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[Rogue] Palace Of Chance Safe?

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alwaysrivered

Dormant account
Joined
Nov 19, 2009
Location
Boulder CO
So i had used a free chip but couldnt cash out because i had used two in a row. well, ok thats acceptable. Then a rep called and asked me to deposit. i said ok so i deposited 25$ and they gave me like 93 in my account. then i started reading about them. crap. Ayway, i now have over 500 in the account that i won playing blackjack. Seemed too easy. Now i want to cash out. I dont have my hopes up that i will be able to. I am jsut concerned about sending them all the information required to cash out. They need a photo copy of credit card, ID, bank statement and a trace of my CC. It seems extreme. Is it a bad idea to send them that info? Should i jsut accept a 25$ loss? Or would it be safe to send that info and try to get money back?

Oh and now i see an email that says thanks for a deposit to Cirrus casino... Which i never agreed too. But i know its part of the same group. Did they jsut steal my money??
 
The chances are very slim that you'll see any money from them. I occasionally see a post where someone gets paid after a month or two and lots of phone calls and emails, but usually not. That whole group has this 'rule' about if they've given you more free chips than you've deposited, you don't get to withdraw. That's why they hand out free chips so much. So since you've used 2 free chips and they gave you a bonus and only deposited $25, I believe they'll probably use it as an excuse not to pay you. But first they'll string you along for awhile and try to get you to deposit again.
 
Strongly suggest you wander by the Rogue Pit and have a look there. POC is listed under the Virtual Casino Group, "Worst Casino Group 2007".

And yes, in all probability, they did just pocket your cash.
 
alwaysrivered said:
hmm i see. Well my main question is , is it worth a try? Or would giving them more of my information be risky?
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If you like giving your hard earned money to a bunch of crooks, go right ahead, you will not get paid and then you will be back here crying bloody murder, consider this a strong plea to trash that whole group in the shit can and find yourself a better class of casino with a better class of folks running it..................these folks are as sorry as sorry can get and will steal you freaking blind!!!!!!!!!!!!!!...............laurie........jeeze:confused:
 
Actually there have been posts in the past of people complaining of unauthorized charges showing up on their CC, and it did happen to me a long, long time ago, so if I were you, I would not chance it by giving them any personal info. Just my 2 cents.
 
alwaysrivered said:
hmm i see. Well my main question is , is it worth a try? Or would giving them more of my information be risky?
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Don't give them ANYTHING! They are the worst of the worst online casino CROOKS! :mad:

If this is one of your first online casino experiences, please do not be put off - there are many 100's of reputable, honest & trustworthy casinos on the net, and only a few dozen out-and-out rogues. You have been unlucky to get trapped by the worst thieves on the net - but there are many, many safe places to play at. Read around this forum a bit and you will learn much!

Good luck in the future!
KK
 
I'd have to agree here, sending your info to a place like that is risky and the chance you'll see any money from them is probably zero. My advice (for what it's worth) is to kiss the deposit goodbye, treat whatever your balance in as play money, and when it's gone, close your account with them. And be glad you only are out $25 and not $250. :)
 
Put it this way:

I walk up to you when you're sitting in your car with your kid in the car seat. Three big, not-friendly looking buddies of mine join us.

I take your money, your groceries, your cell phone and your baby's lolly. Then I ask if I can borrow your house keys.

What do you do? If you say "step on the gas and get the hell out of there" then I think you're probably on to something.
 
To be fair to the OP, they didn't know that POC was a rogue/criminal casino when they started playing, they only found out after joining here. I can totally relate, the first few deposits I made playing online were at Breakaway Casino and VIP Lounge, which were touted in several other casino sites as THE places to play. It wasn't until after I found Casinomeister that I found out that the other 'casino sites' were either shills or affiliates who didn't care who got ripped off.
 
chayton said:
Breakaway Casino
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This casinos was rogue?

I've played there very often and had more cashouts, then i've deposited, even on their (i think 300%) cashable welcome bonus and always got my money within 1 business day.

But maybe i had only luck?

The only thing i can remember is, that they had a $500 daily cashout limit and all about that goes out in installments, which was a little bit denoying.
 
chayton said:
To be fair to the OP, they didn't know that POC was a rogue/criminal casino when they started playing ...f.
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Sure, understood, but their recent post ..

alwaysrivered said:
Well my main question is ... would giving them more of my information be risky?
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Indicates that the "run, don't walk" message is timely.
 
maxd said:
Put it this way:

I walk up to you when you're sitting in your car with your kid in the car seat. Three big, not-friendly looking buddies of mine join us.

I take your money, your groceries, your cell phone and your baby's lolly. Then I ask if I can borrow your house keys.

What do you do? If you say "step on the gas and get the hell out of there" then I think you're probably on to something.
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LMAO - Max, you break me up! :notworthy
:lolup::lolup:
 
Back in the Neteller days (2005) I used to play there. I was never denied a withdrawal. But times may have changed. I can't remember if I had to submit my ID. The problem I had with this group was. They made my withdrawal pend for 5 days before they would process it. Its up to you whether you want to chance your $500 withdrawal or not.
 
