Novomatic slots, is this normal?

[plasticnote]

I am quite a big fun of lucky lady charm and dolphin pearl. The feature is hard to get but easy to re-trigger, very exciting.

In the past few weeks, I had few sessions, that I had 7 or 8 features for each session but no re-trigger at all.

Today at casumo, 4 features, no re-trigger..., again...

very frustrating...

Is this normal?

cheers

plasticnote

 

[Simmo!]

I have noticed this and think its more normal on the online slots than their land-based counterarts. The RTP on the land-based machines is lower (normally advertised on the Gaminator machine) and is generally one of 90%, 92% and 94% whereas the online versons are between 94 & 97% gernerally with LLC Deluxe top of the tree at a shade over 97%. When you look at the pay-tables they are the same too from what I can see.

So my best guess is that the variance has been changed and the land-based ones are higher to compensate for lower RTP. If that assumption is correct, the logical way to do that would be to make the feature harder to get but make it's payout potential better. Hence why re-triggers might be more common on land versions with the online versions watered down a bit.

Also, the bet limits online are a lot higher so lowering the variance also lowers the risk exposure for a casino.

 

[onkel]

No re-triggers you say? Come back when you've had 7-8 sessions without a feature at all!

I do love Novomatic slots but they're very volatile and a bad streak (as in winning nothing at all) can extend for weeks.

I agree with Simmo, the land based versions have way more re-triggers, but a lot less base game wins.

 

[plasticnote]

I have noticed this and think its more normal on the online slots than their land-based counterarts. The RTP on the land-based machines is lower (normally advertised on the Gaminator machine) and is generally one of 90%, 92% and 94% whereas the online versons are between 94 & 97% gernerally with LLC Deluxe top of the tree at a shade over 97%. When you look at the pay-tables they are the same too from what I can see.

So my best guess is that the variance has been changed and the land-based ones are higher to compensate for lower RTP. If that assumption is correct, the logical way to do that would be to make the feature harder to get but make it's payout potential better. Hence why re-triggers might be more common on land versions with the online versions watered down a bit.

Also, the bet limits online are a lot higher so lowering the variance also lowers the risk exposure for a casino.

If there were much less re trigger in these 2 games, they are not even worth playing anymore...

 

[Casino2014man]

I agree with all of the above.

Takes me a lifetime to ever get a feature on these slots though!

 

[onkel]

LLC deluxe played online is hopeless imo. In the land based version I quite often hit decent or monster features, rarely so online. This conclusion is based on 100k+ spins on both. It's now one of the Novomatic games I avoid to play online.

 

[plasticnote]

so for online version, which slots are worth playing these days?

thank you for sharing

 

[onkel]

For me, the classic version of book of ra, captain's venture (here you'll get retriggers basically every time, super sick features!) and Sea Sirens are the ones I play. The two latter are only available on Stargames.

 

[Simmo!]

so for online version, which slots are worth playing these days?

thank you for sharing

Katana and Mystic Secrets are top of my list.

 

[fun4all]

I also find that retriggers online on LLD are hard to come by however very easy on the land based version.

Annoys me also cos I love playing the land based version!

I would like to see "rich witch" online (the same as the land based version).

 

[Simmo!]

I would like to see "rich witch" online (the same as the land based version).

Yes I don't get why they haven't done that one yet...it's very popular in UK land-based and a decent game too, although frustrating when you keep getting the same bonus symbols stacking up and never the 3rd one LOL.

 

[fun4all]

although frustrating when you keep getting the same bonus symbols stacking up and never the 3rd one LOL.

Agreed, but it still does retrigger SO MUCH which makes it amazing fun and super tempting to chase the feature hehe.

I hope when (and im sure its when and not if) they bring it online it wont suffer from the same fate as LLC. I really do think the online version of that game plays very different to the land version (and not in a fun way) - they toned down the retriggers online imo and added the RTP somewhere else.

 

[plasticnote]

Agreed, but it still does retrigger SO MUCH which makes it amazing fun and super tempting to chase the feature hehe.

I hope when (and im sure its when and not if) they bring it online it wont suffer from the same fate as LLC. I really do think the online version of that game plays very different to the land version (and not in a fun way) - they toned down the retriggers online imo and added the RTP somewhere else.

