Responsible gambling

[Scott1baird]

Okay I watch a few streamers on twitch and YouTube, some raw cash some with depo bonuses. Okay the ones playing raw cash I can accept that they are allowed to bet without a Max bet .and the streamer who use a deposit bonus can usually bet what they want while still using there cash balance before hitting bonus money and are then only allowed to bet say £5 per spin Max same as the average Joe. My question is this.

Is it ethical for a casino to give a streamer a 500% bonus on deposits of 2k and then let them proceed with the wager without a Max bet? Surely this is wrong and sending out the wrong message to people who watch this? Anyone who uses this persons link to sing up at his casino will not have the same license to play without a Max bet. How many people would have not realised this and lost any winnings? Its false advertising on both the streamer's and the casinos in my opinion and should not be allowed.


Please note already said sorry about the "mate" thing no need to bring it up again.

 

[homerbert]

Hey mate!

Well, there will be simple question to be honest:

1) Do you have enough viewers to have such bonus (as a streamer = affiliate)

2) Do you ready to deposit 2k per each deposits?

Br,

V.

 

[goatwack]

I think most can tell that streamer bets/ wins aren't proportionate to the average gambler. Yet many will appear as though it's easy enough to do.

So yes, it will always be split down the middle in regards to ethics, and misleading showboating, round these 'ere parts.

God I've missed a good streamer thread

 

[Mouche12]

It should be made clear below the streamer's video that in case players sign up they should carefully read the T&Cs attached to this deposit bonus or even mention the most relevant terms to avoid any unclarity.

 

[Scott1baird]

Hey mate!

Well, there will be simple question to be honest:

1) Do you have enough viewers to have such bonus (as a streamer = affiliate)

2) Do you ready to deposit 2k per each deposits?

Br,

V.

Hi first that's not an answer to my question. Is it ethical?
Secondly I'm not your Mate. I dont know you and you sure as hell don't know me, I asked a question about responsible gambling and went through three scenarios, the first two are okay but the third in my opinion is damned wrong and should not be allowed. You have no right to ask me what I can deposit or whether or not I stream but I can tell from your comment that along as they are making the new players deposit and spend and loose money its not an issue and that "Mate" is how the modern streamer problem gamblers are created.

 

[Scott1baird]

Also say I was a streamer your saying if I had enough viewers I could get the same no Max betting rules when using a bonus? Would that still apply if I wasn't a streamer?

 

[mack341]

Okay I watch a few streamers on twitch and YouTube, some raw cash some with depo bonuses. Okay the ones playing raw cash I can accept that they are allowed to bet without a Max bet .and the streamer who use a deposit bonus can usually bet what they want while still using there cash balance before hitting bonus money and are then only allowed to bet say £5 per spin Max same as the average Joe. My question is this.

Is it ethical for a casino to give a streamer a 500% bonus on deposits of 2k and then let them proceed with the wager without a Max bet? Surely this is wrong and sending out the wrong message to people who watch this? Anyone who uses this persons link to sing up at his casino will not have the same license to play without a Max bet. How many people would have not realised this and lost any winnings? Its false advertising on both the streamer's and the casinos in my opinion and should not be allowed.

I tend to adopt a 'hardcore' position re these streamers, they should only get the same bonuses as everyone else, which will be a sign up bonus and then the occasional offer or loyalty bonus. The extended playtime from reload deposit match bonuses helps them get the big wins which they then use as click bait.

If they wish to risk their affiliate earnings by streaming everyday in the hope that they gain more sign ups that's a fair risk they should take, morally/ethically they should be taking the same financial risk of everyone else who've been encouraged/influenced to sign up [via the clickbait mainly]

The casinos should regulate themselves, they know it's unethical...it's funny you don't tend to see will hill or ladbrokes giving a streamer repeat bonuses, when it could gain them sign ups, maybe they haven't been approached that's another issue does the prospective streamer approach the casinos or the other way around?

 

[Scott1baird]

I tend to adopt a 'hardcore' position re these streamers, they should only get the same bonuses as everyone else, which will be a sign up bonus and then the occasional offer or loyalty bonus. The extended playtime from reload deposit match bonuses helps them get the big wins which they then use as click bait.

If they wish to risk their affiliate earnings by streaming everyday in the hope that they gain more sign ups that's a fair risk they should take, morally/ethically they should be taking the same financial risk of everyone else who've been encouraged/influenced to sign up [via the clickbait mainly]

The casinos should regulate themselves, they know it's unethical...it's funny you don't tend to see will hill or ladbrokes giving a streamer repeat bonuses, when it could gain them sign ups, maybe they haven't been approached that's another issue does the prospective streamer approach the casinos or the other way around?

