Questions for Pragmatic Play and using Streamers

[Deeplay]

I wonder whats the deal with this Stake dot com casino ? Why all these fucking yelling idiots play there ? Whats the deal with those ridicilous bets they do and YELL like retards.. Yelling like your foot is being amputated while someone fistfucks your eye when winning 100k monopoly money doesnt make any sense to me.

Thats exactly what it is "Monopoly money" no chance in hell any of these shite casinos would pay out such massive wins on such a regular basis. And whoever in marketing thinks its good for business to see some idiot shout OMG 1001 times when they have won a fake cash out they need to think again.

While its appreciated that Dan takes the time to respond here - Pragmatic play themselves as a company getting suckered into the whole streaming side of things with the most toxic streamers in the "industry" makes them loose all credability in my view.

 

[Spikie]

Thanks to Dan for the insight....

I may be wrong , but from what Dan says and reading between the lines , if the players lose money then the provider makes money .

The casinos give the streamers free money to play (100 % match bonuses , or 300% match on the crypto casinos, or money per video or stream )

The house edge (RTP) means over time the players lose . But the streamer bonuses ( and signups) mean the streamer wins or keeps themselves above water .

The casino ( house) may not have to pay the streamer much or all of any cash out, depending on their deal, but the casino still has a cost base of streamer bonuses and provider percentages.

The casino must still pay the provider ( Pragmatic or others) a percentage of loss on the game .

So if the casinos have a marketing budget , streamer costs are factored in as well as payouts to providers. If casinos have it worked out well , new customers make these expenses worthwhile. If not then they lose money and have to lower RTP and piss off their normal customers, starting a vicious cycle .

I would hazard a guess that maybe there are some terms in the provider agreements that have a lower percentage for a certain amount of time to cover “promotional activities” of new games , so that casinos are more likely to push these games to streamers to play .


I can’t see how a provider can be dodgy and keep their gaming license valid . It is not some back door promotion , streamers are out in the open for any gaming authoritiy to look at.

The provider has more to lose than any casino . BTG just sold for 450 million , not worth risking a license for .
Not many casinos are worth anywhere near that amount .

Maybe Pragmatic are getting a beating where it is the casinos promoting the excessive bets that should be first in line for the attack....

 

[Kroffe]

Maybe Pragmatic are getting a beating where it is the casinos promoting the excessive bets that should be first in line for the attack....

 

[ADGER]

Hey Guys, hope you are enjoying our new releases We have seen a few negative feedbacks from some of our fans in regards of the “Fake Streamers” and we would like to clarify a few things with you to help understanding how this works.

First of all, we always supported the “Streamers Community” from day one with giveaways and nice promotions because our interest is to entertain you as much as we can and because we do believe that it is a wonderful and entertaining way of getting in touch with all of you. Over time the community got bigger but the fact that we were very present from day one made us popular among all the streamers before any other provider. We also have a lot of bonus buy features in our games, which are quite appealing to streamers because action is almost guaranteed.

We want to make clear that we never gave and will never give test accounts to streamers. We understand your concerns about “fake streamers” not playing with real money, but we do not have control of it since the commercial agreements are always between Casinos and Streamers. We have no insight on the deposits and if they are real or not, no Game Provider does.

We work very hard to give you the best gaming experience as possible with many exciting slots every month and different products and we can feel your appreciation every day. A Big Thank You to Casinomeister for giving us the opportunity to clear this topic out

Doesn't answer question though.but what if these streamers getting fill of fake balance what comes down to percentage of each SPIN doing whether win or lose who pays that the casino

 

[ADGER]

Thanks to Dan for the insight....

I may be wrong , but from what Dan says and reading between the lines , if the players lose money then the provider makes money .

The casinos give the streamers free money to play (100 % match bonuses , or 300% match on the crypto casinos, or money per video or stream )

The house edge (RTP) means over time the players lose . But the streamer bonuses ( and signups) mean the streamer wins or keeps themselves above water .

The casino ( house) may not have to pay the streamer much or all of any cash out, depending on their deal, but the casino still has a cost base of streamer bonuses and provider percentages.

The casino must still pay the provider ( Pragmatic or others) a percentage of loss on the game .

So if the casinos have a marketing budget , streamer costs are factored in as well as payouts to providers. If casinos have it worked out well , new customers make these expenses worthwhile. If not then they lose money and have to lower RTP and piss off their normal customers, starting a vicious cycle .

I would hazard a guess that maybe there are some terms in the provider agreements that have a lower percentage for a certain amount of time to cover “promotional activities” of new games , so that casinos are more likely to push these games to streamers to play .


I can’t see how a provider can be dodgy and keep their gaming license valid . It is not some back door promotion , streamers are out in the open for any gaming authoritiy to look at.

The provider has more to lose than any casino . BTG just sold for 450 million , not worth risking a license for .
Not many casinos are worth anywhere near that amount .

Maybe Pragmatic are getting a beating where it is the casinos promoting the excessive bets that should be first in line for the attack....

I believe that it is not the provider but its all to do with the casino, when fake fills

 

[Jono777]

Have Pragmatic run generic updates across all/most of their slots recently?

Reason I ask is I think the audio has changed in the ones I play, mostly noticed it in the battles Thursday gone.

Anyone who replies please tag me @ ... as I'll miss it otherwise lol

 

[bamberfishcake]

@Jono777 not sure about Pragmatic as I don't play their games.

But, Yggdrasil has changed the sounds on theirs recently. I think its because wins under stake size are not supposed to be celebrated under UKGC guidelines.

If it is wins under stake size, that will be why.

 

[paul7388]

@Jono777 No idea play with sound off.

 

[Kroffe]

@Jono777 not sure about Pragmatic as I don't play their games.

But, Yggdrasil has changed the sounds on theirs recently. I think its because wins under stake size are not supposed to be celebrated under UKGC guidelines.

If it is wins under stake size, that will be why.

Thats Brexit for ya, taking away all the fun.
Over here in EU we celebrate each and every 0.1x win, and the slot celebrates with us.

 

[Mr_Slot5]

@Jono777 not sure about Pragmatic as I don't play their games.

But, Yggdrasil has changed the sounds on theirs recently. I think its because wins under stake size are not supposed to be celebrated under UKGC guidelines.

If it is wins under stake size, that will be why.

Yeah noticed that on BOD earlier. The UKGC really are focusing on the important things eh?! Gee whizz.

You couldn't make it up could you...these people are actually getting a salary for this guff.

 

[johnnymcc1966]

Yeah noticed that on BOD earlier. The UKGC really are focusing on the important things eh?! Gee whizz.

You couldn't make it up could you...these people are actually getting a salary for this guff.

I'd be delighted with a few 0.10 wins on the slots I play in the UK.

 

[ADGER]

Kind of comes and goes a bit i guess, depending on which provider is flavor of the month.
I bet Nolimit city will release another slot with a crazy expensive bonus buy soon, and everyone will be swap back to complaining about them.

Lucky there are are many of us, so theres plenty of stick to go around! =)
Just like in Lotr

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I'm from UK but what is it these days nearly every provider apart from play n go are bringing out games with buys ,even push gaming have started now, I just think its not the gambling we want , I'm not against buys but what happens to the good old days spinning to get the bonus ,.

 

[dunover]

I'm from UK but what is it these days nearly every provider apart from play n go are bringing out games with buys ,even push gaming have started now, I just think its not the gambling we want , I'm not against buys but what happens to the good old days spinning to get the bonus ,.

Funnily enough I've just left a longish comment on Casinogrounds' latest video saying the same. The old content was by far the best, the bonus buys are the 'shark jumping' moment for YT slots streamers.