Random - Is it Just More Than The Machine?

[MisterBJ]

I know there are tons of threads about RTP and RNG. There are threads about fairness and rigging. But I've noticed something else as well. Could random play more of a part of who you are? Or even the Karma that's in the air? For example my wife and I went to the casino. It didn't matter what slot I played. I was going to lose that TODAY. But my wife could go get on any slot and WIN WIN WIN. She could even come behind me and WIN on the same game that I lost on. I can play Poker one day and can catch hands left and right. Later the same day, move to the BJ table and go on a 7 hand losing streak. The final day the slots are HOT for me. And NOT so for my wife. Again, some people are just plain LUCKY. While others no matter how much they try, luck is just not on their side. When it comes to gambling.

 

[Slotster!]

Sadly it can all be perfectly logically explained in the numbers and statistics. That's it. There's nothing else to it.

Psychology plays a big part with people who like to gamble; it doesn't help that the games are specifically designed to take advantage of certain mental triggers and persuasions also.

It makes it fun for your Wife though and vice-versa... all part of the game.

More succinctly: Gamblers, generally speaking - are mental.

 

[Balthazar]

I know there are tons of threads about RTP and RNG. There are threads about fairness and rigging. But I've noticed something else as well. Could random play more of a part of who you are? Or even the Karma that's in the air? For example my wife and I went to the casino. It didn't matter what slot I played. I was going to lose that TODAY. But my wife could go get on any slot and WIN WIN WIN. She could even come behind me and WIN on the same game that I lost on. I can play Poker one day and can catch hands left and right. Later the same day, move to the BJ table and go on a 7 hand losing streak. The final day the slots are HOT for me. And NOT so for my wife. Again, some people are just plain LUCKY. While others no matter how much they try, luck is just not on their side. When it comes to gambling.

If you're asking if some sort of supernatural power have an influence on your gambling experience then the answer is no.

 

[IanO]

If you're asking if some sort of supernatural power have an influence on your gambling experience then the answer is no.

Of COURSE the supernatural can affect your gaming experience.

Have you never heard of 'The Spirit of the Bonus'

 

[wobble33]

Of COURSE the supernatural can affect your gaming experience.

Have you never heard of 'The Spirit of the Bonus'

YES i have ian nice one.

 

[nisosbar]

Actually, this is a good reminder that variance is real.

I remember a couple years back at the Tropicana in AC playing a little NLHE poker and I was dealt aces THREE TIMES. Within the space of 20 minutes. Also got kings once. It was amazing. I even started wondering if, for some weird reason, it had been rigged in my favor, lol.

 

[dunover]

As you can see from my avatar I have significant stocks of aluminium foil, and am adept at modelling fashionable headgear from it. I can also supply Faraday cages for you to gamble in. This will almost certainly result in you making w/d after w/d. Should you require one, please PM me and I'll take your order.

 

[Mousey]

Anyone ever see the movie, the Cooler? A guy (the Cooler) stands next to someone at the tables and that poor player begins losing... Well... I am the opposite of a Cooler. You sit down beside me, you win. You play the same slot I've been feeding for ages and you will win... Hubby, who was getting reamed at the BJ table, waved me down as I walked by. 'Stand here a minute' he says. Dealer says, 'she can't tell you what to play'. 'I know how to play, she's my good luck charm.' We all just laughed. He upped his bet, each hand (he plays a progression) and got BJ 4 out of 5 hands. I stayed till he'd won his money back and wandered on. The dealer wasn't laughing anymore....

 

[chayton]

I wanna go to the casino with Mousey!!!

 

[Dipity]

Anyone ever see the movie, the Cooler? A guy (the Cooler) stands next to someone at the tables and that poor player begins losing... Well... I am the opposite of a Cooler. You sit down beside me, you win. You play the same slot I've been feeding for ages and you will win... Hubby, who was getting reamed at the BJ table, waved me down as I walked by. 'Stand here a minute' he says. Dealer says, 'she can't tell you what to play'. 'I know how to play, she's my good luck charm.' We all just laughed. He upped his bet, each hand (he plays a progression) and got BJ 4 out of 5 hands. I stayed till he'd won his money back and wandered on. The dealer wasn't laughing anymore....