I know. This particular streamer supposedly makes a very large withdrawal everytime he streams in the tens of thousands each and everyday, even if it is real money which I doubt as you never see deposits on the stream surely the casino can't make that amount back from the percentage of watchers who actually use the link?

 

[steveh35]

Okay I watch a few streamers on twitch and YouTube, some raw cash some with depo bonuses. Okay the ones playing raw cash I can accept that they are allowed to bet without a Max bet .and the streamer who use a deposit bonus can usually bet what they want while still using there cash balance before hitting bonus money and are then only allowed to bet say £5 per spin Max same as the average Joe. My question is this.

Is it ethical for a casino to give a streamer a 500% bonus on deposits of 2k and then let them proceed with the wager without a Max bet? Surely this is wrong and sending out the wrong message to people who watch this? Anyone who uses this persons link to sing up at his casino will not have the same license to play without a Max bet. How many people would have not realised this and lost any winnings? Its false advertising on both the streamer's and the casinos in my opinion and should not be allowed.

And you took part in JG Slots promo Scott?

 

[Scott1baird]

Watch steamers like nickslots, chipmunks and similar ones, now according to them they can and on occasion do deposit 2k, 3k and more each day but they have to ask for deposit bonuses and they have to stick to the same terms we get £5 Max bet and so on, so why does this particular streamer get prioritised over everyone else? The other streamer from the start clrearly state, only gamble what you can afford or please read the T&C as your will differ from mine. But not this one streamer. He has been with three casinos now the first he supposedly went bankrupt with, is he now being given fake money on a fake account to bring the punters in? If its true money shouldn't that casino be making sure there affiliate has this info on the screen? Just a simple please read the terms and conditions as they may differ from yours.

 

[mack341]

I know. This particular streamer supposedly makes a very large withdrawal everytime he streams in the tens of thousands each and everyday, even if it is real money which I doubt as you never see deposits on the stream surely the casino can't make that amount back from the percentage of watchers who actually use the link?

tens of thousands each day might be a stretch for them to recoup, but certainly that figure per week would be eclipsed I'd thought.

It is an interesting point you have raised though and the example you've used of tens of thousands won each day does ring alarm bells, is he perhaps just using the casino's account, so they can't lose as the winnings go back to them and then maybe they pay him a wage/retainer or allow him a very good affliate %

 

[Scott1baird]

And you took part in JG Slots promo Scott?

Yes I did.

 

[mack341]

sounds like fakestein most people assume he's not real

 

[ladyhawke]

Hi first that's not an answer to my question. Is it ethical?
Secondly I'm not your Mate. I dont know you and you sure as hell don't know me, I asked a question about responsible gambling and went through three scenarios, the first two are okay but the third in my opinion is damned wrong and should not be allowed. You have no right to ask me what I can deposit or whether or not I stream but I can tell from your comment that along as they are making the new players deposit and spend and loose money its not an issue and that "Mate" is how the modern streamer problem gamblers are created.

I agree the practice does seem to be unethical and could raise newbie gamblers expectations as to what Casinos offer. And perhaps streamers should post a disclaimer on their site that how they play is not representative of what the casino usually allows. However the casino's T&Cs should always - ALWAYS - be read by any player before depositing, irrespective of the source which led they to the casino.

Just my tuppence worth.

As for the rest.

IMO, your response to @homerbert is a little harsh.

Firstly he often addresses people as 'Mate', and secondly, although he didn't give you a direct answer as your question of whether or not it is ethical, he did give an insight as to how many streamers would be in the position to play the way you highlighted, and also how many players would be able to make such large deposits.

I also cannot see anywhere in his comment that is endorsing the fact that "but I can tell from your comment that along as they are making the new players deposit and spend and loose money its not an issue.."

And again I cannot see where he is telling you 'You have no right to ask me what I can deposit..."

Finally, many threads end up with replies that are not a direct response to the original post, but still add value.

 

[steveh35]

Yes I did.

So do you think Rob should have had a limit to bet as he got a bonus from Trada if so how would he have been able to do the competition?

 

[CC07]

Hi first that's not an answer to my question. Is it ethical?
Secondly I'm not your Mate. I dont know you and you sure as hell don't know me, I asked a question about responsible gambling and went through three scenarios, the first two are okay but the third in my opinion is damned wrong and should not be allowed. You have no right to ask me what I can deposit or whether or not I stream but I can tell from your comment that along as they are making the new players deposit and spend and loose money its not an issue and that "Mate" is how the modern streamer problem gamblers are created.

