President Trump

[Steviedoo]

Secretary of State, Rex Tillerson ...the only person in the administration to criticize the Russians for the poison attack has been fired early this morning.. he found out about it through the president’s tweet.

The news cycle is never ending..

I think we need to wake up that something is just not right at the White House anymore.

 

[Harry_BKK]

Secretary of State, Rex Tillerson ...the only person in the administration to criticize the Russians for the poison attack has been fired early this morning.. he found out about it through the president’s tweet.

I think we need to wake up that something is just not right at the White House anymore.

Another one bites the dust!

Yeah, was about to say the same thing, Mr. T and all WH - not a word against Russia (usually UK and the US come out in support of the other in such cases), Rex mentions Russia once and not a day later he is gone.

The mumbling of Mr. T when he talked about it on the WH lawn was totally hilarious or rather appalling for an US president. He just can't start and finish a coherent sentence.

Do you realize Mr. T doesn't have the guts to stand in front the people and look into their eyes when he fires them? Hmmm, pretty cowardly.

 

[bowki]

With all the people he fired in the last year i wonder why anyone still takes a job offer in Don's administration?

Yo Mike, you worked your entire life to become the director of the CIA. Do you want to ruin you career in six month by becoming Secretary of State and getting fired whenever I decide to do it?

 

[trancemonkey]

lol, i hear ya, its like me and a rigged slot thread too obstinate for my own good

Who said rigged slot

 

[trancemonkey]

Secretary of State, Rex Tillerson ...the only person in the administration to criticize the Russians for the poison attack has been fired early this morning.. he found out about it through the president’s tweet.

The news cycle is never ending..

I think we need to wake up that something is just not right at the White House anymore.

LockInLove and SlotPlayer won't see anything wrong in this

To be fair though, Rex Tillerson was a bit crap:

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[Harry_BKK]

Secretary of State, Rex Tillerson ...the only person in the administration to criticize the Russians for the poison attack has been fired early this morning.. he found out about it through the president’s tweet.

The news cycle is never ending..

I think we need to wake up that something is just not right at the White House anymore.

The comedy show just never ends!

Just read this: "President Donald Trump's longtime personal aide John McEntee was fired because he is currently under investigation by the Department of Homeland Security for serious financial crimes."

And Mr. T dived in and offered him straight away a job for the reelection campaign.

 

[slotplayer]

It was rumored Tillerson was on his way out weeks ago, you just follow the wrong media.

I'm kinda glad he's gone. I never liked him, don't like Sessions either.

 

[lockinlove]

Your blatant disregard of history and facts when it fits your argument is amazing, just like the one with Iran. Anything happening today on the KP is directly related to the Korean War and the refusal of the US to sign a peace treaty. That is a fact.

What you are suggesting is akin as saying to somebody: "oh you committed a crime 20 years, but never mind, we just forget about that, it's history."

That the US does not want NK to have nukes is a different story. The US can have them, but wants to control the rest of the world and to determine by their own standards who should be allowed. They can only blame themselves for stationing nuclear weapons in SK. What was a small country like NK supposed to do in that situation?

hater = hater - i don't see any difference. I went to 100's of football, handball and ice hockey games and not once did I hear the word "hater".

Um the problem here is I am really the only one who uses facts between you and I. I mean, if I had 30 hands I might be able to count the times you are shown facts and you just say " nope not true, it may show that but this is what it really means" Or you go on to some liberal website and use that.

If you have never heard the term hater at sports games or rival teams, you have simply never been to a sports game. Ever.

The biggest issue you have is that you think that because the USA has nukes every single country should be allowed. So I guess if Isis takes over a country you will be fine with them having nukes then? For some strange reason you think when a country threatens another country with destruction, that country should say oh they arent serious so let them have their nukes. I think we can all say we are glad people like you dont run countries, there might not be much of a world left after about a year.

 

[trancemonkey]

Um the problem here is I am really the only one who uses facts between you and I. I mean, if I had 30 hands I might be able to count the times you are shown facts and you just say " nope not true, it may show that but this is what it really means" Or you go on to some liberal website and use that.

