President Trump

[slotplayer]

Not usually a fan of censorship but Twitter need to shut Trump's account forthwith. Nothing worse than watching a pair of grown-ass men, or any 'leaders' start hurling playground insults at one another. And Trump does the worst. In fact, he's lost a lot of respect because of his tweets.

So the wrestling one was quite funny, but really now, not something you want to see from the leader of the free world. Leave the faux- outrage and silliness to us serfs

I don't even follow his tweets unless I see one on the news, mostly fox business news and some fox cable news because cnn and msnbc become too hysterical over them, or when someone posts one here.

Pundits say he has to tweet because the MSM is so biased against him.

It's really not the tweeting, Obama tweeted, its more the frequency and the nastiness. He needs to tone them down a notch or two.

 

[slotplayer]

I dont know how much you follow of it but this guy is mindblowing.

There was a case where 4 natives trespassed on a guys property and tried stealing stuff including his vehicle and the guy came out with a gun fired warning shots and the guys ignored him so the guy went to grab him out of the vehicle and the gun went off by accident and killed one of them. The judge and jury found the white guy and farmer not guilty. Justin Trudeau actually called for a news interview and basically called it unfair and an injustice to the native families. Canadians around the country outraged by this started a gofund me page that raised $200,000 for the farmers legal fees and other costs.

An 11 year old girl made up a story of a white man cutting her hijab off her head. Justin trudeau called a news conference and condemned the hate crime against muslims. The girl ended up admitting to police she was lying and her and her brother made it up. Not a single peep from our lovely pm after once again pandering to minorities for votes.

Justin Trudeau was confronted by an injured military personal for having to fight the government in court to get some benefits to help pay for his injuries. Trudeau says "the vets are asking us for too much money" 2 weeks later he invests 750 million in India and India in return invests 250 million. Paid 40 million to terrorists because he decided their human rights were obstructed during their prison time. He has announced millions of dollars to bring Isis here to try and reform them through counselling programs. He then announced millions of dollars in the 2018 budget for equality. but he cant find the money for men and woman who have had their limbs blown off protecting the country and its interests.

This guy is one sick guy and will go down as one of the worst in history. I know A LOT of liberals who despise this guy and will not vote for him next time around. And trust me that says alot. Thats like a democrat voting for Trump in 2020....almost.

he's a progressive, this is why I say progressives are dangerous.

 

[Harry_BKK]

I'm not a gun enthusiast, never even held a gun. I follow constitution though and I know the demographics of the country and when I leave my door it's not a snapshot of the entire country, its a snap shot of the east coast. Without following it and respecting it the country will have anarchy.

The legislative branch (ie.. Congress) writes the laws, the executive branch (ie.. the president) upholds the laws and the judicial branch (Supreme Court and lower Courts) interpret the laws, So until any of that happens its all just hot air.

Good or bad, We have a 1'st amendment, Trump can say whatever he wants as long as its not deemed hate speech. The pc bullshit gets people killed, it's egg shells nowadays for law enforcement, my guess is the reason the 4 deputies didn't enter the Florida school was because of the pc non-sense.

Its actual refreshing in many ways that Trump had put a kabash on it for a while.

The reasons for the potential change in the trade policy is a $800 billion dollar US trade deficit. Countries prop up their industries with subsidies, like China over producing steel to the tune of 49% and flooding the market, thus lowering the price making it impossible for US companies to compete, that' s not a free and fair market.

Canada subsidies its timber industry as well. India puts 100% tariff on US Harley Motorcycle imports. The US tax car imports at 2.5% while the EU slaps on a 10% import tariff.

Whether it's good policy or bad will be debated, but Trump is just watching out for USA like he should be, just like other world leaders watch out for their own countries' interest.

Sorry but I have to ask you as well if you are deliberately closing ears and eyes, opening them only to see what fits your argument.

If you would have researched properly, you would have seen that you can't take one tariff for a single product out of a whole trade deal. The car tariffs might be higher for the US, but that is countered with lower tariffs for the US on other products.

The trade deal between US / EU is a finely balanced contract that took years to negotiate. Do you really think your previous administrations were that stupid to just accept higher tariffs for all US products?

Trump, the elephant in the porcelain store, is just about to throw that balance totally off, and it won't hurt just the EU, probably even more workers in the US. There are some 140K jobs in the steel industry and about 4 Million in the industries using steel in their production. So Trump is saving the little duck, but slaughters the rest of the herd. Nothing else to be expected from him.

