Reverse Engineering /Creating Custom Client/Exploiting Weakness And Unseen Bet Levels

[takethemoney]

First of all, I am not going to name a software, nor am I going to name any particular casino. I have been studying a possibility for some time. The only thing I am going to advise, with absolute urgency, is that anyone who keeps software from a known rogue casino group, immediately uninstall such software, ASAP! It is understood that some of us, myself included, have kept some known rogue casino softwares installed for the purposes of playing for fun. I completely understand. However, these rogues might be affecting the play of your "good casinos". Some of these clients have been registering incorrect bets and incorrect outcomes, but are not revealed in the front end of play, but the results fall far short of the expected outcome, by miles, in the end.

A friend, who is a software engineer helped me with this study. What he helped me find is that rogue casinos produce a unique client that appears to be proper, but that it makes different bets than the actual intended bet and provides what appears to be a true outcome, but in the end outstrips the real result. How it does this is by producing a blank spin to the eye of the user, when the real symbol displayed may have been a small win. He also showed me some back end stuff most of us never see in our computers, like what is running in the background when we play. At a point he demonstrated that there were multiple casino kernels running in the background, even though we only had one casino running. Others that were running were manipulating the outcomes of the legitimate casino, acting as though they were their own client. In other words, this is an infection, designed to sabotage the results you may get from a good casino.

Bottom line here, is get rid of any casino that you would not trust enough to deposit real money in. When it comes to software, anything can happen and to believe it does not is just naive'.

For obvious reasons, I will not be answering any requests for further detailed information. Please do not PM me, as I am not at liberty to say anything to anyone.

 

[LaHutti]

Interesting ...would be tenfold if we knew who we're talking about tho
Your post, interesting as it is, has very little value, as I'm sure others will tell you too, without any indication of who, what, where and how, but I guess that would force you to back your claims up....which I think you should do, if you're not just talking nonsense, and hallucinating.
What makes you think, that this only applies to rogue casinos, and not the so called "good casinos" using the same software.....have you "checked" any of the "good casinos" in the same way ?
It's some pretty harsh accusations........

 

[PaaskeDenmark]

I do not get any of this. but decided to say thank you, As it made me aware I need to get to bed now!!!
04.41 in UK what am I doing hehe....oh yes got holiday night night all

 

[takethemoney]

Interesting ...would be tenfold if we knew who we're talking about tho
Your post, interesting as it is, has very little value, as I'm sure others will tell you too, without any indication of who, what, where and how, but I guess that would force you to back your claims up....which I think you should do, if you're not just talking nonsense, and hallucinating.
What makes you think, that this only applies to rogue casinos, and not the so called "good casinos" using the same software.....have you "checked" any of the "good casinos" in the same way ?
It's some pretty harsh accusations........

Yes.
They do not have this issue. Please understand what I am trying to tell everyone. Uninstall the known rogues. At some later point this information may be published in more detail, but I certainly don't feel that telling you guys about this is going to hurt you more than letting you believe that keeping these "rodents" on your computer is ok. Get my drift?
There are casinos out there that have never paid a jackpot and those levels that they are up to have been questioned. We found those casinos kernel making the decision of the legitimate casino, even though the legitimate casino was the only one in play at the time.

When the hard drive was reformatted and only one or two casinos were reinstalled the game play became dramatically different.

 

[Nifty29]

Yes.
They do not have this issue. Please understand what I am trying to tell everyone. Uninstall the known rogues. At some later point this information may be published in more detail, but I certainly don't feel that telling you guys about this is going to hurt you more than letting you believe that keeping these "rodents" on your computer is ok. Get my drift?
There are casinos out there that have never paid a jackpot and those levels that they are up to have been questioned. We found those casinos kernel making the decision of the legitimate casino, even though the legitimate casino was the only one in play at the time.

When the hard drive was reformatted and only one or two casinos were reinstalled the game play became dramatically different.

What's the point of posting all of this unsubstantiated uncorroborated conjecture if you aren't going to name the software?

You're obviously happy to see other members get "cheated" in the meantime?

If I had a penny for every time someone said they knew "a guy" who could "prove" that online casinos "cheat", but they can't reveal what software it is, what the issue is, or who "the guy" is for some reason which isn't really apparent, I would be a rich man.