I wouldn't trust any casino from this group but I don't think they're in the business of identity theft. I played Club Player from the same group before I started chatting here. I gave them my info and eventually got paid. It was a serious pain in the ass to get the money and I don't think they actually intended to pay me but after months of daily contact I think they finally paid me just to shut me up. I can be a little stubborn.... Ok a lot stubborn.

I think they make more than enough money off suckers that have no idea they are crooks until they try to make a withdrawal and most people won't bother fighting with them for months on end. So they just keep the deposits and most of what people win too.

I wouldn't personally tell you to give anyone your info but if you really want to fight for months to get your 500 bucks be my guest. You might actually get the money someday if you want to talk to these people everyday. Maybe it'll be a Valentine's day gift.... Or in an Easter egg.
 
maxd said:
Put it this way:

I walk up to you when you're sitting in your car with your kid in the car seat. Three big, not-friendly looking buddies of mine join us.

I take your money, your groceries, your cell phone and your baby's lolly. Then I ask if I can borrow your house keys.

What do you do? If you say "step on the gas and get the hell out of there" then I think you're probably on to something.
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Ya Think??? :p

jetset said:
LMAO - Max, you break me up! :notworthy
:lolup::lolup:
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Yep, Max is quite good at cracking me up, too!! ;)
 
maxd said:
Sure, understood, but their recent post ..



Indicates that the "run, don't walk" message is timely.
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Well you see if i hadn't read anything about them online i would have no indication that they were shady. I mean denying paying out because i had used two bonus chip in a row seems pretty fair to me ready.

I looked through the rogue section about this casino group and there was no mention of identity theft. And most of the complaints were about sums much greater than $500. It seems that most of the people telling me not to bother trying or that it will be too risky is just hearsay. Besides the one response anyone know of identity theft with this casino group? Or false charges?
 
alwaysrivered said:
Well you see if i hadn't read anything about them online i would have no indication that they were shady. I mean denying paying out because i had used two bonus chip in a row seems pretty fair to me ready.

I looked through the rogue section about this casino group and there was no mention of identity theft. And most of the complaints were about sums much greater than $500. It seems that most of the people telling me not to bother trying or that it will be too risky is just hearsay. Besides the one response anyone know of identity theft with this casino group? Or false charges?
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There may not be any info about identity theft at POC or the virtual group but if you do some digging most of what you see on google is about how they have constantly ripped off players, at the end of the day its up to you whether you want to send in your personnel details, but with all the warning signs do you really want to risk it ?,
when you find out that your identy has been stolen its then to late and the damage has been done.
good luck in whatever you decide
 
alwaysrivered said:
Besides the one response anyone know of identity theft with this casino group? Or false charges?
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As far as false charges go, yes, I do believe there is documentation of that. Don't have it at my fingertips at the moment.

My point was that if I hand you my rap sheet that says "thief, liar, fraudster and thug" are you really going to feel all warm and fuzzy letting me hang on to your ID, passport and pictures of your kids?

Come on, crooks are crooks. Unless you know them personally it's not wise to bet on what they _won't_ do.
 
eu_lowroller said:
This casinos was rogue?

I've played there very often and had more cashouts, then i've deposited, even on their (i think 300%) cashable welcome bonus and always got my money within 1 business day.

But maybe i had only luck?

The only thing i can remember is, that they had a $500 daily cashout limit and all about that goes out in installments, which was a little bit denoying.
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Slight derail, but I have to agree, Breakaway Casino was one of my favorite places to play at. I had no idea they were rogue. I was always paid by them in a timely manner, and for a time it was the only RTG I would touch. I believe at the time they also had some relation to Sci-Fi Casino?

Anyhow, just brought back memories of some of the better days of online gambling...
 
Dude! Between here...

alwaysrivered said:
So i had used a free chip but couldnt cash ou...then i started reading about them...crap...Seemed too easy...I dont have my hopes up...I am jsut concerned about sending...Is it a bad idea...to get money back?... Oh and now i see...
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and here...

alwaysrivered said:
Well you see if i hadn't read anything...I mean denying paying out...I looked through the rogue section about this casino group...most of the complaints were about sums much greater than $500. It seems that most of the people telling me not to bother trying or that it will be too risky is just hearsay. Besides the one response anyone know of identity theft with this casino group? Or false charges?
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...you've had no less than 10 (out of 10) CasinoMeister members tell you that these guys are crooks. Straight up. And as if that wasn't good enough for ya, Maxd, the forum moderator, fer crissake, who's gotta read every little thing posted here, practically, which means that he knows every little, minute, dirty detail about who's the lowest of the low, in 4 posts, (that I counted when I got sick of counting them) at least, hadda tell you the same thing. "Most of the people...???...hearsay???" Look at "most of the people's" stats here - JetSet goes back to 2001! 10s of thousands of posts here among them and every one probably burned a half a dozen times by online casinos one way or another! And 28 posts later, ..."people telling me...it will be too risky is just hearsay."

