Comments Welcome Microgaming Nightmare

[thebigs]

I have been a big fan of MG slots since i started online but i have to say the last 3 months have been nothing but torture.
I know i play the higher variance ones but surely it has to go in your favour sometimes.
Has Microgaming adjusted things to boost profits or am i like plenty people on hear having some bad luck.
This morning lost 100 euro on The Finer Reels playing 60c bets and lost it within 15 minutes i'd say.
Deposited another 100 and had a bonus of a 100 at one of the new casino's that have both MG and Netent.
Netent at least gave me a run for my money but the good ole MG slots were as bad as they have been.
I had a few bad months now and just wondered how many others are feeling that pain.

 

[brianmon]

Same here playing TSII and IR, Dead base game and often 500-600 spins between features, which normally only pay 10-20x.
My RTP is always 50-60% lately. So I've given up playing for a while

 

[bruinsdude]

After 10+ years on MG slots only, I found Net Ent and it was life changing.

5K + hits on DOA and Wishmaster, and lots and lots of winnings and action at the likes of Guts, Betat, Casino Luck, to mention a couple.
The great thing is if you are feeling nostalgic, you can flip back to MG slots anytime because they have them too, but you can really go with your gut and try multiple game providers when you are in a funk.

If you haven't already I recommend trying those casinos, and namely the games Dead or Alive, Starburst, Gonzo's Quest etc.

Ok I re-read your post, you have already tried the combo casinos. Duh! Only thing I do when losing badly on MG's is go see Bust the Bank for a big win, when that game pays it pays huge, kills any dead run real quick!

 

[Jono777]

Was about to start a new thread with similar title to this but nice one saved me a job lol!!!

My query was microgaming based but aimed at the 9 - liners (main examples, Thunderstruck, Spring Break, AJB, Adventure Palace)

I have been playing these games for a good few years on at least a weekly basis so have a good knowledge of 'what to expect' win some / lose some / regularity of bonuses etc etc etc.

Now I'm not pointing the finger or suggesting anything else but It sticks out like a sore thumb that there is a big change with these games and after reading this thread It seems these games may not be the only ones.

As a gambler I totally understand winning, losing, hot streaks, cold streaks but something is going on, just lately even if I manage a bonus at all, its always terrible and this is not just after a couple of sessions, I have held off a good 20 deposits before posting this, as for AJB then I cannot even remember the last time I had 3 scatters on that one!!

I do see some good MG screenie so I know its not everyone but I feel I am defo not on my own on this one and something almost drastic lol has happened.

Always preferred MG to Netent but just lately its the latter which is offering my the better value and longer playtime for my small deposits as a low roller.

 

[cncas123]

So its not just me who has noticed that it is virtually impossible to get a decent bonus round on Thunderstruck any more,if you are lucky enough to get 3 scatters? It doesnt matter where I play it, its impossible to get a bonus of more that 2 or 3 times line bet.

 

[randomiam]

it happens

ive had a run at many casinos before microgaming download ones and multis and got nothing from them mid early last year i was winning coming out even or only a little down last 6 months one good imr win and everything else rubbish ive had the same run on alot of different providers thou
hit up wms and net ent games just drop a 20 here and 20 there and see if you can find something decent

 

[Azzurri]

So its not just me who has noticed that it is virtually impossible to get a decent bonus round on Thunderstruck any more,if you are lucky enough to get 3 scatters? It doesnt matter where I play it, its impossible to get a bonus of more that 2 or 3 times line bet.

This discussion has been going on for the past 12 months.

My advice, don't play them anymore. Try Play N Go. I've been getting some great wins on them lately, and when you get a feature, more often than not they pay very well. They also actually feel random, whereas mg makes you start going crazy and questioning randomness.

Basically, if you're no longer enjoying a slot, stop playing it.

 

[bjtaz44]

I was wondering the same thing about Microgaming....bonus rounds are becoming extinct and when you finally get them I win average $5 - $ 10 on a $ 1.50-$ 3.00 bet. This has been my case since Dec 23rd no luck at all!..Haven't really seen the pig on Bust the Bank even since 2014 lol... I am dumping a lot of money into those games when I could be actually having fun at my Casino Luck instead. I try everyday, and nothing! last night was bad again. I think I will be emailing 32red to close my account so I am not tempted to chase the loses there anymore since that's the only casino I play Microgaming at. Club Rouge Bonuses don't even soften the blow its that bad. I'm sorry to see that there are others having bad luck with Microgaming also, thought I was alone.

