Online gambling has become a disgrace for UK players

[SlotGrinder]

I remember having a discussion here on CM many years ago with Nifty, about RTP %'s.

As I recall, he seemed to be arguing that a couple percentages would not make a significant difference in player experience, so that it shouldn't matter to players whether the RTP is 99% or 93%. I would get so frustrated with his obstinance, but yeah, it makes a BIG difference in player experience.

It definitely does
It;s not a "couple of percent" because it is relative, for example a 96% rtp means you lose 4% of your wager per spin on average whereas a 94% rtp means you lose 6% of your wager - that is a 50% increase!
If you went to into your local shop and everything had suddenly increased by 50% in price then you would walk straight out again!

99% to 93% will make you lose your money 8x as quickly! that guy is talking crap lol
Depending on where specifically the rtp is lost in the game will make a difference to how the experience is but I don't see how they could possibly work out so "it wouldn't make a significant difference to player experience". Either the small wins are less common and smalleror the big wins are smaller and the bonuses less frequent. Either way it becomes quickly noticeable

There was an experiment where players had to choose from 2 supposedly normal decks of cards, a red deck and a blue deck. One deck was ever so slightly weighted towards containing better cards but only very slightly. Pretty quickly players would favour the "better" deck even though they couldn't pinpoint why. They could just "feel it". So I don't think it is an illusion when you hear so many people saying the slots feel worse now, since they really ARE! and by a significant amount too

 

[L&L-Jan]

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Besides earlier affordability checks that will start affecting way more players, were also looking at 5 second spins from 17 jan 2025.

 

[Mr Wild]

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Besides earlier affordability checks that will start affecting way more players, were also looking at 5 second spins from 17 jan 2025.

5s spins is not for slot games, but roulette and others.

 

[jasonuk]

Have spun this out to a separate thread given it's importance.

5s spins is not for slot games, but roulette and others.

Agreed, given the pre-text "It will extend requirements that already apply to slots to other online products" it's relating to non-slot products.

 

[Provoxv]

The difference in RTP might seem small at first glance, but as you've pointed out, it adds up significantly over time. Losing 4% vs. 6% per spin can really change the whole gaming experience. Personally, I've noticed that the overall feel of the games has changed. It's not just the RTP, but the frequency and size of wins that make a huge difference. I've been playing

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, and the transparency there is refreshing. It feels more like a real casino experience and less like I'm being cheated by algorithms. I had a positive experience with an online casino recently where they offered great bonuses and a variety of games. The live dealer games were particularly engaging and gave me a sense of fairness. Unlike some slot games, I could see the action unfold in real time, which added to my confidence in the platform.

 

[dunover]

The difference in RTP might seem small at first glance, but as you've pointed out, it adds up significantly over time. Losing 4% vs. 6% per spin can really change the whole gaming experience. Personally, I've noticed that the overall feel of the games has changed. It's not just the RTP, but the frequency and size of wins that make a huge difference. I've been playing

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, and the transparency there is refreshing. It feels more like a real casino experience and less like I'm being cheated by algorithms. I had a positive experience with an online casino recently where they offered great bonuses and a variety of games. The live dealer games were particularly engaging and gave me a sense of fairness. Unlike some slot games, I could see the action unfold in real time, which added to my confidence in the platform.

Alas we won't be 'particularly engaging' here with spammers.

Do one, your AI bot writer needs a higher IQ.

 

[snorky510238]

I am that cynical that I don’t even believe the live dealers are actually “live”. There is no proof that they are. Online gambling is full of skullduggery and cheating. I’ve been there got the T-shirt and had it spun dry whst I was still wearing the bastard!

I know I keep banging the same drum but it’s only in the hope that one day, the lid gets blown off completely and I can say, I tried to tell you. It’s corrupt, dirty, cheating filth and the more providers are forced to gimp rtp’s the more obvious it becomes.

 

[YouTubeSlots]

I am that cynical that I don’t even believe the live dealers are actually “live”. There is no proof that they are. Online gambling is full of skullduggery and cheating. I’ve been there got the T-shirt and had spun dry while I was still wearing it.

I know I keep banging the same drum but it’s only in the hope that one day, the lid gets blown off completely and I can say, I tried to tell you. It’s corrupt, dirty, cheating filth and the more providers are forced to gimp rtp’s the more obvious it becomes.