So what are you bothering us for?

What you want to hear:
Palace of Chance is FANTASTIC!!! Don't believe what anyone tells you, POC is Tip Top! Deposit and play there with confidence!!! If someone at POC tells you something, you can bank on it!!!

There! Happpy now?
 
Gotta add that the insider's name for POC is "Palace of No Chance". There are a few other, less polite, versions.
 
bernynhel and I have had our differences on here but I'll give him a big :thumbsup: for his post in the thread.

To the OP......If you disbelieve what you've read on here about POC, then you will most likely get what you deserve and I don't think you'll get any sympathy from anyone here, especially the ones that tried to warn you. Now put that in your pipe and smoke it. :eek:
 
Eat some wheat, take a massive dump wrap it in a bow and send it to them in the mail, im sure a stool sample will be enough for them.

Not that it is worth much but I joined upto "slots of vegas" and claimed the free chip, I played with it and managed to meet the WR.

I then sent in my documents a of course never got a thing and was getting the run around so gave up.

This was one of the first caisno's I joined and used my primary email address (massive mistake) and within 24 hours was getting the shit spammed out of me, they also use my last name in a lot of them and an almost gaurantee it was the slots of vegas cre that had somdthing to do with this.

So going by that they have no issues at all in sharing your personal information.

Our identities sell good on the black market and a dodgy practice such as POC/SOV will sell them in a heart beat.

Suggestion to you, go $25 at this place wwww.3dice.com and you will hopefully win some money and when you do you will see why I recommended this place to you.

Regards,

Same_old
 
Breakaway

eu_lowroller said:
This casinos was rogue?

I've played there very often and had more cashouts, then i've deposited, even on their (i think 300%) cashable welcome bonus and always got my money within 1 business day.

But maybe i had only luck?

The only thing i can remember is, that they had a $500 daily cashout limit and all about that goes out in installments, which was a little bit denoying.
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I know, I actually played there several times and got a lot of playtime - I never cashed out though so I don't know if it would have been possible or not. I can't remember exactly what other casinos were linked to them but I know they were either rogued or not recommended. Are they even still in business? If they are it's funny they're not on Bryan's RTG casino list....

EDIT: I just found an old thread that Breakaway had switched to Rival software and it was SciFi casino they were linked to. I'll see if Rob knows more....
 
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chayton said:
I know, I actually played there several times and got a lot of playtime - I never cashed out though so I don't know if it would have been possible or not. I can't remember exactly what other casinos were linked to them but I know they were either rogued or not recommended. Are they even still in business? If they are it's funny they're not on Bryan's RTG casino list....

EDIT: I just found an old thread that Breakaway had switched to Rival software and it was SciFi casino they were linked to. I'll see if Rob knows more....
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If I remember correctly, my Breakaway account was converted over to the Rival powered Paradise 8 Casino, comp points and all.

However Breakaway Casino and Sci-Fi both carried on and I believe are still part of the same group, now with software developed by Action Poker Network. I know they used to boast that they were the only casino group that was owned and managed by women. Not sure if that still holds true.

As far as I can see, they are still an up an up operation.
 
Alwaysrivered, the verification they requested is required by most legimate casinos as well.

If you deposited by credit card, they already have that info.

Now, please understand that the following suggestion may not get you paid, and they may find some other way that you broke their rules. I seem to recall that they deny winnings if your LIFETIME bonuses exceed your deposits, and from the bonus they gave you to play with, it may be impossible for you to cash out even under their rules.

Send them the scans. Block out the middle 8 digits of your credit card number. Do the same with your passport number or driver's licence number.

In the email attaching these, tell them how excited you are about your win. Tell them what a great casino they are. Tell them how you can't wait for your cashout so you can play again.

Bug them every day, try to get a specific time frame. In each contact, may sure you say how happy you are. They may think that you are a sucker (and so far they are correct), and pay you to ensure the future chance to rip you off.

Try telling them that you usually play bigger, but you start small to make sure a casino is HONEST and that you get paid in a reasonable length of time and that a casino keeps it promises.

Don't play any free chips they give you. If they give you any kind of "inconvenience" bonus, don't play it. Tell them you previously had a withdrawal refused for too many free chips, and that you don't want to jeopardize your winnings.

Keep at them as long as you feel it is worth recovering your $25. You might just see your deposit returned at the minimum.

And IF (and it's a big IF) you do get paid, run for the hills.

Now that you have found CM, check here about any other casino you might be considering playing at.

Also, whatever affiliate site you signed up from...Never go back there to join another casino, even if it is a reputable one. You don't want to reward any scummy webmaster promoting such a rip-off casino.
 

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