Scott - I think these were hypothetical questions aimed at the streamers being given the bonus and not you? Also, I think mate is being used like the way we would use “pal” here?

 

[Scott1baird]

So do you think Rob should have had a limit to bet as he got a bonus from Trada if so how would he have been able to do the competition?

As far as I am aware he did have limits on what he could bet per spin. And he did always say to read the terms and conditions of any competition.

I agree the practice does seem to be unethical and could raise newbie gamblers expectations as to what Casinos offer. And perhaps streamers should post a disclaimer on their site that how they play is not representative of what the casino usually allows. However the casino's T&Cs should always - ALWAYS - be read by any player before depositing, irrespective of the source which led they to the casino.

Just my tuppence worth.

As for the rest.

IMO, your response to @homerbert is a little harsh.

Firstly he often addresses people as 'Mate', and secondly, although he didn't give you a direct answer as your question of whether or not it is ethical, he did give an insight as to how many streamers would be in the position to play the way you highlighted, and also how many players would be able to make such large deposits.

I also cannot see anywhere in his comment that is endorsing the fact that "but I can tell from your comment that along as they are making the new players deposit and spend and loose money its not an issue.."

And again I cannot see where he is telling you 'You have no right to ask me what I can deposit..."

Finally, many threads end up with replies that are not a direct response to the original post, but still add value.

In his answer to me he did ask if I could deposit 2k per stream and if I had enough followers. Sorry about the "I'm not your mate"
Its a pet hate thing for me.

 

[Scott1baird]

Scott - I think these were hypothetical questions aimed at the streamers being given the bonus and not you? Also, I think mate is being used like the way we would use “pal” here?

I haven't deposited nor bet anything for weeks last place I deposited was Videoslots and I don't get deposit bonuses there. So I can see your question but its not bad feelings towards not getting bonuses myself. Its just pure ethics part I'm asking about.

 

[goatwack]

Oh come on. I'm nothing if not predictable

 

[Scott1baird]

On a good note I just learned how to double quote.

 

[CC07]

I haven't deposited nor bet anything for weeks last place I deposited was Videoslots and I don't get deposit bonuses there. So I can see your question but its not bad feelings towards not getting bonuses myself. Its just pure ethics part I'm asking about.

My post was about how you were interpreting Homerbert’s post and nothing else

 

[Scott1baird]

Oh come on. I'm nothing if not predictable

How did you find my video?

 

[Scott1baird]

My post was about how you were interpreting Homerbert’s post and nothing else

How would you interpreted his post? In case I missed something. I have said sorry for the mate part, but he didn't say if he thought it was ethical gambling just do I have 2k to deposit and do I have enough followers.

 

[ladyhawke]

As far as I am aware he did have limits on what he could bet per spin. And he did always say to read the terms and conditions of any competition.

In his answer to me he did ask if I could deposit 2k per stream and if I had enough followers. Sorry about the "I'm not your mate"
Its a pet hate thing for me.

It's the curse of the English language at work again. I am fairly certain @homerbert was using 'You' to encompass everyone, not you as such, instead of the more grammatically correct 'One' which sounds very officious. And as homerbert is not a native English speaker, he may not even be aware of the subtle grammatical nuances of the English language.

PS: We Aussies often address everyone - male or female - as 'Mate' - with no offence (mostly!) intended.

 

[CC07]

How would you interpreted his post? In case I missed something. I have said sorry for the mate part, but he didn't say if he thought it was ethical gambling just do I have 2k to deposit and do I have enough followers.

As in... if I was a streamer who had loads of followers of course a casino would offer better terms... I get that was the point of your post but his comments weren’t directed at you

 

[Scott1baird]

It's the curse of the English language at work again. I am fairly certain @homerbert was using 'You' to encompass everyone, not you as such, instead of the more grammatically correct 'One' which sounds very officious. And as homerbert is not a native English speaker, he may not even be aware of the subtle grammatical nuances of the English language.

PS: We Aussies often call address everyone - male or female - as 'Mate' - with no offence (mostly!) intended.

I'm from Glasgow (barrhead) and the wife's from London (Croydon) and when she calls me mate it usually means I'm in trouble.

 

[Scott1baird]

Okay getting off topic. Back to the question.


Do you think casinos should have a responsibilty when streamers are using there casinos that they should express that the terms and conditions might be different.

