Providers moving the goal posts

[GameRoom]

is it Legal to advertise opium on a game ? @Big Time Gaming

 

[Kroffe]

Its just flowers tho.
Or would you say that my post is advertising alcohol? =)

 

[Mr_Slot5]

Have we really reached a level of snowflake that people are now offended by a flower?

Quick! Somebody tell Netent to take the gun symbols out of DOA

 

[dunover]

I think the guy in a way has a point. Goodluck @@@ with quitting gambling. It's taken its toll on you and you are up to a new chapter in your life. Good luck dude, if your reading this.

Wake up, you, you and you. Trancemonkey, get a real job dude. If this was your profession doing this out of a hobby you woudnt be here spending a tremendous amount of hours a day reading, posting and argumenting all that that you are trying to protect. Let a casino come out please. Convince me. Convince others. Or send me a PM or so. Perhaps we can work it out.

Right - your folk hero @@@ was booted for insulting and flaming both the owner and other members. It's says a lot about you that you believe that is worthy of admiration.

If you want to follow his example, carry on this false and assumptive flaming of other members.

I suggest that instead of throwing barbs around, you find some facts regarding rigged games you've played and how the casinos are somehow manipulating outcomes and play to the detriment of players and to suck people in.

Back up your accusations rather than this stream of continuous, pointless and inflammatory invective, or expecting some industry insider to 'come out' and confirm your nonsensical and false statements - you'll have a long wait. In the meantime, while you are waiting, observe the forum rules and show a little more respect for those other posters who may not see things your way.

Thank-you.

 

[Bloatgoat]

I have'nt offended anyone here did i? I did not agree on some points, but he was obviously done with gambling and feels toxic about it. I understand the poster. Nothing wrong with it.

 

[GameRoom]

Its just flowers tho.
Or would you say that my post is advertising alcohol? =)

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alcohol is legal,opium not legal

 

[Kroffe]

Probably legal somewhere.
But flowers are legal everywhere (i think)
=)

 

[GameRoom]

Probably legal somewhere.
But flowers are legal everywhere (i think)
=)

yee maybe I go and get my GF some opium flower on a flower shop lol

 

[dionysus]

yee maybe I go and get my GF some opium flower on a flower shop lol

theyre quite pretty actually

 

[Mr_Slot5]

yee maybe I go and get my GF some opium flower on a flower shop lol

As far as I'm aware there is no such thing as an 'opium flower'. They're called poppies and as far as I'm aware they aren't illegal.

Now, if BTG had plastered an image of someone injecting heroin in the background of their slots, I might be able to see the issue...but they haven't.

The TED slot shows a bear getting high on marijuana which is illegal in many countries...shock horror, 18+ slots cover adult themes

 

[Kroffe]

yee maybe I go and get my GF some opium flower on a flower shop lol

Buy her some hops instead. =)
But remember to only give her fresh hops, because you are gonna want to use them to make beer when they dry out a bit.

 

[Kroffe]

theyre quite pretty actually

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I mean, its somewhat pretty, but it also kind of looks like it not a stranger to eating a bird or two.

 

[dionysus]

I mean, its somewhat pretty, but it also kind of looks like it not a stranger to eating a bird or two.

lol, maybe less a close-up

 

[dionysus]

though, the one on the right wouldnt look out of place on the set of Lost in Space, either

 

[GameRoom]

Buy her some hops instead. =)
But remember to only give her fresh hops, because you are gonna want to use them to make beer when they dry out a bit.

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I think BTG was giving us a message on Lil Devil game we need to be under opium to play the game

 

[Kroffe]

I think BTG was giving us a message on Lil Devil game we need to be under opium to play the game

I think most games would be more fun under the influence of opium.
I dont recommend it tho.
=)

 

[GameRoom]

Maybe CEO of @Big Time Gaming (Nick) will replay

 

[GameRoom]

for sure will be more fun coz you will not know how much you lost

 

[GameRoom]

As far as I'm aware there is no such thing as an 'opium flower'. They're called poppies and as far as I'm aware they aren't illegal.