Your gameplay became "dramatically different" after a reformat? So where are the game logs from beforehand and after? Or is it just a feeling? How do you know you wouldn't have had the same experience if you hadn't reformatted? Did you reinstall the rogue casinos and test your gameplay again?

Unless you have at least medium-term game logs there is no way you can state if your gameplay is better, and even if you did it doesn't prove that better results, if they exist, areva result of removing the offending software.

You need to s*it or get off the pot. Reveal what you have, at least to Bryan and Max, or stop misleading members with "my friend said" conspiracy theories about casinos you can't name ( ) and stick to the facts......or, since you haven't presented any, wait until you have some.

I call BS based on what I've read so far.

 

[takethemoney]

What's the point of posting all of this unsubstantiated uncorroborated conjecture if you aren't going to name the software?

You're obviously happy to see other members get "cheated" in the meantime?

If I had a penny for every time someone said they knew "a guy" who could "prove" that online casinos "cheat", but they can't reveal what software it is, what the issue is, or who "the guy" is for some reason which isn't really apparent, I would be a rich man.

Your gameplay became "dramatically different" after a reformat? So where are the game logs from beforehand and after? Or is it just a feeling? How do you know you wouldn't have had the same experience if you hadn't reformatted? Did you reinstall the rogue casinos and test your gameplay again?

Unless you have at least medium-term game logs there is no way you can state if your gameplay is better, and even if you did it doesn't prove that better results, if they exist, areva result of removing the offending software.

You need to s*it or get off the pot. Reveal what you have, at least to Bryan and Max, or stop misleading members with "my friend said" conspiracy theories about casinos you can't name ( ) and stick to the facts......or, since you haven't presented any, wait until you have some.

I call BS based on what I've read so far.

Dude, time to get off your high horse. I think you can understand why I can't reveal my exact information or its sources. We are talking about rogue casinos here, not honorable ones. In time I may reveal all of it, but right now I can't. There are casinos that have access to the source code and have exploited it. For my personal safety I will not spill what I know. In the meantime, you can trust all casino software to be fair. That's fair, right?

 

[Seventh777]

So, you have a friend who is a software boffin, he has discovered (from your lead) that rogue casinos whom have access to source codes, and you cannot name, have created a way to cheat people using ways you cannot completely reveal, (showing screenshots without revealing names etc, would substantiate your findings here, a lot) alrighty.

This is spooky as I have a journalist friend who works for one of the MSM channels, who has followed up a lead I gave him regarding a huge celebrity who has been involved in sexual acts with a horse, we managed to film this although we cannot reveal who, or the particular sexual acts they were involved in, I can reveal however that the horse in question finished 27th once in the Grand National, and the woman in question is a female.

Tru story dat, honest.

 

[takethemoney]

Done here. I tried.

 

[LaHutti]

Yes.
They do not have this issue. Please understand what I am trying to tell everyone. Uninstall the known rogues. At some later point this information may be published in more detail, but I certainly don't feel that telling you guys about this is going to hurt you more than letting you believe that keeping these "rodents" on your computer is ok. Get my drift?
There are casinos out there that have never paid a jackpot and those levels that they are up to have been questioned. We found those casinos kernel making the decision of the legitimate casino, even though the legitimate casino was the only one in play at the time.

When the hard drive was reformatted and only one or two casinos were reinstalled the game play became dramatically different.

Ok ... now, I have a strong feeling I know what software you're talking about....have you contacted ..... insert software provider in question here....with this info, that you have ?
I would think that would be the least one could/should do, if one has solid proof of what you're telling us.

Edit: Just saw your latest post. Personally I would see no reason to keep software from a casino I don't trust, on my computer, and frankly I don't understand why anyone would, whether I thought they managed to fiddle with it or not. So in that regard, I see nothing wrong with your suggestion to remove them. There are plenty of other, trusted, casinos that offer "fun play".
I have a slight problem with you claiming to have proof of these things, and not want to do anythiing about it tho. As Nifty (I think) said ... you could contact Bryan with your information, and I'm pretty sure it could be kept confident....but ofcourse that's your call.

