President Trump

[slotplayer]

I never said it is illegal. He used loophole in tax law not to pay tax.

It is smart, if we are talking about Trump as a businessman, that's not a problem.
But we are talking about Trump as a president here. A president who don't pay tax using loophole in the law, what kind of message it is sending do you think?

One of a job as a president is to encourage people to do their duty not avoiding it using the loophole, but he can't ask people to pay tax when he is the one who doesn't pay any.

What do you think will happen, if people don't pay tax? America first? Trump said? America first can happen when the government has money to do something, when government doesn't have any money how do you think they can do anything to make America first?

Another thing...a person who earn, let's say $50000 a year, who had a really hard life to make an end meet and pay $10000 as a tax so people in USA can have a road to drive around and a police to keep them safe, and Trump has a millions of dollars in his bank account and enjoy all the luxury and don't pay any tax, do you call it right? That's what you want people to have in USA?

We got a rare glimpse into Donald Trump’s tax history Tuesday night, when MSNBC’s Rachel Maddow aired a segment on the president’s 2005 federal returns that showed he reported $150 million in income and paid $38 million in federal taxes.

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[slotplayer]

You don't welcome anyone to your country, so you are not welcome anywhere else either...stay at home and the world will be a much better and more peaceful planet!

Which country takes in the most immigrants?

 

[slotplayer]

But Dan Kaszeta, a chemical weapons specialist and managing director of Strongpoint Security, told CNN that the Russian version of events was "highly implausible."

All the nerve agents used in the Syrian conflict so far have been binary nerve agents, he said, which are mixed from different components within a few days of use. This is done because of the difficulties of handling agents such as Sarin, which has a very short shelf life, he said.
"Nerve agents are the result of a very expensive, exotic, industrial chemical process -- these are not something you just whip up," he said.

The idea that the Syrian opposition would be able to build the covert supply chain to make a nerve agent and then would move it around and store it in a warehouse, rather than a bunker, makes no sense, Kaszeta said.

"It's much more plausible that Assad, who's used nerve agents in the past, is using them again," he said.

OPCW investigators have accused ISIS of using sulfur mustard, a blister agent, in Iraq and Syria. But Kaszeta said there was no comparison, since sulfur mustard -- widely used in Saddam Hussein's Iraq -- is much easier to come by, is far less lethal and has a long shelf life.


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[ternur]

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Syrian conflict is very complex. Many will agree, that Assad and his government should be removed. But then what? Did removing Gaddafi or Hussein resolve issues in those countries? I'm not suggesting that any of these dictators are/were god's gifts to humankind, but one can ask why the western world keeps thinking that military action is the way to resolve anything, especially in the Middle East?

The legality (or the lack) of the missile strike can be argued from both sides. Knowing the real motivations behind the strike would be more interesting.

 

[syntynyt]

already a broken promise, to not directly intervene with military action in this conflict. i tend to stick with Russia because of recent history and geographical position where we are USA lapdog, so i'm biased giving opinion on this, BUT how rapidly all the european leaders rushed to rebrand Assad a war criminal with Netanyahu the louder voice. are we fucking stupid or we forgotten, and forgiven, that this evil monster killed loads of Palestinian civilians, and because the children is always a hot topic used in propaganda for public acceptance of millitary intervention, yes, he ordered schools and hospitals to be hit. he is a proven war criminal of the worst, that is still in position. Netanyahu was officially condemned at the International War Tribunal for crimes against humanity!! how is this USA ALLY not in adx florence yet awaiting the death sentence? when will this fraudulent state of Israel return Golan Heights stolen from Syria, when will they stop expanding the stolen territory and when the USA will give them a state and import the whole lot to live there since they love them so much, leaving the Middle East in peace. as long this zionist is roaming free, the notion of war crime used by the european hypocrite leaders has lost its meaning. how long he will successfully keep playing the jewish victim and antisemitism cassette to cover the disgusting actions? tells a lot about israelis too that keep supports this subhuman in power.

 

[vorcirion]

I really don't support Trump but in this case I think missile strike was a correct decision just because it might deter Assad using chemical weapons. I just don't think Trump has any kind of long-term plans about Syria.
He's like a little child. Reacts but makes no plans at all. And he's still crying about the elections:

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Nice healthcare by the way! Repeal and replace...going to be so easy! Right?
I do hope that Kushner is getting more power and Bannon is getting kicked out. Might do some good for WH.
In the meanwhile I hope that China will come closer to Europe with trade etc. US can't be trusted at the moment with this manchild at the helm. Can't wait for the next elections and hope that someone with more intelligence takes US back to better course and can start normalizing relations etc.

 

[Steviedoo]

It's all a ruse. Putin and trump concocting this in order to distract from the Russian trump connection. And it's working.

 

[shewoff]

That very well may be true steviedoo. They are just starting to touch the iceberg with the Russian connection? I'am sorry but the comment's by syntynyt are more than a bit malicious and sound very anti-Israeli also? What does this line of thought have to do with the thread?

Hate is no way to make comments in a forum discussion. I have seen this thread spew a lot of idea's and comment's that should never have been brought up.Politic's is not the way to solve the problem's in the world.They are the cause of many of those problem's and never will help to solve them.

We as the human race must STOP pointing finger's and look inside of our self's.And maybe realize that the way we are doing it is all wrong.We think maybe too much of our self's as the answer to all?It is a well known fact that when you compare the Israeli state to the Muslim world you will never see the people BUT the religious ideology of two completely different world's.

Trump is posturing to take the eye's of the world OFF of his election antic's. So that the popular vote will not view him as the ding bat that he is.I don't feel good about the way the world is looking these day's. And maybe a little less talk about the mistakes that we have made,and a bit more effort to correct them?IMHO Peace Out! Out Of The Mist! shewoff

 

[syntynyt]

That very well may be true steviedoo. They are just starting to touch the iceberg with the Russian connection? I'am sorry but the comment's by syntynyt are more than a bit malicious and sound very anti-Israeli also? What does this line of thought have to do with the thread?

Hate is no way to make comments in a forum discussion. I have seen this thread spew a lot of idea's and comment's that should never have been brought up.Politic's is not the way to solve the problem's in the world.They are the cause of many of those problem's and never will help to solve them.