If you have never heard the term hater at sports games or rival teams, you have simply never been to a sports game. Ever.

The biggest issue you have is that you think that because the USA has nukes every single country should be allowed. So I guess if Isis takes over a country you will be fine with them having nukes then? For some strange reason you think when a country threatens another country with destruction, that country should say oh they arent serious so let them have their nukes. I think we can all say we are glad people like you dont run countries, there might not be much of a world left after about a year.

Whilst i don't want any country to really have nukes, the idea that "We can have nukes to attack you, but you can't have them to defend youself" is stupid. And it's not just the USA guilty of that...

 

[lockinlove]

Whilst i don't want any country to really have nukes, the idea that "We can have nukes to attack you, but you can't have them to defend youself" is stupid. And it's not just the USA guilty of that...

Sure but thats a separate topic unless you mean you agree north korea, isis.. should be able to have nukes

 

[lockinlove]

LockInLove and SlotPlayer won't see anything wrong in this

To be fair though, Rex Tillerson was a bit crap:

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Since he has never been part of any political office before, alot of the people he hired was on suggestion and whats on paper. As soon as he was elected into office I knew right away there would be lots of people coming and going until he got to know people in the system and what he is looking for. Im surprised Tillerson lasted this long to be honest.

 

[trancemonkey]

Since he has never been part of any political office before, alot of the people he hired was on suggestion and whats on paper. As soon as he was elected into office I knew right away there would be lots of people coming and going until he got to know people in the system and what he is looking for. Im surprised Tillerson lasted this long to be honest.

You still can't bring yourself to consider the fact that Trump might be the problem can you...

 

[trancemonkey]

Sure but thats a separate topic unless you mean you agree north korea, isis.. should be able to have nukes

Well, of course not - but equally the hypocrisy is also a bit naff.

 

[slotplayer]

Whilst i don't want any country to really have nukes, the idea that "We can have nukes to attack you, but you can't have them to defend youself" is stupid. And it's not just the USA guilty of that...

If u haven't already perhaps read the NPT. It gave me a better understanding.

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[slotplayer]

Um the problem here is I am really the only one who uses facts between you and I. I mean, if I had 30 hands I might be able to count the times you are shown facts and you just say " nope not true, it may show that but this is what it really means" Or you go on to some liberal website and use that.

If you have never heard the term hater at sports games or rival teams, you have simply never been to a sports game. Ever.

The biggest issue you have is that you think that because the USA has nukes every single country should be allowed. So I guess if Isis takes over a country you will be fine with them having nukes then? For some strange reason you think when a country threatens another country with destruction, that country should say oh they arent serious so let them have their nukes. I think we can all say we are glad people like you dont run countries, there might not be much of a world left after about a year.

You're wasting your time.

 

[Steviedoo]

You're wasting your time.

Um the problem here is I am really the only one who uses facts between you and I. I mean, if I had 30 hands I might be able to count the times you are shown facts and you just say " nope not true, it may show that but this is what it really means" Or you go on to some liberal website and use that.

If you have never heard the term hater at sports games or rival teams, you have simply never been to a sports game. Ever.

The biggest issue you have is that you think that because the USA has nukes every single country should be allowed. So I guess if Isis takes over a country you will be fine with them having nukes then? For some strange reason you think when a country threatens another country with destruction, that country should say oh they arent serious so let them have their nukes. I think we can all say we are glad people like you dont run countries, there might not be much of a world left after about a year.

personally i believe none of these countries and leaders want to be the one to start a nuclear war...they threaten the rest of the world to get what they want....

i think people are upset that the usa is in the role of world cop...and frankly no one else is willing to do it and probably don't have the power to be the leader the usa is.......and when it's convenient the rest of world like it....and when it's not...well...then they hate on the usa for policing...

mind you they police the countries with crazy people at the top who really don't care whether a nuclear war will be started and the irony now is that the usa is being led by someone who can be baited into almost anything...but that is another story.