 

[ladyhawke]

I'm from Glasgow (barrhead) and the wife's from London (Croydon) and when she calls me mate it usually means I'm in trouble.

A walking dead man, eh?

 

[Mark_32Red (retired acct)]

Sorry Scott, great thread and discussion topic but please don’t take offence when being called ‘mate’ on a forum. It’s a friendly term and it’s unfair to think otherwise. Homerbert’s reply was quite succinct but if you have an issue with the questions please address those rather than the salutation.

It’s getting harder for us reps to respond in here without such pettiness.

Cheers buddy! (sic)

Mark

Edit: Just realised you apologied for the interpretation- my bad.

 

[goatwack]

Of course cue for clip #2:

 

[sufferinsilence]

Most streamers I watch include the most important T&C's in their ad in the space under the stream. I don't know if that's their own initiative or if the casino's they are promoting asked them this.

But IMHO casino's should have the responsibility to specify this in their contract with the streamer. Even more responsible would be if the streamer has the same T&C's even if he gets more and/or different bonuses.

 

[Scott1baird]

Sorry Scott, great thread and discussion topic but please don’t take offence when being called ‘mate’ on a forum. It’s a friendly term and it’s unfair to think otherwise. Homerbert’s reply was quite succinct but if you have an issue with the questions please address those rather than the salutation.

It’s getting harder for us reps to respond in here without such pettiness.

Cheers buddy! (sic)

Mark

Edit: Just realised you apologied for the interpretation- my bad.

What's your opinion about the topic?
Cheers for the reply Pal.

 

[Scott1baird]

Of course cue for clip #2:

Your just stalking now lol.

 

[Wondah]

That’s a good question Mate..!!

 

[TheAddict]

maybe the australian facing casino-mate will decide to open its doors to scotland under a sister site with the name casino-pal after reading this and the bonanza thread, resulting in casino-c$$$s&-t###s.com for the rest of the UK

;p

 

[ternur]

Sorry Scott, great thread and discussion topic but please don’t take offence when being called ‘mate’ on a forum. It’s a friendly term and it’s unfair to think otherwise. Homerbert’s reply was quite succinct but if you have an issue with the questions please address those rather than the salutation.

It’s getting harder for us reps to respond in here without such pettiness.

Cheers buddy! (sic)

Mark

Edit: Just realised you apologied for the interpretation- my bad.

There lies a good point in regards to postings on the forum. In some cultures, conversations are kept to the point, literally, while the same approach in other cultures might be seen as rude.

While we converse in English language here, it should be remembered, that many members are not native English speakers. Some obvious nuances and idioms of the language are most likely missed by us language challenged members. Please bear with us

 

[dionysus]

There lies a good point in regards to postings on the forum. In some cultures, conversations are kept to the point, literally, while the same approach in other cultures might be seen as rude.

While we converse in English language here, it should be remembered, that many members are not native English speakers. Some obvious nuances and idioms of the language are most likely missed by us language challenged members. Please bear with us

The Finnish members of a dog group I belong to get quite the chuckle out of my karjalankarhukoira's name..I name my pets after gods and mythological figures but get a giggle and head-scratch that I named her Kaali

 

[paul7388]

The Finnish members of a dog group I belong to get quite the chuckle out of my karjalankarhukoira's name..I name my pets after gods and mythological figures but get a giggle and head-scratch that I named her Kaali

Now if i ever had a dog like that i would never be able to say the breed yet alone spell it. Could you not just call it a Karelian bear dog

 

[ladyhawke]

The Finnish members of a dog group I belong to get quite the chuckle out of my karjalankarhukoira's name..I name my pets after gods and mythological figures but get a giggle and head-scratch that I named her Kaali

Now if i ever had a dog like that i would never be able to say the breed yet alone spell it. Could you not just call it a Karelian bear dog

"Its quick reflexes and fearless nature have made it very popular for hunting aggressive game, including bears, moose, and wild boar. It was the breed's ability to hunt and offer protection from bears that earned the breed its name."

Had to google the breed - beautiful dogs, but can't see them coming to any suburban back garden near me anytime soon as my neighbourhood is sadly lacking in bears, moose and other aggressive wild animals. OK...the kids who go to the primary school at the top of the street just might qualify!

