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New Kid On The Block Has Question?

Discussion in 'Introduce yourself! (New Members)' started by StaceyLee, Jun 21, 2010.

    Jun 21, 2010
  1. StaceyLee

    StaceyLee Dormant account

    Occupation:
    Full-time mum and student
    Location:
    Australia
    Hi, I'm new to all this and have just spent the last several weeks researching, researching and researching. I Get It. But have a question and a hypothetical that can't find definitive answers to so if anyone can help I would greatly appreciate your info.

    If a system is played e.g. Paroli, Martingale, etc everytime one logs into play will the casino ban user?

    Hypothetical: If a player was successful in combining a strategy with a system and consistently won and withdrew $400 per month for say 6-12 months without making a deposit other than initial deposit would casino withhold winnings and/or ban player? (Yeah I know, highly unlikely but I am curious. There must be a handful of players out there that make a comfortable profit and I am curious to know how they get away with it, or if they can get away with it.)

    I did email a casino stating I was new to this and asked if I was allowed to play using one of the systems that are touted on the net. They first advised that if it was software I would be deemed to be cheating and the system I was referring to was the Martingale. I asked for further clarification on whether the Martingale was okay and they advised it was not. So how do pro's play and stay?

    Thanks everyone and thanks Casinomeister, you were the greatest asset I found during my research.
     
  2. Jun 21, 2010
  3. mattsgame

    mattsgame Ueber Meister CAG webmeister

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    Web Master
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    Clown Town
    Systems


    I think no matter what system you use you will not always make a profit anyway :p

    Using a Bonus you are more than likely to be found out.. In most casino there is a term like this or a similar variation


    55. Abuse includes but not being limited to the following: Any irregular playing patterns e.g. playing at intentional minimum risk - equal, zero margin bets or hedge betting. Claiming a bonus and asking for cash out without a fair amount of play. Making high bets (on the sum of more than 30% of their bonus balance) from your account balance, where that balances is made up of bonus balance. Creating more than one account per person and using these accounts as fraudulent accounts in an attempt to claim our bonuses more than once. Placing high bets (while playing with bonus) in an attempt to generate high balance. Once achieved, changing betting patterns into small bets in order to fulfill wagering requirements and still keep high balance available for cash in (e.g. player places $25 bets and win $5k , then changes to $0.5 bets until wagering requirements achieved).

    Of course there are people who use systems and don't ever get spotted. But if it was me i would not risk it.

    I'm not to sure about terms if you do not use a bonus sorry. I am more of a slots player.

    I'am sure there will be some one on here that can answer your question a little better..

    BTW Welcome to the forums. I'm sure you will find a lot of use full information


    Good Luck

    Matt
     
  4. Jun 21, 2010
  5. StaceyLee

    StaceyLee Dormant account

    Occupation:
    Full-time mum and student
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    Australia
    Thanks Matt that gives a bit more insight. Much appreciate it and maybe I will get a further update from a roulette player. Cheers.
     
  6. Jun 21, 2010
  7. liquuid_fusion

    liquuid_fusion Meister Member PABnorogue PABnononaccred2 PABaccred

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    Student
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    UK
    StaceyLee, I take it you a talking about a system that involves betting patterns and no bonuses? (like Paroli, Martingale etc as you mention)

    Unfortunately there is no such working system.

    You must register/login in order to see the link.

    Any casino operator that says you can't play Martingale is crazy and doesn't understand maths.

    The only way people make money from online gambling is from bonuses, and it's much much harder than it was a few years ago.
     
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  8. Jun 21, 2010
  9. KasinoKing

    KasinoKing WebMeister & Slotaholic.. CAG MM PABnonaccred webmeister

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    Bexhill on sea, England
    Casinos can ban anyone they want to for any reason, but it's extremely rare.
    As long as you play at reputable casinos and don't break any T&Cs they will pay you all your funds (including winnings) in your account before banning.

    System are fun and interesting to try, but none of them work long-term.
    Casinos do know this!

    Like liquuid_fusion said, the only way to beat casinos long term (like I have :cool:) is to use bonuses, but only the best, most generous ones - there are loads out their which are total rubbish!

