playthrough ??

[hobobiker]

please correct me if im wrong on this cos my maths are crap.

i was just about to take up the 32 club rouge bonus of 150+ match, when i
(for the first time) looked at the playthrough, it say 15X D & Bonus ...so i make that a 4500 wager on a deposit of 150 + 150 bonus .

this is the bit where i might be wrong .........if i start with 300 , and achive a wager of 4500 (15X) would that mean i have achived a %rtp of 94%.

Now i havent had a 94% return at 32 for many many months ....think my best this year is 91% ...

so the reality of hitting 94% on one deposit ? ?

i dont think the slots on average for zillions of players per month even average 94% do they?

are my sums wrong or is the bonus deal not really an additional benefit but just a promise .

 

[WAYLANDER]

It all depends on what figure you end up on after the wagering
You are correct that the wagering requirement is 4500 ( 15 x dep + bonus ) but the % return is variable
If you finish on 300 then you have achieved a 100% return
345 is a 101% return , 255 is a 99% return and so on ...

WAYLANDER

 

[hobobiker]

It all depends on what figure you end up on after the wagering
You are correct that the wagering requirement is 4500 ( 15 x dep + bonus ) but the % return is variable
If you finish on 300 then you have achieved a 100% return
345 is a 101% return , 255 is a 99% return and so on ...

WAYLANDER

so a 0 balance at the end of a 4500 wager would be a 94% return?
which is considered a very good return by the casino.

well it would do .....!

 

[hobobiker]

It all depends on what figure you end up on after the wagering
You are correct that the wagering requirement is 4500 ( 15 x dep + bonus ) but the % return is variable
If you finish on 300 then you have achieved a 100% return
345 is a 101% return , 255 is a 99% return and so on ...

WAYLANDER

if you finish with 300 then would you not have wagered up to 4800 or 16X dep & bonus at some point?

 

[KasinoKing]

are my sums wrong or is the bonus deal not really an additional benefit but just a promise .

Not quite sure what you meant by that - it's not free-money, obviously.

Personally I see it as a great benefit.
Suppose you play only 1-credit spins on slots with an average return of 95%. Now I know you personally never get anywhere near that, but let's just pretend for a moment.

You deposit 150 & get 150 bonus, so start with 300. WR is (D+B)x15 = 4,500.
Wager 4,500 x 5% loss = 225 credits lost. So you are left with 75 credits, which are cashable.
You have had 4500 spins and they cost you 75 credits.

You deposit 150 without a bonus. After 3,000 spins your money runs out.
So you will have had 3000 spins which cost you 150 credits. (i.e. 1500 spins per 75 credits).

Clearly you are getting 3 times more spins per deposited credit by taking the bonus!

You also have the advantage that if your balance drops by over 150, you are not bust yet and (if a miracle happened & your luck changed) you have a chance of winning all your losses back!


Here's a couple of extracts from my 32Red January log, just for interest.
It was a $250 deposit + $250 bonus, WR $7,500.
At the end of the month I cashed out $150 profit, which is fricking annoying cos I was over $600 up approaching half way through WR (on the game right after WorldCup Mania).

First; WorldCup; Wagered $118, made +$147 = 224% return.
Later; Dolphin Tale; Wagered $136, lost $136 = 31.6% return.

Swings & rounabouts...

 

[hobobiker]

Not quite sure what you meant by that - it's not free-money, obviously.

Personally I see it as a great benefit.
Suppose you play only 1-credit spins on slots with an average return of 95%. Now I know you personally never get anywhere near that, but let's just pretend for a moment....

er yes lets pretend???? its the only way of getting a a 95% return thats for sure. .... why pretend at 95% .... lets pretend its a 500% return ...may as well its only pretend.

Swings & rounabouts...

yup sure is...only problem is that i seem to be nailed to the b*****rd roundabout at this point in time........ so cant get to the swings.

 

[WAYLANDER]

You seem a little confused

hobobiker
You seem a little confused as to how to work out % returns , i shall try to explain it for you ...

What you start with has no relevance at all to the % return
You need to look at how much you have wagered and then your final balance in relation to your starting balance to work out the % return
In this case the wagering is 4500 so to make things simple we will work in whole %'s ,
1% = 45
If you finish on the same starting balance you have achieved a 100% return , you have wagered 4500 and got 4500 back
Every 45 above your starting balance is an extra 1% , so 101%
Every 45 below your starting balance is a loss of 1% , so 99%


WAYLANDER

 

[gerilege]

so a 0 balance at the end of a 4500 wager would be a 94% return?
which is considered a very good return by the casino.

well it would do .....!