 

[slotplayer]

personally i believe none of these countries and leaders want to be the one to start a nuclear war...they threaten the rest of the world to get what they want....

i think people are upset that the usa is in the role of world cop...and frankly no one else is willing to do it and probably don't have the power to be the leader the usa is.......and when it's convenient the rest of world like it....and when it's not...well...then they hate on the usa for policing...

mind you they police the countries with crazy people at the top who really don't care whether a nuclear war will be started and the irony now is that the usa is being led by someone who can be baited into almost anything...but that is another story.

Excellent post.

 

[lockinlove]

Well, of course not - but equally the hypocrisy is also a bit naff.

What hypocrisy?

I dont think the USA should tell countries such as China etc to get rid of their nukes. But if its rogue regimes or regimes who threaten death by nuclear weapons than yes the US should be doing everything possible so those countries cannot have nukes. All you need to do is see how those leaders treat and run their countries.

Iran should not have nukes because they hold yearly marches chanting death to america and death to jews.

And North korea shouldnt. Watch the defector videos on youtube and read the history of North Korea. They starve their people as punishment, put them in labor camps and publicly execute people who try to escape or go on the internet etc by making the population, including children watch while they shoot the tops of their heads off.

 

[pinnit2014]

Scotland have been trying to get rid of the nukes at Faslane for years. Cannae give them away. On the plus side I think we forgot where we put them

 

[lockinlove]

Scotland have been trying to get rid of the nukes at Faslane for years. Cannae give them away. On the plus side I think we forgot where we put them

lol you are well known as beer lovers. Less beer drinking=find lost nukes?

Its too bad all these countries couldnt at least agree on and figure out to get rid of nukes completely.

 

[dionysus]

lol you are well known as beer lovers. Less beer drinking=find lost nukes?

Its too bad all these countries couldnt at least agree on and figure out to get rid of nukes completely.

Agree; call me a hippy but I'd rather noone has nukes..what's the point of battling out for a planet no longer inhabitable by either side

 

[Harry_BKK]

Um the problem here is I am really the only one who uses facts between you and I. I mean, if I had 30 hands I might be able to count the times you are shown facts and you just say " nope not true, it may show that but this is what it really means" Or you go on to some liberal website and use that.

If you have never heard the term hater at sports games or rival teams, you have simply never been to a sports game. Ever.

The biggest issue you have is that you think that because the USA has nukes every single country should be allowed. So I guess if Isis takes over a country you will be fine with them having nukes then? For some strange reason you think when a country threatens another country with destruction, that country should say oh they arent serious so let them have their nukes. I think we can all say we are glad people like you dont run countries, there might not be much of a world left after about a year.

You really are full of yourself, aren't you? Please go ahead, show me the 150 times you suggest that you showed me facts!

You pretend to know everything, yet are wrong time and again. Examples:

Iran - I even talked to some Iranians --> you conclude you know Iran. Because appr. 1% is marching and chanting some anti-US slogan you label a whole country as bad. You have more white supremacists in the US, in Germany or in France than that 1% of Iran, marching and chanting "death to Jews" etc. Are those countries bad too then? Going by your logic they must be.
South Korea - You pounce on the MDT whereas I point you repeatedly that the US has the military control. You don't even bother to properly inform yourself.

What I clearly told you is that in political statements or in some of those from CEO's of big companies you have to be able to read between the lines to fully understand what they are saying. But then you wouldn't understand that.

Nope, never heard hater at a sports game. I can ask my brother to dig out some of my old season passes for 1. FC Nuremburg and Ice Tigers Nuremburg, which I still keep with some of my stuff in his basement. Again, you are trying to tell everyone here: "I call you far-left haters but it doesn't mean hating"..... go figure how you understand the English language?!

Yet again, show me, where I stated such nonsense where everyone should have nukes? If the US and the other 4 authorized countries would have adhered to the NPT word by word as they signed it, then they would have gotten rid of their nuclear arsenal long time ago. In contrary, people like you are responsible for the stage the world is in right now, examples you posted: attack NK - "I would agree with that", arm school teachers - "I would support that", etc etc etc.

 

[lockinlove]

You really are full of yourself, aren't you? Please go ahead, show me the 150 times you suggest that you showed me facts!

