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Dont dodge the question here, that there are casino's doing it in a different way. Perhaps you could do some homework and put any claims to your opinion.
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Dont dodge the question here, that there are casino's doing it in a different way. Perhaps you could do some homework and put any claims to your opinion.
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I think it is you that needs to come up with some proof for your claims before anyone can take them seriously. Where are the emails?
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How am I dodging the question? I am not going to comment on what dodgy casinos do. Im sure there may be some dodgy casinos doing all sorts of dodgy stuff... but not one in a regulated market will.
Your assertion about land-based casinos, which is who I make games for, is utter crap and the comment you highlighted in blue in the image you posted proves absolutely nothing.
Having any conversation with you is pointless as you have no concept of truth or reality or the burden of proof.
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It would have had some class if you took the effort. Ah well. If you guys want to continue losing on avg and still believe things are legitimate, go ahead. Slowly market is being regulated more and more and more up to a point that even landbased is the better selection. At least there you can walk away with money within 5 minutes if your lucky enough!
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you DO know you're meant to lose on average don't you?
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Oh really? I thought it was a never ending winning rainbow with a pot of gold at the end. Damn streamers. They promissed me millions after signup and deposit.
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But he KNOWS how to win, he can trick the system. As the only person in the world, including those of us that actually work in the industry, he can tell when a game is about to pay.
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well, snap, and here's me just clicking and praying
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Well i won a terrible big amount recently (65k) but in my opinion a simple software bug that i could reproduce over and over and over again in front of my family, my gf, everything. Prettty much solid that what i was doing was working. I just got scared shitless that the casino eventually would block the party and start throwing bans and blocks. So i stopped doing that. They did however paid me the full amount, 65.000 euro's.
After that that party was over. No way to reproduce that ever again. I woud'nt recommend anyone gambling 3 days straight, really.
After that that party was over. No way to reproduce that ever again. I woud'nt recommend anyone gambling 3 days straight, really.
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This have been addressed many times before.
You got lucky.
If extra chilli had a bug like that the entire industry would know.
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Lmao. Ok. Whatever dude.
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Bloatgoat has an Extra Chilli emptier?
This could be the Christmas present the forum has all been waiting for... or not
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He keeps bringing it up as some sort of proof that the slot was broken and he the only one able to figure it out. Been a few months now
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Please don't @ casino reps unless it's an issue that needs resolving ASAP - or something that is crucial for them to look at now. What you are doing here is harassing the reps which violates our posting rules. Please don't do it. Thank you.
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He keeps bringing it up as some sort of proof that the slot was broken and he the only one able to figure it out. Been a few months now
I woudnt say broken, bugged? Yes. If some of you question me that is obviously your right; but i kept reproducing it over 3 straight days. This was'nt a one or 2 time occasion, hell no lol.
I took a well deserved holliday after that (West-spain).
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So if I remember correctly the "bug" as you decide to call it was triggered on a certain buy in(200?) After a random number of buy ins(7-9?).
This is simply not how a bugged game would malfunction. If it actually had a malfunction why would the number of buyins required be random? More so how is it even a bug when the likelihood of winning back that X amount of buyins on extra chilli is far from any guarantee.
Furthermore BTG would have to inform partners in any case where a game has been malfunctioning. Something that has not happened in this case. And before you even dare to out on your full body tinfoil suite, they are obliged to by law, and no they care more about their license, business partnerships and future income than 65k of player winnings.
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No,
The buyin was limited at 500 a buy, where the normal variants of the game would allow up to 2000 if i'm correct. When i bought a game and gamble it all the way up to 24 spins in Extra Chilli in this case, it would take on avg 5 to 7 times for it to land / hit or whatever you want to call it. It would set me back 2500 up to 3500 on avg. When it did hit it would always land me with a positive gain on top of the initial buys.