 

[spintee]

Real bad and like Azzu said there's been posts for a while,

Some one is messing with the-tick over screw for sure, Today I had 20 free spins on Riviera Riches & won £2 went to GOT and got a hit for near £20? had a few more and jumped to ladies night with about £17 I was doing 18p spin and whiten a few minutes it chomped the whole lot, Not even a free spin round and max win was around 27p

£191 spent yesterday (100 was a promo win) and over 80% that was on MG and max bet was 30p I did do a few 60p bets but only after winning a few more £ on WMS so basic MG had eaten all about the £190 and can count the free round games on one hand,

Ive always said in my profile I do not mind losing as long as I get a fair shout, Well its far from fair in my eyes, Its very hard to get a run now days, Its either gone like a strike of lighting or 1 out 10 times you may get a run, It feels like you are filling it up just so some person can hit big, Just like the fruit machines in pub's,

I did have that hit the other day nearly £300 of 25p bet but its only took ten years and that was also gambled it self quicker than lightening,

I am not complaining as hopefully a nice hit will come and as I am a small roller it will come in very handy.

I wish you all some luck

 

[Jono777]

Totally agree with all points in the post.

My issue is this I play to enjoy and do not expect to win, but I do expect maybe the odd decent value for my deposit, I'd be happy with say at least an average on 1 decent play in 5 deposits which I don't feel is asking a lot, Playing for enjoyment as I mention is my main reason as I love MG and more recently Netent games and also appreciate the variance these games carry.

Apologies for the post, didn't realise it had been an ongoing issue for so long but felt As I'd (finally) become a 'victim' of these 'possible' changes that I could keep quite no longer.

Also appreciate the suggestion of trying 'Play n Go' games but even with free spins I do not enjoy these games and sometimes feel they've been created by a novice and the 'graphics / symbols' coloured in by their children lol

I realise that the 'reels' and bonuses etc are only eye candy but If I'm gonna play to enjoy I'd rather have something decent to look at, just cannot understand the glaring drop in MG, its not even like a slight change its major!!!!

 

[davdav5678]

Yer same here

Its known for being shit at times as i read.I find either really good days or just down right shit to be honests the rusbish plays out run the good lol

Well glad its not just me :notworthy

 

[dunover]

I have been a big fan of MG slots since i started online but i have to say the last 3 months have been nothing but torture.
I know i play the higher variance ones but surely it has to go in your favour sometimes.
Has Microgaming adjusted things to boost profits or am i like plenty people on hear having some bad luck.
This morning lost 100 euro on The Finer Reels playing 60c bets and lost it within 15 minutes i'd say.
Deposited another 100 and had a bonus of a 100 at one of the new casino's that have both MG and Netent.
Netent at least gave me a run for my money but the good ole MG slots were as bad as they have been.
I had a few bad months now and just wondered how many others are feeling that pain.

Luckily, I left my last foil hat in Waxy O'Connors.

 

[mclee321]

I understand frustration at seeming impossible bad runs. But nothing has changed in regards to the slots RTP. Thunderstruck has the same payout it had the day it was released. It doesn't matter if you have a hunch, can feel the change, nor how ever many me-too's pipe up with similar stories everytime a thread like this comes along.

RANDOM IS RANDOM. GET IT? Or pseudo random if you like.

Honestly, this kind of pointless fantasy helps nobody.

I don't want to be objectionable, but you have to be prepared to lose every single time. Play elsewhere. Don't play at all. Quit and save the cash!

 

[paul7388]

Guess it all depends on where you play and what games you choose. To me all the old games I play are paying just like always.

TFROL as always had bad runs. Even when first out I good easily lose £100 of balance so quick playing 30p spins. Same as IR that game has always bled me dry since it came out. Reason I rarely play it.

New GOT 243lines I find is a good slot and pays well both in free spins and base game. As for older slots Kathmandu is still giving some good hits with free spins often enough. And last week another old favourite fat lady sings that I don't play that often now gave a £350 win in free spins from 50p stake which helped get a £400 withdrawal from a £20 deposit at guts. I think the problem is too many people keep playing the same high variance slots where you can easily lose hundreds quickly. Why not try other microgaming slots. Maybe you wont win but you might at least get a run for your money.

 

[thebigs]

I appreciate all your input the ones that agree and the ones that do not.
I only can go on my results and since the 1st December until today i have had 46 deposits totaling just under 3k.All MG.
My withdraws are a big fat zero.
Yes i am a gambler and yes i can take my losses also but all i am asking for is having a fair bit of time for my buck instead of losing it within 30 mins most of the time.