    Welcome to the forum - and good luck! :thumbsup:
    KK
     
  10. Jun 21, 2010
  11. StaceyLee

    StaceyLee Dormant account

    Occupation:
    Full-time mum and student
    Location:
    Australia
    Hi Liquuid Fusion,
    Thanks for info. Have just asked another casino three times via email if it is okay for me to play system betting and they avoid answering the actual question, for example, in one of the emails I said something like: I was worried that if I was lucky and happened to win by doubling my bets whether I would be penalised and not get paid. They avoided the question replying with "Our casino does pay out winnings to our players that have won from the casino. To shorten delays documents are needed to verify you as player. If you have any more queries please do not hesitate to contact us." How many times do I have to contact them with the same question!!! Of course I do realise that the front person isn't going to make a statement that could be legally binding, but...... all I want to know is are we allowed to have a go!
    Lose and sure the casino is happy .... but what if someone jags it and before they hit the wall they make a steady say $100/mth for 6 months .... is there a tracking or alert/alarm device detector that spots you after "X" wins, or something???? In other words if I won $X after X wins but the next win was going to ruin it for me and I would never see my winnings it would be good to know this in advance.

    Are there any safety issues, I guess, that one needs to be aware of?
     
  12. Jun 21, 2010
  13. StaceyLee

    StaceyLee Dormant account

    Occupation:
    Full-time mum and student
    Location:
    Australia
    Hi Kasino King
    Thanks for info. I was going to request not to receive bonuses as did not want to get caught in the T&C conditions. Am confused as to how you can actually benefit from them?

    P.S. Thanks to everyone who is helping with my queries I really appreciate your time, and beg your forgiveness for my ignorance. I did do a lot of research but do not have any "real experience".
     
  14. Jun 21, 2010
  15. KasinoKing

    KasinoKing WebMeister & Slotaholic.. CAG MM PABnonaccred webmeister

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    Stacey, sorry but you're being paranoid! :eek:
    There is absolutely no need for you to be asking the casinos these questions.
    People play in all sorts of different ways - the casino does not care!

    Play any way you like at any reputable casino and you WILL get paid - I guarantee it! :thumbsup:
    (As long as you don't break any T&Cs).


    {Edit} You posted while I was posting! ;)
    Have a look at my CasinoMeister blogs... :cool:

    KK
     
  16. Jun 21, 2010
  17. StaceyLee

    StaceyLee Dormant account

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    Full-time mum and student
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    Australia
    Hey Kasino King
    Thank you, thank you, thank you. Weeks of wondering/worrying has finally been appeased. Just visited your website and it is great, (like this one). Feeling warm and fuzzy now and ready to roll.
    Cheers.:p
     
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  18. Jun 21, 2010
  19. liquuid_fusion

    liquuid_fusion Meister Member PABnorogue PABnononaccred2 PABaccred

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    UK
    Please just be careful, the reason why you will be paid is that if you manage to win $100/month from casinos it is down entirely to luck and the odds are stacked against you. It's more likely you'll lose $100/month than win $100/month.

    Casinos should be seen as entertainment, they are not a way to make money.
     
  20. Jun 21, 2010
  21. rouletteguy

    rouletteguy Experienced Member

    Occupation:
    not for profit director addictions
    Location:
    Ontario
    I play roulette quite regularly so here goes

    1) no you'll get your winnings if you play martingale
    2) Stay away from the sign up bonuses you see. Right now is the time alot of casinos are giving out 200% NO RESTRICTION match bonuses which means you get money to play with and keep your winnings which you can withdraw at any time with no wagering requirement.mostly with exception to the bonus which is usually "sticky" meaning it can only be used for wagering not withdrawable ever. If you keep your eyes peeled you'll also find casino's that offer 100% insurance which means if you bust out they'll give you your deposit back to try again. I've never used this so am only guessing but i imagine the insurance would be like a standard bonus and subject to wagering requirements. At most casino's sign up bonuses you'll never make it playing roulette because the wagering requirement is ridiculous slot's is dollar for dollar so if you get 100 dollar bonus you have to bet 3000 dollars before withdrawing where as roulette is (if your lucky) 25% meaning a 100 dollar bonus you would have to bet 12000.00 before withdrawing. That's at a 30X playthrough requirement. So a little advice firstly use your exact same betting pattern on your practice account as you will on your real money account. I can make 2000 plus a day in play money no problem because I'll bet 100 bucks but in real money..... nope 100 bucks is too rich for me. And get a no restriction bonus of 200% 100 bucks gives you 300 to play with then every time you make 50 bucks withdraw it and forget about the reverse withdrawal button. Lastly, FORGET about the reverse withdrawal button!!! if you take out 50 and then lose your 300 you'll not recoup it with 50 bucks. 50 bucks is nothing in roulette at a minimum of a dollar bet playing progressive pattern betting. Oh and I guess if your determined find a casino with 25 cent minimum bets and a high table limit it's slow but at least you likely won't go totally bust when red comes up 12 times in a row. But...... I imagine you would hedge your bet after the fifth one if you have experience at roulette or eat the loss. Up to you completely but you really have to know that repitition is a part of randomness.
     
