Pragmatic Play Big Bass Games

[satchnz]

I actually thought we had 3 new big bass games, Sadly its more of the same clones with jackpots tied into them. Sadly even big bass cant avoid the awful shitty jackpots disease.

Nothing new just big bass with jackpots tied in. Gutted!

It is only three, isn't it? Hold & Spinner and Floats my Boat are older Bass games. Maybe new to the casino in the screenshot.

 

[dunover]

Static jackpots are the curse of game design. You never win the bigger ones, they simply store RTP to keep you playing.

 

[Casinos Hate Winners]

Static jackpots are the curse of game design. You never win the bigger ones, they simply store RTP to keep you playing.

RTP cannot “store” in a jackpot. It never accumulates. It is simply the rules that define how probabilities are paid out.

You probably mean jackpots that scale with the bet size, like 1000x the stake. Pragmatic has plenty of those. But that is basically just a regular win that is called a jackpot.

In my view the real curse is 5,000x max wins that hit less than once in a million spins. My expectations and the bar set by these games are simply too high.

 

[dunover]

RTP cannot “store” in a jackpot. It never accumulates. It is simply the rules that define how probabilities are paid out.

You probably mean jackpots that scale with the bet size, like 1000x the stake. Pragmatic has plenty of those. But that is basically just a regular win that is called a jackpot.

In my view the real curse is 5,000x max wins that hit less than once in a million spins. My expectations and the bar set by these games are simply too high.

Yes, I used the wrong word there, I meant pooled jackpots which are allocated from the game RTP at the expense of the base game and features. So thousands of players use a diminished game for the benefit of a single major winner who gets the stored Grand JP. But that's the risk.

Static jackpots are simply another RNG value no different in basis from their equivalent values won in the base game or bonus rounds, just represented via a specific feature, random or otherwise.

And I hate them just as much as the pooled ones, for the simple reason that it becomes apparent much quicker and with less preamble that you aren't going to win one of the two highest categories whereas at least in most free spins formats you often have a chance (or illusion thereof) that a major win or capped win can appear on any spin. It's the hope that kills.

 

[avfcalex23]

Really??? Pragmatic 5 new fishing games in one day, for goodness sake get some new ideas.

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Yeah they should really get some new ideas.

I mean landing a 530x feature on my first go on big bass master classic sucks ass

 

[avfcalex23]

RTP cannot “store” in a jackpot. It never accumulates. It is simply the rules that define how probabilities are paid out.

You probably mean jackpots that scale with the bet size, like 1000x the stake. Pragmatic has plenty of those. But that is basically just a regular win that is called a jackpot.

In my view the real curse is 5,000x max wins that hit less than once in a million spins. My expectations and the bar set by these games are simply too high.

From someone that’s had two max wins in the past 7 months (since I started playing slots) on big bass Halloween 2100x for £600 - 30p stake big bass return to the races 5000x for £2000 40p stake and hit two max fish on big bass 1000 at 1000x for £800 x2 80p stakes I disagree.

I’ve either been extremely lucky or these slots aren’t as bad as everyone makes out. See above I’ve just this second landed a 530x bonus feature on the new master classic slot…

I don’t hit anywhere near as big on literally ANYTHING else - but I’ll regularly make a profit or at least my deposits back on pragmatic big bass

 

[Reelsoffun]

From someone that’s had two max wins in the past 7 months (since I started playing slots) on big bass Halloween 2100x for £600 - 30p stake big bass return to the races 5000x for £2000 40p stake and hit two max fish on big bass 1000 at 1000x for £800 x2 80p stakes I disagree.

I’ve either been extremely lucky or these slots aren’t as bad as everyone makes out. See above I’ve just this second landed a 530x bonus feature on the new master classic slot…

I don’t hit anywhere near as big on literally ANYTHING else - but I’ll regularly make a profit or at least my deposits back on pragmatic big bass

You have been extremely lucky, and they are as bad as most of us make out

God help you when they start playing for you the same as they play for the rest of us…..

 

[steveh35]

Yeah they should really get some new ideas.

I mean landing a 530x feature on my first go on big bass master classic sucks ass

Does that mean they should keep repeating the same old crap just because you got lucky on your first go? The problem with the casino players and the industry, no new ideas just keep playing same old rubbish, time for new ideas.

 

[avfcalex23]

Does that mean they should keep repeating the same old crap just because you got lucky on your first go? The problem with the casino players and the industry, no new ideas just keep playing same old rubbish, time for new ideas.