I did'nt believe it myself till i started to exploit this. It kept going and doing the same thing over and over again. One bizarre game ended up in 22k or so. I repeated this for over 3 days straigth with a final balance of 70k. Trust me i've tried other games in between, none of them would hit extra chilli was doing.
So i withdrawled 25k and 2x 20k, as i got worried the casino might boot me out. I left it alone, went away, and came back like weeks later, to figure out, the trick does'nt work anymore. First the max buy in was increased to 2k now, and later it was changed back to 500, on top of that pragmatic games in particular, had their max bet from up to 50 leveraged down to 4 or even 10 euro as max bet if i'm correct.
Little devil has a limit of 6 euro while other casino's show a up to 25 if i'm correct. The casino got pretty much frightend if you ask me, limiting games all over the place. They did however, do their part and that was pay me out. But winning apart from Chilli is way more difficult then ever now.
Dont worry and dont put any effort btw. If this trick was still valid the last thing i would do is post this on a forum. Lmao.
The buyin was limited at 500 a buy, where the normal variants of the game would allow up to 2000 if i'm correct. When i bought a game and gamble it all the way up to 24 spins in Extra Chilli in this case, it would take on avg 5 to 7 times for it to land / hit or whatever you want to call it. It would set me back 2500 up to 3500 on avg. When it did hit it would always land me with a positive gain on top of the initial buys.
I did'nt believe it myself till i started to exploit this. It kept going and doing the same thing over and over again. One bizarre game ended up in 22k or so. I repeated this for over 3 days straigth with a final balance of 70k. Trust me i've tried other games in between, none of them would hit extra chilli was doing.
So i withdrawled 25k and 2x 20k, as i got worried the casino might boot me out. I left it alone, went away, and came back like weeks later, to figure out, the trick does'nt work anymore. First the max buy in was increased to 2k now, and later it was changed back to 500, on top of that pragmatic games in particular, had their max bet from up to 50 leveraged down to 4 or even 10 euro as max bet if i'm correct.
Little devil has a limit of 6 euro while other casino's show a up to 25 if i'm correct. The casino got pretty much frightend if you ask me, limiting games all over the place. They did however, do their part and that was pay me out. But winning apart from Chilli is way more difficult then ever now.
Dont worry and dont put any effort btw. If this trick was still valid the last thing i would do is post this on a forum. Lmao.
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I really have no clue what you think an increase or decrees in max bet is supposedly proving here.
It do not affect the maths of the game. Its not like you have a different reel set based on it. Its only related to how much risk the casino is willing to take on a certain game.
There's nothing in your post that backs up your claim that the game was bugged/broken/you somehow figured out something no one else did.
That said, I'll take your advice and stop putting in an effort in discussing with you. Consider me out until you bring forward the fabled VIP manager emails you constantly mention
It do not affect the maths of the game. Its not like you have a different reel set based on it. Its only related to how much risk the casino is willing to take on a certain game.
There's nothing in your post that backs up your claim that the game was bugged/broken/you somehow figured out something no one else did.
That said, I'll take your advice and stop putting in an effort in discussing with you. Consider me out until you bring forward the fabled VIP manager emails you constantly mention
Talk about moving the goalposts!
Blueprint have sunk to a new level in triggering free spins on Deal or No Deal Megaways.
4-6 cascades trigger different levels of bonus (really difficult to get 4 cascades) which is the deal or no deal pick game.
You pick boxes until you are left with one, you can win up to 30x bet or boxes contain varying amounts of free spins.
The better the level of bonus trigger the higher amount of FS boxes, with a higher number of spins.
I’ve never seen a more gimped bonus round, I had 25 of the standard bonuses (4 red boxes contain FS) and never once triggered any FS.
I triggered the the super bonus (5 cascades) twice in 3000 spins. So all red boxes contained free spins and straight away I lost every red box in the gimped pick feature, each bonus a carbon copy of the other just about.
Another Disgusting slot to avoid by Blueprint to maximise profit by making it virtually impossible to trigger the big paying feature.