It would be 4200/4500 = 93.33% (Total wagered = 4500, total won = -300, so returned 4200. Payout% = returned/wagered)

A GBP100 balance would be a 4300/4500 = 95.55% (Total wagered = 4500, total won = -200, so returned 4300.

And so on...

 

[vinylweatherman]

You are all assuming you have to play SLOTS.

However, this is 32Red, and they do not weight games. The ONLY restriction is on "even money" bets. Examples of these would be betting on Red, Black, Odds, Evens at Roulette (or covering 50% in another manner). Progressive games also do not count.

If the WR were made on Blackjack (although I believe they have a 2 chip min, not 1) there is very much a player advantage in the long term.

Even for slots, 15x D + B, on a 100% bonus, is simply the MGS EZBonus "standard" of 30x on slots.

In addition, if the wagering is done by a Casinomeister member (who has registered), and the average bet is 10p or more, you have to factor into the calculation the potential Slotmeister prize, and its own WR the following month

 

[KasinoKing]

If the WR were made on Blackjack (although I believe they have a 2 chip min, not 1) there is very much a player advantage in the long term.

Well maybe... or maybe not.
If you just played BlackJack every month to squeeze what you can out of the bonus, I'm pretty sure you would soon be invited to leave Club Rouge...

Though I have always been fully aware of their terms, I always play slots with my bonuses there... I like them to think I'm giving them a chance!

 

[Pinababy69]

Not to derail....but KK, I near spit out my coffee reading your spreadsheet for Dolphin Tale. And I quote - How deep is this shit?

 

[XOXOXOXOXOX]

Clearly you are getting 3 times more spins per deposited credit by taking the bonus!

You also have the advantage that if your balance drops by over 150, you are not bust yet and (if a miracle happened & your luck changed) you have a chance of winning all your losses back!

Usually quite an opposite here, my balance goes up first and then I bust while finishing play thru. Am I doing something wrong?

Also, any advantages of non-cashable bonuses? Or they are totally piece of sh*t ??

 

[gloria460]

You deposit 150 & get 150 bonus, so start with 300. WR is (D+B)x15 = 4,500.
Wager 4,500 x 5% loss = 225 credits lost. So you are left with 75 credits, which are cashable.
You have had 4500 spins and they cost you 75 credits

Thank you so much for explaining this...I thought that I had to wager that much...geez I lost back a bunch of money thinking I had to wager that amount and not the spins... so now off to try again.

I was up 700 on a 25D +25bonus and played it all back...I know now that I met the wagering requirements and could have cashed out..this was after an hour of playing that I continued to play.

geez

 

[XOXOXOXOXOX]

Thank you so much for explaining this...I thought that I had to wager that much...geez I lost back a bunch of money thinking I had to wager that amount and not the spins... so now off to try again.

I was up 700 on a 25D +25bonus and played it all back...I know now that I met the wagering requirements and could have cashed out..this was after an hour of playing that I continued to play.

geez

You do have to wager that amount and not the spins.

 

[hobobiker]

hobobiker
You seem a little confused as to how to work out % returns , i shall try to explain it for you ...

What you start with has no relevance at all to the % return

ok got that bit

If you finish on the same starting balance you have achieved a 100% return , you have wagered 4500 and got 4500 back
Every 45 above your starting balance is an extra 1% , so 101%
Every 45 below your starting balance is a loss of 1% , so 99%

thanks for explaining that very clearly ...so what i "start" with or in other words my "starting balance" has no releveance to the % return .........unless i want to calculate my % return in which case i use my starting balance which of course has no relevance to my % return.

thanks for that explnation , i was obviously getting confused in using what i started with to make the % return calculation , when i now see its not what balance i start with i have to use its my "starting balance " , i was putting the "start" after balance when it should have been in front ...hence "starting balance" huh ...no wonder my % returns figures are all mixed up eh.

 

[WAYLANDER]

ok got that bit



thanks for explaining that very clearly ...so what i "start" with or in other words my "starting balance" has no releveance to the % return .........unless i want to calculate my % return in which case i use my starting balance which of course has no relevance to my % return.

thanks for that explnation , i was obviously getting confused in using what i started with to make the % return calculation , when i now see its not what balance i start with i have to use its my "starting balance " , i was putting the "start" after balance when it should have been in front ...hence "starting balance" huh ...no wonder my % returns figures are all mixed up eh.

What this means is that it doesn't matter if the starting balance is 1 or a 1000 !!

BUT you are clearly a sarcastic neanderthal who doesn't deserve anybody's help , and should master chanting the 12 x table before trying to get your brain around %'s !!