Do something about it then and stop complaining.

Draw up some ideas and submit them to developers … moaning on here isn’t going to get you anywhere.

Most members on here are happy when others win, but you get the odd one or two that scream ‘lucky’ and seem generally disheartened that punters have taken money off these leaches.

Edit: with the greatest of respect… if it’s at all possible with my response as blunt as it was.

 

[spindoctor99]

Do something about it then and stop complaining.

Draw up some ideas and submit them to developers … moaning on here isn’t going to get you anywhere.

Most members on here are happy when others win, but you get the odd one or two that scream ‘lucky’ and seem generally disheartened that punters have taken money off these leaches.

Edit: with the greatest of respect… if it’s at all possible with my response as blunt as it was.

Well you were lucky. Whenever I played any big bass game it was the regular 15x win.

No one is unhappy you won, but everyone else is just being realistic in saying that the big bass range of games is absolute dogshit. I have had plenty of bonuses on big bass in the past and I don't think any were over 100x.

 

[satchnz]

From someone that’s had two max wins in the past 7 months (since I started playing slots) on big bass Halloween 2100x for £600 - 30p stake big bass return to the races 5000x for £2000 40p stake and hit two max fish on big bass 1000 at 1000x for £800 x2 80p stakes I disagree.

I’ve either been extremely lucky or these slots aren’t as bad as everyone makes out. See above I’ve just this second landed a 530x bonus feature on the new master classic slot…

I don’t hit anywhere near as big on literally ANYTHING else - but I’ll regularly make a profit or at least my deposits back on pragmatic big bass

I can tell you as someone who is very lucky when it comes to playing slots that the Big Bass games are super harsh. When I was playing them regularly, I got a couple of decent hits but that's in amongst all of the chaff those games spit out.

Conclusion: You are unproportionally lucky when it comes to Big Bass ;-)

 

[olivia01]

Big Bass games are fun but wow… the dead spins are brutal! Anyone else feel like the big win teases you more than it pays? What's your experience?

 

[Casinos Hate Winners]

From someone that’s had two max wins in the past 7 months (since I started playing slots) on big bass Halloween 2100x for £600 - 30p stake big bass return to the races 5000x for £2000 40p stake and hit two max fish on big bass 1000 at 1000x for £800 x2 80p stakes I disagree.

I’ve either been extremely lucky or these slots aren’t as bad as everyone makes out. See above I’ve just this second landed a 530x bonus feature on the new master classic slot…

I don’t hit anywhere near as big on literally ANYTHING else - but I’ll regularly make a profit or at least my deposits back on pragmatic big bass

There are no good or bad slots.

Sooner or later the math catches up, and if you keep playing, you will end up losing exactly what the RTP predicts.

The only question is how fast it happens.

 

[Casinos Hate Winners]

So thousands of players use a diminished game for the benefit of a single major winner who gets the stored Grand JP. But that's the risk.

For the same reason I actually love them.

Many people play and build the jackpot while you can step in after the break-even point and play with a positive EV.

And by the way, in Mega Joker the RTP is 96 percent even without the jackpot, and the odds of hitting the jackpot are not worse and almost always better than the odds of hitting the maximum win in a regular slot.

 

[PeenyBunslinger]

I've never had a max win on any Big Bass or even come close, I think I got an 800x once forever ago, that's as good as it got. Never seen a big fish land either. I can count on one hand the number of features that have had max upgrades, more than 3 feature symbols or made it all the way to the last multiplier. The vast, vast majority of features I've experienced have been utterly abysmal.

My last session was probably one of the worst ever and after taking forever to find a feature on Day at the Races, which went on to pay like 10x, I'm done with Big Bass.

I did alright on Zombie School and Muttley Crew, but I'm not really feeling Pragmatic anymore. I've experienced far too many worthless features and not nearly enough decent ones. Hacksaw and NoLimit are the only two providers where I feel like I even stand a chance.

 

[satchnz]

I did alright on Zombie School and Muttley Crew, but I'm not really feeling Pragmatic anymore. I've experienced far too many worthless features and not nearly enough decent ones. Hacksaw and NoLimit are the only two providers where I feel like I even stand a chance.

You are not alone there. I've moved away from Prags (except for when they are newly released) and firmly towards Hacksaw and the occasional NLC in amongst other providers.