 

[trancemonkey]

Sorry but I have to ask you as well if you are deliberately closing ears and eyes, opening them only to see what fits your argument.

If you would have researched properly, you would have seen that you can't take one tariff for a single product out of a whole trade deal. The car tariffs might be higher for the US, but that is countered with lower tariffs for the US on other products.

The trade deal between US / EU is a finely balanced contract that took years to negotiate. Do you really think your previous administrations were that stupid to just accept higher tariffs for all US products?

Trump, the elephant in the porcelain store, is just about to throw that balance totally off, and it won't hurt just the EU, probably even more workers in the US. There are some 140K jobs in the steel industry and about 4 Million in the industries using steel in their production. So Trump is saving the little duck, but slaughters the rest of the herd. Nothing else to be expected from him.

I'm sure inside Trumps head, the wheel is still turning, but the hamster's dead...

Or maybe he's a genius.

One thing is for sure, we're damn well gonna know soon enough (if you haven't already made your mind up)

 

[goatwack]

This has all been a front. Give him another six months and he'll pull something out of the bag so spectacular we'll all be slack-jawed at how he's managed to unite the globe with his brilliance.

*either that or we'll be sharing tips on how to best cope with nuclear fallout

 

[slotplayer]

The EU aren't protections?

 

[slotplayer]

Canada has long maintained a high tariff wall on most dairy products. The duty on milk is 270 per cent. That keeps most imports from the United States and elsewhere out of Canada, while helping to prop up higher domestic prices.

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[Harry_BKK]

The EU aren't protections?

Sorry but what are you trying to say?

 

[ternur]

Didn't Bush try steel tariffs in 2002? How did that work out?

 

[slotplayer]

Didn't Bush try steel tariffs in 2002? How did that work out?

Obama did the same with tires in 2009.

 

[slotplayer]

Sorry but what are you trying to say?

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[Harry_BKK]

Obama did the same with tires in 2009.

Could you once please answer without deflecting to Obama. It is getting boring!!!

Obama imposed tariffs on Chinese tires only. Not worldwide like Bush did and Mr. T is planning.

 

[slotplayer]

Sorry but I have to ask you as well if you are deliberately closing ears and eyes, opening them only to see what fits your argument.

If you would have researched properly, you would have seen that you can't take one tariff for a single product out of a whole trade deal. The car tariffs might be higher for the US, but that is countered with lower tariffs for the US on other products.

The trade deal between US / EU is a finely balanced contract that took years to negotiate. Do you really think your previous administrations were that stupid to just accept higher tariffs for all US products?

Trump, the elephant in the porcelain store, is just about to throw that balance totally off, and it won't hurt just the EU, probably even more workers in the US. There are some 140K jobs in the steel industry and about 4 Million in the industries using steel in their production. So Trump is saving the little duck, but slaughters the rest of the herd. Nothing else to be expected from him.

"finely balanced" and yet there is a $800 billion total trade imbalance, when that happens corrections are in order, in one form or another.

Prices go up/down all the time due to supply issues, fuel costs, labor costs, regulations, technical advancements/improvements etc. Businesses adapt.

I have an Amazon store, this year alone, UPS, US Post and Amazon all raised their fees, it's adapt/adjust or go home.

 

[Harry_BKK]

"finely balanced" and yet there is a $800 billion total trade imbalance, when that happens corrections are in order, in one form or another.

Prices go up/down all the time due to supply issues, fuel costs, labor costs, regulations, technical advancements/improvements etc. Businesses adapt.

I have an Amazon store, this year alone, UPS, US Post and Amazon all raised their fees, it's adapt/adjust or go home.

That has hardly anything to do with tariffs. Has everything to do with the US consumer who likes to buy cheap. And your CEO's outsourcing.

Blaming tariffs which, maybe with the exception of China, are well balanced between the trade partners is pretty pathetic, IMO.

Do you honestly believe that with the tariffs you will have millions, or lets bet more modest 10,000's of job coming back?

Wake up, we live in a globalized world.

 

[slotplayer]

Could you once please answer without deflecting to Obama. It is getting boring!!!

Obama imposed tariffs on Chinese tires only. Not worldwide like Bush did and Mr. T is planning.

Cause you want to use any issue to make it Trump hate, that's what is getting boring. You can't wait to jump on anything, travel ban, daca, tax reform, immigration, Russia.

