Rival's New Progressive Slot - MG Rip Off!

[AussieDave]

Hi all,

Received notification that Rival have just released their first progressive slot. However the name of this slot is "Major Moolah".

We've seen this type of underhanded actions before, nothing more obvious that 32Vegas who attempted to ride the shirt tails of 32 Red success.

However, imho this stunt by Rival is worse.

Mega Moolah - Microgaming progressive slot.

Major Moolah - Rival's New progressive slot.

It's calculated and underhanded. It's an obvious ploy to confuse the unknowing player and ride the success of Mega Moolah and its branding.

Rival don't have any qualms in doing this, so I have to question Rival's integrity and what they may get up to behind closed doors.

I'm removing all of Rival banners from my sites today because this is unacceptable.

Wonder if Microgaming will take any legal action?


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Taken directly from the affiliate newsletter for Paradise 8 and Cocoa

"Hi everyone,

I’ve got two very BIG announcements for all of you affiliates who promote Paradise 8 and Cocoa Casino!

We are proud to announce that on Tuesday Sept 23rd, both casinos will finally get a PROGRESSIVE JACKPOT! The brand new slot “Major Moolah” will be the first slot to feature a progressive Jackpot on any Rival casino!

New bright, animated banners featuring the new progressive jackpot game for both casinos as well as the new bonus package for Paradise 8 will be available on Tuesday Sept 23rd to coincide with the launch of Major Moolah."

 

[2young2care]

Personally, I know the difference between Rival and Microgaming. I also can tell the difference between "Major Moolah" and "Mega Moolah".

I wouldn't feel tricked by Rival because their new progressive slot has this nomenclature.

The only thing I hope is that their T&C's matches reality.

 

[chuchu59]

Ah, but if you add Major Millions this is an imitation at best. Whether this new progressive should use the name in question depends on the slot itself. Probably, if the pool aint big enough it could be called 'Minor Moolah'.

 

[AussieDave]

Personally, I know the difference between Rival and Microgaming. I also can tell the difference between "Major Moolah" and "Mega Moolah".

I agree, I'm sure most if not everyone here can also tell the difference. But not every player uses casino meister. So not everyone is savvy to the difference.

You can't tell me that Rival have not used this name in an attempt to ride the success of Mega Moolah.

32Vegas trying it on with 32Red. Major Moolah is doing the same with Mega Moolah, imho.

There lays the issue I have with this.

 

[2young2care]

Agreed. It probably is based on MG's idea. But then again, all online casino slots seem to be that way.

I guess I just feel unless it's an exact copy (like a Lion King theme) that I wouldn't really feel tricked by Rival's marketing of a slot called "Major Moolah". 3Dice has "Medieval Moolah". I find alot of similarities between the themes of MG slots and RTG slots. There are mermaid themes, ancient Greece themes, Egyptian themes, etc...

It's hard for me to picture a novice online gambler thinking they want to play a game called Mega Moolah and being tricked into downloading a different casino and playing a game called Major Moolah instead.

 

[chuchu59]

Good opinions all. This will now boil down to how Rival markets this new product ie whether they will make any references or display similarities to the MG ones.

 

[classymom]

I'm just glad Rival has finally got a progressive - if I can have fun w/ it or win on it I don't care what they call it.

 

[KasinoKing]

Ah, but if you add Major Millions this is an imitation at best. Whether this new progressive should use the name in question depends on the slot itself. Probably, if the pool aint big enough it could be called 'Minor Moolah'.

It's definitely Minor Moolah!

This jackpot slot starts at $2500 with a maximum payout of $89,000 and has an average payout of around $12,000. Coin sizes are $1.00 to $3.00 with $3.00 making the progressive jackpot active.

I wonder why they have a cap on the jackpot?
And what happens to the progressive contribution once that is reached...

It's only a 3-reeler too - so very hard to confuse with Mega Moolah!
Preview:-

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[Slotster!]

All slots (online and off) have similar names/themes/pictures/payouts... In Vegas it's particularly confusing when you think you're playing one thing and it's something else... They all take your money the same!