Although i may not agree that the Live dealers are not Live, I do believe one day the industry will be exposed for not being as clean and as RANDOM as it claims to be. But hey, By then they will have already robbed billions of gamblers. I just hope one day it does get exposed but i doubt it will.

We need a documentary called (RNG Exposed) Ross Kemp could go to Malta to check if its all up to code and truly random like they claim.

"And today I'm here in Malta. To find out if RANDOM is really random" Ross Kemp.

I would love to watch that!

 

[jasonuk]

I am that cynical that I don’t even believe the live dealers are actually “live”. There is no proof that they are. Online gambling is full of skullduggery and cheating. I’ve been there got the T-shirt and had spun dry while I was still wearing it.

I know I keep banging the same drum but it’s only in the hope that one day, the lid gets blown off completely and I can say, I tried to tell you. It’s corrupt, dirty, cheating filth and the more providers are forced to gimp rtp’s the more obvious it becomes.

Where there is an actual live host, there are lots of things that can be done to verify if it is live (and in the early days, baccarat tables would have things like a news channel in the background to verify that it was actually live) - although some of the smaller providers or automated tables, there is no such guarantee even to this day.

I suspect that cynicism will increase when Evolution start doing augumented reality tables (avatar-based hosts), because you start to wonder what else they can fake. There are certain categories of games, and certain providers, that I already wouldn't trust as far as I can throw them - some of them are clearly defying the laws of physics.

Although if it was pre-recorded, some mug playing Prag live is going to get dealt from two shoes in the near future I'm still astounded that happened...

 

[kidgloves]

Surely casino's are making more money these days with the profiles of slots? The leaning towards high variance is only a good thing as a minority of players hit big and a majority of players feed the casino coffers with their 1 or 2 bonuses for naff all over a decent number of spins.
I can't quite believe that I can play Big Bass Bonanza in my local AGC for a similar RTP to some of the lower settings online.

 

[slot_zombie]

Surely casino's are making more money these days with the profiles of slots? The leaning towards high variance is only a good thing as a minority of players hit big and a majority of players feed the casino coffers with their 1 or 2 bonuses for naff all over a decent number of spins.
I can't quite believe that I can play Big Bass Bonanza in my local AGC for a similar RTP to some of the lower settings online.

In a way the casinos are probably also gambling a little bit, for example ripping a new ringpiece for players on Tombstone RIP month in, month out and hoping they are not the one in which that rare 300000x lands.

But I agree they are certainly making more money overall, the profiles of most modern games are disgusting.

 

[Kroffe]

In a way the casinos are probably also gambling a little bit, for example ripping a new ringpiece for players on Tombstone RIP month in, month out and hoping they are not the one in which that rare 300000x lands.

But I agree they are certainly making more money overall, the profiles of most modern games are disgusting.

Do NLC slots also have a low-ish cap on the betsize similar to how some casinos do with Doa2?
Casinos can pretty much decide the risk by limiting how much people can bet on the super high volatile slots.
Maybe its not necessary with NLC slots considering they go so hard on the bonus buy angle, and its not exactly cheap to buy bonuses on NLC slots assuming you go for the super bonus.

 

[satchnz]

Do NLC slots also have a low-ish cap on the betsize similar to how some casinos do with Doa2?
Casinos can pretty much decide the risk by limiting how much people can bet on the super high volatile slots.
Maybe its not necessary with NLC slots considering they go so hard on the bonus buy angle, and its not exactly cheap to buy bonuses on NLC slots assuming you go for the super bonus.

Your post got me interested in what the max bet was for Tombstone RIP at two UK casinos I still frequent on occasion. Both carry NLC slots but neither have Tombstone RIP…

 

[Kroffe]

Your post got me interested in what the max bet was for Tombstone RIP at two UK casinos I still frequent on occasion. Both carry NLC slots but neither have Tombstone RIP…

Just checked on Videoslots, Tombstone rip has max bet of 6sek for me, for comparison Vera&John has max bet set to 8sek.
Guessing it would be 60p and 80p for a UK customer.
Videoslots Doa2 the max bet is 18sek and on Vera&John its 90sek.

Somewhat relevant is that Vera&John also uses the highest rtp models for all providers, not only can you bet more but you probably have a higher chance of actually hitting the max win.
Not that you will be seeing me doing 90sek spins anytime soon.

 

[jasonuk]

Despite all the attempted changes in the terminology (*cough* max win *cough*), liability still rules the roost - so 300000x on a £250k liability would be 83p per spin.

