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Minnesota tells Telecom's to Block Internet Gambling Sites

As the online gambling industry converges on Amsterdam to attend the Amsterdam Affiliate Conference and as Congress gets ready to debate the issue of internet gambling regulations, the Minnesota Department of Public Safety (DPS) Alcohol and Gambling Enforcement Division (AGED) announced that it has served written notice to 11 national and regional telephone and Internet service providers (ISPs) instructing them to prohibit access of all Minnesota-based computers to nearly 200 online gambling websites. Interactive Media Entertainment & Gaming Association, iMEGA will be reaching out to all concerned parties today to block this action.

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ONLINE GAMBLING FACES NEW U.S. THREAT

Now Minnesota authorities issue bans to ISPs in Internet censorship move

In a move reminiscent of recent Australian attempts to censor the Internet at ISP level, the Minnesota Department of Public Safety (DPS) Alcohol and Gambling Enforcement Division (AGED) today announced that it has served written notice to 11 national and regional telephone and Internet service providers (ISPs) instructing them to prohibit access of all Minnesota-based computers to nearly 200 online gambling websites.

Apparently the notification includes an assertion that online gambling is illegal in all US states. The sites banned are not identified in initial reports on the ban.

AT&T Internet Services, San Antonio; Charter Communications, St. Louis; Comcast Cable, Moorestown, N.J.; Direct TV, Los Angeles; Dish Network, Englewood., Colo.; Embarq and Sprint/Nextel, both of Overland Park, Kan.; Frontier Communications, Stamford, Conn.; Qwest, Denver; Verizon Wireless, Bedminster, N.J.; and Wildblue Communications, Greenwood Village, Colo. are among the sites served with the notice.

John Willems, director of AGED said: We are putting site operators and Minnesota online gamblers on notice and in advance. Disruption of these sites cash flow will negatively impact their business models. State residents with online escrow accounts should be aware that access to their accounts may be jeopardized and their funds in peril.

Believed the first attempt by a state to employ this federal statute to restrict access to online gambling sites, the letters cites U.S. Code, Title 18, Section 1084, (d); notices were delivered Monday April 27, 2009. Congress enacted the "Wire Act" statute in 1961, and its use has hitherto been confined to sportsbetting issues, although the Department of Justice has claimed it applies to all online gambling - something yet to be fully tested in the courts, although a contrary ruling was issued by the Fifth Circuit Court some years ago.

Response from the notified ISPs is expected within two to three weeks, at which time issues of non-compliance will be referred to the Federal Communications Commission (FCC). This is presumably a veiled threat against licenses.

Acknowledging the effort as an initial sample, Willems anticipates the program expanding to address thousands of sites, depending on compliance. He notes that the required technology to restrict geographic access to particular sites is a relatively straightforward procedure on the part of service providers.

In the written notices, AGED also provided the sites telephone numbers and requested access to those numbers by Minnesotans to be prohibited. For more than two decades, telecoms have shut down telephone numbers at the request of law enforcement agencies when believed to be involved in illegal activities, such as sports book-making telephone numbers.

In Minnesota, and for Minnesotans, the primary issues are legality, state self-governance and accountability, says Willems. In broader context, the long-running debate on online gambling continues to raise significant issues, including absence of policy and regulation, individual rights, societal impact, international fair-trade practices, and funding for criminal and terrorist organizations.

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So it basically sounds like the sites in question simply need to change their phone number or set-up one with another provider. I don't see though how they can enforce "The Wire Act" upon those residents with satellite link-up service for the net. Don't see how that case could even be won in District court. :rolleyes:
 
It certainly creates yet another diversion in the already complicated US legal scene, especially bearing in mind the historical reluctance of the DoJ to actually test it's claim that the Wire Act applies to all Internet gambling and not just sportsbetting in the courts.

I suspect that iMEGA and the several civil society and Internet freedom bodies in the States will be all over this in the very near future.

It's definitely going to be interesting to watch, as it is an even more overt assault on the freedom of the Internet than Governor Beshear's escapades in Kentucky.
 
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if they can shut them down that way then why can,t they do the same for internet porn? gezzz why don,t they all start treating us like 5 year olds and come into our homes to sit our computers on perntal contol so we can only go to the site our goverment wants us 2. someone is getting paid off by porn sites caz u never hear about all the sites that kids can log onto and the sites that have kids doing things a grown up would blush at. shows what is inportent to the goverment and i don,t say my goverment caz it is no longer for the people by the people.
 