Oh and I did get the Progressive jackpot king feature, my first in a year and it paid a whopping 10x.:machinegunner:
Blueprint have sunk to a new level in triggering free spins on Deal or No Deal Megaways.
4-6 cascades trigger different levels of bonus (really difficult to get 4 cascades) which is the deal or no deal pick game.
You pick boxes until you are left with one, you can win up to 30x bet or boxes contain varying amounts of free spins.
The better the level of bonus trigger the higher amount of FS boxes, with a higher number of spins.
I’ve never seen a more gimped bonus round, I had 25 of the standard bonuses (4 red boxes contain FS) and never once triggered any FS.
I triggered the the super bonus (5 cascades) twice in 3000 spins. So all red boxes contained free spins and straight away I lost every red box in the gimped pick feature, each bonus a carbon copy of the other just about.
Another Disgusting slot to avoid by Blueprint to maximise profit by making it virtually impossible to trigger the big paying feature.
Oh and I did get the Progressive jackpot king feature, my first in a year and it paid a whopping 10x.:machinegunner:
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Some games that used to have a gamble feature, hidden in options (you have to turn it on in order for it to work) in games like Book of ra and all that, are completely disabled at some casino's now. It looks like alot of features that once where normal are tightened down. Some games that have a extreme volatility such as pirate gold is now limited to just 4 euro (max) bet.
I think the times of casino's are slowly becoming over. I see RTP in help files showing by in between 95 and 96.x%. It wont take long before these RTP's would slowly level out with that what landbased casino's offer. A mix of 85 up to 92% distributed over the casino floor with no telling of which slot has what.
I think the times of casino's are slowly becoming over. I see RTP in help files showing by in between 95 and 96.x%. It wont take long before these RTP's would slowly level out with that what landbased casino's offer. A mix of 85 up to 92% distributed over the casino floor with no telling of which slot has what.
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It's been like that for as long as I can remember that some casino's offered a gamble function on Novo's and others didn't. No need to enable them in options. Guess it's just a way to limit liability. Same goes for max bets: just check around on DOA 2 and you'll see that there is a mix between 4.50, 9 and 18 max bet out there.
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Well 6 months on from the original post I can say without doubt that my suspicions were not unfounded.
Categorically something has changed! Prior to the original post I lost money overall yes but it always seemed like you had a chance of winning and I only lost in the region of what you would expect, like around 5%.
In the last 6 months I have lost 45% of my total deposits and in half the time. Games have been altered that’s for sure, Bonanza being the most noticeable. If you read the thread (since June) you will notice the complaints made by all the people qualified to judge. By that I mean players that played it virtually everyday and for lengthy periods. Are they really all seeing the same thing at the same time and coming to the wrong conclusion? No they are not it’s an absolute disgrace.
People say they cannot do that without it being authorised. Well I for one don’t believe games are checked by people who know what they are doing anyway.
How is any governing body doing this thoroughly? I mean there are Casinos and providers all over the world. If games are checked how do we know that is the version that is being run daily. There are so many ways around things.
I will never be convinced it’s not a complete racket until there is one organisation thoroughly checking providers, casinos and games and making their findings available to the public.
Categorically something has changed! Prior to the original post I lost money overall yes but it always seemed like you had a chance of winning and I only lost in the region of what you would expect, like around 5%.
In the last 6 months I have lost 45% of my total deposits and in half the time. Games have been altered that’s for sure, Bonanza being the most noticeable. If you read the thread (since June) you will notice the complaints made by all the people qualified to judge. By that I mean players that played it virtually everyday and for lengthy periods. Are they really all seeing the same thing at the same time and coming to the wrong conclusion? No they are not it’s an absolute disgrace.
People say they cannot do that without it being authorised. Well I for one don’t believe games are checked by people who know what they are doing anyway.