It's pretty funny the way they've almost taken the name of one slot and then almost taken the looks/payout of another... which in themselves originally took their ideas and theme from something else offline... which in themselves etc...

Gamblers like familiarity... it's way too much of a financial risk to take a radical departure.

 

[chuchu59]

I dont understand what the cap of $89000 is all about. The JP rises when players chime in so what if the JP reaches $89000. Does Rival keep the contributions from the players to themselves or add this to the next pot. Probably they have manipulated it so the JP is hit before it reaches this figure

Bring on the next progressive please. Playtech's Cinerama or Wall Street are what they should consider following as it comes with a small bet ie 25c for the former and 50c for the latter.

 

[winbig]

What I don't get, is if a progressive slot is 100% random, then how does a casino KNOW at what point it's going to hit?

I've seen this a couple of times, 1 online and 1 offline, where they advertise that it's going to hit in X amount of days, or by a certain date....................

Maybe it's the same as this? Maybe they have it programmed to hit BEFORE it reaches $89,000? Or maybe once it reaches $89,000, they stop taking a piece of every spin for the JP contribution? If they continued to take a piece of the action after it reaches $89,000, they're no more better than Virtual.

 

[Nifty29]

Well I havent played it, but it looks boring as batsh*t

I would go stark raving mad playing that for more than 10 minutes, especially at $3 a pop.

My advice to them would have been to introduce a random jackpot across certain games e.g. like the i-slots , not something that resembles a super nintendo game....

 

[kakata]

if the name was 'double fart' ppl would play it anyway.

 

[me_and_ed]

Are they going adjust the payout limit for the jackpot winner and pay in one lump sum or try to stick with the payout limits as posted, not that I am playing however if I were it wouldnt be much of a progressive jackpot, some of the Playtech's try to get away with the BS.

 

[RobWin]

Since the top pay is $89K then most likely once it reaches that point and it eventually gets hit then it will quasi reset to eg: $33K or similar depending on how much it has taken in at the $89K level until it was finally hit...this is the way most progressives reset at the B & M land based casinos...

Another words, it will pool the money taken in toward the progressive jackpot until the $89K gets hit and then it will reset at a much larger amount that the base initial amount it would normally start at...

 

[LOOKAWAY]

Are they going to pay this jp in one lump sum, or 4k week after week.

I to think a 3 reel slot was a bad idea, but to actualy have to put some thought behind it.
And come up with a 5 reel themed slot is two reels two far.

I think this slot is a dry run, for a five reel slot still.

New rival 3 reel slot Dry run progressive

 

[vinylweatherman]

Since the top pay is $89K then most likely once it reaches that point and it eventually gets hit then it will quasi reset to eg: $33K or similar depending on how much it has taken in at the $89K level until it was finally hit...this is the way most progressives reset at the B & M land based casinos...

Another words, it will pool the money taken in toward the progressive jackpot until the $89K gets hit and then it will reset at a much larger amount that the base initial amount it would normally start at...

There is no basis for capping a progressive that is based on contributions ALREADY COLLECTED by the game. Rival have damaged the integrity of their first progressive before it has had a chance, as this rather odd cap at a rather odd figure of $89K has us asking all the questions that would not be needed were there a clearer relationship between contributions and the progressive payout.
When the first progressive hits, and the pool resets, these questions will emerge all over again. Without the cap, the only issue would be whether it was a good game, or a disappointment.

EVERY time it reaches $89K before hitting, the question is going to be asked - What happens to all the contributions that have no longer been added to the pool while the cap was in place. This could happen for the first one, or it could be years before it happens.

"Cashflow" is simply not an issue for any progressive that has already been paid for through past contributions, even the vague "business risk" of a huge payout before a casino has really got off the ground is a non-issue, again due to the prepaid nature of the progressive pool.

There IS a risk though, and that is that Rival casinos CHOOSE to spend the progressive contributions as they come in, and meet the progressive payout from their account when it hits, hoping they have done well enough to be able to manage this, as well as benefiting from the use of the pooled funds in the meantime.