 

[dionysus]

Now if i ever had a dog like that i would never be able to say the breed yet alone spell it. Could you not just call it a Karelian bear dog

lol, i do, but temur's fiinish and it's their national dog, so i wrote the long name

 

[dionysus]

"Its quick reflexes and fearless nature have made it very popular for hunting aggressive game, including bears, moose, and wild boar. It was the breed's ability to hunt and offer protection from bears that earned the breed its name."

Had to google the breed - beautiful dogs, but can't see them coming to any suburban back garden near me anytime soon as my neighbourhood is sadly lacking in bears, moose and other aggressive wild animals. OK...the kids who go to the primary school at the top of the street just might qualify!

i dont hunt - best she does is hunt a cheese sammich

 

[EkJR]

There is a big difference in some streamers and we can't tar them all with the same brush. Roshtein(is it even real) seems to be completely unrestricted in what he can do. Then you have guys like Nickslots and Slotspinner who have to abide by normal max bet on bonus rules and actively promote responsible gaming.

 

[goatwack]

Promoting Responsible Gambling (whatever that means these days) would entail them stating that people shouldn't bet like that, or preferably not to gamble at all.

Visually endorsing anything higher than 40p bets and saying "Look! we've told people to be responsible!" isn't responsible in the least. Choosing between watching their antics across various streamers is like choosing which STI you'd like best

 

[Harry_BKK]

I watched some winner videos from streamers in my research and found one thing very funny.

The were betting 4, 5, 6, 10, 20, 50 and some even more Euro/spin, yet the vast majority of their balance had pennies.... e.g. 1,745.81. You will never get penny pays on bets of that size. Maybe 0.50 steps but never single pennies.

Why do they do that?

- Are they trying to imply they play like us normal mortals?
- Are they playing with penny bets before they start streaming and only do bigger bets while they are live (which I would find morally questionable if not corrupt)
- Any other reason?

 

[sufferinsilence]

I watched some winner videos from streamers in my research and found one thing very funny.

The were betting 4, 5, 6, 10, 20, 50 and some even more Euro/spin, yet the vast majority of their balance had pennies.... e.g. 1,745.81. You will never get penny pays on bets of that size. Maybe 0.50 steps but never single pennies.

Why do they do that?

- Are they trying to imply they play like us normal mortals?
- Are they playing with penny bets before they start streaming and only do bigger bets while they are live (which I would find morally questionable if not corrupt)
- Any other reason?

Some of them start their stream on smaller bets (read: €1 to 2) and when they hit bigger they'll up their bets.

 

[Scott1baird]

I decided to take the majority of streamers of my lists, I kept chip, nick, kimi, jumbo and last but not least the great great dazza g.

 

[Scott1baird]

What I noticed was that most of them when they started they were doing smallish bets like 40p 80p to start then as they grew so did the bets but that's normal for most gamblers but its when they start streaming from first time doing Max bets unless your have a huge bankroll or the casino is helping then something isn't right, even 2k a night is 14k a week, and this streamer would deposit up to 5k "raw" four or five times a night.

 

[irish-ranger]

What I noticed was that most of them when they started they were doing smallish bets like 40p 80p to start then as they grew so did the bets but that's normal for most gamblers but its when they start streaming from first time doing Max bets unless your have a huge bankroll or the casino is helping then something isn't right, even 2k a night is 14k a week, and this streamer would deposit up to 5k "raw" four or five times a night.

I only started watching these streamers last month and that lasted for 3 days until I realised all is not as it seems.
They are a bigger come on that a 17mil mega moloah jp hence why the constant decent wins on what ever bet they are on.
As for the idiot I watched playing DOA dressed as a cowboy he needs sent to the salt mines.

 

[Harry_BKK]

What I noticed was that most of them when they started they were doing smallish bets like 40p 80p to start then as they grew so did the bets but that's normal for most gamblers but its when they start streaming from first time doing Max bets unless your have a huge bankroll or the casino is helping then something isn't right, even 2k a night is 14k a week, and this streamer would deposit up to 5k "raw" four or five times a night.

I have two acquaintances shifting about 1 million Euro / month through Neteller. They play every day, nearly all day. To date, they are in profit and not by just a little. I posted a DOA screenshot with a 60K odd win in the DOA 2 thread, that was from those two.

What we do with our 20 - 100 deposits is bluntly said "peanuts" for the casinos, maybe not even that much. We might be the "bread and butter" for casinos, or better said we are the "bread" and they are the "butter" which is much more valuable than the bread.

 

[Harry_BKK]

Some of them start their stream on smaller bets (read: €1 to 2) and when they hit bigger they'll up their bets.

Why are there no winner videos with the small bets that got them the balance to go higher?