you do and you end up with a 500$ jackpot lol...There I go again with my rambling

 

[silcnlayc]

The progressives are pooled from the entire group,

If you are talking group as in sister sites than I agree, but these are NOT progressives. A progressive has a certain PERMANENT combination that is POSTED to win it.

These are supposedly random jackpots. That was the other point I was trying to make. They no longer seem to be random anymore. But more on the progressive side of games which was NOT supposed to be the way it was.

The idea behind these jackpots were to give the average joe a thrill or two while playing, that was the reason they never reached OVER $5000...now they have become nothing more than a come on...but to the detriment of the low player.

I guess I resent that the most, these casinos abusing the lowly player all in the name of money..when they still make their bundle without hurtin the average joe like they are doing now.

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[felicie]

This is about Crazy Dragon back in 2006 and I don't remember if it was progressive then but I was playing one day and it had a $27,000 plus jackpot and if you made it to 100 free spins you got that amount. I sat there for 20 minutes while it counted up to 97 spins and then fricken stopped! I had never gotten any more than 4 to 6 spins and played quite a bit. I've always felt so robbed on that one and have never played that slot again. I wasn't familiar with the forums back then but have always wanted to know if anyone else had a similar result. Sorry for posting in the wrong place if I did. Thank you.

 

[Louise]

I was playing earlier today and found a regular slot game that I played for as long as it was out, reach an unimaginable amount in the random jackpot at Rushmore. It is now over $100,000 when all these slots hardly ever used to go over $5000 before they hit.

I don't have an answer for you as to why the random jackpot was higher than they usually get, but know the player who hit it is a very happy lady!! She met the playthrough of the bonus she took and at that time had $541 in her account and carried on playing and when she hit the RJ, had $104,019 in her balance.

Not bad hey

It was nice to see a RJ hit by a Casinomeister member this week also, so am wishing the rest of you guys the best of luck and hope to see another around here VERY soon!

Louise
Rushmore, Cherry Red & Slots Oasis Rep.

 

[skiny]

"I don't know" is a good answer for the first question. What about the rest of them?

 

[silcnlayc]

felicie: This is about Crazy Dragon back in 2006 and I don't remember if it was progressive then but I was playing one day and it had a $27,000 plus jackpot and if you made it to 100 free spins you got that amount. I sat there for 20 minutes while it counted up to 97 spins and then fricken stopped! I had never gotten any more than 4 to 6 spins and played quite a bit. I've always felt so robbed on that one and have never played that slot again. I wasn't familiar with the forums back then but have always wanted to know if anyone else had a similar result. Sorry for posting in the wrong place if I did. Thank you.

Welcome to the forum and this is just as good a place as any to post your question/answer/play on RTG's...I never got past the 6 spin mark myself..

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[Stovetopp]

I can sense your frustration Silc' at not being able to get your point across.

I think it is a very good argument you are making and worth exploring.

The percentage return of the random jackpot slots obviously includes the RJ itself and if it is set in such a way as it is almost impossible to hit at lower stakes then the low roller loses this part of the percentage return.
End result lower return for low rollers than previously.

This is OK as long as the Casino makes the players aware of any changes, it is only fair players know the true odds of the game they are wagering on and that remains the same unless the Casino sates something has changed.

It may be worse though if what Silc' suspects is true and that a larger percentage of stake is going toward the Rushmore RJ's and the evidence suggests he is correct.
That would result in an even lower expected return for the low roller.
(although it could be argued it would be the same but the variance had changed the fact is if the probability of hitting an RJ are so remote as to be next to impossible on low stakes then the reality will be lower return for the low roller)

That is why I asked that a Rushmore Rep clarify this by answering the questions I raised earlier.

It is only fair the player has all the relevant information for the games they play.
Then again different RTG's have different returns for the same slots before you consider the RJ and players aren't even privy to that most basic information they are entitled to.
Just One more reason not to play RTG really.

This is a point I wanted to express as some sort of "info" to slot players....Each RTG casino has the ability to determine the payout percentages on any game . Now , If one casino group decides to pay wayless than other casinos in video poker ,does it not follow the same mentality of the management (owners) would also laugh their way to the bank and reduce the payouts on slots? I will give an example:
As all video poker players know Double bonus is a very popular game...Most games play 250 for four of a kind(playing max coins). Well most RTG casino pay 225 EXCEPT for one which pay an outrageously low 200 This same casino group also rips off on other paytables in the other games compared to other casinos..Is it not therefore logical they would do the same for slots in the name of GREED Of course one could argue that they reduce the percentage payout in VP and increase the payout in slots LOL . But I doubt it!

 

[Rusty]

I don't have an answer for you as to why the random jackpot was higher than they usually get, but know the player who hit it is a very happy lady!! She met the playthrough of the bonus she took and at that time had $541 in her account and carried on playing and when she hit the RJ, had $104,019 in her balance.

Not bad hey

It was nice to see a RJ hit by a Casinomeister member this week also, so am wishing the rest of you guys the best of luck and hope to see another around here VERY soon!

Louise
Rushmore, Cherry Red & Slots Oasis Rep.

Hi Louise,
Is there anyway you could find out the answers to the questions I asked in a previous post?
I think they are legitimate concerns for the low roller.

 

[silcnlayc]

Another interesting itme..

Went to play a game that has been on my computer...and got this...anything we should know?


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[vinylweatherman]

The main thing wrong with this picture is that there are just so many max cashout situations, meaning that these oversized RJ's are seriously distorting the ACTUAL hold for the casino to a figure far above the theoretical hold of 5% on slot games.

If NEW players cannot win more than, say, the first $2000 of any jackpot, what is the point of playing there. EVERYBODY has to be new at some time, so this will discourage players from joining RTG casinos.

Recreational players are the ones that are going to get shafted by innocently playing Reel Series games, whereas "advantage" players, and experienced players, are going to let their account fester "on hold" for the first months of membership, rather than chase down RJ's that they will never receive in full.