 

[funeral979]

I have to assume you are talking about RTG judging by your history here. Also, I know you believed at one point that there was a single RTP that was applied to you across all RTG casinos....do you still believe this to be true? Do your findings solidify this theory?

You lost me with the unseen bet levels???

Are you saying you have placed wagers and the amount deducted from your balance is more than what you wagered (at the "good" casinos). You have actually seen this on your accounts?

I usually have an open mind to conspiracy theories and such...but this seems a bit far fetched to me.

This immediately brought to mind 4OAK's sweeping theories about RTGs backend......and their concern for "personal safety"

 

[takethemoney]

Thanks all. I've told all I can. I hope you understand.

 

[darkfire]

Well, you should anyway be aware of what processes are running, especially when dealing with sensitive information. If you have malware or keyloggers running they could submit your login information to a third party and any of those can come shipped with an disreputable casino.

But for the whole "they're changing my gameplay" thing, I'm 100% sure that no established casino software will allow the client to make any kind of important decisions as that's just too easy to exploit, so all I can see malware (whether it comes from rogue casinos or not) doing is creating a perfect clone client of the casino you're meant to be playing, however really all it can do is display different betsizes and wins to you as what it sends to the server, but that shouldn't matter cause your balance shouldn't be stored on client.

Not only would that be a MASSIVE undertaking but what do they gain by that? If you're playing a legitimate casino who's financial outcome can be controlled by the client, then it really shouldn't be legitimate...

Either you're explaining your accusations badly or your software engineer friend isn't as good as he thinks he is.

 

[P.V.]

Seems speculative but additional info. could attest. More OP?

 

[Nifty29]

Thanks all. I've told all I can. I hope you understand.

I understand completely.

You're afraid that the casino/s involved are going to track you down and threaten or harm you. After all, you managed to, with the help of "some software engineer friend", find an incredible example of systemic cheating that nobody else on the internet has managed to spot. I mean, who else in the world would have thought about looking at background processes? Or multiple clients running? Maybe your friend can make some serious cash writing a book about how to spot cheating casinos.

I think you'll find the casinos involved will probably be laughing too hard to be concerned about any damage you might cause.

Well, you should anyway be aware of what processes are running, especially when dealing with sensitive information. If you have malware or keyloggers running they could submit your login information to a third party and any of those can come shipped with an disreputable casino.

But for the whole "they're changing my gameplay" thing, I'm 100% sure that no established casino software will allow the client to make any kind of important decisions as that's just too easy to exploit, so all I can see malware (whether it comes from rogue casinos or not) doing is creating a perfect clone client of the casino you're meant to be playing, however really all it can do is display different betsizes and wins to you as what it sends to the server, but that shouldn't matter cause your balance shouldn't be stored on client.

Not only would that be a MASSIVE undertaking but what do they gain by that? If you're playing a legitimate casino who's financial outcome can be controlled by the client, then it really shouldn't be legitimate...

Either you're explaining your accusations badly or your software engineer friend isn't as good as he thinks he is.

Now THAT is an explanation I can believe.

If we are talking about rogue in-house proprietary software, then I guess it might be possible,...but the OP indicated that having the rogues installed affects your results in the legitimate ones, so the software provider itself must be legitimate and widely used.


It it IS RTG, then it figures, as the OP has done nothing but complain about the payouts for ages....except of course the 3 RJ's in a few weeks and some other nice wins, which have obviously been stage-managed to encourage him to play it all back

Seems speculative but additional info. could attest. More OP?

He won't provide it, which should tell you something.

Seventh777 has hit the nail on the head. I actually believe his story over the OPs.

@takethemoney - forget the personal insults and provide some facts, either here or to Bryan. At present, I'm more interested in tracking down who this celeb was doing the horse...

I also note with interest that you ignored my request for logs for comparison. I get that it's far easier to drop a huge fart in the middle of the room, and then walk right out saying "I'm done", but we've all heard this stuff before so if you have proof then provide it, and I will most certainly listen.

 

[chayton]

I have a slight problem with you claiming to have proof of these things, and not want to do anythiing about it tho. As Nifty (I think) said ... you could contact Bryan with your information, and I'm pretty sure it could be kept confident....but ofcourse that's your call.