I totally agree, the toned down version is actually worse because it is boring with less fun in the bonus game, the only big one in the base game are 5 scatters and 5 wilds, they are so rare. There is no motivation for players to keep playing... I played LLC at energy casino and now casumo. And I normally put in 200-300x of my bet to try my luck. It appears that online version not really worth the money/time... How can casinos offering these games attract players back for more?

Right now, there are just very few casinos have these slots, it should work to the casinos' advantage to attract players. For me, if I want to play netent/MG I can play at many places offering my local currency and almost instant cashout. I signed up casumo only to play their novolines... I paid my price but did not get what I hope for...

 

[fun4all]

I totally agree, the toned down version is actually worse because it is boring with less fun in the bonus game, the only big one in the base game are 5 scatters and 5 wilds, they are so rare. There is no motivation for players to keep playing... I played LLC at energy casino and now casumo. And I normally put in 200-300x of my bet to try my luck. It appears that online version not really worth the money/time... How can casinos offering these games attract players back for more?

I think the hardened gamblers love these slots for the retriggers so I think it would be a big mistake if they have toned them down in the online versions as well. This is just our opinion though we don't know what the truth is. All we know is the game is definitely different online (higher RTP than land version as official figures say so)

I think 5 scatters inside the free games is more common than you think in the land based LLC!

 

[plasticnote]

I think the hardened gamblers love these slots for the retriggers so I think it would be a big mistake if they have toned them down in the online versions as well. This is just our opinion though we don't know what the truth is. All we know is the game is definitely different online (higher RTP than land version as official figures say so)

I think 5 scatters inside the free games is more common than you think in the land based LLC!

I played few times land based novomatic during my working trip... it is much interesting, also the Action Game, that was fun...

 

[lotusch]

Novomatic is very well known for it's insane volatile slots.
I had sessions where I would turn a €100.00 deposit into €1000.00 literary within minutes into play.
As a good few slots can chuck out a massive win on the bonusgames. (Book of Ra,Lucky Lady Charm,Dolphins Pearl,Katana,Mystic Secrets) etc etc.
But boy,if they are cold they ARE cold and I have had loads of sessions divided between a few days where these slots would eat your balance like crazy.
As Base game pays on Novo slots are low and not worth mentioning except maybe for the top paying symbol.

So you need free spins/bonus games and then you might end up with a nice big win.

So even 10-20 or 30 features might occur without a retrigger.

 

[Simmo!]

I think 5 scatters inside the free games is more common than you think in the land based LLC!

My one and only "offline" 5 scatter win came in the free spins on Book Of Ra in Brighton but I saw a guy hit the 5 LLC scatters during the free spins at Gala Tottenham Ct Rd once...hit the 4k max payout as it was in the pre-20k days.

 

[psychogene]

I really like novomatic slots but I have come to realize they are more friendly towards medium-high rollers as most of their slots the bonus feature does not trigger regularly but the payout for even a bad round is usually better than other online providers like MG/NetEnt.

After trying out quite alot of novomatic slots the only one that I will probably stick with is rumpel wildspin because I have never had a bad bonus round (nothing below x20) and regularly get bonus rounds of x100 to x200 and this is after 2 1/2 months of playing it. The other slots like dolphin pearls, book of ra, just jewel deluxe are so streaky it can eat your balance so fast.

 

[plasticnote]

i have played LLC today again, has 4 re-triggers on the no.5 feature, 1 re-trigger on the no.6 feature. deposit 500x bets, cashout 400x, a ok session...

 

[Casino2014man]

Novomatic are a bit crazy..

I was just playing at Skyvegas

Secret elixir - £10 deposited. I did 20 x 50p spins and literally won £1.

Had 80p left so did an 80p spin, won the feature.

retriggered 5 times, won £350

£300 withdrawn

 

[Freeman]

I am quite a big fun of lucky lady charm and dolphin pearl. The feature is hard to get but easy to re-trigger, very exciting.

In the past few weeks, I had few sessions, that I had 7 or 8 features for each session but no re-trigger at all.

Today at casumo, 4 features, no re-trigger..., again...

very frustrating...

Is this normal?

cheers

plasticnote

Short answer: Yes it's normal Boring answer: RTP

 

[AlexTu]

As for me, I have spent a lot of hours with Novoline slots. The last try I did yesterday, it was Power Stars. You know, Novomatic may be profitable only for high rollers. It is only my opinion because I have played a lot with deposits 50$-100$ these games and the fact is that any Novoline was pretty cold for me when I put the sum within 100$. Is it ok or I am just a loser ?