I'm so glad I live in the land of the free!!!! I can't smoke in IL, Ilegal to gamble online, whats next oh i know lets make them pay the highest taxes in the country. WTF but i can go to a bar get drunk and drive lol. Our country really needs to rethink its priorities. ok that felt good anyone want to join me for a drink now. Im driving. :D
 
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Apparently the notification includes an assertion that online gambling is illegal in all US states...
<sigh> will it ever end?

All it takes is one politician to make a false statement (in this case that online gaming is illegal), and the media and nearly everyone else sucks up to it.

It happens all the time - weapons of mass destruction (there weren't any), we only use 10% of our brain (we use all of it - except for a few politicians), the Columbine shooters were Goths and in the "Trenchcoat Mafia" (they weren't). I'm not trying to equate the severity of these topics, I'm trying to illustrate a pattern.

Most people - and especially people who have decision making powers - are unschooled in whatever they are trying to propose, and the media follows along with them like happy little puppy dogs.
 
I'm still trying to figure out just exactly what this means for people there. And, like another poster, is Minn. a state that specifically has a law against online gambling? And what does this mean for those who like to visit us here at Casinomeister?

I do wish someone with balls and money would take on all these stupid little pissant lawmakers that nibble away at our basic rights and open up a can of whupass in the court system. Take it to court, take it down to the finish.

There are SO many more important things for our governing officials to worry about other than whether Joe Schmoe is going to blow $25 at a freaking online casino. Yes, there are addicts and ne'erdowells gambling when they shouldn't. But then again, there are people in goverment postions pretending to have brains when they don't and spending taxpayers money on stupid crap like this. And I do believe this idiotic move will cost them... I can only hope that, while Justice may be blind, she's not totally dead.

Pardon the rant... I'm just so sick of all this stupid sh*t... :barf:
 
I'm still trying to figure out just exactly what this means for people there. And, like another poster, is Minn. a state that specifically has a law against online gambling?

Hi Mouse! :D



Thanks/kudos go to Simmo! and his essential FAQ (found on the site's main page).



"The States that definately outlaw online gambling in the USA include Illinois, Indiana, Louisiana, Nevada, Oregon, South Dakota, Washington and Wisonsin[sic]."

Guess Minnesota is OK?
 
Hi Mouse! :D



Thanks/kudos go to Simmo! and his essential FAQ (found on the site's main page).



"The States that definately outlaw online gambling in the USA include Illinois, Indiana, Louisiana, Nevada, Oregon, South Dakota, Washington and Wisonsin[sic]."

Guess Minnesota is OK?

What happened to the other 3 states? I thought there were 11 total.

This was the list I had:

New York
Illinois
Michigan
New Jersey
Washington
Indiana
Wisconsin
Louisiana
Oregon
Nevada
South Dakota
 
Well, here is what I think:

Since this is an international debate, I think the World Trade Organization needs to get involved. You see, how can a country like GB, or other member nation compete for the US market when these online companies are being restricted from getting a piece of the pie. There are US laws being challenged by the WTO for limiting competition in other areas of trade. How is this any different? Some body call the WTO!!! I would but I don't have the number.
 
What happened to the other 3 states? I thought there were 11 total.

This was the list I had:

New York
Illinois
Michigan
New Jersey
Washington
Indiana
Wisconsin
Louisiana
Oregon
Nevada
South Dakota

Microgaming added Kentucky to that list in the wake of the unsuccessful attempt by Beshear and his outsourced lawyers to hijack online gambling company domains.
 
Update

FAST REACTION TO MINNESOTA ONLINE GAMBLING BAN (Update)

State officials condemned for "kite-flying"

Yesterday's online gambling banning notification from the Minnesota Department of Public Safety's Alcohol and Gaming Division has made mainstream media headlines throughout the world, and has predictably fired up almost immediate opposition from civil rights and Internet freedom groups.

Matt Werden, the Minnesota state director of the Poker Players Alliance, which has 21 000 of its million members resident in Minnesota, was first to condemn the move, releasing a statement which said: "This isn't simply a heavy-handed tactic by the government; this is a clear misrepresentation of federal law, as well as Minnesota law, used in an unprecedented way to try and censor the Internet. I don't know what U.S. Code they're reading, but it is not illegal to play this great American pastime online, and we're calling their bluff.