How is any governing body doing this thoroughly? I mean there are Casinos and providers all over the world. If games are checked how do we know that is the version that is being run daily. There are so many ways around things.
I will never be convinced it’s not a complete racket until there is one organisation thoroughly checking providers, casinos and games and making their findings available to the public.
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it wouldnt matter a whit
God could come from on high and declare it legit and people would still say 'but yaaaaaaaa, I mean, ok, but is it legit legit?'
God could come from on high and declare it legit and people would still say 'but yaaaaaaaa, I mean, ok, but is it legit legit?'
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Since my casino changed i'm telling you everything has changed in there. Forget the "big" or "huge" wins, or the random bonus kicks you in the teeth kind of games. Your getting financially lynched by just playing in their house.
Liability is minimum as possible these days.
Liability is minimum as possible these days.
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If it’s in black and white signed by “THE MAN” then fair enough but it isn’t. IMO the public are being sold a misconception and nobody does a damn thing about it.
I am now comparing money spent and game time against a B+M Casimo where the rtp is supposed to be lower and online comes a distant second. It was without question the complete opposite 3 years ago which is why I virtually only played online since.
I am now back playing live as online is just a cesspit of underhandedness. Strong words maybe but I know what I seeing and my eyes don’t deceive me. Forget all the psychological bullshit about gamblers only seeing what they want to see etc, etc. Experience tells me that I am not being delivered the product I am paying for.
I will also add that this is not a post from someone who lost a vast amount of money and wants compensation or something. The money isn’t significant so I am not angry or desperate. I just feel that if I am to lose money then it’s on the basis I have been lead to believe. This is clearly no longer the case.
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Hey mate, Here I can speak only for myself. looking back at my game history, this year I have lost roughly more than I lose in 2 years, playing the exact same games at exactly the same bets.
My most favourite games are (used to be):
300 Shields
On this game, I have got nearly 50 at least 1000x wins received between 2017-18 by playing 700 spins at most per a session. The biggest win was 3900x and the rest of them between 1000x - 2000x.
This year I was playing it in my usual manner and got only 3 or 4 wins. Sometimes even seems like there is no 3 scatters at all in this game and to get a retrigger in the bonus game is impossible.
And if, IF I get to the top stage - it pays a 100x-300x bet, which is very unusual at this game from my personal experience.
I think that big wins and their frequency are clearly reduced.
Montezuma
Again, between 2017-2018 used to be an amazing game to play and leave a casino with a profit in the pocket. Nowadays, it has become complete trash where you can almost instantly determine - play it or leave it.
The frequency of 100x wins on this game is pretty much comparable to 500x in the earlier days.
I also think that there were changes made since the moment these game providers started to work under the SG (Scientific Gaming) brand.
Girls Wih Guns, The Finer Reels of Life, Playboy
I not gonna comment much - here anyone must be a blind horse to not notice a difference at these games behaviour comparing 2017,18 and 2019.
My most favourite games are (used to be):
300 Shields
On this game, I have got nearly 50 at least 1000x wins received between 2017-18 by playing 700 spins at most per a session. The biggest win was 3900x and the rest of them between 1000x - 2000x.
This year I was playing it in my usual manner and got only 3 or 4 wins. Sometimes even seems like there is no 3 scatters at all in this game and to get a retrigger in the bonus game is impossible.
And if, IF I get to the top stage - it pays a 100x-300x bet, which is very unusual at this game from my personal experience.
I think that big wins and their frequency are clearly reduced.
Montezuma
Again, between 2017-2018 used to be an amazing game to play and leave a casino with a profit in the pocket. Nowadays, it has become complete trash where you can almost instantly determine - play it or leave it.
The frequency of 100x wins on this game is pretty much comparable to 500x in the earlier days.
I also think that there were changes made since the moment these game providers started to work under the SG (Scientific Gaming) brand.