We as the human race must STOP pointing finger's and look inside of our self's.And maybe realize that the way we are doing it is all wrong.We think maybe too much of our self's as the answer to all?It is a well known fact that when you compare the Israeli state to the Muslim world you will never see the people BUT the religious ideology of two completely different world's.

Trump is posturing to take the eye's of the world OFF of his election antic's. So that the popular vote will not view him as the ding bat that he is.I don't feel good about the way the world is looking these day's. And maybe a little less talk about the mistakes that we have made,and a bit more effort to correct them?IMHO Peace Out! Out Of The Mist! shewoff

this thread is about Trump actions, he didn't hesitate to show full support for Israel and for the proven war criminal Netanyahu. among the last Obama actions, was the golden of his career, to abstain from UN vote on approving the ILLEGAL israeli settlements in the West Bank, this was a big move and the argument was correct, the two-state Israel Palestina solution agreement(in other words the peace agreement in the region) will fail, the Jews kept on pushing the Palestinians out of the remaining land, into the sea! War Crimes Tribunal has found Israel guilty of genocide against Palestinian people, this in 2013, and genocide further continued in silence up to 2016, look it up for infos, look who were the members of this tribunal, look at the DEATH TOLL. worrying is that nothing has happened!! Netanyahu still in power and vocal is just not acceptable. when this major world issue was officially adressed, with the word antisemitism the mouths were shut, and legal proceedings started! EU leaders are frightened puppets, they all rushed to condemn Assad all following their superpower Master, the USA. how long the Jews, particularly the Israelis will pose as the victims when in fact they are the AGGRESSOR? if you in this matter see the problem being the clash of religions, look again, in detail. Israel of today with its borders not only not belong there, but should not be the USA ally protecting its dirty actions and interests in the region. and before Israel applauds USA military intervention in Syria, they better return the Golan heights stolen overnight, branded Israel territory with world acceptance.

 

[lockinlove]

oh please stop with the Jew comments they are so absurd its outrageous lol. They have been fighting and attacking each other since the beginning of time. Both sides have been at fault throughout history.

 

[Mouche12]

@lockinlove, we don't always agree but I fully concur with this comment.

 

[syntynyt]

oh please stop with the Jew comments they are so absurd its outrageous lol. They have been fighting and attacking each other since the beginning of time. Both sides have been at fault throughout history.

as long is not happening in Canada is okay for ya. ignorance like yours is what keep them going full force with no reprisals. it really doesn't matter since when they are fighting, in the last two decades agreements between the both parties have been made only to be violated by Israel every time.
fighting each other with conventional weapons for the land is one thing, GENOCIDE is another. constant decimation of a group of people by mass destruction rockets, targeting civilians and civil buildings is the dictionary definition of war crime internationally condemned. is not similar to what Nazis did, is worse, and you choose to look away, for what reasons? this bloodthirsty land built, maintained and fraudulently enlarged on dead bodies is exactly why Middle East is stirred, excepting the constant need of resources the Superpower have and is not willing to buy it but take it by force.
l.e: i may add that every time some random palestinian is going killing spree in Israel with a knife stabbing 1-2 random people is breaking news globally. it helps a lot portraying the one side 'evil, terrorists killing peaceful people'. rarely i saw reports in the mainstream media of yet another 50 persons lot killed by an israeli rocket.

 

[lockinlove]

as long is not happening in Canada is okay for ya. ignorance like yours is what keep them going full force with no reprisals. it really doesn't matter since when they are fighting, in the last two decades agreements between the both parties have been made only to be violated by Israel every time.
fighting each other with conventional weapons for the land is one thing, GENOCIDE is another. constant decimation of a group of people by mass destruction rockets, targeting civilians and civil buildings is the dictionary definition of war crime internationally condemned. is not similar to what Nazis did, is worse, and you choose to look away, for what reasons? this bloodthirsty land built, maintained and fraudulently enlarged on dead bodies is exactly why Middle East is stirred, excepting the constant need of resources the Superpower have and is not willing to buy it but take it by force.
l.e: i may add that every time some random palestinian is going killing spree in Israel with a knife stabbing 1-2 random people is breaking news globally. it helps a lot portraying the one side 'evil, terrorists killing peaceful people'. rarely i saw reports in the mainstream media of yet another 50 persons lot killed by an israeli rocket.

lol sure. Im not even going to bother with this as its clear you have a personal bias here. Im familiar enough with world events to know everything you have posted is completely bias and mostly exaggerated. I can list at least 1000 incidents where the palestinians incited acts and I can do the same for Israel. I can show non bias articles of them teaching to kill all jews at any cost and rid them of the earth in classrooms to this day.

But none of this is worth my effort because I said, your comments are way too far fetched to have any sort of proper debate so have fun.

 

[syntynyt]

l Im familiar enough with world events to know everything you have posted is completely bias and mostly exaggerated.

presenting the facts to you is indeed a total waste of time. as for the hate and antisemitism being sown in the new *small, extincted* generation of Palestinians, is just the correct course the future will be in the region. you can't expect to invade a house, make it your own, kill its de facto owners and move on. move on? not before take the garden of the house too. long time passed since borders were drawn, treaties were signed, lands becoming sovereign states. in this year and age you can't expand your borders without stealing new land, unless you are the masters of deception and eternally pose as WW2 victims to keep the mouths shut. i passed the stage of being fooled, more so with anything related to the unholy land.

 

[slotplayer]

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Syrian conflict is very complex. Many will agree, that Assad and his government should be removed. But then what? Did removing Gaddafi or Hussein resolve issues in those countries? I'm not suggesting that any of these dictators are/were god's gifts to humankind, but one can ask why the western world keeps thinking that military action is the way to resolve anything, especially in the Middle East?

The legality (or the lack) of the missile strike can be argued from both sides. Knowing the real motivations behind the strike would be more interesting.

Have you considered that military action is a last resort and only after all diplomatic options are exhausted?

 

[ternur]

Have you considered that military action is a last resort and only after all diplomatic options are exhausted?

I have. But recent decades have shown that military action is sometimes preferred. And justifications for its use are even fabricated if needed. War is good business.