WAYLANDER

 

[hobobiker]

BUT you are clearly a sarcastic neanderthal who doesn't deserve anybody's help ,WAYLANDER

thats weird....do you know me?

 

[winbig]

@ KK....I love your comments in those spreadsheets

 

[hobobiker]

well i got drawn in by the bonuses, tried all the advice ....lowrollin , highrollin, norollin, blowrollin, leather pants, spandex, birthday suit, etc etc etc...

as you can see i had as much chance of making the playthrough terms as i would have trying to make a platt out of my own piss. (which i have never tried by the way .....so maybe its possible)

by the way Waylander , could you please tell me my total wager if the return was 86% ....... bet you cant if you dont know what i started with .... so there.

the number is 42 .......thats all there is.

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[love2winalot]

Hiya. Also, not to dereal the thread, but i have my dumbass question of the year. I have not taken any Bonus money in years, and have forgotten.

Deposit $500, get $300 free. as example.

If i do not care about the bonus money, and want to just use the $300 to support my $500, and do not even play any of the required games to meet playthru requirments, is the following true or false?

"I can play Roulette with $800. $500 mine, $300 bonus. I turn the total into $2800. I CAN withdraw the $2000 profit i made, as long as i never try to take out the $300 they gave me. T or F?

 

[spearmaster]

BUT you are clearly a sarcastic neanderthal who doesn't deserve anybody's help , and should master chanting the 12 x table before trying to get your brain around %'s !!

And what's this about?

If it was meant in jest, it was pretty poor.

If it wasn't meant in jest - don't do it again.

 

[Jasminebed]

Hiya. Also, not to dereal the thread, but i have my dumbass question of the year. I have not taken any Bonus money in years, and have forgotten.

Deposit $500, get $300 free. as example.

If i do not care about the bonus money, and want to just use the $300 to support my $500, and do not even play any of the required games to meet playthru requirments, is the following true or false?

"I can play Roulette with $800. $500 mine, $300 bonus. I turn the total into $2800. I CAN withdraw the $2000 profit i made, as long as i never try to take out the $300 they gave me. T or F?

Different casinos have different Terms and Conditions, and sometime different Terms and Conditions from promotion to promotion. The people to ask are Casino Support...and ask in writing, either via live chat or by email, so you have a copy of their answers. If you don't understand their answers, or don't think they are correct as you interpret the Terms and Conditions, ask some more, and block and copy from the T&C's to clarify your position. CS are sometimes incorrect, and it may be difficult to have management support a CSR's error if it is against their policy.

Sometimes all games except slots may be disallowed, or games are not restricted, but will not count towards your playthrough. If you are found to be using a bonus "not in the spirit it is meant" you may find your winnings nullified.

Even after completing a playthrough requirement, you may have to abide by the promotions terms until you zero out or withdraw your winnings (This is true at Inetbet at least).

And remember, offers that sound too good to be true usually are, or at least not what they may appear to be on the surface.

 

[WAYLANDER]

And what's this about?

If it was meant in jest, it was pretty poor.

If it wasn't meant in jest - don't do it again.

A bit harsh i agree...

But where i come from if people take time out from their day to try and help you , and then you take the p**s out of them they usually get wound up.


WAYLANDER

 

[KasinoKing]

Not to derail....but KK, I near spit out my coffee reading your spreadsheet for Dolphin Tale. And I quote - How deep is this shit?

@ KK....I love your comments in those spreadsheets

That's just what comes out of my head as I go along. I'm either giving the slot some serious abuse for being so tight, or myself some serious abuse for being such a dumb-ass by getting to impatient and not sticking to my 'plan', or playing a slot I know full well is shite...!
There's nearly always loads of 'colourful' words on my spreadsheets - that's the only thing I edit out when I post them!

Hiya. Also, not to dereal the thread, but i have my dumbass question of the year. I have not taken any Bonus money in years, and have forgotten.

Deposit $500, get $300 free. as example.

If i do not care about the bonus money, and want to just use the $300 to support my $500, and do not even play any of the required games to meet playthru requirments, is the following true or false?

"I can play Roulette with $800. $500 mine, $300 bonus. I turn the total into $2800. I CAN withdraw the $2000 profit i made, as long as i never try to take out the $300 they gave me. T or F?

In the vast majority of casinos: FALSE!

As Jasmine said, there are a few (I mean, like a handful) of places where you can forfeit the bonus & withdraw, but at most you are tied in to completing the WR.

KK

 

[hobobiker]

And what's this about?

If it was meant in jest, it was pretty poor.

If it wasn't meant in jest - don't do it again.

i think it was in jest, but its true anyhow ... and i was being sarcastic.