 

[avfcalex23]

 

[avfcalex23]

You have been extremely lucky, and they are as bad as most of us make out

God help you when they start playing for you the same as they play for the rest of us…..

God help me. But for the time being, they’ll do

 

[avfcalex23]

£10 kwiff deposit up to £500 and a withdrawal all thanks to Pragmatics Big Bass

 

[PMKFRUITPRO]

You must be making fortunes mate. Keep it up and good luck.

 

[avfcalex23]

You must be making fortunes mate. Keep it up and good luck.

All within 10 minutes today. Whilst the irons hot…

 

[avfcalex23]

Cor blimey! The boy doesn’t miss.

Ok, we all bored now and can agree these slots aren’t as bad as everyone makes out?

Moving on

 

[PMKFRUITPRO]

Exactly £202.32 up after 26 mins of play and that’s what the feature paid??

 

[avfcalex23]

Exactly £202.32 up after 26 mins of play and that’s what the feature paid??

Yeah how odd - maybe it was my first spin ? I can’t remember but I hit the feature pretty quickly otherwise that’s just mad coincidence with the numbers.

Edit what am I talking about i understand what you mean now 26 minutes of play so yes just a crazy coincidence. Probably won’t see that again. Ever. Because my balance is 50 more than that so it’s not even Like it was my last spin. Spooky.

 

[sufferinsilence]

I'm happy that you can win on those games but I've rarely been lucky on any Pragmatic

The relentless dead spins and near misses on the scatters do my head in. And it doesn't seem to matter when you put the extra bet on. All that does is give you 1 scatter more often which then blocks line wins...

 

[toslotornot]

Cor blimey! The boy doesn’t miss.

Ok, we all bored now and can agree these slots aren’t as bad as everyone makes out?

Moving on

what about those days when those bass games don't play good are you losing about 300 quid on those days? I mean surely you have losing days but you only go on about the wins and promote these like pragmatic pays you

 

[avfcalex23]

what about those days when those bass games don't play good are you losing about 300 quid on those days? I mean surely you have losing days but you only go on about the wins and promote these like pragmatic pays you

lol. My losses are here for all to see in screenshots that suck thread - I’ve had multiple £0 bonuses on many slots. I don’t shy away from that. But I play the slots that I feel pay me the most, which are big bass. Of course I have losing days, but no I rarely lose ‘£300’ on any given day.

 

[2Slots]

@avfcalex23 I wanted to let you know that you must be the Big Bass chosen one. I'm convinced Big Bass only works after I've seen one of your posts!

I only really give them a go because they're so popular but i get nothing out of them. They're not the worst slot I've played but the base game doesn't exist for me and I get bored on any slot just spinning for bonus rounds. Plus I don't like collector type slots.

Anyway, in August I saw your Reel Repeat thread and gave it a go. I actually hit quite a few bonus rounds quickly but they were nothing special.

In September I was planning to take a break from slots and you'd just started a thread that I'd seen. I remembered that thread and had the idea to spin my last slots fiver on Big Bass as nothing ever happens and my last slot memory before the break will be annoying. So I opened up Splash as my last slot near midnight and around 30 spins in I hit a bonus round. I think great this will be annoying. It does the fishing thing and I get all of them except more fish. I think great it's even more annoying when you get the upgrades. The bonus round ends up going to level 10 and returned around 930x!

I think around November these threads were bumped. I opened up Big Bass 1000 and first spin I hit the 200x top symbol! I'd never got any 5OAK on any big bass and didn't even think they existed.

I've played a few times since and nothing. Even Big Bass Splash 1000 when it came out and nothing happened. Must be because they don't work without your approval!

 

[PMKFRUITPRO]

Big bass splash 1000 is absolutely brutal.

 

[2Slots]

Big bass splash 1000 is absolutely brutal.

I've must have spun big bass games on demo for more spins than I've actually played as they have auto turbo spin and i would run them in the background to see whats the big deal with them.

The originals seemed to average 1 in 100 to bonus and the ones with extra bet seem to be 1 in 100 or 1 in 200 if you dont use it. I agree Big Bass Splash 1000 was the worst one I reckon. Ran it a few times on demo and nothing happened. I only played it hoping for the "new game boost" thing but again nothing happened!

I just can't play slots that are so bonus based as we have no autospin in the uk.

 

[PMKFRUITPRO]

Download an auto clicker. That’s what I use for desktop gaming.