When I reference Obama, its not deflecting, its pointing out blatant bias over fairness. It's okay if Obama did it, he gets a pass because he shares the same ideology.

Bush did exempt some countries like Canada, Mexico and a few others.

 

[slotplayer]

That has hardly anything to do with tariffs. Has everything to do with the US consumer who likes to buy cheap. And your CEO's outsourcing.

Blaming tariffs which, maybe with the exception of China, are well balanced between the trade partners is pretty pathetic, IMO.

Do you honestly believe that with the tariffs you will have millions, or lets bet more modest 10,000's of job coming back?

Wake up, we live in a globalized world.

of course not, its about nipping it in the bud before it gets any worse than it already is. I posted the Canada milk story as an example.

 

[trancemonkey]

of course not, its about nipping it in the bud before it gets any worse than it already is. I posted the Canada milk story as an example.

How can you be so blind to the problems a trade war would cause? It would not help the US at all... it would almost certainly cause a global recession, as the markets would become extremely nervous, and given how big the US financial institutions are, would absolutely hurt the USA a lot...

 

[slotplayer]

How can you be so blind to the problems a trade war would cause? It would not help the US at all... it would almost certainly cause a global recession, as the markets would become extremely nervous, and given how big the US financial institutions are, would absolutely hurt the USA a lot...

Stop panicking, It's political show. It's not the 1930's.

China's got over 1.3 billion people to worry about.

 

[shewoff]

Hey pep's,This whole tariff episode is based entirely on the North American Trade Agreement and DT's idea that if they don't give him what he want's he will make them pay?Correct? DT is a master at the deal and he will either get what he want's or our former allies and friend's will pay.Period!
I think his praise of the Chinese President's idea of ruling for life should be a concern? Don't you? He would NO doubt love to try and put that one over. He is a bully and a smart even pragmatic business man.And we should keep a smart eye on this concern. He is capable of anything and just may try to see what he can achieve.
He is a freak about positive thing and it has carried him thru some lean times.And we as gambler's know all to well the power of positive think.This whole steel and aluminum tariff is him flexing his positive thing idea's.
Give and get OR PAY! Peace Out! Out Of The Mist! shewoff

 

[Steviedoo]

while trump tweets about steel tariffs....

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....I’m pretty sure he knows what he’s doing....it’s either for his friend Icahn who dumped steel shares and made lots of money or saved himself money or its to cover some other fact...the USA government is removing Tariffs from a lot of products .... which means that USA manufacturing will suffer...most products are from China....while running trade deficit with China....I think to the tune of 385b ...but you figure they would not be doing this....but yes let’s slap steel with tariffs and say that nafta is no good for the USA....and when you check the USA government stats on trade deficits...the USA is running a surplus with Canada....but who cares what he tweets right...even if it’s a lie...the USA trade came out and said they were in a surplus...but what does it matter what he tweets...China is where the largest trade deficit lies...cuz we all like to pay nothing for our clothes and electronics...


_As for high dairy tariffs from Canada...again...facts are important but who wants facts...here are some facts from stats Canada and dairy farmers...

 The fact is Canada runs a significant annual dairy trade deficit, such that we are a significant net importer of dairy products.

The fact is the U.S. enjoys a massive dairy trade surplus with Canada.

 In 2016, almost two‐thirds (2/3) of Canada’s imports were from U.S. ($557M), and the U.S. enjoyed a net trade surplus with Canada of almost half a billion dollars ($445M).

 According to the Canadian Dairy Commission and Government of Canada public statistics, in 2016 Canada imported a total of almost $1B ($971M) in dairy products, and ran a total dairy trade deficit of almost $735M.

 According to the Canadian Dairy Commission and Government of Canada public statistics, in 2016 Canada imported a total of almost $1B ($971M) in dairy products, and ran a total dairy trade deficit of almost $735M.

 Canada’s dairy system is designed to avoid the very crisis that some farmers in the U.S. are facing with the sudden cancellation of dairy contracts. However, Canadian dairy practices are not to be blamed for the conditions U.S. processors and farmers are facing.


He won Wisconsin by a small margin...and it’s paul Ryan’s state...Wisconsin is a dairy state

 

[Harry_BKK]

Cause you want to use any issue to make it Trump hate, that's what is getting boring. You can't wait to jump on anything, travel ban, daca, tax reform, immigration, Russia.

When I reference Obama, its not deflecting, its pointing out blatant bias over fairness. It's okay if Obama did it, he gets a pass because he shares the same ideology.