Come fly to my apartment and sit next to me while I play DoA please!

 

[Mousey]

I wanna go to the casino with Mousey!!!

Come fly to my apartment and sit next to me while I play DoA please!

Best we can tell, it only lasts maybe 10/15 hands/spins... then everything is back to normal. LMAO

A lady at the casino during our last trip sat beside me... 'i just need to sit a minute' she says. I said 'that's fine'. 'i don't know how to play video poker anyway' she says. I laughed, ' that's ok, you can just sit. But you know people win who sit beside me.' She pulled out a $20 and put it in the machine, laughing, 'ok, i'll bite. Let's try it. And maybe I'll be lucky enough for a cocktail waitress to show up, too.' I was famished and dying for a drink (hadn't seen the waitress all afternoon), then one comes bouncing by. We ordered waters. I showed my neighbor the basics of playing. She knew table poker, so she at least knew the hands to play for. She lost 3 hands in a row. 'not working' she says. I said, 'keep going'. Next hand, she was dealt garbage, and I told her to dump it all when she asked. She drew 4 K's. I hadn't had so much as 3ok, much less 4ok. She walks off with over $100, and left me on my own feeding the machine....

She came back a few minutes later with her elderly friend. 'sit and play beside this lady'. 'Honey, i was just kidding, ya know.' 'Yeah', she says, 'I know. But if it works...'

We're such a superstitious lot.... LOL

 

[MisterBJ]

We're such a superstitious lot.... LOL

I don't think it's superstitious. I believe there is something to it. Some (same) people, even members of this forum. Will win numerous Random Jackpots. While some will NEVER win one. Sometimes you can play online and every thing you touch turns to gold. I have a friend who plays scratch off lottery. He plays on average maybe $200 a week. He wins $500 a lot playing $10 scratch off. Last month he won $150,000 off $10 scratch off. I play and can't even win a free ticket.

 

[cpdnd31]

There is a book called the Secret. it was published years ago. it talks about how you make and create you own desire and or path in life. One of the main points in the book was how if you change your thinking pattern you can become successful. Well I tried it here is what i did. I was getting hit with a lot of medical bills, so every time I would here the mailman I would say great my bills are here today. Well after reading the book. Every time I heard the mail man I would say ok money in the mail today within a week a refund check I had no clue about showed up and it was a large amount. After that if I see myself thinking negatively I completely change my frame of thought.

So was it coincidence or did I will it in?

Deep thoughts!

 

[dionysus]

I don't think it's superstitious. I believe there is something to it. Some (same) people, even members of this forum. Will win numerous Random Jackpots. While some will NEVER win one. Sometimes you can play online and every thing you touch turns to gold. I have a friend who plays scratch off lottery. He plays on average maybe $200 a week. He wins $500 a lot playing $10 scratch off. Last month he won $150,000 off $10 scratch off. I play and can't even win a free ticket.

Well, that's rather it...as you said, some hit a lot, some don't...that kind of shows it IS random..after all, if everyone were getting RJs it wouldn't be random at all.
People also forget some of those people who 'hit a lot and 'hit big' may well spend thousands upon thousands of dollars, winning AND losing..we often see all the winning stories, not all the losing ones.
I can think of one place where people go 'omg, look at all his screenies, wtg, must be nice' but are rarely privy to how much was lost and even when its apparent, dont notice the huge dip in bankroll. It's great to win 1k..not so much if the person sunk 2k to get it.

 

[Mouche12]

Interesting thread

I like to think that I will once be able to predict a good hit say a few spins beforehand and raise my bet of course

The big hits I had were, however, totally unexpected, there was not a sign or voice telling me "hey raise your bet NOW!".

 

[dunover]

I think it's all down to the 'lucky dust' they bestow upon certain players - randomly of course.