"The fact is, online poker is not illegal, it's not criminal, and it cannot be forcibly blocked by a state authority looking to score some political points. What are they going to do when this fails, ban poker books and burn our players at the stake?

"We see headlines like this coming from communist China but never expect that it could happen here in Minnesota.

"The good news is groups like the Poker Players Alliance are here to protect the rights of poker players and set the record straight when government reaches too far. But this is more than just protecting poker this is about keeping the internet free of censorship and ensuring that law abiding citizens can enjoy a game of Texas Hold 'Em in the comfort of their own home, whether it's online or with a group of friends.

"The PPA will take any action necessary to make sure our members and the general public are aware of these oppressive and illegal actions, and to make sure the game of poker in all it's forms is protected in the state of Minnesota."

Minnesota officials remained unrepentant, however, and seemingly convinced that it was illegal to gamble online in Minnesota. Alcohol and Gaming Division director John Willems told Casino City: "The statute we're citing is civil.

"We're not seeking to criminalize. We're not seeking to prevent Internet gambling sites from doing their business where it's lawful - we're just seeking to prevent them from doing it in Minnesota where it's unlawful. I'm only concerned about the state of Minnesota."

Speaking to Casino City staffers (
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) Willems said that his list of Internet gambling sites to be blocked did not include websites that merely promoted or advertised online gambling, as opposed to those that actively offered gambling facilities to Minnesota residents.

Asked about the motivation behind the unexpected initiative from his department, Willems admitted that there had not been a major public demand for this action, but that the move was "a natural evolution of Minnesota's belief that Internet gambling is illegal."

"Internet gambling is unlawful in Minnesota," Willems stressed. "So how do you deal with activity within the confines of our jurisdiction while understanding there's a global aspect to this?

"As the industry changed and phone companies became ISPs, and ISPs became phone companies it reached a point in time where we realized that a reasonable reading of the statute applied. Our goal is not to hurt the operators in their lawful operations. And the technology has grown to the point where it's a fairly straight forward process."

Casino City asked gaming attorney Clarke Walton for his take on thye issue, and he responded with an opinion that the legal reasoning of the Minnesota authorities is arguable.

"They're probably not within their rights based on decisions that have said the Wire Act applies only to sports betting and not other casino games like slot machines and certainly not poker," the attorney said.

Associated Press carried a major story on the Minnesota bans, opining that the federal law cited by the Minnesota Alcohol and Gaming Division refers to "common carriers," a term that mainly applies to phone companies.

"But Internet service providers are not common carriers, meaning it's unlikely that a court would compel an ISP to comply with Minnesota's request," John Morris, general counsel at the Center for Democracy and Technology in Washington told the news service.

Morris also noted that the law appears to apply to phone companies directly doing business with bet-takers. But American restrictions on online gambling have already forced gambling sites overseas, where U.S. ISPs have no direct links to them.

"I think this is a very problematic and significant misreading of the statute," Morris said.

Associated Press writers had clearly done their homework, and drew attention to a similar case in Pennsylvania, which briefly imposed requirements for ISPs to block child-pornography sites. A federal court struck down the law in 2004 because the filters also blocked legitimate sites and affected Internet subscribers outside the state.

AT&T Inc. and Qwest Communications International Inc., which were among the companies that received the Alcohol and Gaming Division request, said they were reviewing it. Comcast Corp., the nation's largest cable ISP, had no immediate comment.

Sounding a practical argument against the route taken by Minnesota, John Palfrey, co-director of the Berkman Center for Internet & Society at Harvard University, said the idea of forcing Internet service providers to filter sites has been almost abandoned because it works so poorly. Either too many sites are blocked, or too few meaning that even if the ISPs were to cooperate, online gamblers might get around the filters by finding sites that aren't on the list.

In a subsequent statement to Associated Press, Willems said Minnesota might expand the list beyond the still publicly unidentified 200 sites currently on it.

The Interactive Media Entertainment & Gaming Association (iMEGA.org), which has successfully contested other US official moves to interfere with the accessibility of the Internet, was also quick to criticise the Minnesota bans, vowing to contest and halt the state action.

Chairman Joe Brennan, Jr. said: "iMEGA will be reaching out to all concerned parties to block this action by Minnesota."
 
reminiscent of recent Australian attempts to censor the Internet at ISP level

As an Australian citizen my birth right is free speech - least it is supposed to be. I thought the same applied to the USA too. The proposed Australian ISP ban was to stop porn.