Girls Wih Guns, The Finer Reels of Life, Playboy
I not gonna comment much - here anyone must be a blind horse to not notice a difference at these games behaviour comparing 2017,18 and 2019.
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I said it before, and i will repeat myself here again and no matter what trancemonkey or another finds about it, there's a good chance that casino's are changing their revenue model, basicly your deposits with other players are randomly distributed with a 95 ~ 97% RTP.
So if you have 10 players on montly basis depositting 1000 all together, 95 to 97% is being re-distributed. Simple as that. Less liability, more profit.
You know i find it funny, when i deposit something like 100 euro. And i hit 100 spins x 1 euro autoplay on one game, at around 80 euro i play another game while the same one is still running, when i start losing on chilli the other game just simply compensates with big hits out of nowhere.
It's like my deposit is automaticly wagering x amount to the point that i lose. This behaviour is random in a complete different way. You dont tell me games are genuine random, if no matter what my bet or strategy is, all slots just lose on default. You'd say that out of 3 slots one has to hit, well they dont.
And it's obviously random ofcourse that at slow times of the day where no dog is playing except for me, nothing works, but when the casino is busy (i.e 19:00 until 01:00) hits flying all over the place. Big random my white naked ass
So if you have 10 players on montly basis depositting 1000 all together, 95 to 97% is being re-distributed. Simple as that. Less liability, more profit.
You know i find it funny, when i deposit something like 100 euro. And i hit 100 spins x 1 euro autoplay on one game, at around 80 euro i play another game while the same one is still running, when i start losing on chilli the other game just simply compensates with big hits out of nowhere.
It's like my deposit is automaticly wagering x amount to the point that i lose. This behaviour is random in a complete different way. You dont tell me games are genuine random, if no matter what my bet or strategy is, all slots just lose on default. You'd say that out of 3 slots one has to hit, well they dont.
And it's obviously random ofcourse that at slow times of the day where no dog is playing except for me, nothing works, but when the casino is busy (i.e 19:00 until 01:00) hits flying all over the place. Big random my white naked ass
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I hope there is enough aliminium in the world for all the hats needed. 
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Aluminium will be the new kobalt in 2020.
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havent you quit, like, every other week, and each time it's your last time?
convinced it's rigged, yet still playing
convinced it's rigged, yet still playing
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I never said it was rigged, gambling is'nt what it claimed to be anymore, that slots are genuine random, or slots could hit any time etc.
That control is more shoved to the casino's now it seems, all well calculated with lesser liability.
That control is more shoved to the casino's now it seems, all well calculated with lesser liability.
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Fortunately it’s the most abundant metal in earth’s crust so no problems there.I hope there is enough aliminium in the world for all the hats needed.
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Yes Montezuma used to be a “must play every session slot”. I won so often playing it. Even on a bad day you would still hit some bonuses and when it was hot it could bonus 5 or 6 times in 50 spins.
I regularly had wins up to x 600 but now I can go 100s of spins and never see 1 bonus and extremely rare to hit above x200. It also now has the immediate balance update so you know the outcome before the reels land. I never understand why providers do that.
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I hope there is enough aliminium in the world for all the hats needed.
I thought it's better to have a personal belief and opinion than belive anything that written on the wall...
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And did you notice that circle around the multipliers in the bonus game when 2 scatters land? Before it used to show up only after 2 scatters come in, but now that circle shows up first and then 2 scatters land after.
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Dont think providers are the one to blame for any of this, remember casino's do have a choice wether to select high or lower volatility or even RTP. They can select certain features like a gamble thing or a max bet to be limited.
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Yes I noticed that. Why do they change things?And did you notice that circle around the multipliers in the bonus game when 2 scatters land? Before it used to show up only after 2 scatters come in, but now that circle shows up first and then 2 scatters land after.
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I don't subscribe to the "casinos are controlling the RTP" stuff, but as posted above the formerly great WMS slots like Rhino/Kronos/Montezuma etc are like totally different games these days - pays have been radically changed, no shadow of a doubt.
