RTG and Odds On going for the big $$$

what is wrong with taking a big bonus with big play through and a 10x max cash out.
You aren't really serious about this question, are you?

Well, lets put it this way if you are...lets break it down...

Big bonus= rejection of cashout on wins for any minor or percieved misinterpretations of T&C's

Big play through = no play at all for if you can't win playing with your own funds, what makes you think you can even scratch the surface of the WR with a bonus to boot?

10x max cashout= no cashout at all, for if I hit a good run, which has become seldom to nil lately...I want to be able to cash out at any given time and not have to be ruled by the casinos whims.

Not one of these items makes any sense at all..why not just send the check to the casino and call it a donation, and let them do what they will with it when this is the T&C's for a bonus..for one never clears the WR at RTG's anymore.
 
why I dont take a bonus

Yes, your right I play for fun but....let's say I take the bonus and hit for $200 right away. You know darn well, Ill play it before I get to cash it out. This way, if I just play my own money and happen to hit the very first time, I can w/d some of it and play the rest :)

It took me forever to get that 32vegas bonus because I was mostly playing with their money. I had to play like 2 or 3 days to w/d. I dont like that
 
Don't get me wrong. I am not pushing for bonus or non bonus, just wondering more about the people who just want to get a few hours of enjoyment rather than a few minutes. Actually when I have played, I would only take a no max withdrawal bonus if I was playing a game with a jack pot. If it was a game like black jack I do not mind the max cash out, because my balance does not have a chance to jump a huge amount on just one hand, like can happen in slots or video poker and such, or deposit enough that it does not matter if you only get 10 times your deposit.
 
Not one of these items makes any sense at all..why not just send the check to the casino and call it a donation, and let them do what they will with it when this is the T&C's for a bonus..for one never clears the WR at RTG's anymore.

As opposed to playing at the casino without a bonus ... why not just send the check to the casino and call it a donation?

Bonuses are profitable for some, and at worst, prolong the inevitable for others.

Though 10x max cashouts do suck for games with high variance.
 
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I can understand where most of you are coming from, and this next question will be controversial but will as any way. Current consensus for the most part is not to take a bonus, because of restrictions and max pay outs. But if you are looking for just a longer lasting fun time what is wrong with taking a big bonus with big play through and a 10x max cash out.
Well that would suit me as I NEVER expect to hit a random JP, and I would consider 10x my deposit as a VERY good result!

However as others have said, the problem here is that with RTG's new tighter slots it doesn't matter how big the bonus is - it's just prolonging the agony and making you watch even more spins of total crap.
You might as well play in 'fun mode' - not that it would be much fun if they play the same....
Come to think of it, you might as well nail your own head to a coffee table - that would be more exciting! :D
 
the people who just want to get a few hours of enjoyment rather than a few minutes
Good grief..a bonus only adds a few more MINUTES nowadays so whats the point, you either are going
to hit a nice win and quickly withdraw (which I do so I can restart again and still have a few dollars for later ) or you are going to go down fast regardless of a bonus and the worst of it is, if you do hit a nice win, say deposit $100 and win $500 within a few minutes and you took a bonus you have to play out the WR and end up broke because of the tightness of these casinos lately and these wins come VERY SELDOM.
it's just prolonging the agony and making you watch even more spins of total crap.
Totally agree here!
Bonuses are profitable for some, and at worst, prolong the inevitable for others.
Yes, but I don't think in the long run they are worth the time and effort you have to put in, personally.
I had to play like 2 or 3 days to w/d, I dont like that
And babs7262 said it perfectly...for once it becomes a CHORE, it is no longer FUN.
 
Bonuses are not for me...

Today is a great example of why I don't take bonuses any longer. I just hit for the first time in a while for me two nice payouts of over $600 each. I was able to cash out right away without worrying if I had a playthrough.

Each time I have played with a bonus and hit anything decent I used it up in trying to meet the T&C of the bonus. Just not worth it to me anymore. I wonder if they will start adding bonuses automatically to our balances to make us take them. :eek:
 
On the other hand...

What is going on with VIP Casino! I had won some as my previous post indicated and figured I would try out my other favorite, VIP Casino.

I played through over $600.00 and hit only two features on Raindance. I won 10 free spins each time. Only one free spin hit anything. I played Aztec and Cleo without once hitting a feature or much of anything.

In the past week I have lost over 3k at VIP. You would think I would get a clue. LOL... Obviously I am an optimist. I keep thinking the tide will turn with VIP but I am now beginning to wonder.