Phone play I just have to deal with it!!

 

[avfcalex23]

@avfcalex23 I wanted to let you know that you must be the Big Bass chosen one. I'm convinced Big Bass only works after I've seen one of your posts!

I only really give them a go because they're so popular but i get nothing out of them. They're not the worst slot I've played but the base game doesn't exist for me and I get bored on any slot just spinning for bonus rounds. Plus I don't like collector type slots.

Anyway, in August I saw your Reel Repeat thread and gave it a go. I actually hit quite a few bonus rounds quickly but they were nothing special.

In September I was planning to take a break from slots and you'd just started a thread that I'd seen. I remembered that thread and had the idea to spin my last slots fiver on Big Bass as nothing ever happens and my last slot memory before the break will be annoying. So I opened up Splash as my last slot near midnight and around 30 spins in I hit a bonus round. I think great this will be annoying. It does the fishing thing and I get all of them except more fish. I think great it's even more annoying when you get the upgrades. The bonus round ends up going to level 10 and returned around 930x!

I think around November these threads were bumped. I opened up Big Bass 1000 and first spin I hit the 200x top symbol! I'd never got any 5OAK on any big bass and didn't even think they existed.

I've played a few times since and nothing. Even Big Bass Splash 1000 when it came out and nothing happened. Must be because they don't work without your approval!

I’ll be sure to let you know when there’s a hot streak again

Haven’t had a huge win for a couple of weeks now but have had steady 100x features regularly - nothing worth posting about on here.

I would say stick to big bass splash 1000 as it’s fairly new still and the scatters land far more than bonanza 1000.

Bonanza and Christmas bonanza original, don’t chase those scatters as those two slots for medium to high volatility can go forever without bonusing. I usually quit either of those two if I don’t hit the feature after the first three teases because I just know how the slot is going to play out.

I disagree about the base game, yes it can go 20/30 spins without a win but then you’ll hit a 4 of a kind premium for 10x your stake a couple of spins in a row maybe with a gapper (at least this is my experience of these particular slots) and I seem to hit the fish bait cases 5 of a kind quite often too for 50x

Have far more luck and return in profit than spinning away on a hacksaw or NLC slot praying for that big 99,999x win that’ll never come. Even when I hit the bonuses on NLC or hacksaw the last three slots I’ve played (duck hunters, mental 2 and Sea men) have paid woefully, and that’s mostly at 60p stakes. When I see some videos in here I think there was one the other day 20p stakes and a £2000 base game win I just wish to god one day it would be me. Ironically, I’ve had 5,000x wins on big bass… when nobody else seems to have done.

Stick to whatever slots you enjoy most, and what slots you get the best return of profit for, that’s my game plan and it doesn’t fail me often

 

[toslotornot]

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[avfcalex23]

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We don’t have bonus buys in the UK and that’s in £ - so imagine it’s on a demo version

 

[toslotornot]

We don’t have bonus buys in the UK and that’s in £ - so imagine it’s on a demo version

demos dont have replays do they? what if it was played at a crypto site

 

[avfcalex23]

demos dont have replays do they? what if it was played at a crypto site

Do you know any crypto sites that have big bass series on them?

 

[toslotornot]

Do you know any crypto sites that have big bass series on them?

shuffle and all the sites that the bandit plays at

 

[satchnz]

Do you know any crypto sites that have big bass series on them?

Most crypto sites carry Prags/Real Kingdom slots.

 

[Casinos Hate Winners]

I've never had a max win on any Big Bass or even come close, I think I got an 800x once forever ago, that's as good as it got

That's not surprising. In the original version, the odds are 1 in 3.9M spins, in Big Bass 1000 it's worse than 1 in 6M. If you play long enough, you'll get lucky eventually, but this is definitely not the best slot for chasing big multipliers.

 

[Casinos Hate Winners]

Do you know any crypto sites that have big bass series on them?

You should have pretty strong reasons not to play on UKGC licensed sites and a clear understanding of the risks associated with withdrawals.

 

[satchnz]

You should have pretty strong reasons not to play on UKGC licensed sites and a clear understanding of the risks associated with withdrawals.

I always say playing crypto adds another layer of gambling (when it comes to withdrawals) lol. Plus there are the insane crypto fluctuations!

 

[lockinlove]

Id like to see someone do a challenge of 94% rtp vs 96.5% rtp.