Agree with this - or if there's 'proof' or even a suspicion that rogue operators are able to somehow hack and/or bypass the software, then it's something that the software provider should be made aware of too. Something like that (as opposed to just not paying players) if proven would probably justify yanking licenses.

 

[vinylweatherman]

Microgaming casinos now show as multiple instances of the client. This is simply down to allowing games to be open in separate windows rather than tabs. ANY casino software that supports play in separate windows is going to show up as multiple processes. A bug in Microgaming can even leave the old client running in the background, and this does actually interfere with a newly launched client, often crashing it. I don't believe though that it can affect the outcomes of bets made with the client it is about to crash.

This kind of thing is only really possible where operators have easy access to the source code, or where a company owns both the software vendor and the casinos using it.

For those worried, but like to play rogues for fun, wind them up, investigation, etc; the simple answer is to use a separate PC just for this purpose so that their experimentation is quarantined from infecting their real play.

For this to be taken seriously, these results have to be reproduced by independent investigation, and this cannot be done at present due to the lack of detail. It may give others the incentive to look though, and although there is no detail, I bet many have a good idea where to start.

 

[Surasanji]

Why go to all the trouble, though?

Okay. So we've got Mr. Rogue Casino operator sitting in his Maltese or Costa Rican palace. (Sure.) And he's got a huge plan to ruin /other casinos/ by somehow reverse back-door hacking into their clients and ruining the games.

It doesn't sound like something a scammer would do. It sounds too expensive. Too complicated. If you want to be a good scammer, you KISS! (KEEP IT SIMPLE, STUPID!). Just get some guy to give you his phone number and call him up and ask for his Credit Card number. Or better yet- get him to give it to you on a dummy website that says 'WIN A FREE IPAD 3!

I really don't see a reason to go to all the trouble just to scam people. I get money- but it seems like it be easier to get people's money. Like by offering them Slot Machines and Table Games.

 

[Slotster!]

For this to be taken seriously, these results have to be reproduced by independent investigation, and this cannot be done at present due to the lack of detail. It may give others the incentive to look though, and although there is no detail, I bet many have a good idea where to start.

... and if nothing else encourages people to uninstall rogue casinos. That's got to be a good thing regardless.

 

[Nifty29]

... and if nothing else encourages people to uninstall rogue casinos. That's got to be a good thing regardless.

True, but I wasn't aware that any other reason was required to not have rogue casinos on their PC.

I can't understand, if legit casinos also use this software, why you would even need a rogue one? Why not play a legit one in fun mode? It just doesn't make sense.

I would like it if the OP explained why he had them installed at all....I am seriously curious.

 

[vinylweatherman]

True, but I wasn't aware that any other reason was required to not have rogue casinos on their PC.

I can't understand, if legit casinos also use this software, why you would even need a rogue one? Why not play a legit one in fun mode? It just doesn't make sense.

I would like it if the OP explained why he had them installed at all....I am seriously curious.

Simple,

REVENGE

 

[funeral979]

True, but I wasn't aware that any other reason was required to not have rogue casinos on their PC.

I can't understand, if legit casinos also use this software, why you would even need a rogue one? Why not play a legit one in fun mode? It just doesn't make sense.

I would like it if the OP explained why he had them installed at all....I am seriously curious.

Ok I can answer this one, at least why I used to do it.

I never liked to play in fun mode at a casino where I also played in real. I was afraid that I would be playing in fun and would get a huge hit on my favorite slot....and therefore ruin my chance of getting something big in real. I know that makes no sense, and fun and real are 2 seperate entities....but people are superstitious. So I didn't want to mess with my real play karma. The OP may of course have their own reasons...

Something else I was thinking of, why would a rogue casino want to run their own custom client in the background to mess with results of your play in one of the legit casinos? How would they profit from that?

 

[vinylweatherman]

Ok I can answer this one, at least why I used to do it.

I never liked to play in fun mode at a casino where I also played in real. I was afraid that I would be playing in fun and would get a huge hit on my favorite slot....and therefore ruin my chance of getting something big in real. I know that makes no sense, and fun and real are 2 seperate entities....but people are superstitious. So I didn't want to mess with my real play karma. The OP may of course have their own reasons...