 

[psychogene]

Novomatic is certainly high variance and like I've said before best geared for medium-high deposit/rollers.

Its still possible to win though but in my time playing their online slots deposits of $30 and under are usually a fast bust or a withdrawal of $100 plus. You can guess which one happens the most lol.

Rumpel Wildspin is my favourite slot of theirs because the free spin is a gold mine if you can land a few sticky wilds in the first few spins (and it happens alot). Just jewel deluxe although having one of the most shocking variances I've seen (its not uncommon to go on 20 dead spins in a row. At minimum bet thats about $8 gone before you even get a small 3 of a kind win) but when you land 5OAK stacked reels you are guaranteed x100 your bet size. Hoffmania would be my third favourite because like just jewel deluxe dead spins are brutal but the winning potential is great.

These days I don't play novomatic that much anymore in terms of value for money (as a low deposit/roller) and playing time my deposits are usually gone in a flash.

 

[AlexTu]

These days I don't play novomatic that much anymore in terms of value for money (as a low deposit/roller) and playing time my deposits are usually gone in a flash.

Do you gamble other slots? If so, what do you prefer?

 

[gagamel]

Had a session yesterday and it was a desaster. But if you hit you hit sometimes really big. I would not play slots if Novomatic were the only software to play. But sometimes it`s a lot of fun

 

[size55]

Some weeks ago I just hit the free spins on book of ra with a 4 Euro bet. I actually won only about 10x times the bet what was so disgusting for me when I actually always play with low bets ... would be a good chance to win big

 

[me_and_ed]

4 deposits of more than $100 in a row and not one fucking feature and nothing over 25x my bet on LLC and RWS, it has to call into question the true randomness of these slots, Amazing Stars somewhat better but I am done with Novo, nothing worse than that ripped off feeling of not even getting any playtime.

 

[psychogene]

Do you gamble other slots? If so, what do you prefer?

I play mostly Microgaming and NetEnt games like I believe most people who play online slots do. Microgaming tends to give me bigger wins and tons of free spin features on whatever slot when its hot and NetEnt tends to give me great playtime at small deposits and small-medium size wins on bonus features when its playing nicely. Its more of a rarity for me these days sadly that I get alot of playtime and big wins so when its cold and dry and theres no feature or nice hits in sight well they all slot providers play the same - dead spins that lead to busts with no features inbetween.

Novomatic will never be my main slot provider because I guarantee you will go broke fast if all you do is play novomatic. Its fine to play every now and then but I would not focus all my deposits on their slots its just too brutal. If you have a good session though on novomatic slots chances are your going to win quite alot (much more than you would with netent unless its dead or alive) but the chances of that happening appear to be really slim (more so than microgaming or netent in my opinion).

There is alot of information on this site about which provider and their slots are the best and its all subjective really - everything comes down to how well you have been treated on that particular slot/brand in terms of play time and wins that equal enjoyment. In the short term you can play a really fancy slot and love it because of its animations, features and feel but in the long term those things aren't as appealing anymore and its about the success and returns you have made on that slot.

Some of my fav MG slots are immortal romance (proceed with caution), alaskan fishing (can usually tell if its going to be a good or bad session within 100 spins), fat lady sings (decent bonus round, medium variance, can last a long time on small deposits if its playing average), big chef (new release - quite fun and can bet as long as 0.15p), jurassic park (lots of features and decent variance for a 243 slot). I'd stick to their older releases mostly seem to get good playtime out of them.

Netent -> Dead or alive (seems about everyones favourite netent slot - bonus rounds have potential for massive payouts), Reel Steal (super high variance of a slot but has good potential, just very rare), Alien Robot (decent slot but can get cold really fast), Mythical Maiden (again can turn ugly in a heartbeat but the base game pays well). Netent is nice because you can low roll on most of their games at 0.20p but alot of their games have really crappy payouts for big wins.

I could go on and on but you should try games in free play first before you play with real money. Sites like videoslots have 1000+ slots from tons of providers (everything but WMS and novomatic) so between them and energy casino/casumo you can pretty much cover all the slots that are around.

 

[AlexTu]

I could go on and on but you should try games in free play first before you play with real money. Sites like videoslots have 1000+ slots from tons of providers (everything but WMS and novomatic) so between them and energy casino/casumo you can pretty much cover all the slots that are around.

Thanks, Psychogene. I will focus my attention on MG and NetEnt. It is time to discover something new