I think Stars was doing a million at one point, not sure if that's still the case today.

 

[SlotsGuy]

These decisions which are effecting not just the enjoyment of online gambling but anything enjoyable at all is coming much higher than independent Governments, call me a conspiracy theorist (I don't care) but there's enough evidence to know the entire earth is ruled by a very evil One World Government and presidents/prime minsters are nothing more than puppets following orders.

Every aspect of life from smoking, drinking, meat, travelling, driving, gambling, nightclubs, music, sugar drinks, raves/concerts and our general freedoms is being destroyed by these satanic powers.

If you think online gambling is getting bad, towards the end of this year they're making massive radical changes to high-street arcades and bingo halls also. We then have the dreaded cashless society getting implemented as we speak and digital ID soon to be launched and once that happens say goodbye to your freedoms.

Life is changing massively, we're firmly in George Orwell's 1984. Agenda 2030 / The Great Reset.

The best thing is simply DO NOT COMPLY - If an online casino persists with asking for financial documents/wage slips/tax documents/savings etc simply say no and close the account.

 

[slot_zombie]

What are they doing to the arcades? The latest I saw is that they were getting better treatment and being allowed more £500 machines.

 

[Jono777]

What are they doing to the arcades? The latest I saw is that they were getting better treatment and being allowed more £500 machines.

Hoovering the carpets, reintroducing overflowing ash trays, bringing in more Bar-X for the over 80's and allowing you 5 minutes now when you lose all your dosh instead of ejecting you instantly.

 

[SlotsGuy]

What are they doing to the arcades? The latest I saw is that they were getting better treatment and being allowed more £500 machines.

Arcades will be restricted further and need to reduce how many £500 machines they can have, by the start of next year at least half of the £500 machines will be removed and replaced by £100 jackpot machines. I'm hearing Gamstop will expand it's reach and you'll need to be checked when entering any casino/arcade/bookies before you can place a bet.

Machines will become cashless and therefore you'll need to use a debit card (until CBDC is introduced) to play and each player will have a daily limit, winnings will be refunded at the machine back to your card. Players will only be allowed to gamble for a certain amount of time, opening hours will no longer be 24 hours.

There's a dark agenda happening to destroy all night-time leisure/shopping activities, it goes very deep which I won't go into but look carefully at pub opening times, raves (now moving to daytime raves), supermarkets no longer 24/7, local councils promoting pubs to close at 9pm such as London. To cut it short the Government want to control you and make sure you're nicely tucked up in bed by 10pm and of course to cut down with police resources/anti-social behaviour. They want a population of miserable, depressed little slaves with nothing to look forward to with a daily dose of big pharma anti-depressants & chemical laden foods.

 

[slot_zombie]

Gotta say that's a pretty bleak picture.

It's also contrary to the recently published guidance issued by the Govt. which states they are moving to a 2:1 B3 to Cat C ratio of machines. ie a more liberal regime.

Can't find any sources at all to back up the expansion of gamstop or time limits.

 

[SlotsGuy]

Gotta say that's a pretty bleak picture.

It's also contrary to the recently published guidance issued by the Govt. which states they are moving to a 2:1 B3 to Cat C ratio of machines. ie a more liberal regime.

Can't find any sources at all to back up the expansion of gamstop or time limits.

I'm hoping you are able to see where things are going generally in life, although this information has not been made fully public just yet... it's going to happen, step by step... they don't tend to make huge changes within a short time, they don't want to awaken the masses to the dark agenda they have planned.

Either way CBDC when introduced (a cashless society) the Government will have full control over your finances and how you spend the money. Every digital pound will need to be approved by the Government, alongside your human social credit score (like China) and digital identity/15 minute cities. Under the European Central Bank (ECB) have proposed the Digital Euro and will have the following features:

* Users be allowed to spend no more than 50 Euro per transaction
* Users have a maximum monthly spending limited of 1,000 euros
* Users have a limit of 50 transactions per month
* Users have a limit of digital euro holdings max 3,000 euros
* Be programmable, so the Governments or central banks can impose spending restrictions
* Can only be spent at government-approved merchants
* Be programmed to expire within a certain amount of time
* Not have anonymity as a viable option

They are testing this now and will roll out fully by 2026.

For now boycott cashless businesses and use cash as much as you can.

You have more power than you think...don't obey.