 

[mathsboy1975]

I know there are tons of threads about RTP and RNG. There are threads about fairness and rigging. But I've noticed something else as well. Could random play more of a part of who you are? Or even the Karma that's in the air? For example my wife and I went to the casino. It didn't matter what slot I played. I was going to lose that TODAY. But my wife could go get on any slot and WIN WIN WIN. She could even come behind me and WIN on the same game that I lost on. I can play Poker one day and can catch hands left and right. Later the same day, move to the BJ table and go on a 7 hand losing streak. The final day the slots are HOT for me. And NOT so for my wife. Again, some people are just plain LUCKY. While others no matter how much they try, luck is just not on their side. When it comes to gambling.

In my opinion it is all just probability and variance. Having said that, I understand what you are saying - I recall days (even as long as a week) when every bet I placed came in. I was on fire and could do no wrong. I can still remember these periods. The same can be said of days when everything I touched turned to sh*t. I personally feel that these phases stay in the memory more because they are the extreme ends of the win-lose spectrum. I cannot recall days of 50-50 breaks because there are so many and there is nothing to remember. I can remember losing 4.5K on horses in a single day and I can remember an NFL accumulator coming in paying out 3.5K - It's just the extreme nature of these events that makes them stick in my mind.

As for jackpots and stuff like that it is simply down to probability and luck. Then of course you have deeper aspects of luck that are nothing to do with finance such as health/family/career etc and you open a philosophical can of worms.

As for this notion of positive thinking bringing you luck then I don't buy it at all. Random number generators, Dice rolls, cards dealt - its all just probability. A 10 player poker tourney will still have just one winner no matter how positively they wish for it.

 

[chayton]

The best hits I've ever gotten have been within the first few spins at a game. Basically boom with no warning at all. So in that way yes I believe it's random.

Although I have to say I don't understand how a game that's completely random can be as streaky as some of them are. You'd think that you could get spin=crap, spin=crap, spin=jackpot! but it doesn't seem to work that way. Not for me anyhow. Also if I'm playing a slot with a free spin feature and the game is paying like crap and I hit the feature, the feature pays crap too.

And that being said, I seem to win more when I have more money in the bank. I don't know if it's that subconsciously I'm playing a little looser or taking more risks or whatever. But if I'm on the last few bucks of my budget and playing carefully I can't get anywhere.

 

[mrmark21]

I don't believe rubbing the slot machine screen will cause the machine to payout. I also think that many superstitions have a psychological factor to them: They'll work once out of a thousand goes and people will psychologically trick themselves into believing that it works.

I like to play knock knock with slot machines, tapping the screen "anyone in there" more of a practical joke to make whoever I'm with laugh than anything else lol!

What do I believe? I'm an open minded person and although people have been conditioned towards a closed mind there's allot we still don't know about the universe. I think humans create allot of energy in the universe. The subconscious can also be a huge factor.

I don't think anything we are doing right now has any influence over these games though and it would be allot more complex than simply rubbing a screen

 

[Jasminebed]

It's the nature of people to try to form order out of chaos, reason out of randomness.

I suspect the "luck" of gamblers with good luck and bad luck is mostly the same over the long haul, and just which end of the spectrum is most remembered. Those gambling more than a few times will have had both good streaks and bad streaks, with the bad streaks outnumbering the good streaks and lasting longer.

Those that don't gamble at all may see only the lucky times, but they are ahead overall usually over us "lucky" ones.

I paid for any luck I get IMO. It's why casinos continue to be profitable businesses.

To paraphrase Forest Gump: Random is as Random does.

 

[Mousey]

Jasmine has it ...

Truth is... gambling can be very streaky (whether I'm sitting beside you or not ). A good run of cards is just as 'weird' and as likely to happen as a bad run - same on slots or VP.

The real reason Hubby wanted me to stand beside him at the BJ table was because he wanted me to watch 3rd base player refuse to hit anything above a 13 or 14.... When Hubby got a couple of good hands (with me, his err... good luck charm ... standing there) that player got up and left.