Bush did exempt some countries like Canada, Mexico and a few others.

I certainly do not hate Mr. T, nor promote Mr. T hate. The posts are facts as they happen.

However, as I stated before, I have no respect for Mr. T since he so blatantly and repeatedly disrespected my chancellor. You, of course, had nothing to say to that, maybe that his behavior was disgraceful or something, especially when he constantly lauds dictator-like presidents/PM's of other countries.

And again, Obama levied the tire tariffs on China only and that already cost the US citizens a ton. Bush had very few exceptions, the two largest steel importers among them. And that cost the US dearly.

Now, please explain, why do you think Mr. T's tariffs will be a good thing? How will it be different from the other cases? Because Mr. T is your "messiah" and we all forget history and economy 101? Maybe somebody should explain to Mr. T what a trade deficit is, because from the stuff he mumbled to the press in the last days I can only assume he has no clue whatsoever.

He just want's to score a win. Just like:

- Healthcare - "that will be so easy, on day one I will repeal the ACA and present a beautiful and much cheaper healthcare plan."
- Infrastructure - "so easy"
- DACA - "I want a bill of love"
- Tax Cut - "I will not profit from it and neither my rich friends, believe me"
- list by far not complete
and now
Trade Wars = " I like trade wars, they are so easy to win."

The real face of Mr. T can be seen in this case. Beginning of the year ICE (as instructed by Mr. T) tried to deport a 30-year old whose 5-year old son is battling cancer. This guy came to the US at 1.5 years, meaning he is just as American as every other real US citizen. And only after some major media coverage did ICE make a U-turn.

Is this the inhumane society you are thriving to become? It shouldn't matter whether this guy is legally or illegally in the US, because taking the father away from a 5-year old kid who is dying is utterly disgraceful. That they did a U-turn is good but does nothing to remedy the inhumane action that they actually tried.

So much for Mr. T and maybe you understand now that I just cannot have any respect whatsoever. What makes matters worse, his parents-in-law live in the US because of "chain migration", something he despises just as much, but was certainly happy to have it applied to his in-laws. In plain English, that is called hypocrisy.

 

[Harry_BKK]

Just to emphasize how clueless Mr. T appears to be.

During yesterday's press conference with the Swedish PM, he praised the trade relationship between the US and Sweden, plus how his administration will do a lot more good and tremendous things. Maybe somebody should have informed him that Sweden is part of the EU and as such the trade between Sweden and the US is guided by the EU directives, exactly those that Mr. T blasted as to being so super unfair in trade with the US. The face of the Swedish PM spoke volumes.

 

[shewoff]

Harry,Harry, Are ya worked up? I do like to see when some of us DT opponent's can state our impression's of the Big Orange Moola and show that we are completely opposed to this kind of twitter baited president.
I will only say that it may last a while longer but we will see exactly what Mr.T is really up to? He can't help himself from telling the world that he is the cure ALL! He is the smartest,the greatest,the best president that there has ever been.All of these thing's he has stated more than once and I'am glad he has himself for a friend.
Because if we look all of his so called associate's. They are bailing out real fast these day's.My only concern with that is if they were the A team WHAT will be the B team???? Good On Ya harry! Peace Out! Out Of The Mist! shewoff

 

[lockinlove]

Stop panicking, It's political show. It's not the 1930's.

China's got over 1.3 billion people to worry about.

How can you be so blind to what ifs!!!

 

[slotplayer]

I certainly do not hate Mr. T, nor promote Mr. T hate. The posts are facts as they happen.

However, as I stated before, I have no respect for Mr. T since he so blatantly and repeatedly disrespected my chancellor. You, of course, had nothing to say to that, maybe that his behavior was disgraceful or something, especially when he constantly lauds dictator-like presidents/PM's of other countries.

And again, Obama levied the tire tariffs on China only and that already cost the US citizens a ton. Bush had very few exceptions, the two largest steel importers among them. And that cost the US dearly.

Now, please explain, why do you think Mr. T's tariffs will be a good thing? How will it be different from the other cases? Because Mr. T is your "messiah" and we all forget history and economy 101? Maybe somebody should explain to Mr. T what a trade deficit is, because from the stuff he mumbled to the press in the last days I can only assume he has no clue whatsoever.