You pretend to know everything, yet are wrong time and again. Examples:

Iran - I even talked to some Iranians --> you conclude you know Iran. Because appr. 1% is marching and chanting some anti-US slogan you label a whole country as bad. You have more white supremacists in the US, in Germany or in France than that 1% of Iran, marching and chanting "death to Jews" etc. Are those countries bad too then? Going by your logic they must be.
South Korea - You pounce on the MDT whereas I point you repeatedly that the US has the military control. You don't even bother to properly inform yourself.

What I clearly told you is that in political statements or in some of those from CEO's of big companies you have to be able to read between the lines to fully understand what they are saying. But then you wouldn't understand that.

Nope, never heard hater at a sports game. I can ask my brother to dig out some of my old season passes for 1. FC Nuremburg and Ice Tigers Nuremburg, which I still keep with some of my stuff in his basement. Again, you are trying to tell everyone here: "I call you far-left haters but it doesn't mean hating"..... go figure how you understand the English language?!

Yet again, show me, where I stated such nonsense where everyone should have nukes? If the US and the other 4 authorized countries would have adhered to the NPT word by word as they signed it, then they would have gotten rid of their nuclear arsenal long time ago. In contrary, people like you are responsible for the stage the world is in right now, examples you posted: attack NK - "I would agree with that", arm school teachers - "I would support that", etc etc etc.

1%? Its government held. They also teach it in schools. Again you were shown proof and now continue to make things up. Sorry but you cannot just keep doing this. Shown articles, videos, facts and then just say nope untrue. You have stated so many times, show me proof of this and that. And then when shown proof coming from their mouths you ALWAYS redirect it and say nope they said it but it doesnt mean that. So how is anyone to show Harry proof and facts when anything you get shown you start telling us how wrong it is and then tell us that what people are really saying in some coded message to fit your agenda.

No CEO said this or that. Found direct quotes from them. No country agrees with Trump. Showed you a couple direct quotes from their leader. All your claims about child tax credit proven wrong and then instead you get all pissy that I wasnt nice to you how I presented it. And then onto the next thing.

Show me this, show me that. Thats all this thread has turned into is showing you what you have said. Same thing when you went on this huge rant telling me "not a single person on this thread said" and all I had to do was go back 2 pages to show you.

I am not full of myself, its just me calling you out on your never ending bs and you clearly dont like it.

And btw, the only one person on this entire thread that pretends, is you.

 

[Harry_BKK]

1%? Its government held. They also teach it in schools. Again you were shown proof and now continue to make things up. Sorry but you cannot just keep doing this. Shown articles, videos, facts and then just say nope untrue. You have stated so many times, show me proof of this and that. And then when shown proof coming from their mouths you ALWAYS redirect it and say nope they said it but it doesnt mean that. So how is anyone to show Harry proof and facts when anything you get shown you start telling us how wrong it is and then tell us that what people are really saying in some coded message to fit your agenda.

No CEO said this or that. Found direct quotes from them. No country agrees with Trump. Showed you a couple direct quotes from their leader. All your claims about child tax credit proven wrong and then instead you get all pissy that I wasnt nice to you how I presented it. And then onto the next thing.

Show me this, show me that. Thats all this thread has turned into is showing you what you have said. Same thing when you went on this huge rant telling me "not a single person on this thread said" and all I had to do was go back 2 pages to show you.

I am not full of myself, its just me calling you out on your never ending bs and you clearly dont like it.

And btw, the only one person on this entire thread that pretends, is you.

Typical how you try to discredit non-Mr. T fans in this thread.

Quote: "No CEO said this or that. Found direct quotes from them."

I said one often has to read between the lines in their statements and that CEO's are often Republican, hence support the Republican agenda. Not my problem if you are not capable of doing that.

Quote: "No country agrees with Trump. Showed you a couple direct quotes from their leader."

You claimed that a large amount of countries at the UN agreed with Mr. T, you said something like "massive support". I posted the truth that there were only two or three.

Quote: "All your claims about child tax credit proven wrong and then instead you get all pissy that I wasnt nice to you how I presented it."

I discussed this with "slotplayer" and agreed that the amount I stated was wrong as it was the monthly amount instead of the yearly amount, plus apologized for the mistake. That is what real debate partners do. But then you won't read those posts and quote then a small part of the discussion to discredit me.