 

[sueyh]

It is the other way around with me. Lucky with MG games on December and January, and put part of my winnings into Netent.

 

[lotusch]

I have been a big fan of MG slots since i started online but i have to say the last 3 months have been nothing but torture.
I know i play the higher variance ones but surely it has to go in your favour sometimes.
Has Microgaming adjusted things to boost profits or am i like plenty people on hear having some bad luck.
This morning lost 100 euro on The Finer Reels playing 60c bets and lost it within 15 minutes i'd say.
Deposited another 100 and had a bonus of a 100 at one of the new casino's that have both MG and Netent.
Netent at least gave me a run for my money but the good ole MG slots were as bad as they have been.
I had a few bad months now and just wondered how many others are feeling that pain.

I hear ya mate...
I stepped away from MGS for a while as their slots are killing my bankroll...
I started off very well on MGS but the last 12 months are a complete disaster and no matter what slot I play,I get bonus and free spin wins that I thought were only possible on Netent like 1x-10x stake...I was used to get a lot of 100x-300x stake and sometimes a mega win of 1000-3000x stake...
They have completely vanished for me and I thought before MGS had tweaked the payout ratio's a bit.


Biggest and very visible change is the unlimited amount of dead spins and 500-1500 spins without a FS trigger.
It used to be on average 150-200 spins but the last few months before taking a break from MGS I got more insane peaks up to well over 1000 spins without a feature,then when triggered paying 10x stake.
Sticking to WMS and a bit of Netent lately.

 

[lotusch]

Luckily, I left my last foil hat in Waxy O'Connors.

Hey mate,I am all against tin foil hats but I was a big MGS player but I left the slots for what they are for a while.
They do play absolutely crap lately,not just on 1 or 2 sessions but seriously over the past few months they had me robbed blind.
Might be bad luck but it feel the slots are behaving tighter than tight.
So I just left them and moved to WMS,more action and although their reels are gimped,they often seem to drop well for me.

Last few releases of MGS did cost me a crapload of money with little or no returns.
2 years ago I had a big win on a MGS slot about every so many weeks,prolly I was shit lucky and got spoiled.

But now they are devastating bad,and no I am not wearing a tin foil had m8!

 

[Bower50]

I've had some small luck at MG lately but nothing like my brother.He had an $18,000 hit on Break Da Bank Again 3 weeks ago.

 

[mrmark21]

I'm SOOOO happy I stopped playing these tight MG slots months and months ago. I could say I told you so... But I wont, you already know so

 

[randomiam]

had a crack today

30 in 30 bonus and nothing over 15 times bet 2 features 50 cent bet shocking
has put me off again

 

[Balthazar]

30 in 30 bonus and nothing over 15 times bet 2 features 50 cent bet shocking
has put me off again

Which games are you playing?

 

[randomiam]

Which games are you playing?

had a shot at cricket star i knew it was a long shot had one free games where i got 1 win of like $1 and a second games when i got about $8
on a 50 cent bet it was shocking even compared to the other 2 clones but i think half the reason was the game choice

 

[mcgameboy]

I myself do not think there is a problem. And I say this having endured a period (of about six weeks between mid-November and late December) where I had net losses of £1,600. And that was depsite getting a couple of cashouts during that period. However, I would admit that during this bad run my "faith" in MG slots was being severely tested.

But did I seriously think that they were being "adjusted"? No. I would admit that when things are not going well on the slots, I do get
rather prone to "tinfoiler-level scepticism" moments. But that's just it....they are moments. Once the red mist fades and the brain then
takes over and tries to put the losing streaks into perspective, I come to the conclusion that these bad, sometimes brutal, runs happen because I choose to play high-variance slots. I mean...look at the slots I play on a regular basis...

Avalon 2, Dark Knight, Santa's Wild Ride, IR, Playboy, TFROL, BSG, Jurassic Park.

Pretty much everybody on this forum knows that all of the above is basically like a murderers row, where MG 243 ways slots are
concerned. Sure they can all be great on their day (and there have been times where I just killed them), but they are more
likely to be the killer, not us.

Since my bad run ended, I have enjoyed net profits of just under £2,000 in the last 6 weeks (helped by a nice payout from the Sure Win Cup that ended last Sunday). The only things I have really done differently during this good run is to do a better job of avoiding GWG1, GWG2 (that was one of my favourites, but I play this a hell of a lot less often now because I simply can't "handle" the variance on it - it now feels like TFROL on acid), GOT, Dark Knight Rises, Untamed series. I also tend to avoid Break Away and it's various "Sports Star" clones.