He just want's to score a win. Just like:

- Healthcare - "that will be so easy, on day one I will repeal the ACA and present a beautiful and much cheaper healthcare plan."
- Infrastructure - "so easy"
- DACA - "I want a bill of love"
- Tax Cut - "I will not profit from it and neither my rich friends, believe me"
- list by far not complete
and now
Trade Wars = " I like trade wars, they are so easy to win."

The real face of Mr. T can be seen in this case. Beginning of the year ICE (as instructed by Mr. T) tried to deport a 30-year old whose 5-year old son is battling cancer. This guy came to the US at 1.5 years, meaning he is just as American as every other real US citizen. And only after some major media coverage did ICE make a U-turn.

Is this the inhumane society you are thriving to become? It shouldn't matter whether this guy is legally or illegally in the US, because taking the father away from a 5-year old kid who is dying is utterly disgraceful. That they did a U-turn is good but does nothing to remedy the inhumane action that they actually tried.

So much for Mr. T and maybe you understand now that I just cannot have any respect whatsoever. What makes matters worse, his parents-in-law live in the US because of "chain migration", something he despises just as much, but was certainly happy to have it applied to his in-laws. In plain English, that is called hypocrisy.

I did not hear the story but of course it is sad about the child.

 

[slotplayer]

How can you be so blind to what ifs!!!

What do you think will happen?

 

[slotplayer]

I'm not a gun enthusiast, never even held a gun. I follow constitution though and I know the demographics of the country and when I leave my door it's not a snapshot of the entire country, its a snap shot of the east coast. Without following it and respecting it the country will have anarchy.

The legislative branch (ie.. Congress) writes the laws, the executive branch (ie.. the president) upholds the laws and the judicial branch (Supreme Court and lower Courts) interpret the laws, So until any of that happens its all just hot air.

Good or bad, We have a 1'st amendment, Trump can say whatever he wants as long as its not deemed hate speech. The pc bullshit gets people killed, it's egg shells nowadays for law enforcement, my guess is the reason the 4 deputies didn't enter the Florida school was because of the pc non-sense.

Its actual refreshing in many ways that Trump had put a kabash on it for a while.

The reasons for the potential change in the trade policy is a $800 billion dollar US trade deficit. Countries prop up their industries with subsidies, like China over producing steel to the tune of 49% and flooding the market, thus lowering the price making it impossible for US companies to compete, that' s not a free and fair market.

Canada subsidies its timber industry as well. India puts 100% tariff on US Harley Motorcycle imports. The US tax car imports at 2.5% while the EU slaps on a 10% import tariff.

Whether it's good policy or bad will be debated, but Trump is just watching out for USA like he should be, just like other world leaders watch out for their own countries' interest.

nice video here that explains some issues better than I ever could. The Trudeau one is good to.

 

[slotplayer]

Brainwashed much?

 

[Steviedoo]

"finely balanced" and yet there is a $800 billion total trade imbalance, when that happens corrections are in order, in one form or another.

Prices go up/down all the time due to supply issues, fuel costs, labor costs, regulations, technical advancements/improvements etc. Businesses adapt.

I have an Amazon store, this year alone, UPS, US Post and Amazon all raised their fees, it's adapt/adjust or go home.

Us trade deficit is 566 billion...but what’s 300 billion more or less ...when trying to prove a point...

No one is arguing that the USA shouldn’t protect itself....and reduce its trade deficit....

The trade deficit in 2006 was 766 billion...

China is your biggest offender....375 billion...which accounts for 66% of your deficit.

Electronics and clothes....are we all willing to pay more for these....I’m gonna say no....

 

[Harry_BKK]

Us trade deficit is 566 billion...but what’s 300 billion more or less ...when trying to prove a point...

No one is arguing that the USA shouldn’t protect itself....and reduce its trade deficit....

The trade deficit in 2006 was 766 billion...

China is your biggest offender....375 billion...which accounts for 66% of your deficit.

Electronics and clothes....are we all willing to pay more for these....I’m gonna say no....

The high trade deficit is mainly due to the enormous consumerism in the US and the desire to buy at the cheapest possible price. I am calling all US citizens who support Mr. T's tariffs to return all merchandise and products they recently bought so cheap exactly because of the existing trade deals. Alternatively, they could pay retrospectively the double price for them as that is to what it will lead when Mr. T will start his trade war. Let's see how many would still support the tariffs.

He claims that "Our factories and jobs have been stolen". I really can't see that he knows what a trade deficit is. It is commonly known that automation and other technology factors have led in the last decades to a massive decrease in manufacturing jobs, nothing, nada, zilch can bring them back. This applies to all developed nations. The problem in the US is that nobody from the last administrations cared much to find alternatives for those people who lost their jobs in the process.