Ironically I can switch on my TV after 11pm and view or sorts of porn content being advertised for sms services by commercial television stations. I'm sure not everyone viewing these ads are 18 years or over :rolleyes:


why can,t they do the same for internet porn?

Probably because there is a tax dollar in it for them :rolleyes:

IMHO anyone who confuses this push for banning internet gambling with social morality issues is on the wrong path. It all comes down to loss of revenue going off shore. Nothing more nothing less!

I'm just so sick of all this stupid sh*t... :barf:

Me too :thumbsup:


Cheers
T
 
I think the World Trade Organization needs to get involved. You see, how can a country like GB, or other member nation compete for the US market when these online companies are being restricted from getting a piece of the pie. There are US laws being challenged by the WTO for limiting competition in other areas of trade. How is this any different?

Unfortunately the US doesn't seem to listen to the WTO or take their directive(s) unless its in their favour.

The Antigua/USA WTO gambling ban comes to mind.
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Or was this the catalyst for the UIGEA?

Cheers
T
 
Update

iMEGA has demanded, and received, a copy of the Minnesota black list which I have forwarded to Bryan (I'm not sure how to upload it here in its present form)

The first part of the document consists of the recipients and the fax sent to them, but from page 15 onward it specifies which sites are to be blocked, together with Support numbers and IP addresses.

There are some 210 blacklisted operations in all.

@Trezz

The Aussie blacklist also contained gambling websites, indicating that the authorities, once allowed to go their own way, will continue to expand a blacklist - especially when it is kept secret like the Australian one.

That's one of the dangers of untrammelled government authority, and why it is so important that officialdom is open and challengeable.
 
List of ISPs and Banned sites

Here it is...:rolleyes:

As forwarded from Jetset:

Attached please find the communication sent out by the state of Minnesota's Department of Public Safety and their Alcohol & Gambling Enforcement Division to ISPs and telecomm companies requesting that they ban online gambling sites.

The first part of the document consists of the recipients and the fax sent to them, but from page 15 onward it specifies which sites are to be blocked, together with Support numbers and IP addresses.

There are some 210 blacklisted operations in all.

The list was released on demand from iMEGA.
 
Update

MINNESOTA ONLINE BAN ATTEMPT LATEST (Update)

Official confirms the state is not about to prosecute online gamblers

The extraordinary attempt by the state of Minnesotas's Alcohol & Gambling Enforcement Division to require ISPs and telecomms companies to block online gambling sites operating outside the states continued to dominate the headlines as the week ended, overshadowing even Barney Frank's new bill attacking the UIGEA, which is scheduled for introduction next week.

The Interactive Media Entertainment & Gaming Association asked for, and received a copy of the black list sent to ISPs, which contained 210 well known casino names...but strangely many of these have already exited the US or do not accept US sign-ups.

"We question how much thought was put into the selection of these sites," said Joe Brennan Jr., iMEGA chairman. "To propose censoring Minnesota residents' Web access and not to know which sites are even in the US market makes me wonder just how seriously the DPS is taking this action. It comes off as a half-baked attempt at intimidation rather than thoughtful enforcement."

AGED director John Willems explained that the list contained only a small percentage of the "literally thousands of [gambling] websites on the Internet", and that it had been compiled by making selections "...at random without regards to what type of internet gambling each site is engaged in."

The list includes many well established and reputable international online gambling venues including operations like Full Tilt Poker.com, 32Red.com and sister casino Dash.com, Betfred, Casino Room, English Harbour, Everest Poker, Gaming Club, Party Casino and a host of others. Yet it omits the biggest US-serving online poker site on the Internet - PokerStars.com.

Willems has also confirmed that his department does not intend pursuing or prosecuting Minnesota online gamblers. "Were not pursuing any of the bettors and were not keeping people from accessing their money," he said in a Poker News Daily interview. "We wanted to let everyone in the world know what we were up to in order to be transparent. We wanted to let them know that if we were successful, it might impact their ability to get funds they may have online. The last thing that we wanted to do was surprise everyone. Our actions have also increased the level of conversation on this topic."

Willems also denied that his motive was the protection of the many other forms of gambling sanctioned in Minnesota. "The motive is to deal with sizable illegal gambling activity and to use the most reasonable tool we can to deal with it. We are an enforcement agency that has very few tools available," he said.