Stated RTP hasn't changed, bonus frequency has gone down the toilet, bonuses are worse paying, and the base games are brutal. Quite a feat to do all that and not reduce RTP. I have no idea where it's gone.
It's just clever, nay ingenious maths behind the changes. So if games used to bonus once every 200 spins or so, they've altered that to 1/ 10,000 whilst keeping the RTP the same!
Base game RTP is also slightly different. Sure, it may run at 22% in real-time play, but deep within that clever maths (and dodgy stealth updates) lies the 96% Montezuma, Rhino, or Kronos, just dying to get out!!
Only slight problem is the spins needed to hit the 96% projected figure. We're told it's billions of spins. So ermm, brace yourself for
"A long wait"
Base game RTP is also slightly different. Sure, it may run at 22% in real-time play, but deep within that clever maths (and dodgy stealth updates) lies the 96% Montezuma, Rhino, or Kronos, just dying to get out!!
Only slight problem is the spins needed to hit the 96% projected figure. We're told it's billions of spins. So ermm, brace yourself for
"A long wait"
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Correct.Take a lot of energy to extract it though
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Has it ever occurred to the tin foil hatters that CM posters are a miniscule fraction of online players and maybe fall into the non winner categories on the slots? When Casumo post the monthly big wins I know that it is very rare for any of these wins to go into the screenshot threads here on CM.
If those big wins are from one casino each month, how many other casinos are lashing out big wins as well? As we know on any online slot there will be hundreds of losers for each winner, thats the nature of the game.
If those big wins are from one casino each month, how many other casinos are lashing out big wins as well? As we know on any online slot there will be hundreds of losers for each winner, thats the nature of the game.
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We are still supposed to be playing slots with a rough rtp of 95% though and they are not all HV. It certainly seems a million miles away from what is stated most of the time.
I think it’s great that @Casumo post the biggest monthly winners. It really looks impressive, sadly I am one of the people who would like to see the top 100 biggest losses per individual in one evening. I bet that would make a few jaws hit the floor.
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don’t get me started on Montezuma
it’s a completely different game shockingly bad these days my biggest win on this prior to extra chilli I don’t go near it any more never lands the scatters for the bonus
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These guys from a software development team are not stupid at all - they know exactly what they are doing!. Similar to any other business, their main goal is to make money as much as possible, but in their case by creating games. Regarding those game approval tests, I very doubt if anyone there much worries about it because they know very well - what will get tested and how. At the end of the day, software providers pay their own money to get their games tested and I don't think they would happily pay for a test knowing that it might or will fail.
I reckon this reduced volatility/big win frequency is a new trick that is going on now.
Huh...probably in the new year will have to look for some other (better) entertainment.
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I very like Casumo and I like that they post their top monthly wins, but remember that Casumo on average has 1.2 million total and 600K unique visitors every month. These 10, 20 winners are like a drop in the ocean.
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I thought it's better to have a personal belief and opinion than belive anything that written on the wall...
I have been involved in the industry for 12 years and these tinfoil threads never stop to pop up. No offense but some poster here HAVE A TINFOIL HAT...and nothing I or others will say will convince them otherwise.
Can also say, since I’m a little bit older than most, that all conspieracy theories has gone ballistic since the birth of internet. Now there are so many tinfoils you can meat online that keep the ideas alive. It is to some extent actially frightening...
When I grew up it was wostly about if Elvis was really dead or not
So is he?I have been involved in the industry for 12 years and these tinfoil threads never stop to pop up. No offense but some poster here HAVE A TINFOIL HAT...and nothing I or others will say will convince them otherwise.
Can also say, since I’m a little bit older than most, that all conspieracy theories has gone ballistic since the birth of internet. Now there are so many tinfoils you can meat online that keep the ideas alive. It is to some extent actially frightening...
When I grew up it was wostly about if Elvis was really dead or not
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