They are clearly different models. You will get 2 scatter teases about 10x more often on the lowered version and the base game absolutely brutal. They are near unplayable.

 

[Casinos Hate Winners]

Id like to see someone do a challenge of 94% rtp vs 96.5% rtp.

They are clearly different models. You will get 2 scatter teases about 10x more often on the lowered version and the base game absolutely brutal. They are near unplayable.

Check out Harrigan & Dixon (2009): 'PAR Sheets, probabilities, and slot machine play: Implications for problem and non-problem gambling' - they actually analyze different slot versions in detail. Truth is, nearly every gambling myth has been studied academically, but Google search is flooded with affiliate spam sites copying each other instead of citing actual research.

 

[avfcalex23]

That's not surprising. In the original version, the odds are 1 in 3.9M spins, in Big Bass 1000 it's worse than 1 in 6M. If you play long enough, you'll get lucky eventually, but this is definitely not the best slot for chasing big multipliers.

I’ve had three max wins in the last 6 months alone lol

 

[avfcalex23]

Check out Harrigan & Dixon (2009): 'PAR Sheets, probabilities, and slot machine play: Implications for problem and non-problem gambling' - they actually analyze different slot versions in detail. Truth is, nearly every gambling myth has been studied academically, but Google search is flooded with affiliate spam sites copying each other instead of citing actual research.

Really interesting read, but stuff i and I’m sure every gambler on this forum already knows.

There is no skill in slotting, but I sure as hell am confident some slots are not ‘random’. On the pragmatic big bass slots I play, it is almost predictable time after time when a feature is going to land and what it’s going to pay you. These slots are far from random and display similar behaviour across the board.

I do believe (page 19 of that PAR) that experienced gamblers can begin to predict with confidence when a slot is going to pay out.

I have NEVER gone more than 50 spins without a base game win on a big bass slot online, but will often run through 40+ spins without a win. I will then hit a flurry of medium wins in a row - this happens OFTEN. These slots are not random.

We all know the risks, but we choose to play. Some for fun, others through problem gambling. Some believe they can profit from gambling and may gamble as almost an ‘occupation’ - obviously not advised.

 

[Casinos Hate Winners]

Check out Harrigan & Dixon (2009): 'PAR Sheets, probabilities, and slot machine play: Implications for problem and non-problem gambling' - they actually analyze different slot versions in detail. Truth is, nearly every gambling myth has been studied academically, but Google search is flooded with affiliate spam sites copying each other instead of citing actual research.

Got replays? Never seen what max win looks like in this slot

 

[Casinos Hate Winners]

I have NEVER gone more than 50 spins without a base game win on a big bass slot online, but will often run through 40+ spins without a win. I will then hit a flurry of medium wins in a row - this happens OFTEN. These slots are not random.

Why not monetize this or document the success story? I'm sure over the long run you'll be down

 

[dunover]

Got replays? Never seen what max win looks like in this slot

Why are you quoting your own posts?

Your activity is starting to look a bit

 

[toslotornot]

Really interesting read, but stuff i and I’m sure every gambler on this forum already knows.

There is no skill in slotting, but I sure as hell am confident some slots are not ‘random’. On the pragmatic big bass slots I play, it is almost predictable time after time when a feature is going to land and what it’s going to pay you. These slots are far from random and display similar behaviour across the board.

I do believe (page 19 of that PAR) that experienced gamblers can begin to predict with confidence when a slot is going to pay out.

I have NEVER gone more than 50 spins without a base game win on a big bass slot online, but will often run through 40+ spins without a win. I will then hit a flurry of medium wins in a row - this happens OFTEN. These slots are not random.

We all know the risks, but we choose to play. Some for fun, others through problem gambling. Some believe they can profit from gambling and may gamble as almost an ‘occupation’ - obviously not advised.

how do you know how many spins you had done about not doing more than 50 without a win, are you writing each spin result down, are you checking game history at end of a session or during session. if you play big bass slots long enough you will get 50 plus dead spins in a row at some point and we know you play thousands of spins a day. I had 45 dead spins in a row last year on Bigger Bass Splash and I play probably less than 3% of how much you play them. If you take out those max wins that you had you would now be in the red by many many many thousands and you wouldn't be praising pragmatic bass slots.

 

[Casinos Hate Winners]

Why are you quoting your own posts?

Your activity is starting to look a bit

I was trying to edit it and somehow it created two posts