On top, the outsourcing "revolution" is down to the US CEO's looking to maximize shareholder value. Maybe ask Ivanka and Mr. T why their merchandise is produced mainly in Asian countries.

In fact, Mr. T and his TCJA will add even more to the deficit. Consumers will have more to spend and will do so. More imports needed.

 

[Harry_BKK]

Brainwashed much?

I can post you tons of videos where Mr. T supporters are asked two questions.

Do you like the ACA? - the absolute majority answers YES
Do you like Obamacare? - the absolute majority answers NO and other expletives

Brainwashed much, eh?

Uninformed people can be found on all sides.

 

[Steviedoo]

nice video here that explains some issues better than I ever could. The Trudeau one is good to.

What issues would that be?

Your disdain for president Obama?
Maybe I should call you unamerican for posting such a video.
Or maybe I should say you have no respect for the president cuz all you’ve done on this board besides defending your POV is put down president Obama and his progressive agenda(your words).


Cuz what does it really explain?

The process of how the US government works while taking shots at an ex president.

Classy.

How many EOs has president trump signed already?

 

[slotplayer]

What issues would that be?

Your disdain for president Obama?
Maybe I should call you unamerican for posting such a video.
Or maybe I should say you have no respect for the president cuz all you’ve done on this board besides defending your POV is put down president Obama and his progressive agenda(your words).


Cuz what does it really explain?

The process of how the US government works while taking shots at an ex president.

Classy.

How many EOs has president trump signed already?

Why are u reading intent into something that is not there, its informational.

I posted the Obama videos because he mentions the 3 branches of government, just like I did in my post, (Not everyone reading the posts knows how the US Government works or takes my word for it) explains his Daca positions, which is back in the news cycle and how important following the constitution is.

Hearing an issue from the source carries much more weight than from a media outlet. Why take some pundits word for it or my word when you can hear it first hand?

It's not personal for me. I don't have disdain for Obama, I just didn't agree with his political agenda. Never said I didn't like him.

 

[slotplayer]

Us trade deficit is 566 billion...but what’s 300 billion more or less ...when trying to prove a point...

No one is arguing that the USA shouldn’t protect itself....and reduce its trade deficit....

The trade deficit in 2006 was 766 billion...

China is your biggest offender....375 billion...which accounts for 66% of your deficit.

Electronics and clothes....are we all willing to pay more for these....I’m gonna say no....

its $566 with China, $800 billion global, at least these are numbers thrown around on the business channels.

No one likes higher prices, my point is prices go up for a variety of reasons, I see tariffs as just just another one in a long list.

 

[Steviedoo]

Why are u reading intent into something that is not there, its informational.

I posted the Obama videos because he mentions the 3 branches of government, just like I did in my post, (Not everyone reading the posts knows how the US Government works or takes my word for it) explains his Daca positions, which is back in the news cycle and how important following the constitution is.

Hearing an issue from the source carries much more weight than from a media outlet. Why take some pundits word for it or my word when you can hear it first hand?

It's not personal for me. I don't have disdain for Obama, I just didn't agree with his political agenda. Never said I didn't like him.

With all due respect....that video, yes explains the branches of government and how it works but it is also a clear stab at obama...You chose one that is slanted to show him in a bad light...

I have no intent other than to be fair....I am fair with everyone on this board....and respect everyone’s opinion...

not so subtle....and that video is not impartial or a learning tool....Just a shot at obama...

 

[Harry_BKK]

I did not hear the story but of course it is sad about the child.

Totally sad for the child, no doubt.

However, I am still waiting for your answers to the questions in my post?

Mr. T indeed signed off on the tariffs on the premise of national security, invoking a paragraph in the WTO rules. I am sure you can see that that is a bogus reason since the question comes up what kind of national security risk countries like Canada or the UK or Germany are to the US? Expect to see a WTO ruling on this one.

But yeah, he wants now that those countries built factories in the US, gotta love the hypocrisy. So importing the steel is a national security risk, while produced by the same companies in the US is not! I want to see Wilbur explaining that to the WTO.

 

[slotplayer]

With all due respect....that video, yes explains the branches of government and how it works but it is also a clear stab at obama...You chose one that is slanted to show him in a bad light...