 

[paul7388]

I'm hoping you are able to see where things are going generally in life, although this information has not been made fully public just yet... it's going to happen, step by step... they don't tend to make huge changes within a short time, they don't want to awaken the masses to the dark agenda they have planned.

Either way CBDC when introduced (a cashless society) the Government will have full control over your finances and how you spend the money. Every digital pound will need to be approved by the Government, alongside your human social credit score (like China) and digital identity/15 minute cities. Under the European Central Bank (ECB) have proposed the Digital Euro and will have the following features:

* Users be allowed to spend no more than 50 Euro per transaction
* Users have a maximum monthly spending limited of 1,000 euros
* Users have a limit of 50 transactions per month
* Users have a limit of digital euro holdings max 3,000 euros
* Be programmable, so the Governments or central banks can impose spending restrictions
* Can only be spent at government-approved merchants
* Be programmed to expire within a certain amount of time
* Not have anonymity as a viable option

They are testing this now and will roll out fully by 2026.

For now boycott cashless businesses and use cash as much as you can.

You have more power than you think...don't obey.

I am seriously hoping you are just at the wind up and you truly do not believe everything you have posted today.

 

[SlotsGuy]

I am seriously hoping you are just at the wind up and you truly do not believe everything you have posted today.

Paul, I don't want you to believe anything I'm saying. I want you to have an open minded and do your own independent research away from the mainstream news, 1st page of Google etc.

 

[paul7388]

Paul, I don't want you to believe anything I'm saying. I want you to have an open minded and do your own independent research away from the mainstream news, 1st page of Google etc.

No offence but i do not need to.

You seriously saying you believe in 2 years time throughout Europe no one can spend more than 50 euros at a time and no more than a 1000 a month.

So by that means no one could buy a car, a house ,a phone ,a TV , or Virtually anything.

No going to a restaurant for a fancy meal or going a Holiday.

So guessing there would be no need to control spending as every business would be bankrupt and closed so nothing to spend on anyway.

And you truly believe that will happen in 2 years lol.

 

[dealer wins]

These decisions which are effecting not just the enjoyment of online gambling but anything enjoyable at all is coming much higher than independent Governments, call me a conspiracy theorist (I don't care) but there's enough evidence to know the entire earth is ruled by a very evil One World Government and presidents/prime minsters are nothing more than puppets following orders.

Every aspect of life from smoking, drinking, meat, travelling, driving, gambling, nightclubs, music, sugar drinks, raves/concerts and our general freedoms is being destroyed by these satanic powers.

If you think online gambling is getting bad, towards the end of this year they're making massive radical changes to high-street arcades and bingo halls also. We then have the dreaded cashless society getting implemented as we speak and digital ID soon to be launched and once that happens say goodbye to your freedoms.

Life is changing massively, we're firmly in George Orwell's 1984. Agenda 2030 / The Great Reset.

The best thing is simply DO NOT COMPLY - If an online casino persists with asking for financial documents/wage slips/tax documents/savings etc simply say no and close the account.

Amen brother 100% the world is getting butt fucked by the WEF, UN WHO who are cobtrolling our governments.

Apart from all the above, they are actively trying to poison and kill us off!

And the bastards wont remove the max bet button right next to the spin button either!

 

[SlotsGuy]

Amen brother 100% the world is getting butt fucked by the WEF, UN WHO who are cobtrolling our governments.

Apart from all the above, they are actively trying to poison and kill us off!

And the bastards wont remove the max bet button right next to the spin button either!

Ahh! Yeah the depopulation agenda, the excess deaths we're witnessing right now something I'll touch on another time lol. I'm sure Agent Smith will pop up shortly.

 

[SlotsGuy]

No offence but i do not need to.

You seriously saying you believe in 2 years time throughout Europe no one can spend more than 50 euros at a time and no more than a 1000 a month.

So by that means no one could buy a car, a house ,a phone ,a TV , or Virtually anything.

No going to a restaurant for a fancy meal or going a Holiday.

So guessing there would be no need to control spending as every business would be bankrupt and closed so nothing to spend on anyway.

And you truly believe that will happen in 2 years lol.

"You will OWN NOTHING & be happy" brought to you by the WEF.

Yeah sorry under Agenda 2030 pubs, bingo halls, independent restaurants, small businesses, independent farmers, clubs etc are not part of the plan. So yeah, I mean look at the high streets now these locations are gradually getting turned into 15 minute communities.