I'd like to believe people are inherently good. Sadly its not always the case. Perhaps true nature of a man is to wage war. I'd prefer to believe in Kant's "Perpetual Peace", but maybe it was Nietzsche who saw the truth: "Life is a consequence of war, society itself, a means for war."








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[geordiecolin]

Whatever the pro's and cons of America's air strikes for me the worst thing is the devastating effects it will have on the humanitarian situation. There now will be millions more folk from the region who may vacate the area in search for a better life which will impact mostly on Europe and other Arab Nations. It will not effect America so much in this regard.
It is almost as if both America and Russia wish to deliberately feck up the Middle East and are disguising it by giving an allusion that they are conflicting.

 

[slotplayer]

That very well may be true steviedoo. They are just starting to touch the iceberg with the Russian connection?

The FBI has been investigating the Russia connection since last July.

tbh, I'm more interested in why Susan Rice unmasked US citizens names and why Obama in his last couple weeks changed the rules to allow NSA raw data to be shared with 16 other security agencies. The left wing media does not cover it.

With only days until Donald Trump takes office, the Obama administration on Thursday announced new rules that will let the NSA share vast amounts of private data gathered without warrant, court orders or congressional authorization with 16 other agencies, including the FBI, the Drug Enforcement Agency, and the Department of Homeland Security.

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I also did not like Trump signing an executive order to allow our browser history to be sold without permission and another executive order allowing the mentally ill to obtain firearms. Hopefully, their doctors have the final say.

 

[Chipkin9]

lol sure. Im not even going to bother with this as its clear you have a personal bias here. Im familiar enough with world events to know everything you have posted is completely bias and mostly exaggerated. I can list at least 1000 incidents where the palestinians incited acts and I can do the same for Israel. I can show non bias articles of them teaching to kill all jews at any cost and rid them of the earth in classrooms to this day.

But none of this is worth my effort because I said, your comments are way too far fetched to have any sort of proper debate so have fun.

Well if you did, then you would know that Syria had all of their chemical weapons destroyed!

"On 23 June 2014, the last declared chemical weapons were shipped out of Syria for destruction.". Here's the Wiki for that information -

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You seem to just be gobbling up all the shit the MSM feed you, all of which is lies.

Assad has no chemical weapons and would have to be a complete moron to use them, even if he had them. With Russia's aid, Syria were driving ISIS and the other terrorist organizations back from key areas. To use chemical weapons now would be suicidal with things going in his favour, just think about that!

Why would he gas his own people just to give people a reason to act now?

Don't believe everything the MSM tells you, as there's always propaganda behind it.

The US has killed more Syrian civilians than Assad has. From hospitals to Mosques where weddings are happening etc etc...not to mention killing Syrian soldiers who are fighting terrorism.

Here' the truth.

The war going on in Syria right now is not a civil war with civilians involved, it's a war with terrorist organizations (based outside of Syria) and the FSA to overthrow President Assad. It's these organization that Assad and his military are fighting against. These organizations are very well trained and have ex military personnel in their ranks from neighbouring countries and of course ex Syria military.

So he's not bombing his own civilians, as he has the full backing of the Syrian people.

I find it hilarious that Trump was whining "Fake news" this "Fake News" that, then when the war-mouth MSM run this propaganda piece he gets trigger happy after finding out "Assad" chemically bombed his own people and children were killed. Wonder how he feels about those children killed in US airstrikes?

ETA: For the record I write everything without bias...I just think it's good to give perspective and give others an other angle to look at things, not to mention I like telling the truth.

Forgot to add a video for you, if you care to watch it.

 

[vorcirion]

The FBI has been investigating the Russia connection since last July.

tbh, I'm more interested in why Susan Rice unmasked US citizens names and why Obama in his last couple weeks changed the rules to allow NSA raw data to be shared with 16 other security agencies. The left wing media does not cover it.

With only days until Donald Trump takes office, the Obama administration on Thursday announced new rules that will let the NSA share vast amounts of private data gathered without warrant, court orders or congressional authorization with 16 other agencies, including the FBI, the Drug Enforcement Agency, and the Department of Homeland Security.

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I also did not like Trump signing an executive order to allow our browser history to be sold without permission and another executive order allowing the mentally ill to obtain firearms. Hopefully, their doctors have the final say.

That's what republicans like to do. Find someone who they can blame for whatever/everything...have tons of investigations and find nothing. Just like with Clinton. Now it's Rice's turn it seems. It's just a distraction from the disaster that Trump and republican government represents and from on-going FBI investigations. Media did cover it by the way. Tell me one media outlet that you think is unbiased enough. You seem to put all media whose stories you don't like to the left wing. As do many other people too.

Wouldn't you want to save the data so Trump and Bannon can't be the only ones accessing it and destroying it? They're perfectly willing to lie and mislead to cover the truth. Wouldn't be a surprise if they would also destroy the evidence. Was sort of funny to follow this Nunes story when White House first gives Nunes some info they uncovered to distract media again. And then Nunes comes back to White House to tell about it to Trump without telling to his committee members first But yeah he was just another idiot Trump tried to use to mislead the public. Gladly there are now truly bipartisan efforts to uncover the truth. I'm sure Trump keeps trying to distract from it as he always does.

 

[lockinlove]

Well if you did, then you would know that Syria had all of their chemical weapons destroyed!

"On 23 June 2014, the last declared chemical weapons were shipped out of Syria for destruction.". Here's the Wiki for that information -

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You seem to just be gobbling up all the shit the MSM feed you, all of which is lies.

Assad has no chemical weapons and would have to be a complete moron to use them, even if he had them. With Russia's aid, Syria were driving ISIS and the other terrorist organizations back from key areas. To use chemical weapons now would be suicidal with things going in his favour, just think about that!

Why would he gas his own people just to give people a reason to act now?

Don't believe everything the MSM tells you, as there's always propaganda behind it.

The US has killed more Syrian civilians than Assad has. From hospitals to Mosques where weddings are happening etc etc...not to mention killing Syrian soldiers who are fighting terrorism.

Here' the truth.

The war going on in Syria right now is not a civil war with civilians involved, it's a war with terrorist organizations (based outside of Syria) and the FSA to overthrow President Assad. It's these organization that Assad and his military are fighting against. These organizations are very well trained and have ex military personnel in their ranks from neighbouring countries and of course ex Syria military.