I have no intent other than to be fair....I am fair with everyone on this board....and respect everyone’s opinion...

not so subtle....and that video is not impartial or a learning tool....Just a shot at obama...

Everyone is free to interpret it the way they want. What shot is it exactly?
I liked the video and did not it see showing Obama in a bad light. Its just a montage of his own words, not unlike a post of a bunch of Trump tweets.

 

[slotplayer]

Totally sad for the child, no doubt.

However, I am still waiting for your answers to the questions in my post?

Mr. T indeed signed off on the tariffs on the premise of national security, invoking a paragraph in the WTO rules. I am sure you can see that that is a bogus reason since the question comes up what kind of national security risk countries like Canada or the UK or Germany are to the US? Expect to see a WTO ruling on this one.

But yeah, he wants now that those countries built factories in the US, gotta love the hypocrisy. So importing the steel is a national security risk, while produced by the same companies in the US is not! I want to see Wilbur explaining that to the WTO.

That's correct, I didn't answer your questions because you want to make it personal. I just look at policy and either agree or disagree with it.

I'm familiar with the rule. The WTO should decide, like they did with Bush and Obama.

 

[lockinlove]

Well its okay. 'supporters' get called cheerleaders but then when Trump does positive things, they are no where to be seen from the far left haters in this thread...they would rather make up assumption about tariffs and almost copy and paste CNN articles.

I even saw democrats on CNN patting Trump on the back in regards to the developing North Korea story.

And just saw this too

 

[vorcirion]

Well its okay. 'supporters' get called cheerleaders but then when Trump does positive things, they are no where to be seen from the far left haters in this thread...they would rather make up assumption about tariffs and almost copy and paste CNN articles.

I even saw democrats on CNN patting Trump on the back in regards to the developing North Korea story.

And just saw this too

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Far left haters? Don't be so stupid please.
It's not my or anyone else's fault if Trump says and does stupid things all the time.
North Korea development is a good thing though, that Trump maybe able to even solve. But still he's shitty president.

 

[lockinlove]

Far left haters? Don't be so stupid please.
It's not my or anyone else's fault if Trump says and does stupid things all the time.
North Korea development is a good thing though, that Trump maybe able to even solve. But still he's shitty president.

You seem to have a habit of getting salty, would you like to talk about it?

 

[Mouche12]

That's correct, I didn't answer your questions because you want to make it personal. I just look at policy and either agree or disagree with it.

I'm familiar with the rule. The WTO should decide, like they did with Bush and Obama.

Just tuning in to say that your above reply shows some pretty evasive behaviour. There's no substance in it, unlike Harry's posts which are well written and substantiated. Don't hide behind a convenient "you want to make it personal" excuse, rather come up with an in-depth reply. This will also keep the dialogue open.

 

[lockinlove]

Just tuning in to say that your above reply shows some pretty evasive behaviour. There's no substance in it, unlike Harry's posts which are well written and substantiated. Don't hide behind a convenient "you want to make it personal" excuse, rather come up with an in-depth reply. This will also keep the dialogue open.

Couldnt disagree more. If there is anyone in this entire thread who provides actual facts, articles, videos, stats etc its absolutely slotplayer. And most of Harry posts are actually not substantiated because he never uses neutral information, it is always from liberal sites. And when he is shown actual word for word facts he then dismisses them and says "well thats not what it means, they say that but its a round about way to mean something else"

 

[Mouche12]

Still evading the essence of my comment: will you answer some of Harry's questions, or not? I guess it's the latter...

 

[slotplayer]

Just tuning in to say that your above reply shows some pretty evasive behaviour. There's no substance in it, unlike Harry's posts which are well written and substantiated. Don't hide behind a convenient "you want to make it personal" excuse, rather come up with an in-depth reply. This will also keep the dialogue open.

He was baiting me to appear insensitive to peoples' hardships. Are you with this post? I could have went a tit for tat on sad immigration stories but chose a different route.

However, they did deport my grandfather's brother back to Italy years ago and banned him from the country. He didn't sneak back in.

 

[Harry_BKK]

Couldnt disagree more. If there is anyone in this entire thread who provides actual facts, articles, videos, stats etc its absolutely slotplayer. And most of Harry posts are actually not substantiated because he never uses neutral information, it is always from liberal sites. And when he is shown actual word for word facts he then dismisses them and says "well thats not what it means, they say that but its a round about way to mean something else"

Hahaha, trying to discredit inconvenient opponents, I did not expect anything else from you.