 

[KasinoKing]

I have been asked by RobRival to correct the wrong information I was given by one of their affiliate teams (wrong information from Rival? <shock-horror> )

Apparently the jackpot is NOT capped at $89K, that is just the maximum figure it ever reached before paying out in their trials of the slot. The pot will continue to increase until it is won.

As you may be able to tell, I am posting this as a favour to Rival very begrudgingly because I am really pissed at them for continuing to ignore the serious (in my opinion) bugs & errors in their software & rules as posted frequently & prominently on this forum.
Well I tell you this, I am going to carry on bumping those threads & posting the new errors I find until we get some sort of response from them.
Silence is not acceptable.

KK

 

[vinylweatherman]

I have been asked by RobRival to correct the wrong information I was given by one of their affiliate teams (wrong information from Rival? <shock-horror> )

Apparently the jackpot is NOT capped at $89K, that is just the maximum figure it ever reached before paying out in their trials of the slot. The pot will continue to increase until it is won.

As you may be able to tell, I am posting this as a favour to Rival very begrudgingly because I am really pissed at them for continuing to ignore the serious (in my opinion) bugs & errors in their software & rules as posted frequently & prominently on this forum.
Well I tell you this, I am going to carry on bumping those threads & posting the new errors I find until we get some sort of response from them.
Silence is not acceptable.

KK

So why can't Rival tell us themselves, is this part of their policy of silence on the recent issues?

Robrival has an account here, and TIV appeared recently to explain that his lack of postings was due to him being busy with the business side of things lately.

It seems the code of silence is worth breaking when a bit of misinformation lights a furnace under their OWN arses, but not when players feel "ripped off" by an avalanche of game rules saying one thing, and the game does something else after players have spent their own money to try it out.

At least the 89K cap was just a myth, this makes the searching questions disappear, as it behaves like ALL progressives. It also reveals that their claims for average when hit, etc, are based on trials of the game, and not some figures that are used to control the randomness of the progressive pool to manage when it hits.

 

[anniemac]

Not to derail this thread but Absolute doesn't answer emails either much less come on this forum. I sent one Sunday to manager via support. Sent an email request to Kat here on this forum to check on it for me. Resent email again today to manager. Have I got a reply? Not so much as a KISS MY A**.

I don't think they liked what I had to say part of which was about the Goldman fiasco.

 

[RobWin]

Amazing...NOTHING about Rival and all of its casinos surprise me any more...

Rival :machineguMe

 

[RobWin]

I have been asked by RobRival to correct the wrong information I was given by one of their affiliate teams (wrong information from Rival? <shock-horror> )

Apparently the jackpot is NOT capped at $89K, that is just the maximum figure it ever reached before paying out in their trials of the slot. The pot will continue to increase until it is won.

As you may be able to tell, I am posting this as a favour to Rival very begrudgingly because I am really pissed at them for continuing to ignore the serious (in my opinion) bugs & errors in their software & rules as posted frequently & prominently on this forum.
Well I tell you this, I am going to carry on bumping those threads & posting the new errors I find until we get some sort of response from them.
Silence is not acceptable.

KK

Maybe you should tell RobRival that the email I just received and I am guessing a heck of a lot of other folks too still have it wrong then...see below..



Hi Folks,

Paradise 8 Casino is extremely excited to announce the launch of our very first PROGRESSIVE JACKPOT game!!!

Major Moolah is a 3 Reel, 3 Coin slot game with a Jackpot that keeps growing with every wager that is placed in the game, across all Rival casinos. Players who hit this jackpot can win up to a massive $89,000!

$3000 Bonus Prize Only at Paradise 8!
Were so excited to finally offer a Progressive Jackpot game for our players that we are going to give an extra $3000 to whoever wins the first jackpot if the first Progressive Jackpot win is at Paradise 8!

Good Luck everyone!

Thanks for choosing Paradise 8 and enjoy Major Moolah!

 

[JSM_Jason]

Hi Everyone,

I'm sorry for the confusion regarding the progressive jackpot "cap".

This was partly the fault of us as affiliate managers, myself included.