I emailed the manager asking about this. Will let you know what she says. I did mention I realize we lose when we gamble. It is I expect to win a bit along the way so it lasts a while. I kept depositing figuring something would happen. Well silly ole me! :puke:
 
I just emailed an RTG casino also about the glitch in the Robin Hood game. No response as of yet. I guess RTG is playing with the controls again and unless a group of complaints come in, they won't care. Sad, but true it seems.
 
I would like to put an offer out there to any one interested. I will fill there account with as much funds as needed. They play any of the games as much as possible and keep notes of the pay outs and at what denominations. This could be done in fun mode, but than people would say that fun mode is different. The player would not be depositing so could not cash out. This is for fun only,but I am willing to see how close the payouts follow what is ecpected return. The only restricted games would be the system wide progressives. If anyone wants to take look please contact me. Would be fine if people concentrated on one paticular machine at a time so we could get a more accurate reporting.
 
I wanna play Robin Hood! That was my most favorite game and it's broke and to prove it's broke, and since you are twisting arms, I am willing to use your money to play this one slot to the end!. :D :D


Um..psst, which casino did you say??? :rolleyes:
 
Send me account details and I will fund the account. I am not twisting arms! I just am curious. I would love to know if there is a problem, and I will be the first to demand answers from RTG. And after seeing the report RTG sent me on fruit frenzy, I know there can be problems, but they kept accurate numbers of eaxactly how much was held(cheated) from customers incorrectly
 
Ronin Results

Ok, played $5,000 in credits just on Ronin on Real money play. I played 200 spins per each denomination. I went over on accident on the spins on two of them, but will post all results. I wrote down every win and loss. I wrote down each trigger I got. I have to say no malfunction on ronin from this play. I got the 25 free spin triggers a few times that I could not hit at the other two places I play even in free mode for the life of me.

Anyway , here are my results in the order I played:

Starting Bank$5,000 End Bank: 4983 Result: - $17.00
Denomination .20 Spins #211 (messed up the first one,lol had to get a system going) No bonus rounds

Starting bank$4983 End Bank 4964.75 Result - 18.25
Denomination $.40 (200 spins
2 bonus rounds , the free 3 games on both
One bonus win=$4.00 other $21.00

Starting Bank$4964.75 End Bank $5151.95 + 187.20
Denomination$1.00 (200 spins
2 bonus rounds
round one 25 free games= 246.00 round 2 3 spins=3.35

Starting Bank$5151.95 End Bank$4966.20 Result - 185.75
Denomination $5.00 (200 spins
1 bonus round 3 spins $26.50

Starting Bank $4966.20 End Bank $5347.20 result +381.00
Denom. $10.00 (200 spins)
1 bonus round 25 free spins win 280.50

Starting Bank $5347 End Bank $$4383.20 result -964.00
Denom $20 (200 spins)
No bonus rounds

Starting Bank $4383.20 Ending Bank $4361.00 result -22.20
denom $2.00 (200 Spins)
1 bonus round 25 free spins $57.00

Starting Bank $4361
Denom $100 (201 spins
Starting Bank $4361.00 End Bank $3411.00
4 bonus rounds
5 free games$845.
5 free games $2,160.00
25 free games 2,270.00
25 free games $1,795

Notice last bonus round was on spin 201 , accidently hit it again out of habbit.

So there are the results. I will let you who are better than me it math figure it out from here:)) I am ronin'ed out, and will now have an unnatural fear of samaris! :)))

Amatrine
 
I would like to put an offer out there to any one interested. I will fill there account with as much funds as needed. They play any of the games as much as possible and keep notes of the pay outs and at what denominations. This could be done in fun mode, but than people would say that fun mode is different. The player would not be depositing so could not cash out. This is for fun only,but I am willing to see how close the payouts follow what is ecpected return. The only restricted games would be the system wide progressives. If anyone wants to take look please contact me. Would be fine if people concentrated on one paticular machine at a time so we could get a more accurate reporting.
I would be willing to have a go - which casino are you with?
 
I played at phynqster's Casino with the offer and here is what I have found...and thank you phynqster :thumbsup: for giving me that opportunity to do so. My breakdown is not as good as amatrine's but I guess I will give it a shot...