You'll be able to get a TV, a toaster, a washing machine etc but on finance and will need to be returned, remember "You'll own nothing and be happy". High Street banks today will be turned into landlords and will take over private property.

Everything must be in place by 2030. You'll begin to see major things happen from July of this year which will change everything, dark days are truly amongst us. But luckily people are waking up but my goodness have we got a fight on our hands. There's always light at the end of the tunnel, but things have to get bad before the positives can begin to happen.

 

[SlotsGuy]

Amen brother 100% the world is getting butt fucked by the WEF, UN WHO who are cobtrolling our governments.

Apart from all the above, they are actively trying to poison and kill us off!

And the bastards wont remove the max bet button right next to the spin button either!

Talking about the max bet button, I need to cut down on my stakes... going through a major losing streak currently lol.

40p or less stakes for me at the moment

 

[slot_zombie]

You'll be able to get a TV, a toaster, a washing machine etc but on finance and will need to be returned, remember "You'll own nothing and be happy". High Street banks today will be turned into landlords and will take over private property.

Great, that means the bastards will be on the hook and will need to accept a return for a new one when the washing machine "magically" goes wrong just outside the warranty period.

Sorry for the short response, but Rishi Sunak has implanted a microchip in my brain, and it only allows me 14.5 minutes of internet usage per day before the electric shocks begin.

 

[snorky510238]

Talking about the max bet button, I need to cut down on my stakes

Not the only thing you need to cut down on.

 

[SlotsGuy]

Not the only thing you need to cut down on.

Could I ask what Toothpaste you use and do you drink tap water?

I'm a little concerned that the Fluoride ingredient, just in case you wasn't aware it's an extremely neurotoxic chemical added to drinking water, toothpaste, mouthwash and even some bottled waters. It basically interrupts the basic function of nerve cells in the brain, causing docile submissive behaviour and IQ devastation. Don't you worry about me young man, you look after yaself. xx

 

[dunover]

Could I ask what Toothpaste you use and do you drink tap water?

I'm a little concerned that the Fluoride ingredient, just in case you wasn't aware it's an extremely neurotoxic chemical added to drinking water, toothpaste, mouthwash and even some bottled waters. It basically interrupts the basic function of nerve cells in the brain, causing docile submissive behaviour and IQ devastation. Don't you worry about me young man, you look after yaself. xx

I wondered why the members of Mensa all had rotten teeth.

 

[vegasfem]

US player here. I've played brick and mortar casinos for 30 + yrs and online just about 10. Live casinos are a big industry with money and have definitely tightened down slot machines in various ways by raising bet mins and reducing line and bonus payouts. I was happy starting online to see that no such industry monopoly exists for online casinos who first competed for customers with open bonuses and have only slowly set greater and greater limitations on those bonuses. More importantly, however, was the existence of only a few major game providers with individually unique game designs, and the fact that online casinos mostly cannot mess with those designs and those game payouts. I say mostly, because sure, there have always been some sites that have always operated obviously rigged games that never payout, and one stays away from those sites. But, for the most part, the issue for me hasn't been not winning, but having to slowly give up on playing with any bonuses, because the reduced payouts aren't worth the effort or investment to achieve them now. Nowadays, I just play my money straight-up, and on those sites that seem fairer than most, I can still win. Maybe not quite as often as before, but still more often than using brick-and mortar casinos. And, I appreciate that verification mostly seems to be easing too, although I wish the US govt didn't just leave US players to the mercy of online casinos in general.

 

[snorky510238]

Could I ask what Toothpaste you use and do you drink tap water?

I'm a little concerned that the Fluoride ingredient, just in case you wasn't aware it's an extremely neurotoxic chemical added to drinking water, toothpaste, mouthwash and even some bottled waters. It basically interrupts the basic function of nerve cells in the brain, causing docile submissive behaviour and IQ devastation. Don't you worry about me young man, you look after yaself. xx

I haven’t got any of original teeth left so just Steradent. Wondering how many times a day your brushing yours though.

 

[jasonuk]

Gotta say that's a pretty bleak picture.

It's also contrary to the recently published guidance issued by the Govt. which states they are moving to a 2:1 B3 to Cat C ratio of machines. ie a more liberal regime.

Can't find any sources at all to back up the expansion of gamstop or time limits.