"I hope well have a mutually satisfying outcome to whatever occurs and I hope well get good public policy because of it. It appears to me, based on voice messages and phone conversations, that the Poker Players Alliance must have contacted their membership because Ive gotten a lot of feedback. I respect their viewpoint and understand it. As much as I can, I try to take the calls, but there are too many of them. I do understand their concerns and Im not disrespectful of that, but there is a difference of opinion."

The Americans for Tax Reform (ATR) has added its voice to other civil rights and freedom of speech critics speaking against the Minnesota action. Grover Norquist, head of the Washington-based organisation, opined that the Minnesota action was typical of a growing authoritarian trend of officialdom trying to control the Internet.

The State of New York wants to tax people who download movies. There is an effort throughout the states to tax internet sales on sites like eBay," he elaborated. "One of the reasons that the internet is so helpful is that it allows competition. The best way to keep taxes low is to allow people to be able to access other jurisdictions.

You cant always pick up and move, but on the internet, you can buy things in other states and other countries. Thats one of the reasons why the internet is so helpful. Its none of the governments business what you do online. We just went through this in Kentucky, Norquist added in a reference to the so far unsuccessful attempt by that state to seize international domain names.

Norquist said it was not helpful to have politicians "pushing people around" when it came to the protection of civil liberties.
 
There are some 210 blacklisted operations in all.
Note how these lame-brained politicians wasted their time banning companies like 32Red and Wagerworks casinos - who don't take ANY US bets.

Perhaps this adds to an argument of freedom of speech. I'm sure there are some Minnesotans who are stock holders in IGT and 32Red PLC. I'd be pretty pissed off if I had no access to their company's websites.

Just goes to prove they have no idea what they are doing.
 
The list is sideways in my copy....is that the way it was put together? I'm not really familiar with Adobe..but I guess there's a way for me to rotate it...I'll figure it out.

If I were a Minnesota state resident, I'm pretty sure I'd be camped out, or handcuffed to a tree...on the property of the Government agency responsible for this. Or at my state legislature. I'd do anything I could to raise awareness of this to my fellow residents, including getting the media as involved as possible. When does this madness end?

I've been ranting for the last couple of days about people being too complacent.....and this just proves my point. People need to start making some serious noise about this shit.....big brother be damned. JMO anyway.
 
This is clearly as half-assed and uninformed as the Kentucky BS imo.

The trouble with government officials is that they can launch actions like this with impunity, and no need to consider the legal costs (that's the taxpayer's dollar they're using and abusing, so it's not a big financial consideration for them)

Yet, this sort of BS can cost legitimate businesses hundreds of thousands of dollars in making the legal moves necessary to short-circuit this sort of nonsense.:mad:

Maybe it's time someone sued one of these dickheads in his personal capacity, although in most cases officials like Willems will be covered by state indemnities, I'll bet.
 
I'm still trying to figure out just exactly what this means for people there. And, like another poster, is Minn. a state that specifically has a law against online gambling? And what does this mean for those who like to visit us here at Casinomeister?

I do wish someone with balls and money would take on all these stupid little pissant lawmakers that nibble away at our basic rights and open up a can of whupass in the court system. Take it to court, take it down to the finish.

There are SO many more important things for our governing officials to worry about other than whether Joe Schmoe is going to blow $25 at a freaking online casino. Yes, there are addicts and ne'erdowells gambling when they shouldn't. But then again, there are people in goverment postions pretending to have brains when they don't and spending taxpayers money on stupid crap like this. And I do believe this idiotic move will cost them... I can only hope that, while Justice may be blind, she's not totally dead.

Pardon the rant... I'm just so sick of all this stupid sh*t... :barf:

AMEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Update

MINNESOTA LEGISLATOR CRITICAL OF ONLINE GAMBLING BAN (Update)

Garofalo tells state: Don't block online gambling without legislative approval

With public reaction growing against an attempt by Minnesota state enforcement officials to block Internet gambling sites at ISP level (see previous InfoPowa reports), a prominent member of the state legislature - and a Republican at that - came out in opposition to the ban this week.