So he's not bombing his own civilians, as he has the full backing of the Syrian people.

I find it hilarious that Trump was whining "Fake news" this "Fake News" that, then when the war-mouth MSM run this propaganda piece he gets trigger happy after finding out "Assad" chemically bombed his own people and children were killed. Wonder how he feels about those children killed in US airstrikes?

ETA: For the record I write everything without bias...I just think it's good to give perspective and give others an other angle to look at things, not to mention I like telling the truth.

Forgot to add a video for you, if you care to watch it.





So you are going to believe Assad over everyone else are you? The same guy that has gassed his people dozens of times.

You are going to believe assad over the people of syria are you? You know the ones begging the USA step in. Civilians and doctors. Doctors who are treating the people suffering from chemical burns and affects?

Right none exist because some dictator wouldnt dare hide some now would he or make more? Its all just a big lie. All that video footage of syrians recording it with their phones is doctored is it? That on ground footage of the doctors working on the vicitims at the same time asking for help?

And the USA is lying about the satellite footage they have of syrian war planes leaving that base and dropping chemicals?

And another funny thing is..after the chemical attack was leaked out more war planes went and dropped bombs on that area where there wasnt a single rebel, terrorists or anything else. Now why would that be?

And no I dont care to watch conspiracy theories. Alot of what she said was debunked by investigators into her claims. And btw she writes for a russian funded media outlet called russia today.
I suggest instead of telling others not to eat up reports, you do the same. A little bit of research goes a long way.

 

[lockinlove]

double post

 

[Chipkin9]

So you are going to believe Assad over everyone else are you? The same guy that has gassed his people dozens of times.

You are going to believe assad over the people of syria are you? You know the ones begging the USA step in. Civilians and doctors. Doctors who are treating the people suffering from chemical burns and affects?

Right none exist because some dictator wouldnt dare hide some now would he or make more? Its all just a big lie. All that video footage of syrians recording it with their phones is doctored is it? That on ground footage of the doctors working on the vicitims at the same time asking for help?

And the USA is lying about the satellite footage they have of syrian war planes leaving that base and dropping chemicals?

And another funny thing is..after the chemical attack was leaked out more war planes went and dropped bombs on that area where there wasnt a single rebel, terrorists or anything else. Now why would that be?

And no I dont care to watch conspiracy theories. Alot of what she said was debunked by investigators into her claims. And btw she writes for a russian funded media outlet called russia today.
I suggest instead of telling others not to eat up reports, you do the same. A little bit of research goes a long way.

The ones asking the USA to step in are the terrorists (who are getting their asses handed to them), not the civilians. The USA are invested in them overthrowing Assad, which is why you see all the propaganda saying Assad did this and that, when in fact he hasn't, Assad is against the Terrorists that are invading his country, not his civilians. The terrorists have used chemical weapons though and it was their facility that got blown up with a Syrian airstrike.

I'm going to believe what I want to believe on the subject, not what the media tells me. There are alternative sources available and I come to my own conclusion based on facts.

I'm a free thinker and draw my own conclusions.

The only thing else I'll say on the matter is I feel extreme sympathy for the people who have to live there...it's a sad state of affairs whichever way you want to look at the situation.

ETA: Regarding the footage with doctors. There is a group in Syria named the "White Helmets". They are affiliated with with the terrorist organizations in Syria and have been hugely financed by western governments.

Here is a video of them staging a crisis.

 

[lockinlove]

The ones asking the USA to step in are the terrorists (who are getting their asses handed to them), not the civilians. The USA are invested in them overthrowing Assad, which is why you see all the propaganda saying Assad did this and that, when in fact he hasn't, Assad is against the Terrorists that are invading his country, not his civilians. The terrorists have used chemical weapons though and it was their facility that got blown up with a Syrian airstrike.

I'm going to believe what I want to believe on the subject, not what the media tells me. There are alternative sources available and I come to my own conclusion based on facts.

I'm a free thinker and draw my own conclusions.

The only thing else I'll say on the matter is I feel extreme sympathy for the people who have to live there...it's a sad state of affairs whichever way you want to look at the situation.

ETA: Regarding the footage with doctors. There is a group in Syria named the "White Helmets". They are affiliated with with the terrorist organizations in Syria and have been hugely financed by western governments.

Here is a video of them staging a crisis.




Im not going to scour the hundreds of videos... you can go and search syrians beg for help and you will come up with tonnes of videos. The recent chemical attack, there is video footage of a doctor treating children in a busted up building begging for help because assad is constantly attacking them. There is another video of a survivor of one of the gas attacks begging Trump for help and to intervene because of assad. so no it is not terrorists.

I know what the white helmets are and actually that girl in the video tried making up stuff about them. When they were fact checked they found her claims to be false and provided video footage as proof. Same thing with her claims about Aya popping up in numerous areas. That was fact checked with actual footage and pictures and there were 3 different Aya's. So again she was wrong.

There is no proof a building being blown up that was full of chemicals. Its what the Russians and Syrians are saying. Some neutral experts rebuked that suggestion and said it was absolutely impossible. But there is proof of sattelite recording of war planes leaving that base and dropping bombs at the exact same time. Plus Syrian citizens stated they saw the bombs being dropped on them. Think of this. Trump was 100% against interfering in Syria. they took the policy of letting them figure it out. Then Trump was provided all the proof of the attack and he suddenly got involved. You cant tell me he didnt do that without a pile of evidence.

Another thing to add. Assad has gassed his people many times. Many. I mean seriously, look at all the chemical weapons Russia found. So Assad clearly believes in using them so i dont know why its so hard to believe it now. Sure both sides use propaganda so its up to us to decided which is which but with something like this, I think its conspiracy theorists that try and claim false.

Ask yourself this. Why would anyone fake anything that results in a minor attack by america? If America wanted to get involved they would. If they wanted to sell it to the people, they had their chance with this latest gas attack. They didnt. They undertook a small attack to send a message to stop the chemical attacks. They didnt kill a bunch of people, they didnt storm Syria and take it over. They destroyed 20 planes and a few soldiers were killed. This is clearly a message being sent to stop chemical attacks.