Now, if BTG had plastered an image of someone injecting heroin in the background of their slots, I might be able to see the issue...but they haven't.

The TED slot shows a bear getting high on marijuana which is illegal in many countries...shock horror, 18+ slots cover adult themes

so 18+ is ok to advertise drugs is that what you saying google it you find out...P.s. beer are legal on 18+

 

[CompleteFailure]

I wonder which version of Book of Dead this casino is running. Hilarious that Playngo excises the RTP from the help file in response to dodgy casino requests.

FAKE RTP

REAL RTP - most likely 89%

 

[Bloatgoat]

Casino's can hide the RTP yes. But for a casino to hide the RTP it means that they are 9 out of 10 times doing that for having a lower overal RTP.

 

[GameRoom]

Casino's can hide the RTP yes. But for a casino to hide the RTP it means that they are 9 out of 10 times doing that for having a lower overal RTP.

they can easily say rtp is 96% and run the game on 50%rtp does anyone check them I don't think so,I see game providers as my enemy since I try to win there money and they try to win my money i don't believe what casinos and game providers say they all lie just to take are money

 

[VismundCygnus]

they can easily say rtp is 96% and run the game on 50%rtp does anyone check them I don't think so,I see game providers as my enemy since I try to win there money and they try to win my money i don't believe what casinos and game providers say they all lie just to take are money

No, they do get checked. Before launch by testing houses and after by people looking at the actual stats of what the game pulls in.

 

[Harry_BKK]

Didn't know where to post this and maybe someone mentioned it already but this thread seemed like the most fitting.

In a small, non-significant note NetEnt announced that it would start offering selected slots with variable RTPs, scalable from default to 90%.

The RTP drain continues!

Christmas is coming.....for casinos and game providers!

 

[mcgameboy]

Didn't know where to post this and maybe someone mentioned it already but this thread seemed like the most fitting.

In a small, non-significant note NetEnt announced that it would start offering selected slots with variable RTPs, scalable from default to 90%.

The RTP drain continues!

Christmas is coming.....for casinos and game providers! View attachment 119763

As long as we can clearly see the RTP, I don't have much of a problem with them doing that.
Because that way, at least we have the choice to vote with our wallets.

It's when RTP reductions are done in a stealthy, sneaky fashion (I'm looking straight at you, VS) that I take issue....

But yes.....it's a somewhat worrying statement of intent by Netent.
And you can be pretty confident that other providers will follow suit.

 

[Harry_BKK]

As long as we can clearly see the RTP, I don't have much of a problem with them doing that.
Because that way, at least we have the choice to vote with our wallets.

It's when RTP reductions are done in a stealthy, sneaky fashion (I'm looking straight at you, VS) that I take issue....

But yes.....it's a somewhat worrying statement of intent by Netent.
And you can be pretty confident that other providers will follow suit.

Sure, if they all display it, we can decide.

NetEnt having such a large share of the market will animate others to follow.

What I see though is that most casino operators will use the opportunity, simply because it is available, not necessarily because they need to. IMO, it will settle at some point around 92 - 93%, roughly 3% extra house edge. Just a hunch, but I've seen this trend happening for some time now.

 

[Jono777]

Geez, trying to win a bit is like pushing shit uphill anyway these days. Now they expect us to push diarrhea up a frozen icy hill.

There will always be the naive and vulnerable players to keep those profits rolling in but I bet in about 3-4 years the experienced and knowledgeable players have dropped right off and found something a lot more sensible to do!

This industry is being slowly but surely quickly destroyed, RTP's, SoW, RG, AML, casinos closing etc etc. don't think I've read of anything really positive all year!

 

[Kroffe]

Eh, i for one, welcome the lower rtp.
I have been thinking lately that its way to easy getting wildlines in Doa.
A 90% rtp version might provide some challenge.

 

[slot_zombie]

Didn't know where to post this and maybe someone mentioned it already but this thread seemed like the most fitting.