The Minnesota Star Tribune reports that Representative Pat Garofalo, a Republican from Farmington, introduced legislation Monday that would bar the Department of Public Safety from forcing Internet service providers (ISPs) to block access to 200 online gambling Internet gaming sites that state enforcement officials have targeted at random. The legislation is in response to a letter sent last week from the state Alcohol and Gambling Enforcement Division to 11 ISPs directing them to block the sites. There is no indication yet that any of the ISPs intend to act on the state's request, and ISPs have declined comment.

Garofalo's legislation would halt the action by the state and make it conditional on legislative approval.

"The Department of Public Safety has to have better things to do with their time than to go after a college kid in his dorm room or some guy sitting in his basement spending a couple of hours playing online poker," Garofalo told the newspaper. "Demanding that a private-sector Internet service provider block access to websites is not a proper function of our state government."

The director of the Alcohol and Gambling Enforcement Division, John Willems said he would have to hold off reacting to the bill until he has consulted with the commissioner's office for the Department of Public Safety.

Willems said: "We have not heard from the ISPs apart from Dish TV, which has told me that they work with a third-party company to provide Internet access to their customers who need it."

Garofalo remained critical of the enforcement official's activities: "I'm certainly not condoning online gambling," he said. "But I have serious concerns about government banning access to web sites. This is the kind of thing they do in communist China, not the United States of America.

"Besides, how about we focus on balancing the state's $6.4 billion budget deficit and not harassing Minnesotans anymore than Democrat legislative leaders are already trying to do?"

The banning attempt is attracting growing criticism, an example being the online publication Broadband which described the enforcement initiative as "unlikely to succeed" given that it is technically almost impossible and legally dubious.

"The state wants to force ISPs to adhere to inapplicable "common carrier" laws, despite the fact that modern ISPs have been classified as "information services" and deregulated," an editorial observed. It was followed by wide comment from readers generally critical of the state's banning attempt.

"This is as tedious and stupid as the country of Australia and the Mormons in Utah attempting to filter the Internet," wrote one contributor. "Maybe Minnesota needs to secede from the Union and form their own country with Utah and Texas? Then all the fundie religious fanatics and other nutjobs can all live together in one big, happy, filtered existence without being bothered by reality"

Another responded: "It's not "fundie religious fanatics" behind this - it's a state bureaucrat trying to protect legal Indian casinos and state lottery proceeds."

"Minnesota has got bigger freaking problems to worry about [than] gambling online, wrote another, listing what he saw as more immediate priorities. "Funny thing is nobody wants to back a bill to make gambling outside of Indian Casinos."

The enforcement officials did not escape criticism either - one correspondent wrote: "It was the (unelected) head of Alcohol and Gambling Enforcement that came up with this website blocking nonsense. Why can't the moron lawmakers realize that....you can not legislate morality!"
 
I tend to think that the misguided person who put this in motion is not thinking about morality or protection for the people in the true sense of genuine caring and concern. It comes down to the mighty dollar and how they can get more of it for themselves and wanting to stop the perceived revenue loss on their own legalized gambling (such as lottery tickets and scratch tickets).

It's a hair brained idea expecting the big ISP's to protect us from ourselves or what government decides that we need to be protected from. Can you imagine the expense that the ISP's will incur if they are required to put filters in place? And who will pay for this......consumers in the end. What about the smaller ISP's who can't afford another silly expenditure? Oh and if it passes then they will have to institute a fine/fee schedule for the ISP's that don't comply or who let one slip by them. Talk about huge headaches and big expenses! Again the costs passed on to consumers.

In my opinion if there is anything on the internet that should be filtered or taken off, it's the vile scrounge of child porn but they either can't do that or there isn't enough perceived money taken out of someone's pocket to take that seriously and actually do something about that or is it even possible that it could be filtered out? Doubt it!
Politicians must have their stupid priorities right!
 
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I'm kinda torn about this.

As an owner of websites that promote online gambling, my sites and my bottom line would would benefit from a ban like this.

However as an American, the idea that peoples freedom is being taken away disgusts and angers me at a fundamental level.
 
I'm kinda torn about this.

As an owner of websites that promote online gambling, my sites and my bottom line would would benefit from a ban like this.

However as an American, the idea that peoples freedom is being taken away disgusts and angers me at a fundamental level.

Please explain Lots0, how would your sites and bottom line benefit??
 
Update

iMEGA TAKES THE INITIATIVE IN MINNESOTA ISSUE (Update)

No need to concede to the enforcement agency's demands, says civil rights group

The Interactive Media Entertainment & Gaming Association (iMEGA) has been quick to follow up its condemnation of an attempt by Minnesota enforcement officials to censor the Internet through ISP blocks, writing to the Internet Service Providers concerned and advising them that they need not comply with the state's requests.