 

[syntynyt]

Chipkin how you dare to think for yourself and present facts from alternative sources, its all conspiracies i tell ya! you are telling USA and all its allies are wrong? what a blasphemy! even if some readers are lost causes, some may lighten up in the process of reading and denying. keep the sheeple informed, i for one cannot have the patience and always have to chose careful words on google translate to not offend witch i really not intend. thanks

 

[lockinlove]

Russia Today sure is a great source lol

Im glad for different opinions and people who question it, it would be a boring thread without the conspiracies or difference in opinion so Im not sure why you need to make a sheeple comment. Dont get so offended that others dont buy into your jew rants or your view on things. Just accept it and enjoy the conversation

 

[syntynyt]

sheeple comment because the documented facts i've written have been labelled bias, absurd, exaggerated. that subject is so vast that few links wont cover it. i'm not a Palestinian, i don't live with or near Jews, no synagogue on at least 2000km area, i like the truth and i like to see the true war crime being punished, like the Jews themselves once wanted that. the victim transformed into aggressor. if you are really interested in the fate of some unfortunate people(yeah kids included, lots of, seems to be the selling point to draw attention to war, LMAO) that have been killed en masse with no justice, make some google formulations off my 'rants' and will head you to unadulterated, unbiased evidence, independent journalists, official court debates and conclusions, on the subject that have had not a single report in the zionist mainstream media during the recent years. on this subject is nothing left to debate, you are rightly informed or not, simple as that. there is only one enemy in that desert, unfortunately it has to be the USA ally. do just a little bit of search, then is up to you to believe anything you want.

 

[Chipkin9]

Im not going to scour the hundreds of videos... you can go and search syrians beg for help and you will come up with tonnes of videos. The recent chemical attack, there is video footage of a doctor treating children in a busted up building begging for help because assad is constantly attacking them. There is another video of a survivor of one of the gas attacks begging Trump for help and to intervene because of assad. so no it is not terrorists.

I know what the white helmets are and actually that girl in the video tried making up stuff about them. When they were fact checked they found her claims to be false and provided video footage as proof. Same thing with her claims about Aya popping up in numerous areas. That was fact checked with actual footage and pictures and there were 3 different Aya's. So again she was wrong.

There is no proof a building being blown up that was full of chemicals. Its what the Russians and Syrians are saying. Some neutral experts rebuked that suggestion and said it was absolutely impossible. But there is proof of sattelite recording of war planes leaving that base and dropping bombs at the exact same time. Plus Syrian citizens stated they saw the bombs being dropped on them. Think of this. Trump was 100% against interfering in Syria. they took the policy of letting them figure it out. Then Trump was provided all the proof of the attack and he suddenly got involved. You cant tell me he didnt do that without a pile of evidence.

Another thing to add. Assad has gassed his people many times. Many. I mean seriously, look at all the chemical weapons Russia found. So Assad clearly believes in using them so i dont know why its so hard to believe it now. Sure both sides use propaganda so its up to us to decided which is which but with something like this, I think its conspiracy theorists that try and claim false.

Ask yourself this. Why would anyone fake anything that results in a minor attack by america? If America wanted to get involved they would. If they wanted to sell it to the people, they had their chance with this latest gas attack. They didnt. They undertook a small attack to send a message to stop the chemical attacks. They didnt kill a bunch of people, they didnt storm Syria and take it over. They destroyed 20 planes and a few soldiers were killed. This is clearly a message being sent to stop chemical attacks.

Hi Lock.

I completely respect that you have your own opinion cemented, but some of your replies slightly confuse me.

This one for example. Now for sure I am not saying everything is staged...of course their is very real footage of atrocities being committed in Syria, 90% of which is carnage carried out by ISIS, but I am certain there has been "Collateral Damage" done by Assad's forces as well....almost impossible for there not to be considering ISIS hideout at schools and hospitals and use children as shields; but this is a fact. Assad is NOT intentionally targeting the Syrian population, ONLY terrorists. I went off track a little, but there are certain groups who are indeed faking atrocities to appeal to the masses...the groups are funded by western governments to deliver their propaganda....The MSM has even gone as far as to use footage of ISIS bombings to use to paint Assad as a War Criminal.

Also the USA did use this to get involved and sold it to the people, and the people bought it.



I provided evidence that Syria destroyed their chemical weapons, there is no reason or evidence to suggest otherwise.

What I don't see is evidence that chemical weapons were dropped.

Do you not even think it is remotely possible that ISIS had a facility where chemical weapons were stored and Syria dropped a conventional bomb as opposed to a chemical one?

Like I said earlier, by doing this Assad loses, it makes zero sense. And like you said, just days before, Trump said he wouldn't get involved, so why TF would Assad do this, knowing he is in the clear?

What does make sense though is ISIS deliberately putting the weapons there knowing it was the next target; it is the perfect way to try and get the US involved to help their cause against Assad's government...which has always been the US plan anyway, hence pushing the propaganda, and blaming Assad.

I find Eva Bartlett to be a very credible and articulate reporter...what would her agenda be by dismissing the MSN version of events?

Another Video, since I seem to be getting into a theme of it

 

[geordiecolin]

I don't believe all that we are being fed and more to the point neither does this man

 

[lockinlove]

Hi Lock.

I completely respect that you have your own opinion cemented, but some of your replies slightly confuse me.

This one for example. Now for sure I am not saying everything is staged...of course their is very real footage of atrocities being committed in Syria, 90% of which is carnage carried out by ISIS, but I am certain there has been "Collateral Damage" done by Assad's forces as well....almost impossible for there not to be considering ISIS hideout at schools and hospitals and use children as shields; but this is a fact. Assad is NOT intentionally targeting the Syrian population, ONLY terrorists. I went off track a little, but there are certain groups who are indeed faking atrocities to appeal to the masses...the groups are funded by western governments to deliver their propaganda....The MSM has even gone as far as to use footage of ISIS bombings to use to paint Assad as a War Criminal.

Also the USA did use this to get involved and sold it to the people, and the people bought it.



I provided evidence that Syria destroyed their chemical weapons, there is no reason or evidence to suggest otherwise.

What I don't see is evidence that chemical weapons were dropped.

Do you not even think it is remotely possible that ISIS had a facility where chemical weapons were stored and Syria dropped a conventional bomb as opposed to a chemical one?