Something else I was thinking of, why would a rogue casino want to run their own custom client in the background to mess with results of your play in one of the legit casinos? How would they profit from that?

They could make the player think the legit casino is cheating them, and thus switch over to the rogue, who will make sure THEIR client does not mess the player about (they will do this themselves when it comes to paying out).

There was an actual case where a casino group placed malware in it's client that crippled access to their competitors so that players would stick with them. They got busted and thrown into the pit.

 

[Nifty29]

Ok I can answer this one, at least why I used to do it.

I never liked to play in fun mode at a casino where I also played in real. I was afraid that I would be playing in fun and would get a huge hit on my favorite slot....and therefore ruin my chance of getting something big in real. I know that makes no sense, and fun and real are 2 seperate entities....but people are superstitious. So I didn't want to mess with my real play karma. The OP may of course have their own reasons...

Something else I was thinking of, why would a rogue casino want to run their own custom client in the background to mess with results of your play in one of the legit casinos? How would they profit from that?

Exactly. Why would they? Wouldn't you think the legit casino might see some kind of irregularity? Why can't this "expert software engineer" explain it all and change or cover the file names to retain secrecy?

The whole thing is ridiculous.

 

[bAdSmoker]

Why not just hijack the entire process and attach itself to lets say "Intertops" and clone it so it looks as if it's all legit and is indeed the casino you want to play at, but when you actually deposit to the casino "Casino XYZ" gets the deposit.

That would make a lot more sense to me and would be pretty simple to do with the given source code, of course this rogue casino would have to be installed first, in order for it to inject the code.

 

[Seventh777]

At present, I'm more interested in tracking down who this celeb was doing the horse...

I am really sticking my neck on the line here, but here are some stills from the video and pictures from our findings........

From last years Golden Globe awards......



The wedding.........



The honeymoon suite....



Disclaimer:- No animals were harmed in the making of this film, however, the same cannot be said regarding celebrity X in the sequel to honeymoon suite - `I`ve rode the Derby winner.......literally` .

 

[LaHutti]

I am really sticking my neck on the line here, but here are some stills from the video and pictures from our findings........

From last years Golden Globe awards......

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The wedding.........

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The honeymoon suite....

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Disclaimer:- No animals were harmed in the making of this film, however, the same cannot be said regarding celebrity X in the sequel to honeymoon suite - `I`ve rode the Derby winner.......literally` .

Sorry, I don't buy it.
The smiles on those horses faces, are not NEARLY big enough.

 

[jstrike]

If what the OP's saying is that there's downloadable rogue software that does something bad to legit casino clients, I can believe that. But I don't believe it can make you lose money. The spin outcomes, wins and losses are recorded against your account on the server side of the casino. There's nothing the client software can do that can change that. I guess it could lower the visible balance, and show you a blank spin, but how would that take real money out of your account on the server? Anyway, who'd profit from that...I mean, where would the real money go? If it changed your bet level to zero and showed you a fake spin, then no money would have been won or lost and your balance on the server would stay the same.

The only way a virus like that would make you lose money would be if it stole your credit card number and withdrew from your account. If that's what's going on, it becomes a problem for the casinos and card issuers, but that doesn't sound like what he's describing here.

 

[Nifty29]

If what the OP's saying is that there's downloadable rogue software that does something bad to legit casino clients, I can believe that. But I don't believe it can make you lose money. The spin outcomes, wins and losses are recorded against your account on the server side of the casino. There's nothing the client software can do that can change that. I guess it could lower the visible balance, and show you a blank spin, but how would that take real money out of your account on the server? Anyway, who'd profit from that...I mean, where would the real money go? If it changed your bet level to zero and showed you a fake spin, then no money would have been won or lost and your balance on the server would stay the same.

The only way a virus like that would make you lose money would be if it stole your credit card number and withdrew from your account. If that's what's going on, it becomes a problem for the casinos and card issuers, but that doesn't sound like what he's describing here.

Thankyou Strikemeister

More common.sense.....keep it comin'!!!

Oh I.forgot I owe you a PM....will ping you later.

 

[chayton]

A bug in Microgaming can even leave the old client running in the background, and this does actually interfere with a newly launched client, often crashing it. I don't believe though that it can affect the outcomes of bets made with the client it is about to crash.