In a small, non-significant note NetEnt announced that it would start offering selected slots with variable RTPs, scalable from default to 90%.

The RTP drain continues!

Christmas is coming.....for casinos and game providers! View attachment 119763

This is all out of control.now, what awful news.

Vote with your wallets people...

 

[goatwack]

I'm starting to believe providers are doing this because they can, not out of some financial purse-tightening necessity, same as casinos with their underhand greed.

When it starts crossing that boundary into alienating their actual user base with unwinnable RTP-gimped games, then it not only becomes insulting, but unsustainable for any player. And surely the basis of any casino/ game is to keep the customer coming back, not mug you and sleep with your wife

 

[GameRoom]

I'm starting to believe providers are doing this because they can, not out of some financial purse-tightening necessity, same as casinos with their underhand greed.

When it starts crossing that boundary into alienating their actual user base with unwinnable RTP-gimped games, then it not only becomes insulting, but unsustainable for any player. And surely the basis of any casino/ game is to keep the customer coming back, not mug you and sleep with your wife

no is casinos they doing just check 2 casinos different RTP same game see the video he is talking for RTP

 

[Aryol]

Geez, trying to win a bit is like pushing shit uphill anyway these days. Now they expect us to push diarrhea up a frozen icy hill.

There will always be the naive and vulnerable players to keep those profits rolling in but I bet in about 3-4 years the experienced and knowledgeable players have dropped right off and found something a lot more sensible to do!

This industry is being slowly but surely quickly destroyed, RTP's, SoW, RG, AML, casinos closing etc etc. don't think I've read of anything really positive all year!

I already limited myself with a fixed limit since high variance games were eating my balance really fast on min. bet and the industry getting destroyed by the gambling commissions and their own greed on top.

Verification, SoW and SoF are already things a player hates to do and it is annoying. Instead investing money to enough qualified staff which can work in different departments there are casinos which take multiple weeks. My wish would be that MGA and UKGC would choose a few casinos who do ID Checks, ... and then you are verified on every casino (would be something that needs to be integrated like gamestop for UKGC).

Horrible bonus offers, long withdrawal times, lower RTP, ... but I can now go to a local casino without thinking too much about the RTP.

 

[mack341]

edit: removed my comment as felt it was stepping into areas where I have no right to.

 

[goatwack]

edit

I was just going to answer that!

Now you're making me look like a raving madman!

 

[slot_zombie]

Out of paranoia I check the RTP every time I load a game.. Just found out my regular haunt slipped their Red Tigers down to 92% RTP overnight (non jackpot games). However, they are still running their Play 'n Go at factory settings.. for now.

A sticky community thread listing all sites that run lowered RTPs is sorely needed... Information is power.

 

[GameRoom]

Out of paranoia I check the RTP every time I load a game.. Just found out my regular haunt slipped their Red Tigers down to 92% RTP overnight (non jackpot games). However, they are still running their Play 'n Go at factory settings.. for now.

A sticky community thread listing all sites that run lowered RTPs is sorely needed... Information is power.

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looks like casinos register on Uk and Island of man are good RTP I just avoid playing casinos that are registered in Malta, looks like an easy place to get casino license is on malta, most of the casinos they not even based on malta, they just rent an address to register for a license, another day I got phone call from XXX casino from Bulgari where they based for some offers, also before you register you should ask casino if they sale are data to advertisement companies if you register with that casino if they do you get bombardment with scammer calling you or email about virus on you pc Microsoft security so on

 

[ShadyFei]

. . . Just found out my regular haunt slipped their Red Tigers down to 92% RTP overnight (non jackpot games).

And where have you been haunting regularly?

 

[GameRoom]

Out of paranoia I check the RTP every time I load a game.. Just found out my regular haunt slipped their Red Tigers down to 92% RTP overnight (non jackpot games). However, they are still running their Play 'n Go at factory settings.. for now.

A sticky community thread listing all sites that run lowered RTPs is sorely needed... Information is power.