In the Rival release doc for this new game, the max jackpot that they reached in their simulations was $89,000, therefore some of us wrongly wrote "up to" $89,000 jackpot in the release email to affiliates, when of course, there is no limit to the progressive jackpot. It simply keeps climbing rapidly until someone hits it.

So again, I'd like to apologize for my part in the confusion and once and for all clear this up: THERE IS NO CAP ON THE PROGRESSIVE JACKPOT.

Hope that helps!

Jason
Affiliate Manager - Paradise8, Cocoa Casino

 

[JSM_Jason]

Hi Everyone,

I'm sorry for the confusion regarding the progressive jackpot "cap".

This was partly the fault of us as affiliate managers, myself included.

In the Rival release doc for this new game, the max jackpot that they reached in their simulations was $89,000, therefore some of us wrongly wrote "up to" $89,000 jackpot in the release email to affiliates, when of course, there is no limit to the progressive jackpot. It simply keeps climbing rapidly until someone hits it.

So again, I'd like to apologize for my part in the confusion and once and for all clear this up: THERE IS NO CAP ON THE PROGRESSIVE JACKPOT.

Hope that helps!

Jason
Affiliate Manager - Paradise8, Cocoa Casino

 

[chuchu59]

This progressive slot does not really look as if it will make your adrenalin gush. I would really suggest Rival to look at the small-bet progressives like Cinerama and Wall Street of Playtech. These 5-reel slots can cater to small stake players who can still take aim at a huge progressive.

 

[zebedy]

at least with only 3 lines to play there shouldnt be any mix up on the payscale, or is there ? with all the bugs and incompetence lately who is confident about playing any new rival slot , i know im not

also what has it got to make me want to play it,
against,
looks as boring as hell
$3.00 a spin
if you win the jackpot you can only withdraw $2k aday $4k a week (not 100% sure of that but you know what i mean)

for,
the colours look pretty,

 

[Nifty29]

if you win the jackpot you can only withdraw $2k aday $4k a week (not 100% sure of that but you know what i mean)

Very good point.

Maybe someone from Rival could clarify this point for us?

I would hope they would make an exception for progressives - if they dont it is unacceptable IMO

 

[dendrite]

With respect to this progressive being an MG rip-off, I guess that when you really look around, ALL of the casinos have some sort of rip-off of other successful slots or ideas.

Take a look at how many variations of Wheel of Fortune there are around - 'Wheel of Cash', 'Reel of Fortune', 'Wheel of Wealth' etc etc.

Then, we could say that MEGA Moolah is a rip-off of IGT's MEGA Jackpots

Then we have some of the big gaming companies in law disputes with IGT, saying IGT take their ideas. It goes on and on...

I'm still waiting for a Lobstermania rip-off - my favorite IGT game 'cos it was the first one I ever played in Vegas...

 

[winbig]

I just had a chuckle at an email that TIV sent me advertising a bonus, and showcasing MM. You would think TIV would use a better pic when showing off major moolah, but check the balance, bet and win amount...

 

[chuchu59]

I just had a chuckle at an email that TIV sent me advertising a bonus, and showcasing MM. You would think TIV would use a better pic when showing off major moolah, but check the balance, bet and win amount...

Maybe this was done to not unnecessarily raise expectations of an easy win. I also tend to think this was a call for you to make deposits as the balance is $2.95, just $0.05 shy of making another spin at the oh-so lucrative JP. It wasnt going to hit before reaching $89K anyway.

I havent had a go at this one yet but I though the coin size was fixed. I see + and - signs either side of the coin size. Does that mean these can be adjusted?

 

[KasinoKing]

I havent had a go at this one yet but I though the coin size was fixed. I see + and - signs either side of the coin size. Does that mean these can be adjusted?

No they can't (I tried!)

Good point there - why have them?

 

[winbig]

No they can't (I tried!)

Good point there - why have them?

My guess is the programmers were lazy, and instead of adding a "Fixed Value" tag at the bottom of the coin denomination like MG does, they decided to take a shortcut and just disable the denomination selectors (- +.)