I can always tell when a MG casino left something running in the background because it makes RTG run better!

 

[Seventh777]

Sorry, I don't buy it.
The smiles on those horses faces, are not NEARLY big enough.

I think he is worried that when this goes viral she will discover that his acting accolades will differ vastly from what he has told her, there is a huge drop in status from playing the lead role in War Horse to being the stunt double for Donkey in the Shrek movies .

 

[funeral979]

I can always tell when a MG casino left something running in the background because it makes RTG run better!

Funny that you mention that. When I used to be able to play Microgaming, I ALWAYS left one of their casinos running in the background when playing RTG, because RTG slots would run so much better that way

 

[Tirilej]

You don't need to have a casino running in the background. It's actually enough to have Casinomeister open.
I did that before, then I got me a new computer and don't need it anymore

 

[Nifty29]

I still think it is incredible that the OP drops this huge "bombshell" and then is off like a bride's panties as soon as questions are asked. I actually think that's pretty poor form.

It still confuzzles me why the technical details can't be revealed without naming the parties involved...?? Just doesn't make sense. Why can't the mysterious "software engineer' post here and answer questions anonymously?

Something else that makes no sense is why, if the OP is so concerned for his safety etc, he didn't just send it to Bryan and Co for them to look at and get advice on, and subsequently post their findings for the membership. No one would even know where the initial information originated so it would be 100% safe.

The fact that the OP decided to post here and make accusations of cheating by a secret operator, in a secret fashion, and confirmed by a secret person, speaks volumes about the OPs motives. From where I'm standing, it just appears to be a "I've been losing lately and I've discovered its not my fault for risking my money on games with a house edge but rather the software is cheating" rant which is just par for the course on gambling forums.....this one is just a bit more original.

If someone posts some factual evidence of cheating software/casinos I'm all ears.....the amigotech cheating games issue recently is a good example of people providing real facts and expert analysis to prove their accusations, and I.didn't see anyone doubting the data nor the conclusions.

I'll be all ears if the OP decides to engage us in the discussion, but it seems like he ran for the hills the first chance he got. Makes it very tough to afford him any credibility at all.

 

[Seventh777]

There was an actual case where a casino group placed malware in it's client that crippled access to their competitors so that players would stick with them. They got busted and thrown into the pit.

G-Fed iirc.

 

[takethemoney]

The biggest question asked by all, including myself, is why? The only answer I can think of is that people who do this sort of thing do it for bragging rights, much as hackers do. Some people are just malicious and get their entertainment doing bad deeds. The only thing that has been proven on my end is that whatever was done effects the play in such a way as to make reels drag, jerky, throws timing off and makes the games a pain in the butt to play. Any losses due to this are not substantiated and just suspicion, trusting that the servers on the good casinos are doing their math properly. With these casinos cleaned out and fresh install of software, these issues were eliminated. This thread had nothing to do with winning or losing, but just pointing out what had been found. Nobody has anything to worry about if you're playing good casinos, at least in this regard.

What bothers me is that people are capable of launching custom clients and there might be some potential to do damage. I'll tell you exactly why I had rogues installed. I enjoy the challenge of taking the endless free chips they hand out and trying to see how high I can get the balance, without risking my own money,knowing I would never cash out there. I save the good casinos for my real play.

 

[Nifty29]

The biggest question asked by all, including myself, is why? The only answer I can think of is that people who do this sort of thing do it for bragging rights, much as hackers do. Some people are just malicious and get their entertainment doing bad deeds. The only thing that has been proven on my end is that whatever was done effects the play in such a way as to make reels drag, jerky, throws timing off and makes the games a pain in the butt to play. Any losses due to this are not substantiated and just suspicion, trusting that the servers on the good casinos are doing their math properly. With these casinos cleaned out and fresh install of software, these issues were eliminated. This thread had nothing to do with winning or losing, but just pointing out what had been found. Nobody has anything to worry about if you're playing good casinos, at least in this regard.

What bothers me is that people are capable of launching custom clients and there might be some potential to do damage. I'll tell you exactly why I had rogues installed. I enjoy the challenge of taking the endless free chips they hand out and trying to see how high I can get the balance, without risking my own money,knowing I would never cash out there. I save the good casinos for my real play.