Like I said earlier, by doing this Assad loses, it makes zero sense. And like you said, just days before, Trump said he wouldn't get involved, so why TF would Assad do this, knowing he is in the clear?

What does make sense though is ISIS deliberately putting the weapons there knowing it was the next target; it is the perfect way to try and get the US involved to help their cause against Assad's government...which has always been the US plan anyway, hence pushing the propaganda, and blaming Assad.

I find Eva Bartlett to be a very credible and articulate reporter...what would her agenda be by dismissing the MSN version of events?

Another Video, since I seem to be getting into a theme of it


The thing is though is that investigators wanted to go in and test the soil and other things and they were refused by Assad. If he was innocent, why wouldnt they welcome them? I havent seen actual evidence either but alot of things add up.

Assad has used chemical weapons before.

Planes from that base were tracked doing this.

Warplanes went and destroyed any possible evidence from the scene after the fact

Trump got involved. Days before this him and his pals all stood up and said they want to leave it to Syria. Trump has always wanted that. But then he was provided, what I believe to be a mountain of evidence to do a complete 180 and get involved.

The size of the attack. It was purely a message being sent.

Russia and Syria stating it was a building full of chemicals. unbias experts stated thats impossible.

I dont think they tried to sell anything to anyone. If they did, they would declare war on them. Not get involved by issuing a small meaningless assault.

Syrian citizens that suffered that attack stated they saw the chemical bombs dropped on them

Doctors in these hospitals pleaded with america to help them because of Assad.


To answer your question about Eva Bartlett being credible. She works for Russia Today. Can you get any more bias than that? And again. Do a fact checker on her claims. There is actual evidence, video and pictures of people debunking some of her claims.

Could all of these be lies? I guess so but I find it highly unlikely and it would have to be one hell of a coincidence.

None of us will know for sure though all we can do is research as much as possible and come to a conclusion. What I like to do after watching a video or reading an article from either side, I look for evidence debunking the claims and go from there.

 

[lockinlove]

sheeple comment because the documented facts i've written have been labelled bias, absurd, exaggerated. that subject is so vast that few links wont cover it. i'm not a Palestinian, i don't live with or near Jews, no synagogue on at least 2000km area, i like the truth and i like to see the true war crime being punished, like the Jews themselves once wanted that. the victim transformed into aggressor. if you are really interested in the fate of some unfortunate people(yeah kids included, lots of, seems to be the selling point to draw attention to war, LMAO) that have been killed en masse with no justice, make some google formulations off my 'rants' and will head you to unadulterated, unbiased evidence, independent journalists, official court debates and conclusions, on the subject that have had not a single report in the zionist mainstream media during the recent years. on this subject is nothing left to debate, you are rightly informed or not, simple as that. there is only one enemy in that desert, unfortunately it has to be the USA ally. do just a little bit of search, then is up to you to believe anything you want.

Here's the problem. You are going after jews and not the other side. When everyone in the world (and even palestinians) admit to being partially at fault. So yes, your post comes across as incredibly bias when you blame only the jews because any neutral person would admit both sides have committed an equal amount of atrocities.

 

[Chipkin9]

The thing is though is that investigators wanted to go in and test the soil and other things and they were refused by Assad. If he was innocent, why wouldnt they welcome them? I havent seen actual evidence either but alot of things add up.

Investigators from where? For all Assad knew, these "Investigators" could have tampered with the soil deliberately to reinforce the propaganda...then it would be 100% game over for him, maybe that is why he would refuse?

That's of course if what you say is true, I have no info on that.

Assad has used chemical weapons before.

Also still up for debate, the only "evidence" of this is what you hear from the mainstream.

Planes from that base were tracked doing this.

Probably true, but again all that proves is that the plane was there, what it doesn't provide is evidence that there was chemical weapons aboard rather than conventional bombs.

Trump got involved. Days before this him and his pals all stood up and said they want to leave it to Syria. Trump has always wanted that. But then he was provided, what I believe to be a mountain of evidence to do a complete 180 and get involved.

Ok, I'll keep an open mind on this one. Maybe the fact is Trump had overwhelming evidence that Assad did in fact use chemical weapons and decided to take action...I'd like to see this evidence if true, cause it would be yuuuge.

But it still makes zero sense for Assad to do this when Trump stated he would not get involved.

That's exactly like an innocent man being found innocent at court and then going on a killing spree after leaving.

The size of the attack. It was purely a message being sent.

A chess move. Despite informing Russia of the strike, it's a flexing of muscle to see how strongly Russia Reacts.

Russia and Syria stating it was a building full of chemicals. unbias experts stated thats impossible.

Genuine request for a link to that please if you have it on hand. Otherwise I have reservations about how "unbiased" these "Experts" are

I dont think they tried to sell anything to anyone. If they did, they would declare war on them. Not get involved by issuing a small meaningless assault.

Well, why didn't they? If they were so convinced of it why did they just send a message instead of declaring war as you wrote?......Like I said you are bamboozling me

Syrian citizens that suffered that attack stated they saw the chemical bombs dropped on them

How could they tell? When bombs are dropping you don't know what's contained in it until after the explosion.

I'm sure they could tell it was Sarin gas, but only after the explosion on the chemical stockpile facility.

Also these "Civilians" could have been terrorists themselves.

Could all of these be lies? I guess so but I find it highly unlikely and it would have to be one hell of a coincidence.

Not a coincidence...Propaganda and conspiracies are real, as are false flags

To answer your question about Eva Bartlett being credible. She works for Russia Today. Can you get any more bias than that? And again. Do a fact checker on her claims. There is actual evidence, video and pictures of people debunking some of her claims.

Laugh, ridicule or outright dismiss me for this, but yes, I find RT more unbiased and credible in their journalism as opposed to others

None of us will know for sure though all we can do is research as much as possible and come to a conclusion. What I like to do after watching a video or reading an article from either side, I look for evidence debunking the claims and go from there.

Me too, that's what I like to hear, question everything.

I mean Assad could have done all he's accused of, but there is not a single shred of evidence that he has, and until otherwise proven I will go with the facts I have at hand.