Minnesota's Alcohol & Gambling Enforcement Division, headed by John Willems, created a furore earlier this week by asking ISPs to ban a list of over 200 randomly selected online gambling websites domiciled outside the USA (see previous InfoPowa reports).

iMEGAs letter highlighted the state agencys error applying a federal law the Wire Act of 1961 (18 USC 1084) as the basis for issuing an order to block Minnesota residents from freely accessing the websites, pointing out among other issues that the list included sites that did not accept business from US residents, and some that were no longer even in business.

Because website operators are not subscribers of yours, have no contracts with you and are not provided facilities by you, you should be aware that the MN DPS is attempting to mislead (either intentionally or inadvertently) you into believing that you are bound by federal law to do what the MN DPS asks, the letter stated.

In fact, [the Wire Act] simply does not apply to the web site operators and imposes no duty upon you and provides no authority to you to comply with the MN DPS request.

iMEGA sent the letter to the ISPs in hope of persuading them not to block access to the sites by Minnesota residents.

The DPS has issued this order on erroneous legal ground, said Joe Brennan Jr., iMEGA chairman. We hope that the ISPs will disregard the order, and that DPS will reconsider their actions and the far-reaching effects this kind of Internet censorship would have.

Interested readers can find the full content of the letter here:
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Casino City has analysed the Minnesota black list to see how relevant it is to residents of that state, and they've come up with some numbers that vindicate comments made in the industry that the "random" selection was poorly done.

"Only 44 of the 200 Web sites that Minnesota's Alcohol and Gambling Enforcement Division want to block from its residents actually accept players from the state, according to an audit of the list that was completed by Casino City.

"That means just 22 percent of the sites AGED wants to block affect Minnesota residents."

That's what happens when you allow enforcement zealots to run wild.:eek:
 
Update

MINNESOTA BAN CHALLENGED IN COURT

iMEGA in the forefront of the fight again

The Interactive Media and Entertainment & Gaming Association (iMEGA) has followed up on its condemnation of the attempt by Minnesota enforcement officials to ban 200 online gambling websites at ISP level by filing suit in the US District Court of Minneapolis (see documentation here
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And it has declared its intention to recoup legal fees necessarily expended in challenging the action of non-elected state officials, invoking USC 1983 and firing a warning shot across the bows of other state officials who may be considering questionable 'enforcement' techniques that impact fundamental constitutional rights.

The iMEGA action requests that the court halt the Minnesota Department of Public Safety's Alcohol and Gambling Enforcement division from enforcing an order its director John Willems issued to 11 Internet service providers (ISPs), to block state residents' access to 200 Web sites (see previous InfoPowa reports).

"We filed this to first, get MN DPS to rescind their order to the ISPs, and second, to put any other state on notice that a similar action will be contested in court," said Joe Brennan Jnr., iMEGA's chairman.

The iMEGA suit names John Willems as director of AGED, and claims that Minnesota lacks the authority to compel ISPs to block residents access sites, and that the actions of the state and its servants constitute a violation of free speech rights guaranteed by the First Amendment of the US Constitution.

"It's our hope that Minnesota will recognize their error and drop their blocking order," said Brennan. "Censoring Internet access for Minnesota residents would establish a troubling precedent of government intrusion into the online world, and we just can't allow that to happen."

iMEGA earlier communicated with the ISPs involved, advising them of their legal position and the fact that they were not compelled by law to comply with the AGED poorly researched demands to block specific websites. The advisory claimed that Minnesota had neither the authority nor the jurisdiction to order the ISPs to block Minnesota residents access to sites that were not located within the state.

According to iMEGA, the response from the ISPs has so far suggested that they are disinclined to accede to the AGED demand.

"In response to our letters (sent out) yesterday, they are not inclined to comply with the Minnesota order," commented Brennan.

In an interesting footnote to the iMEGA action, an independent study of the website blacklist which Willems wants ISPs to block was carried out by the Casino City gambling inormation website. Only 44 of the 200 Web sites that Minnesota's Alcohol and Gambling Enforcement Division seeks to censor actually accept players from the state. That means just 22 percent of the sites AGED wants to block affect Minnesota residents.