So please, at least post the whole truth and stop cherry-picking from my posts to fit your false argumentation.

Quote: "BS" - you think that is proper debate language? It just shows that you are running out of excuses and arguments.

 

[Steviedoo]

russians being killed off....seems to be a thing...another ex pat dead in London yesterday..

Crickets from the White House...Russian nerve gas attack....the word Russia not even in Sarah Huckabee’s vocabulary.

 

[goatwack]

Wow just look at the fire from Theresa May over this. She's more passionate about this than the last few terror attacks London has endured

 

[trancemonkey]

I see Donald Trump seems to have backtracked on gun control somewhat... the lovely NRA would rather than dead kids than anything else.

Just out of interest - how many children do you think have died by a bullet in the USA since Sandy Hook?

I'll tell you - it's over 7,000.

You know how many have died in the EU at the hands of a bullet since then?

Around 200.

 

[dionysus]

I see Donald Trump seems to have backtracked on gun control somewhat... the lovely NRA would rather than dead kids than anything else.

Just out of interest - how many children do you think have died by a bullet in the USA since Sandy Hook?

I'll tell you - it's over 7,000.

You know how many have died in the EU at the hands of a bullet since then?

Around 200.

oh gods, dont introduce a gun thread - you werent here for the gun debate thread
*hides in corner, tucks knees up and rocks and sobs*

 

[trancemonkey]

oh gods, dont introduce a gun thread - you werent here for the gun debate thread
*hides in corner, tucks knees up and rocks and sobs*

Well, there's only one question to answer: What is more important, the right to bear arms, or the right to life.

 

[dionysus]

Well, there's only one question to answer: What is more important, the right to bear arms, or the right to life.

lol, im not going to engage in a gun debate but many an americnan would argue a gun is what protects life.
Hey - I'm Canadian - I have a loaded dog at home

 

[trancemonkey]

I'm sure all the kids at the school in Florida that got shot felt really protected by the Assault Rifle they were killed with

 

[trancemonkey]

lol, im not going to engage in a gun debate but many an americnan would argue a gun is what protects life.
Hey - I'm Canadian - I have a loaded dog at home

It's all aboot dogs, eh?

 

[dionysus]

lol, it would be a stupid summina b*tch broke into my home with the karelian bear dog
lovely family dog..utter stranger eater

 

[goatwack]

It's all aboot dogs, eh?

 

[dionysus]

you taking 'aboot' us
(when I lived in the US I got pegged every day as Canadian pronouncing house, about etc)
ps - it isnt really aboot, but the heavy 'w' sound ie abowt, ouwt

 

[goatwack]

you taking 'aboot' us
(when I lived in the US I got pegged every day as Canadian pronouncing house, about etc)
ps - it isnt really aboot, but the heavy 'w' sound ie abowt, ouwt

So do Canadians really call each other either:

Buddy

Guy

Friend

....or is it a vicious rumour?

 

[pinnit2014]

'Bout ye' - A phrase used in my native country for meaning, in a polite country speak, - 'And how are you squire?'

 

[dionysus]

So do Canadians really call each other either:

Buddy

Guy

Friend

....or is it a vicious rumour?

i think bro(ther) is equiv to what EU/Aus slings out as mate.

And youd be hard pressed east coast aside, to find anyone says 'eh'

 

[bowki]

Ive only been once in Canada but all the stereotypes are true: I never met so many friendly people before and Tim Hortons really is a great place Really looking forward for my next trip to your beautiful country in the future.


Oh, except that customs lady at the airport, she wasnt friendly at all

 

[dionysus]

Ive only been once in Canada but all the stereotypes are true: I never met so many friendly people before and Tim Hortons really is a great place Really looking forward for my next trip to your beautiful country in the future.


Oh, except that customs lady at the airport, she wasnt friendly at all

dont let the friendly service fool you, we swear the cream is liquid crack cocaine - the whole country are addicts

 

[lockinlove]

I see Donald Trump seems to have backtracked on gun control somewhat... the lovely NRA would rather than dead kids than anything else.

Just out of interest - how many children do you think have died by a bullet in the USA since Sandy Hook?