  22. Jun 22, 2010
  23. StaceyLee

    StaceyLee Dormant account

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    Full-time mum and student
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    Australia
    Cheers liquuid_fusion, thanks for your time and advice. I will only invest what I am willing to lose, have some fun and clock it all up to experience. Would much rather have fun here with random chance of getting a thrill from a win, than spend entertainment money in our crowded, sweaty casino dodging the dribbling drunks making fools of themselves. At least no-one can see me making a fool of myself at home with on-line casino. And then I can go and have a beer on my patio in peace;)
     
  24. Jun 22, 2010
  25. StaceyLee

    StaceyLee Dormant account

    Occupation:
    Full-time mum and student
    Location:
    Australia
    Hi rouletteguy
    Great input. Thanks. You helped me know that what I have been researching and deciding to do is not too silly. I will be avoiding bonuses and insurance. Will not be looking for less than $1 bets, (or higher for that fact). Thought I would invest $300. Play for approx half hour, "hopefully" win around $50, stop and withdraw. Then go in again next day and repeat. I have been playing practice mode for few weeks now to get a feel and build confidence and work strategy for applying to martingale system. I like the idea of changing during a run, (I think this may be what you call hedging bets). Some examples I have tried were looking at odds and evens and high and low - not always successful swaps but more often than not. When I get to a $32 bet I record that for a recovery and start again at $1. When run has finished I take my chances again with my $32. Seem to recover it better this way than having nerves of steel and continuing through the run.

    Thanks again and hope you having lotsa wins.
     
  26. Jun 22, 2010
  27. rouletteguy

    rouletteguy Experienced Member

    Occupation:
    not for profit director addictions
    Location:
    Ontario
    yeah your right about hedging

    50 bucks a day is definitely doable in roulette with a 300 dollar bankroll. your right to change rather than stick with progression on a certain play. If my regular play methods don't work I'll often bet each of the 50-50 bets in order or in a random sequence I pre-determine. Get's you out of the habit of using past results to place your bets and generally turns luck around. You'll hear from lot's of people past results don't affect the outcome of the next spin and sure that's true but.........If I see 12 red's in a row my money is going on black for a progression bet it'd be stupid not to. As you know as well. ANd if it's a really bad day I'll put it all in randomness and choose 4 bets in advance and play em. so odd- 1-18, 1-18, red and no matter what happens play the pre-determined sequence. Usually works out. and it's cool when you guess all 4 in a row correctly.
     
  28. Jun 23, 2010
  29. StaceyLee

    StaceyLee Dormant account

    Occupation:
    Full-time mum and student
    Location:
    Australia
    Yep! I found that too. Some days, for whatever reason, the system and strategies flow beautifully but other days the randomness works - and although scary, that's the fun part because of the challenge and thrill of having to try and make the right call - certainly breaks the monotony.

    I find it almost becomes clear after about five mins or so which day is going to be easy or tricky, almost like a language of its own sending a message to say "Hey today you have to play this way". I can't believe I just wrote that, now I'm really starting to sound kooky, but maybe there are other parts to the math and science that we just don't understand yet - wow that was even kookier - forgive me, but I have just commenced studying physics at university with an interest in quantam physics so have a particular interest in jiggling atoms and molecules and unknown neutrinos, etc, etc and how this relates to consciousness and environment.

    Thanks again for all your help and support, it has been very rewarding. I will be kicking off real time in a coupla weeks, having resolved myself to applying patience, consistency and no radical leaps. Hopefully will be able to report a success story - but if not - well, it will be fun trying.
    Good luck!
     

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