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that looks worst than videoslots lol

 

[slot_zombie]

And where have you been haunting regularly?

This is Conquestador casino, Lucky Oktoberfest slot. Some of the other titles like Lucky Halloween and Jingle Bells are on the dizzy heights of 93% so fill yer boots lol

 

[sufferinsilence]

Well, is it coincidence that after acquiring Red Tiger NetEnt is going to offer multiple RTP settings? I think not.

 

[goatwack]

Well, is it coincidence that after acquiring Red Tiger NetEnt is going to offer multiple RTP settings? I think not.

Ah see, didn't even know that. But I guess it makes sense, as they seemingly share the same vision.

i.e balance-blitzing, scatter-trolling, non-paying shite

A real 'hand in glove' scenario if ever I saw one

 

[Kroffe]

Well, is it coincidence that after acquiring Red Tiger NetEnt is going to offer multiple RTP settings? I think not.

Would make more sense if it was the other way around, no?
Red tiger was always offering different versions.

 

[sufferinsilence]

Would make more sense if it was the other way around, no?
Red tiger was always offering different versions.

They might've gotten the brightest minds from Red Tiger in the deal who pointed out at their first meeting: "how about we offer these multiple RTP settings on your NetEnt slots too?"

Those people might've gotten a big bonus and promotion.

 

[Matti]

They might've gotten the brightest minds from Red Tiger in the deal who pointed out at their first meeting: "how about we offer these multiple RTP settings on your NetEnt slots too?"

Those people might've gotten a big bonus and promotion.

This has been on its way long before the Red Tiger acquisition. Raising taxes affects game providers as well and the success of Play N'Go and Red Tiger who offers differentiated settings has most likely not gone unnoticed.

 

[slot_zombie]

Well, is it coincidence that after acquiring Red Tiger NetEnt is going to offer multiple RTP settings? I think not.

Probably not. Gamblers are either going to be constantly dodging bullets and checking help screens, or just losing faster into skewed games, in ignorance, from now on. It's like a virus.

 

[Kroffe]

Probably not. Gamblers are either going to be constantly dodging bullets and checking help screens, or just losing faster into skewed games, in ignorance, from now on. It's like a virus.

Should be a good time for a casino to Advertise themselves as a site that offers only the highest rtp-settings.

"When playing with us, you have a bigger chance at winning when compared to (insert other casinos)"

If all too many sites start adapting lower rtp, a site that only offers the highest setting can really stand out.

 

[mack341]

Should be a good time for a casino to Advertise themselves as a site that offers only the highest rtp-settings.

"When playing with us, you have a bigger chance at winning when compared to (insert other casinos)"

If all too many sites start adapting lower rtp, a site that only offers the highest setting can really stand out.

I think we have some body in the uk that looks at monopolies and competition, if all the ukgc online casinos settled for the lower rtp setting despite a higher one being available, it could be said the player/customer is being denied choice on a crucial factor, effectively a form of price rigging.

Also if the uk govt bring in a £2 stake limit online, the casinos may feel forced to change to the lower rtp versions as a way of compensating for any loss in their revenue, or it's a nice excuse ready in the pipeline.

 

[Kroffe]

We really should compile a list of all Casinos using lower rtp-settings, and what providers they are doing it on.
Something like that should be a sticky-thread here on the forum.
So its the first thing anyone visiting sees.

The only way things are ever gonna change is if casinos start losing players when they lower rtp.
And the only way that can happen is if people learn about rtp, and start avoiding sites that dont offer the highest setting.

 

[Downsman]

We really should compile a list of all Casinos using lower rtp-settings, and what providers they are doing it on.
Something like that should be a sticky-thread here on the forum.
So its the first thing anyone visiting sees.

Good idea... I'm all in favour of that.

 

[slot_zombie]

Good idea... I'm all in favour of that.

I would go one step further and suggest that lowered RTP should be a disqualification for being an Accredited casino. Not much less player-friendly than deliberately nerfed games. But that'll never happen I'm sure.