 

[syntynyt]

there is no other side lockinlove. i yet again make the appeal for you to search, to find the number of deaths of each side for each particular year, the 'atrocities' committed by Palestinians are numbered in dozens and made by conventional weapons, of Israelis resemble genocide that they were condemned for, not only for the deaths by weaponry but by long deprivation of aliments, medicine and water. genocide is about civilians, not soldiers, and civilians were targeted on purpose. conquer,steal,eradicate. just read the international tribual conclusion report, a start for anyone interested in the matter. the development of this war since its inception was only attacker vs defender, action vs reaction, collective suffering vs revenge. you can't accuse 'the other side' of fighting back can you, or is not allowed.

 

[slotplayer]

Originally Posted by lockinlove:
Assad has used chemical weapons before.

Also still up for debate, the only "evidence" of this is what you hear from the mainstream.

Hear it from President Obama himself.

President Obama Address To The Nation On Syria! - FULL SPEECH!! - 9/10/2013

 

[lockinlove]

Investigators from where? For all Assad knew, these "Investigators" could have tampered with the soil deliberately to reinforce the propaganda...then it would be 100% game over for him, maybe that is why he would refuse?

That's of course if what you say is true, I have no info on that.





Also still up for debate, the only "evidence" of this is what you hear from the mainstream.



Probably true, but again all that proves is that the plane was there, what it doesn't provide is evidence that there was chemical weapons aboard rather than conventional bombs.





Ok, I'll keep an open mind on this one. Maybe the fact is Trump had overwhelming evidence that Assad did in fact use chemical weapons and decided to take action...I'd like to see this evidence if true, cause it would be yuuuge.

But it still makes zero sense for Assad to do this when Trump stated he would not get involved.

That's exactly like an innocent man being found innocent at court and then going on a killing spree after leaving.



A chess move. Despite informing Russia of the strike, it's a flexing of muscle to see how strongly Russia Reacts.



Genuine request for a link to that please if you have it on hand. Otherwise I have reservations about how "unbiased" these "Experts" are



Well, why didn't they? If they were so convinced of it why did they just send a message instead of declaring war as you wrote?......Like I said you are bamboozling me



How could they tell? When bombs are dropping you don't know what's contained in it until after the explosion.

I'm sure they could tell it was Sarin gas, but only after the explosion on the chemical stockpile facility.

Also these "Civilians" could have been terrorists themselves.



Not a coincidence...Propaganda and conspiracies are real, as are false flags



Laugh, ridicule or outright dismiss me for this, but yes, I find RT more unbiased and credible in their journalism as opposed to others



Me too, that's what I like to hear, question everything.

I mean Assad could have done all he's accused of, but there is not a single shred of evidence that he has, and until otherwise proven I will go with the facts I have at hand.

I was going to respond to each thing but re-read your responses. You are saying everything is a conspiracy. Everything was carefully placed? The citizens were strategic terrorists? The doctors were terrorists pretending to be doctors? The places might have just been dropping bombs and not chemicals? Come on. The citizens said they saw the bombs being dropped NOT on a building and then not long after started showing symptoms of chemical attacks.

Beyza Unal, a research fellow with the International Security Department at Chatham House, said the banned nerve agent is expensive and difficult to purify and store.

“Something that needs a certain level of expertise and also money,” she told The Independent, saying any facility would need the ability to take oxygen out of the area where sarin is stored.



“I don’t think rebel groups would have the ability governments would have to purify nerve agents to a level that would make them stable,” Dr Unal added.

“I don’t buy the Russian claims…the story doesn’t add up.”

She added that images of bomb craters in Khan Sheikhoun indicated small payloads, rather than explosives of the type typically used to destroy an entire building.

Why didnt america declare war? Exactly. Because they dont want to be involved in another quagmire. Trump wants his money spent at home not on that garbage. Remember, for the first time america is dealing with a business man that hasnt been bought and is not a politician. So this even lessens the likelihood of a conspiracy. What do they have to gain by a small attack? Nothing other than sending a message to stop gassing your people.

I have watched every assad interview and I will tell you one thing, he is a very smart and sneaky man. But you know who he sounds like who was also incredibly smart and gassed his own people? Hussein.

Who were the experts? Liberals on CNN. Thats all that needs to be said there. The one channel that despises Trump and would love to hang him out to dry stood up for his actions and experts spoke on his behalf. But no seriously many scientists that have no reason to lie. One being Elize baker who is a the Syrian researcher for physicians of human rights.

Ok so you dont believe assad gassed people before? Then why exactly did he have it all in the first place?

Another thing. The story the Syrians are saying is they performed an attack on a chemical building? Oh really and why would you do that knowing full well that it would leak to the citizens then?

I think its great you question everything and do not believe the media as do I but I dont understand how you come to the conclusion it was a big conspiracy.

 

[Chipkin9]

Hear it from President Obama himself.

President Obama Address To The Nation On Syria! - FULL SPEECH!! - 9/10/2013



Ok, so Ill have a slice of humble pie.

Obama is a really good speaker and speaks with such humility and honesty. I've never seen him so candid like that.

Now I am not defending Assad here, the use of chemical weapons are a line you just don't cross, but there are 2 things to make a point of here. (I hate him for using them in the 1st place)

In 2013 when he did use them, I think it was a desperate deterrent towards the terrorists overflowing his country...very stupid and shortsighted of him to even consider, but rats while go for your throat if cornered (That's actually a false saying btw)

It doesn't mean that recent events indicate that Assad has used them again (as they've been destroyed), and it's widely reported that ISIS, Al Nursa et al has CW's.

With so many conflicting reports and muddying of the water, it's hard to know what the truth even is anymore.

It's a really demoralizing world we live in

 

[slotplayer]

That's what republicans like to do. Find someone who they can blame for whatever/everything...have tons of investigations and find nothing. Just like with Clinton. Now it's Rice's turn it seems. It's just a distraction from the disaster that Trump and republican government represents and from on-going FBI investigations. Media did cover it by the way. Tell me one media outlet that you think is unbiased enough. You seem to put all media whose stories you don't like to the left wing. As do many other people too.