Are you serious?

What you just said then was completely different to what you said originally.

You now say it "just makes the games play better" and has "nothing to do with winning or losing"....when you first said:

However, these rogues might be affecting the play of your "good casinos". Some of these clients have been registering incorrect bets and incorrect outcomes, but are not revealed in the front end of play, but the results fall far short of the expected outcome, by miles, in the end.

rogue casinos produce a unique client that appears to be proper, but that it makes different bets than the actual intended bet and provides what appears to be a true outcome, but in the end outstrips the real result.

At a point he demonstrated that there were multiple casino kernels running in the background, even though we only had one casino running. Others that were running were manipulating the outcomes of the legitimate casino, acting as though they were their own client. In other words, this is an infection, designed to sabotage the results you may get from a good casino.

So, in other words, you made all these wild accusations, all backed up by your own Bill Gates, that these operators were cheating and affecting your results in other casinos, and then, when just about everyone called BS, you changed your tune to "it makes the games runs smoother". Everyone knows that uninstalling things you don't need improves performance.

Oh, and how about:

"When the hard drive was reformatted and only one or two casinos were reinstalled the game play became dramatically different."

Deliberately vague as "gameplay" can mean results or how well the slot spins...but I suspect you knew that.

So the moral of the story is that if you want the casinos where you play for real to run smoother, remove the ones you only play for fun.

Just like other "amazing cheating bombshells" we've seen around the place, it turns out to be a huge exaggeration of suspicions being presented as facts.

What a complete waste of a thread and everyone's time.

 

[vinylweatherman]

The biggest question asked by all, including myself, is why? The only answer I can think of is that people who do this sort of thing do it for bragging rights, much as hackers do. Some people are just malicious and get their entertainment doing bad deeds. The only thing that has been proven on my end is that whatever was done effects the play in such a way as to make reels drag, jerky, throws timing off and makes the games a pain in the butt to play. Any losses due to this are not substantiated and just suspicion, trusting that the servers on the good casinos are doing their math properly. With these casinos cleaned out and fresh install of software, these issues were eliminated. This thread had nothing to do with winning or losing, but just pointing out what had been found. Nobody has anything to worry about if you're playing good casinos, at least in this regard.

What bothers me is that people are capable of launching custom clients and there might be some potential to do damage. I'll tell you exactly why I had rogues installed. I enjoy the challenge of taking the endless free chips they hand out and trying to see how high I can get the balance, without risking my own money,knowing I would never cash out there. I save the good casinos for my real play.

This is not a bombshell, merely a description of what many have experienced, buggy casino software that can screw up your OS even after it has been exited. Microgaming is good at this, and there is plenty of evidence that RTG have a persistent bug in their client that makes it incredibly slow, but can be fixed by launching almost any other software in the background, such as a browser. Enzo explained what RTG had done, or rather had NOT done, which was to set a Windows variable to the correct value itself, but instead assume that everybody's PC had had this variable set correctly by something else. IE sets this variable correctly, which is why an RTG casino starts working properly when IE is launched in the background. If your PC has this variable set anyway, you don't suffer from poor RTG performance.

MGS update the client several times a month, but the process fails to clean up after itself, thus corruption grows in the fileset, leading to a steady deterioration in performance. This can be cured by a full uninstall and clear out of all traces of MGS, and starting from scratch. The MGS client itself takes a HUGE chunk of RAM, increasing every time a new feature is added. This leaves less for other processes, and can cause some PC configurations to struggle, or even fail altogether. I find that during the update, a single MGS client can hog close to 100% of available processor capacity over a prolonged period, and seems to load very slowly, and the games are close to unplayable. A budget machine doesn't stand a chance, and even my main PC tends to struggle, whereas when I bought it I could run FOUR simultaneous MGS casinos with little or no sign of it struggling. Now it shows signs of distress running ONE.