 

[Harry_BKK]

He was baiting me to appear insensitive to peoples' hardships. Are you with this post? I could have went a tit for tat on sad immigration stories but chose a different route.

However, they did deport my grandfather's brother back to Italy years ago and banned him from the country. He didn't sneak back in.

I was not baiting you at all. You could have answered that ICE should have a more sensitive approach and make a human decision on such cases.

And there were other questions at the beginning of my post where I asked for your opinion. I was actually waiting for your argument as to why tariffs are in your opinion a good thing?

 

[Harry_BKK]

Well its okay. 'supporters' get called cheerleaders but then when Trump does positive things, they are no where to be seen from the far left haters in this thread...they would rather make up assumption about tariffs and almost copy and paste CNN articles.

I even saw democrats on CNN patting Trump on the back in regards to the developing North Korea story.

And just saw this too

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Amazing how you classify any critical voice in this thread as "far left haters" without actually knowing them.

Regarding NK, there is a saying in German: "Man soll den Tag nicht vor dem Abend loben" - in English: "In the evening one may praise the day." or "Do not count your chickens before they are hatched."

Certainly a good start, but plenty of previous presidents were in the same situation. NK playing nice to get something. We will know more in a few months.

At the very least, they can now compare their nuclear buttons and find out whose thing is bigger!

 

[slotplayer]

I was not baiting you at all. You could have answered that ICE should have a more sensitive approach and make a human decision on such cases.

And there were other questions at the beginning of my post where I asked for your opinion. I was actually waiting for your argument as to why tariffs are in your opinion a good thing?

I'm not sure where that occurred but as I understand it, the sanctuary cities refuse to hold criminals and notify ICE so ICE can pick them up at the holding cell, as a result this forces ICE agents into the neighborhoods and they end up picking up less offenders. I'm sure there are many they let go that we don't heart about. I don't think they're heartless but could be wrong.

I don't remember if I said tariffs were a good thing, of course not, I'm a consumer to you know, nor is a trade war, just pointed out that prices go up for many reasons and it's not end of days. Remember when crude was $140 a barrel, crude effects everything. Countries survived.

As I understand it, the reason for the tariffs was China's "dumping" of excess steel, however China back doors the excess, target that country with a tariff and China moves the excess exports to another country and so on.

While I don't like what China does, as I mentioned in another post they have 1.3 billion people to worry about. My guess is the leaders are very worried about the people revolting if economic conditions become dire and do everything in their power to prevent that from happening, like dumping and manipulating their currency. Again, perhaps I'm totally wrong.

As far as Trump goes, let me see if I can word this with being big headed, do you not think that a person like me that tries to be as accurate as humanly possible can not immediately see when Trump says inaccuracies. He's been doing it since the campaign. I'm immune to it/him at this point.

 

[lockinlove]

Amazing how you classify any critical voice in this thread as "far left haters" without actually knowing them.

Regarding NK, there is a saying in German: "Man soll den Tag nicht vor dem Abend loben" - in English: "In the evening one may praise the day." or "Do not count your chickens before they are hatched."

Certainly a good start, but plenty of previous presidents were in the same situation. NK playing nice to get something. We will know more in a few months.

At the very least, they can now compare their nuclear buttons and find out whose thing is bigger!

Do you know why I call you far left? Because you have all the tell tale signs of it. Hypocrisy for one. You can call me a cheerleader without knowing me but I cant call you a hater without you getting overly upset with me. Steviee is critical but I dont think she is far left at least she doesnt come across as it. You also post every little negative thing you can find no matter what. . Which is the definition of a hater. Your entitled to do that of course but I should be allowed to call you far left or a hater if you can call me a cheerleader.

The thing with your quote, while it is obviously quite true in many instances, with this one, It does not apply. Because ANY sign of movement is better than no sign. And I am going off of what facts we have right now. To see this type of response from Kim Jong un, is quite interesting especially if it ends up working out. I am in total shock him and Trump may meet face to face.

With that being said, I do realize this could all fall apart or could be some sort of ploy like they have done before. I am not naive enough to think all is said and done because I do find it strange that he goes from threatening to blow up the USA and kill every american to now happy, smiles and wanting to meet with Trump.

He is either very desperate and the pressure has finally got to them or he is playing one giant game.

BUT it cannot be any worse than it was before. Which was NK exlcuded and busy building dangerous weapons. Trump will either get an insane amount of credit or if it turns sour, it will just go back to before.