I'll tell you - it's over 7,000.

You know how many have died in the EU at the hands of a bullet since then?

Around 200.

Why pick sandy hook?

I can cherry pick stats too.

From 2009-2015 the EU and USA had almost identical stats. EU .60 per million people and .62 people in the USA shooting related deaths. During this time period there were 303 deaths from mass public shootings in the EU and 199 in the USA. But on average per population it was very close during the Obama tenure.

In terms of injuries from these shootings, there were 609 in the EU and and 197 for the USA. 2016 was a bad year for EU in terms of mass shootings and now its the USA's turn for increase it seems.


During this time, no important gun laws were introduced from then until now. In 2016 the study found the EU ranked worse than the USA in terms of fatalities and mass shootings.


Souce: Crime research.org crime prevention research center.


And just to be clear about your 7000 claim. 38% of that is from suicides and 9% accidental.

And finally, not saying there isnt a problem or that 7000 kids isnt a lot. There is clearly a problem that needs fixing. But in 2 years if the EU increased and the USA drops again ill be sure to create a thread demanding change too

 

[paul7388]

Why pick sandy hook?

I can cherry pick stats too.

From 2009-2015 the EU and USA had almost identical stats. EU .60 per million people and .62 people in the USA shooting related deaths. During this time period there were 303 deaths from mass public shootings in the EU and 199 in the USA. But on average per population it was very close during the Obama tenure.

In terms of injuries from these shootings, there were 609 in the EU and and 197 for the USA. 2016 was a bad year for EU in terms of mass shootings and now its the USA's turn for increase it seems.


During this time, no important gun laws were introduced from then until now. In 2016 the study found the EU ranked worse than the USA in terms of fatalities and mass shootings.


Souce: Crime research.org crime prevention research center.


And just to be clear about your 7000 claim. 38% of that is from suicides and 9% accidental.


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And finally, not saying there isnt a problem or that 7000 kids isnt a lot. There is clearly a problem that needs fixing. But in 2 years if the EU increased and the USA drops again ill be sure to create a thread demanding change too

Was not getting involved in this thread.

But really that graph means nothing.

Finland for example had a population of about 5 million in 2015. So that graph puts them in 8th place with 1 death a year by mass shooting lol.

 

[lockinlove]

Was not getting involved in this thread.

But really that graph means nothing.

Finland for example had a population of about 5 million in 2015. So that graph puts them in 8th place with 1 death by mass shooting lol.

lol i know that, it was "cherry picking stats"

 

[paul7388]

Even UK where guns are banned have a lot more shootings than Finland. Anyway i need to go lose some money lol

 

[vorcirion]

Why pick sandy hook?

I can cherry pick stats too.

From 2009-2015 the EU and USA had almost identical stats. EU .60 per million people and .62 people in the USA shooting related deaths. During this time period there were 303 deaths from mass public shootings in the EU and 199 in the USA. But on average per population it was very close during the Obama tenure.

In terms of injuries from these shootings, there were 609 in the EU and and 197 for the USA. 2016 was a bad year for EU in terms of mass shootings and now its the USA's turn for increase it seems.


During this time, no important gun laws were introduced from then until now. In 2016 the study found the EU ranked worse than the USA in terms of fatalities and mass shootings.


Souce: Crime research.org crime prevention research center.


And just to be clear about your 7000 claim. 38% of that is from suicides and 9% accidental.


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And finally, not saying there isnt a problem or that 7000 kids isnt a lot. There is clearly a problem that needs fixing. But in 2 years if the EU increased and the USA drops again ill be sure to create a thread demanding change too

Just a guess, but maybe he picked Sandy Hook 'cause that really brought the gun problem in the public attention. Wonder how many years it takes before you do anything about the problem. Was nice to see so many young people protesting though. So there's hope! Just gotta get rid of GOP and Trump 'cause they won't do anything.