Played: Ceasars for 30 minutes

Starting balance $500 Played $2.00 @ 75 spins 0 Bonus

Starting balance $460 Upped it to $5.00 @ 16 spins hit bonus for $370.00

Starting Balance $835 $5 a spin hit bonus in 44 spins for 83.50

Starting balance $809 $5 a spin 0 bunus in 100 spins

Went to Robin Hood:

Starting Balance $737 $2 a spin for 27 spins hit bonus round for $35.60

Starting balance 724 upped it to $5 a spin for 100 spins 0 bonus


All in all it was a good playing session and I ended up depositing my own funds after forcing myself to lose the balance of theeir money because I did like the length of play it gave for the funds invested.

Here is the kicker!

Deposited again and withdrew $500 after hitting a few good bonus rounds.

Definitely like this casino! Thanks again for letting me test drive it in real mode!
 
Re

Yeah I got to say I played the poker and it was the first time in a long time I got some play time:) They ought to consider taking instadebit over there as that is my primary way to fund.

Ama
 
Congratulations on the win. It will go out Monday.

I did not do this to get depositers or advertise the casino, this was done just to see how tight or loose the slots are. So far they seem to be right around suggested pay out rates. One thing I would like to point out is that I have been at a number of different RTG casinos, so any thing I say I only know from those sites. Every casino is set the same as far as random number generator goes. So you can not have one casino loose and another one tight. Each individual casino can set there slots to a specific set payout amount, usually ranging from like 98% to 95% but that is it.
 
Thanks for allowing some CM members to test the slots Phynqster - a good idea and there should be more of it.

I was a little concerned about this though:

Each individual casino can set there slots to a specific set payout amount, usually ranging from like 98% to 95% but that is it.

So, it IS possible for RTG casinos to change their payouts.....but you said it they cant make then tighter or looser. Is there a difference? Is there a minimum % amount set by RTG themselves or can a casino make them pay 90% if they want?

Not trying to make things difficult for you, just wanted some clarification.

Gotta say though - if an operator can adjust the slot payouts at will then it doesnt instill much confidence in the player.

:)
 
Every slot is set differently. As an example one slot may be set at either 98.5, 97.7, 96.5 or 94.5 % . The casino has the ability to pick and choose which payout % to go with. Not unlike las Vegas where they set machines near registration and escalators and resteraunts at a different rate than on the general floor. On the preset pay out % they are never more than a few % points between them.
 
Raindance results

I first started testing simply counting the number of features hit within the course of 300 spins and the number of hits within the feature. This I did with different bet denominations. I tested Raindance. Here are those results:

$.20/spin hit 4 features; out of 40 free spins hit 22 payouts
$.40/spin hit 4 features; out of 45 free spins hit 21 payouts
$2.00/spin hit 3 features; out of 30 free spins hit 12 payouts
$5.00/spin hit 0 features
$20.00/spin hit 2 features; out of 20 free spins hit 3 payouts
$100.00/spin hit 3 features; out of 30 free spins hit 7 payouts

I then simply wanted to see what my win/loss ratio would be so I set up 500 spins at different denominations. Recording the beginning amount and the ending amount. Here are those results:

$2.00/spin $5063.88 - 4732.18 = -$331.70
$5.00/spin $4732.18 - 4331.68 = -$400.50
$10.00/spin $4331.68 - 3806.68 = -$525.00
$.20/spin $3806.68 - 3853.40 = +$46.72
$100.00/spin $3853.40 - 1778.40 = -$2075.00
$.40/spin $1778.40 - 1754.86 = -$23.54

Then I decided to spin in 10 spin increments and record when the features were triggered. Here are those results:

$2.00/spin total of 100 spins
$5014.86
$5029.06
$5034.46
$5017.86
$5013.46 3rd spin received a respin only
$5005.83 6th spin received a respin only
$4988.16
$4990.56
$4973.06
$4960.06
$4950.46

I was getting tired of Raindance so took a quick look at Aztec. Here are those results.

$2.00/spin total of 100 spins
$4950.46 beginning balance
$4847.46 ending balance

I hit no features in 100 spins on Aztec.

Thanks for letting me do this. It was interesting.
 
Gave phynqster's offer a go today and began with $2000 (thanks!). Played Aztec Treasure only and here is play:

Began with 2k ended with 1981.83 after 200 spins at 0.20/spin. 1 bonus round for 2.37

Upped next 200 spins to 0.40/spin and ended with 1973.93. 2 bonus rounds of 9.92 and 2.04

Next 200 spins were at 1.00/spin. One bonus round for 196.25 and ended at 1951.10

Upped to 10.00/spin and no bonus rounds after 100 spins. Tanked to 1332.18

Tried the 100/spin and bombed out after 34 spins, no bonus rounds.

Thanks for the memory Phynqster! ;)
 

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