Side question/note: I wonder if there's some sort of alternate basic strategy for BJ common among the Asian community? Often times it's Asian players who won't hit on 13 or above... or 15 and above. (Then again... maybe the guy at 3rd base was counting...)

As for the lady who sat beside me at the VP machine.... happens all the time. Folks get a decent hit and take their money and move on -only to put it in another machine and the casino still gets their pound of flesh (3% - 7%) regardless. I had a bad session and might have had a good one any other time. That's gambling. And it's our attitude and mood which affects our view. I was having a crappy trip, wasn't hitting anything, and when that happens my mood goes sour and I feel as if 'everybody can win but me'.

We see patterns because our brains search to make sense of what we experience. Our brains do not seem to like 'random' or chaos. Our personal experiences are always ... well... personal. The casino wins in the end whether I win or lose.

 

[dunover]

There is a book called the Secret. it was published years ago. it talks about how you make and create you own desire and or path in life. One of the main points in the book was how if you change your thinking pattern you can become successful. Well I tried it here is what i did. I was getting hit with a lot of medical bills, so every time I would here the mailman I would say great my bills are here today. Well after reading the book. Every time I heard the mail man I would say ok money in the mail today within a week a refund check I had no clue about showed up and it was a large amount. After that if I see myself thinking negatively I completely change my frame of thought.

So was it coincidence or did I will it in?

Deep thoughts!

Sorry, not being impertinent but these 'books' are written by winners and bought by losers - usually. They are almost a self-fulfilling prophecy, in that the author pontificates on how to 'think yourself rich' or 'use positive energy'. He/she has already become wealthy, if not will become so by virtue of the book. They are usually written by the same sort of glib people who delight in old clichés like 'it takes uses more muscles to frown than smile' etc. In reality too much expectation leads to excessive disappointment. 'Shape your circumstances, don't let them shape you' would probably be more appropriate. In everyday life we always hear the tired old crap whereby people say 'if I won the lottery.....blah blah'. Well, to me that says it all about the person. The fact that they say that means subconsciously they are telling you that they have accepted this is the only way they'll ever be successful in life. Oh yes, it's dressed up as 'dreaming' and 'hope' but I see it as defeatist. I think it's dangerous to view or perceive normal events as having come from some sort of willing or outside influence.

 

[MisterBJ]

Sorry, not being impertinent but these 'books' are written by winners and bought by losers - usually. They are almost a self-fulfilling prophecy, in that the author pontificates on how to 'think yourself rich' or 'use positive energy'. He/she has already become wealthy, if not will become so by virtue of the book. They are usually written by the same sort of glib people who delight in old clichés like 'it takes uses more muscles to frown than smile' etc. In reality too much expectation leads to excessive disappointment. 'Shape your circumstances, don't let them shape you' would probably be more appropriate. In everyday life we always hear the tired old crap whereby people say 'if I won the lottery.....blah blah'. Well, to me that says it all about the person. The fact that they say that means subconsciously they are telling you that they have accepted this is the only way they'll ever be successful in life. Oh yes, it's dressed up as 'dreaming' and 'hope' but I see it as defeatist. I think it's dangerous to view or perceive normal events as having come from some sort of willing or outside influence.

I would think, if I was going to buy a book on this subject. I would rather a winner who has won to write it. Then opposed to a loser like myself to have wrote it. A Loser can only tell a loser how to lose. But a winner can tell a loser how to win.

 

[dunover]

I would think, if I was going to buy a book on this subject. I would rather a winner who has won to write it. Then opposed to a loser like myself to have wrote it. A Loser can only tell a loser how to lose. But a winner can tell a loser how to win.

Yes, but that's my point - why would a natural winner feel the need to buy a book of someone else's triumphs?
I've never yet seen a autobiography whereby someone like Richard Branson or Bill Gates stated they bought a book and that it was the foundation for their success!
A loser could indeed write a book, and become effectively a 'winner' if enough people fell for it.