 

[lockinlove]

Lets be honest here. The 2nd amendment was written in 1791 at a time when the government was not as trusted or reliable by the people. Hence why a law was put in place to deter the government from turning on their citizens. Since that time I think its safe to say more laws were put in place and the country and government advanced and solidified. And because some of democrats and republicans are supporters of the NRA, they hold political power to not allow any change whatsoever. And because the NRA has so much political support and holds the majority, nothing can be changed in the system. Trump cant do a damn thing if he tried without the support and approval of congress, senators etc. Same thing happened with Obama. So until the NRA loses support and power, nothing will change unless the NRA agrees to it.

Its a flawed and rigged system and its politicians doing what THEY want in their own interest and quite possibly not of the people

Guns for hunting and police should be the obvious. And if you pass strict backround checks and take courses you should be able to own a handgun for protection. People walking around with fully automatics and mags is an absolute disaster.

Just a guess, but maybe he picked Sandy Hook 'cause that really brought the gun problem in the public attention. Wonder how many years it takes before you do anything about the problem. Was nice to see so many young people protesting though. So there's hope! Just gotta get rid of GOP and Trump 'cause they won't do anything.

You cant always blame trump and the GOP. 70% of americans want tougher gun laws, its their job to elect people who are anti gun into office so the majority switches sides. And the President doesnt hold the proper authority. So you saying remove Trump will do absolutely nothing. Obama was against guns and wanted tougher laws and not even he could get anything done.

 

[lockinlove]

Wow just look at the fire from Theresa May over this. She's more passionate about this than the last few terror attacks London has endured

I feel a battle brewing. I would be shocked if there wasnt a military clash between the allies and Russia within the next year. Even Russia's comments today that it will attack the US military if they try anything in Syria again. I think a conflict is going to pop off, tensions will rise to the brink of a war and then everything will cool off again for awhile. But tensions are rising everywhere so it seems its that time in history something is going to happen soon

 

[vorcirion]

Lets be honest here. The 2nd amendment was written in 1791 at a time when the government was not as trusted or reliable by the people. Hence why a law was put in place to deter the government from turning on their citizens. Since that time I think its safe to say more laws were put in place and the country and government advanced and solidified. And because some of democrats and republicans are supporters of the NRA, they hold political power to not allow any change whatsoever. And because the NRA has so much political support and holds the majority, nothing can be changed in the system. Trump cant do a damn thing if he tried without the support and approval of congress, senators etc. Same thing happened with Obama. So until the NRA loses support and power, nothing will change unless the NRA agrees to it.

Its a flawed and rigged system and its politicians doing what THEY want in their own interest and quite possibly not of the people

Guns for hunting and police should be the obvious. And if you pass strict backround checks and take courses you should be able to own a handgun for protection. People walking around with fully automatics and mags is an absolute disaster.



You cant always blame trump and the GOP. 70% of americans want tougher gun laws, its their job to elect people who are anti gun into office so the majority switches sides. And the President doesnt hold the proper authority. So you saying remove Trump will do absolutely nothing. Obama was against guns and wanted tougher laws and not even he could get anything done.

Of course I can blame Trump and GOP. Trump can veto anything he wants and he really loves NRA and their money. Same with GOP.
Yes it's american people's job electing their officials. If they keep republicans and/or Trump in power then there's no chance for change. With democrats there is a chance at least.

 

[lockinlove]

Of course I can blame Trump and GOP. Trump can veto anything he wants and he really loves NRA and their money. Same with GOP.
Yes it's american people's job electing their officials. If they keep republicans and/or Trump in power then there's no chance for change. With democrats there is a chance at least.

A president cannot veto an amendment, he can veto a bill which is a proposed law. Laws are passed by congress and the president can only pocket veto them for a short amount of time but it can be overridden with 2/3rds approval of the congress.

In short, Trump cannot change the 2nd amendment without approx 66% majority approval from congress. Which it has nowhere near.

 

[vorcirion]

A president cannot veto an amendment, he can veto a bill which is a proposed law. Laws are passed by congress and the president can only pocket veto them for a short amount of time but it can be overridden with 2/3rds approval of the congress.

In short, Trump cannot change the 2nd amendment without approx 66% majority approval from congress. Which it has nowhere near.

And that's why you need to get rid of GOP and Trump. Both are against any kind of change in gun laws. Gonna take time before you elect suitable people for that for sure.