The

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(warning: very long read) was suggesting replacing the 80/20 rule (that is, 4 Category C or D machines for every Category B machine) with a 50/50 rule (that is, 1 Category C or D machine for every Category B machine), as well as a bunch of other higher limits for casinos (particularly around the ratios of machines to tables, which have historically been quite low and thus forced casinos to either have too many tables or not enough machines).

Curiously, given the number of jobs involved - the UKGC appears to be focusing more on the sustainability of the industry, rather than responsible gambling or other metrics. If we contrast that with online, where a number of the changes have done little for responsible gambling, but a lot to ruin the entertainment factor - as well as an increasing exodus by smaller operators in favour of the bookies and other big names.

 

[slot_zombie]

Can you imagine the absolute sharking chaos if players were on a time limit, playing compensated machines

 

[satchnz]

Some of the shit in this thread belongs on Facebook/4chan/8chan/Truth Social, not a gambling forum ffs.

 

[PMKFRUITPRO]

Agreed.

Let’s talk about braining out on shite games.

 

[Jono777]

Great, that means the bastards will be on the hook and will need to accept a return for a new one when the washing machine "magically" goes wrong just outside the warranty period.

Sorry for the short response, but Rishi Sunak has implanted a microchip in my brain, and it only allows me 14.5 minutes of internet usage per day before the electric shocks begin.

Ironically (and truthfully) happened to me, not once but THREE times lol

Now most will understand why I have a life membership to the rigged brigade.

 

[Summer_Nights]

I have only just started gambling again after being on gamstop for 6 years , So a lot has changed the auto play has completely gone this time , There is a spin delay and fasting spinning has gone , I'm fine with the fast spinning gone , But with the spin delay and auto play gone it seems a bit over the top , I would have been fine with a spin delay if the auto play was still there , what I don't understand is they take these things away but on some slots next to the spin button is max bet button.

As for the casino I have ended up playing at Bet365 which haven't asked for ID or any SOW , When I came off gamstop I actually went to 32 red and tried to make a new account because I no longer had access to the email I used to use , That account was locked and when I spoke to customer support I told them I had just been taken off gamstop because they said I was excluded from their site , So I thought the information hadn't gone through but that wasn't it , They said I had excluded with them in 2020 , I couldn't have excluded with them in 2020 because I signed up to gamstop in 2018 and I wasn't even gambling , So I asked could you remove from the restriction after I explained I couldn't have excluded because I wasn't even gambling at the time they said no , I tried a few different places like Coral same thing , But when I made an account at Bet365 and that account was locked after making it like the other websites , I spoke to customer support they allowed me to play on the new account I had made , I have been able to deposit and withdraw without having to send any documents.

I have to say my recent gambling sessions have been really bad, I have reduced my bets lately because when I started gambling again I was doing my usual 30p - 50p a spin and the balance was gone really quick , So now I only do 10p - 20p a spin , I have to say the deposit match bonuses really helped , Unfortunately I will never join another non UK casino it seems it's most of these casinos that ask for SOW when it comes to withdrawing , So my recent bad session has been the worst which was Thursday night I went through £100 in about 1 hour doing 10p - 20p a spin and most of my sessions have been like this , I don't usually play the new slots mainly Book of Ra , Lucky Lady's Charm , Book of Dead , Legacy of the Dead , Gigatoonz , Rick and Morty , Goonies Return , I have tried some of the new slots but not many like Immortal Romance 2 , The big bass slots I hadn't played any of them but I tried Splash , Amazon Extreme , Reel Action , Mission Fishin , It just seems really hard to get a bonus on some slots , I remember a few weeks back I was playing Book of Ra on 20p a spin and I went through £80 and I didn't get one bonus , The only decent win I can think of was Gigatoonz where I won £140 on 20p spin that was probably over a month ago , Recently on lucky lady's charm I have had bonuses but they don't seem to retrigger like they use too , I had 4 bonuses in one night and not one retriggered , I question myself if it was worth coming off gamstop , Most of my sessions is how quickly can we get through this £100 on 10p - 20p a spin.

 

[snorky510238]

Unfortunately, despite what people try and tell me, I can’t find one slot that plays like it did. Admittedly, I don’t play the vast majority of providers but if one is “at it”, in general, they all are. It’s all a gimped, predictable heap of shite nowadays.

 

[Jono777]

Unfortunately, despite what people try and tell me, I can’t find one slot that plays like it did. Admittedly, I don’t play the vast majority of providers but if one is “at it”, in general, they all are. It’s all a gimped, predictable heap of shite nowadays.