Wouldn't you want to save the data so Trump and Bannon can't be the only ones accessing it and destroying it? They're perfectly willing to lie and mislead to cover the truth. Wouldn't be a surprise if they would also destroy the evidence. Was sort of funny to follow this Nunes story when White House first gives Nunes some info they uncovered to distract media again. And then Nunes comes back to White House to tell about it to Trump without telling to his committee members first But yeah he was just another idiot Trump tried to use to mislead the public. Gladly there are now truly bipartisan efforts to uncover the truth. I'm sure Trump keeps trying to distract from it as he always does.

I'm not a republican, I'm a registered independent. I just preferred Trump policies over Clinton's or Bernie Sanders this election cycle. I'm only interested in Healthcare reform, Tax reform, Immigration reform and the US economy, the rest is just a bunch of noise for me.

 

[slotplayer]

Ok, so Ill have a slice of humble pie.

Obama is a really good speaker and speaks with such humility and honesty. I've never seen him so candid like that.

Now I am not defending Assad here, the use of chemical weapons are a line you just don't cross, but there are 2 things to make a point of here. (I hate him for using them in the 1st place)

In 2013 when he did use them, I think it was a desperate deterrent towards the terrorists overflowing his country...very stupid and shortsighted of him to even consider, but rats while go for your throat if cornered (That's actually a false saying btw)

It doesn't mean that recent events indicate that Assad has used them again (as they've been destroyed), and it's widely reported that ISIS, Al Nursa et al has CW's.

With so many conflicting reports and muddying of the water, it's hard to know what the truth even is anymore.

It's a really demoralizing world we live in

That's good man, you have a good character. The world is messed up and unless we're in the room it's hard to know the truth on anything.

I might add I'm not sure countries outside the US would see the entire address to the nation.

 

[lockinlove]

Ok, so Ill have a slice of humble pie.

Obama is a really good speaker and speaks with such humility and honesty. I've never seen him so candid like that.

Now I am not defending Assad here, the use of chemical weapons are a line you just don't cross, but there are 2 things to make a point of here. (I hate him for using them in the 1st place)

In 2013 when he did use them, I think it was a desperate deterrent towards the terrorists overflowing his country...very stupid and shortsighted of him to even consider, but rats while go for your throat if cornered (That's actually a false saying btw)

It doesn't mean that recent events indicate that Assad has used them again (as they've been destroyed), and it's widely reported that ISIS, Al Nursa et al has CW's.

With so many conflicting reports and muddying of the water, it's hard to know what the truth even is anymore.

It's a really demoralizing world we live in

If it was ever proven this stuff is a farce that would be beyond disgusting. And trust me I do not trust politicians ever. We seen this crap with Bush in Iraq. Even though I think it was somewhat justified because of all the threats from Hussein, I still think them saying there were WMD's when they werent was unacceptable. But this only furthers my argument that conspiracies arent that easy. If they were, the americans would have placed some WMD's in Iraq when they realized they werent any.

 

[wbritton]

You European's do know a lot of American blood has been split,(ie,40's) so that you can have the right too say what you think without repercussions.

 

[vorcirion]

I'm not a republican, I'm a registered independent. I just preferred Trump policies over Clinton's or Bernie Sanders this election cycle. I'm only interested in Healthcare reform, Tax reform, Immigration reform and the US economy, the rest is just a bunch of noise for me.

What kind of healthcare reform you want from Trump?

 

[slotplayer]

What kind of healthcare reform you want from Trump?

I did not like that GOP plan and was glad it did not pass. It had a 17% approval rating which says a lot.

I like the idea of pooling people via the banking system (Rand Paul idea) to get group rates, that's a possibility.

I'd like a plan that covers everyone 100% from the day their born to the day they die.

Personally, I don't see the free market as a solution to healthcare.

It's not like there aren't a half dozen successful healthcare systems from other countries they can model one after.

 

[ternur]

You European's do know a lot of American blood has been split,(ie,40's) so that you can have the right too say what you think without repercussions.

Welcome to the forum. You chose a heated topic to start posting.

Are you saying the good old USA brought us Europeans free speech?

Edit. Just noticed you've been here for years. Nice to see I'm not the only lazy poster.

 

[rena35]

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[vorcirion]

Trump seems to change his views in international matters completely. Just saw his press conference with NATO's secretary general. Sounded promising I have to say! If he keeps changing this much then I'm sure Bannon will be out soon.

 

[World master]

She is pretty and probably the most glamorous First Lady since Jackie O, even if she insists she doesn't want the title and can't really speak English too well!

And yes I did recoil in horror after seeing the thread title

As for the protesters, there were about 600 students that looked like Pirates OTC rejects and smashed a few windows. They soon went running like pussies when the police cracked out the tear gas, it was a pitiful sight.

There's peaceful protesting and trying to get one's point across in a civilized manner, problem with these dimwits is that they have the reasoning skills of an infant and cannot hold reasonable debate, and inevitably almost always resort to petulant outbursts and idiocracy.

I agree that the beauty of Melanya will bring peace

 

[Kevin Stark]

What do you think that Trump will do against North Korea and its nuclear program?

 

[Van7Diesel]

I have been watching coverage of President Trump's inaugural parade and watching Melania Trump. I have to say she is gorgeous and so refined looking. Not making a political statement here just saying she looked great. Poised and elegant.

I totally agree! Melanie is a gorgeous woman!

 

[Van7Diesel]

What do you think that Trump will do against North Korea and its nuclear program?

It seems to me that Trump it won't be easy in this situation! Because war does not need anyone, I think, especially nuclear! And to intimidate North Korea is necessary!))

 

[lockinlove]

Im starting to question some things he is doing. I like his tough stance on terrorist countries or countries threatening north america and stuff like that

But is he really going to start a trade war with Canada of all places? He said he's going to come after us with dairy and now he slapped tariffs on our lumber. lol like ok. Are you serious buddy? You are only hurting the citizens of your country because the building companies will just raise their prices that will fall on the customer.

Since you get a large portion of oil and water from here how about we start slapping fee's on you?

He looks at one situation and decides on it. But he doesnt realize that his country has the upper hand on some trading too. It all evens out at the end for the most part aside from China really.

I think he needs to settle down and not go after his allies and largest trading partners. I just hope trudeau has the balls to stand up to him. So far he seems rather weak and scared and I have a feeling thats why Trump is coming after us and leaving China and Mexico alone after ranting about them for the past year