The study vindicated comments made earlier by the iMEGA chairman that questioned how much thought had been devoted by AGED staff into making the 'random' selection.
 
if they can shut them down that way then why can,t they do the same for internet porn? gezzz why don,t they all start treating us like 5 year olds and come into our homes to sit our computers on perntal contol so we can only go to the site our goverment wants us 2. someone is getting paid off by porn sites caz u never hear about all the sites that kids can log onto and the sites that have kids doing things a grown up would blush at. shows what is inportent to the goverment and i don,t say my goverment caz it is no longer for the people by the people.

thats what i was thinking. In my opinion Porn is 25 times more detrimental to society than online gambling ever could be.
 
<sigh> will it ever end?

All it takes is one politician to make a false statement (in this case that online gaming is illegal), and the media and nearly everyone else sucks up to it.
Bryan you write good songs and you don't even know it :) The fact is that we are so time consumed by regular jobs and burned out from stress that it really consumes the rest of the brain power we should have.

The general public usually has no time to dig up facts and politicians know it,they figure the small number of people that really see through their act will not outweigh the hyptonized percentage of the population :(

By the time we figure it out,the politicians already played out their roles and then they draw off our attention by making more bogus claims so we forget the old stuff.

Sadly the general population will never listen to people like me and you Bryan :( they are far too busy earning and spending money.

Does anyone even know why there is still a war being waged by the USA ???First the weapons of mass destruction and bin laden now what?

In my opinion its all about oil money and power...
 
Well, the Minnesota enforcement demand deadline has now passed and apparently not a single ISP has bothered to respond to it.

And iMEGA says it has had discussions with the state AG who is not going to push the issue.

It will be interesting to see where John Willems, the Minnesota director of enforcement who started this appallingly badly researched initiative, goes from here.
 
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Minnesota drops action to make ISPs block gambling sites

Looks like this battle is over.
The following is taken from egrmagazine.com:


Minnesota drops action to make ISPs block gambling sites


The US state of Minnesota has dropped action to force internet service providers (ISPs) including AT&T, Comcast and Verizon to block state residents access to a 'blacklist of 200 gambling websites.

As reported on EGRmagazine.com, the action by the Minnesota Department of Public Safety (DPS) faced opposition from bodies including Americas Interactive Media Entertainment and Gaming Association (iMEGA) lobby group, which wrote to the 11 ISPs last month telling them to ignore the order, as well asking the District Court in Minneapolis, Minnesotas biggest city, to prevent the DPS from enforcing the order (more).

Representative Pat Garafolo, who submitted the original bill seeking to block state residents access, issued the announcement, which he said occurred after the legal position was reconsidered.

Garafolo said in a statement: This is a great day for internet freedom. In the spirit of cooperation and in recognition of the rescission of these notices, I am more than happy to withdraw my bill and in its place sponsor a discussion aimed at establishing a framework for regulating and licensing the online gaming industry.

The bill was also opposed by Americas Poker Players Alliance (PPA). PPA Minnseota State Director Matthew Werden said: Minnesota poker players made our voices heard, the state listened and ended its ill-advised and improper attempt to circumvent the rights of Minnesota poker players.

In other US egaming regulation news, the state of Illinois is close to passing a bill to legalise online horse betting (more), while California is debating a bill to legalise intra-state poker (more).

At federal level, a bill to overturn the Unlawful Internet Gambling Enforcement Act was submitted by Representative Barney Frank last month (more).
 
It's a little confusing at present - the PPA is claiming as above, but iMEGA (which played a major role in attacking this badly thought through enforcement initiative) is saying it is still active.

Perhaps more clarity will emerge in the next few days, as Rep. Garafalo seems pretty confident that we've seen the back of this ridiculous attempt by officialdom to censor the Internet. And in his position, he probably knows better than anyone else.
 
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By BRIAN BAKST, Associated Press Writer - Mon Jun 8, 2009 2:05PM EDT

ST. PAUL, Minn. - Minnesota regulators may have been outplayed when they bet a decades-old federal law would lend itself to an online gambling crackdown.

Following a lawsuit by the gambling industry, which considers the push a violation of federal commerce and free-speech protections, state officials said Monday they'll withdraw a demand that Internet service providers block access to hundreds of sites.

In exchange for the state backing off, the Interactive Media Entertainment and Gaming Association filed court papers Monday ending its court fight.

The chairman of the online gambling trade group didn't ...
 

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