Obviously due to reasons I'm not going to bleat on about again, my spin volume is a lot lower than days gone by.

However when I do have the odd session, it has become that predictable, I can even say what will happen before it does from time to time, not something I should be able to do with a so called random game.

Won't list loads and it would be futile but can often suggest when a 5OAK glasses will drop on DoA, or even when after scatters drop 1,2, miss, miss, miss continually when the 3rd will finally drop (the spin is in motion when I do this so cannot take any advantage)

Hard to explain on typing but I and (some) others will know what I'm on about.

Another pattern which has developed lately is on a fresh £10 deposit, the first say 100 spins or so will give a very break even style game, only to be followed by the 2nd 100 spins being completely the opposite and more or less destroying the balance.

 

[goatwack]

Gee guys.....you're not really selling this hobby to me. Your collective salesmanship blows

 

[Guntis]

One example i can give is with Novomatic's Lucky Lady. A few years back, if you got a retrigger, it was almost guaranteed to give you another 100x on top from the 15 spins. Now, you rarely get retriggers, and you often need 30 spins to get even a 100x win in total.

Don't believe? Test it. Find a grand somewhere and stick it in places like WillHill, Ladbrokes, etc, Your choice. Set a stake and £1 and spin.

 

[Jono777]

Tested it just on my own theory, dunno why, all I did was piss myself off lol

DoA
Start Balance £10.00
Balance after 100 spins: £9.20, 3 x bonuses, 1x5OAK glass, few 4OAK premiums

Balance after 200 spins, £2.65, 1x bonus (no wilds at all) no premium symbol wins past reel 3

Bust

Session time 12 minutes (including popping outside for a fag)

This may not make sense but all this mini session achieved was to i) make me want to play more and try again ii) Take another step to dumping this rigged bollocks altogether.

 

[PMKFRUITPRO]

Smoking is bad for you.

 

[ollygarch]

To me it seems there are two reasons for casino, 1 entertainment, 2 profit. Judging by the many posts above the entertainment level is down from a few years ago. Nowadays there are few decent bonuses and offers compared with before. So the opportunity to make a profit is also much reduced. Not surprisingly my activity levels are now significantly lower than in the past. It feels like another industry being regulated into extinction.

 

[megadam]

The entertainment level is nowhere where it used to be. For context over the last 1-2 weeks I must've deposited well over £600 and played on minimum stakes mostly. I've had two cashouts where the balance for that session was more than 50% of the starting balance (So £60 cashout on a £40 deposit).

During that time I've been playing mostly max RTP slots. My biggest win was on bonanza falls for a massive 200x. Getting a bonus on a slot feels like a victory when you then realize that the rate of getting a 0-2x pity bonus has sky rocketed over the past 2 years (PlayNGo is a fucking disgrace in this department, so is Praggers). It isn't even entertainment anymore, it's become a chore.

What used to be fun trying to land a bonus but you somewhat knew that the bonus frequencies would mean you'd get a few in a session quickly turn to a boredom fest as base games have been stripped bare, bonus frequencies that used to be common are now locked behind extra bet options to strip your money even more at the speed of light and some providers have definitely moved to a math model of robbing you blind and quickly rather than robbing you slowly.

 

[dunover]

Indeed, these 'golden bet or extra chance' stakes are a fucking clever scam.

So you pay 25 or 50% more per spin to allegedly double the chance of landing what wll inevitably be a shit feature. Naturally, the base game RTP plummets as a result as the line/symbol pays remain the same, it's the same lunatic proposition of buying 'insurance' at the blackjack table.

So if your base game RTP is 70% and the stakes rise by 25% for the same line pays, your effective base game RTP then drops on average to about 56%, if a 50% stake rise it drops to 46.7%.

Of course your increased feature frequency may mitigate this as say it's 24% overall before the stake rise. Problem is, your feature is far more volatile than base game spins so all you are doing is paying for increased overall volatility which makes is far more likely you'll spunk your money even faster.

Good for casino, good for slot developer, probably not so good for the player.

 

[YouTubeSlots]

There all at it now. Even the fishin frenzy games now have a golden bet option.

They clearly seen how big bass was rinsing people with this method of foolery and thought they would give it a go themselves.

Basically you have to activate it, else getting a bonus round will take the utter piss if you don't have it activated.

Such a con.