 

[funeral979]

This is not a bombshell, merely a description of what many have experienced, buggy casino software that can screw up your OS even after it has been exited. Microgaming is good at this, and there is plenty of evidence that RTG have a persistent bug in their client that makes it incredibly slow, but can be fixed by launching almost any other software in the background, such as a browser. Enzo explained what RTG had done, or rather had NOT done, which was to set a Windows variable to the correct value itself, but instead assume that everybody's PC had had this variable set correctly by something else. IE sets this variable correctly, which is why an RTG casino starts working properly when IE is launched in the background. If your PC has this variable set anyway, you don't suffer from poor RTG performance.

MGS update the client several times a month, but the process fails to clean up after itself, thus corruption grows in the fileset, leading to a steady deterioration in performance. This can be cured by a full uninstall and clear out of all traces of MGS, and starting from scratch. The MGS client itself takes a HUGE chunk of RAM, increasing every time a new feature is added. This leaves less for other processes, and can cause some PC configurations to struggle, or even fail altogether. I find that during the update, a single MGS client can hog close to 100% of available processor capacity over a prolonged period, and seems to load very slowly, and the games are close to unplayable. A budget machine doesn't stand a chance, and even my main PC tends to struggle, whereas when I bought it I could run FOUR simultaneous MGS casinos with little or no sign of it struggling. Now it shows signs of distress running ONE.

Thats all great,.....but what does this have to do with:

Blank spins?
Manipulating outcomes?
Unseen bet levels?

We were urged to uninstall all these infested casino softwares ASAP.

I would be quite surprised if the OP was using a play on words to make us believe our legit casinos were in grave danger of being infested...when all along he was trying to help us get our casinos running faster. Doesn't add up....and not something I expected from such a seasoned poster.

 

[Nifty29]

I would also assume that, given there is no longer any suggestion of cheating, the OP will be free to name the software and the offending casino.

Drum roll please.........

 

[pmutts]

It is late and I just glanced over the thread--except for Nifty29s OP

All I can say is that I have just have gut feeling he may be right about this and I have had this feeling quite some time. Some may call it paranoia but I say it is always better to err the side of caution.

No matter how much you clean your registry, you cannot remove everything on your computer without a clean install. If they have the license to RTG or Topgame software, or any other platform, then there are plenty of people out there capable for cracking into that code maliciously.

I do not think that most "Accredited Casinos" actually cheat players by manipulating software. I know for a fact that when I used to get on a roll--usually in Blackjack or VP--that I would get kicked off the server frequently. This was especially true of the English Harbour Group. I liken it to being shuffled up on in the casino. '

In another recent thread about uninstalling software I posted the following information about how to truly rid your computer of anything malicious:

It requires a lot of time and effort but IMO it is well worth it. If you do not know where to obtain a "shared" copy of Norton Ghost, my personal choice, then it would be a worthwhile investment not only for a "One Time Back Up." As we all know but so many fail to do, you should be backing up your data to an external drive regularly anyway.

Back up all documents, photos, and other personal files.

Do a clean install of Windows (or other operation system)

Install all updates

Reinstall all your applications

Use Norton Ghost or Acronis to make a "One time Backup" of your clean installation

Now whenever you feel the need to completely rid your computer of casinos or any other crapware, just back up your personal files again and restore your One Time Back Up of your Clean Installation.

Yes, it is a lot of work and very time consuming but once you have your backup you HAVE it. You will not have to go through the long process again.

 

[Slotster!]

, and even my main PC tends to struggle, whereas when I bought it I could run FOUR simultaneous MGS casinos with little or no sign of it struggling. Now it shows signs of distress running ONE.

That'll be your balance weighing it down... You need to lose some of it to lighten the load.

 

[Cleveland]

All I can say is that I have just have gut feeling he may be right about this and I have had this feeling quite some time.

Instead of wasting time taking a shot at Nifty maybe you should have used that time to read the entire thread instead of "glancing" at it as you put it.

There was no need to mention what you said about Nifty and to sum this entire thread up into "i have a gut feeling" is well

edit: Just for the record, yes I know this post goes against what I wrote in the other thread. The other thread came after I already wrote this post.

 

[chayton]

That'll be your balance weighing it down... You need to lose some of it to lighten the load.

If your theory is correct, then I should never have any trouble!

 

[vinylweatherman]

That'll be your balance weighing it down... You need to lose some of it to lighten the load.

Did that yesterday at Royal Vegas


Software STILL not running any better, so I reject your hypothesis