If people want to avoid being put in a position where they end up complaining of "feeling" that the slots have been adjusted, then you
always have the option of changing to slots like Castle Builder and Munchkins for a change of variance/pace.

Problem is, you'll soon find yourself complaining for a different reason. You still won't be winning and you'll also be getting bored to death in the process.

I do sympathise greatly with the OP, as I know what a sustained bad run feels like. But I cannot agree with his suggestion that payouts have been adjusted. It is simply bad luck on his part. I for one hope that his luck will take a significant turn for the better soon.

The FACT is, he frequently plays a particular slot that is high, possibly very high-variance. A game that I simply cannot play at anything more than minimum bet. Why do I say that? During my good run I tried playing TFROL at 60p (on quickspin) for the first time ever.

Net result - £71 gone in 5 minutes 43 seconds. Less than 150 spins played. RTP under 21%.

After that I told myself "NEVER AGAIN". And I have stuck to that promise. I have only played it at 30p since. The end results
were still shitty, but at least I got playtime along the way.

 

[psychogene]

I realize this topic comes up really often. I think its best you try other slot providers too (not just MG and NetEnt). MG has some great slots but the other providers do too.

You can go through lots of sessions with no cashout tho if you only play MG slots but every so often you will get a nice hit/run and the winning potential for some of their slots are my fav. Recently went from $10 deposit just playing jurassic park + bust the bank on 0.30p and withdrew about $120. If its not working for you tho try other providers like Betsoft, NextGen and Play'n'go they have some pretty fun slots too.

 

[curremon]

I have been a big fan of MG slots since i started online but i have to say the last 3 months have been nothing but torture.
I know i play the higher variance ones but surely it has to go in your favour sometimes.
Has Microgaming adjusted things to boost profits or am i like plenty people on hear having some bad luck.
This morning lost 100 euro on The Finer Reels playing 60c bets and lost it within 15 minutes i'd say.
Deposited another 100 and had a bonus of a 100 at one of the new casino's that have both MG and Netent.
Netent at least gave me a run for my money but the good ole MG slots were as bad as they have been.
I had a few bad months now and just wondered how many others are feeling that pain.

I couldnt agree more.. last 3 months total pain in the ass.. If i manage to get feature i win everytime 10x bet and thats it..

 

[spintee]

I couldnt agree more.. last 3 months total pain in the ass.. If i manage to get feature i win everytime 10x bet and thats it..

Your lucky to get x10 back, I have bloody loads of features and 96% of them have been less than 10x bet, In about 10 years gambling I have only ever had 0 back of free spins about twice, This week alone I have had 5 with no wins? That £1.20 win was of 60p bet so 0 back of wins

 

[Jono777]

Had plenty of those sort of screenies Spintee but usually too 'mad' at the time to screenshot em lol

 

[cncas123]

Maybe I have turned the corner, i decided to take the Zodiac Casino offer of 1 pound deposit and 20 pound bonus, played Thunderstruck at 0.27p and hit a bonus round for 165.00. Played the WR and now have 300.00 sitting on my balance, so will make a withdrawal and hopefully no issues.

 

[spintee]

Maybe I have turned the corner, i decided to take the Zodiac Casino offer of 1 pound deposit and 20 pound bonus, played Thunderstruck at 0.27p and hit a bonus round for 165.00. Played the WR and now have 300.00 sitting on my balance, so will make a withdrawal and hopefully no issues.

Please keep us updated

 

[spintee]

Had plenty of those sort of screenies Spintee but usually too 'mad' at the time to screenshot em lol

It not good my friend, its hard enough to get a bonus round in first, And that 60 play was a good hit for me as I am 30p play and when I got 0 I was less than impressed

 

[cncas123]

Please keep us updated

I think I am screwed, I had a few bets on roulette when the bonus will still active, and I have broken their 25% bet rule, so I dont think they will process the withdrawal. I checked the bonus terms and conditions, and there was no max bet in that section, but have just looked at general terms and conditions and they have the 25% rule buried in there. My own fault.

 

[spintee]

I think I am screwed, I had a few bets on roulette when the bonus will still active, and I have broken their 25% bet rule, so I dont think they will process the withdrawal. I checked the bonus terms and conditions, and there was no max bet in that section, but have just looked at general terms and conditions and they have the 25% rule buried in there. My own fault.

I have tried looking back threw thread and can not see what I said, I have had abit of drink, I have family over from Aus & Ireland and plenty down down from London as my grandad is not to well, I wil look back at thread

I wish you all well

 

[Jono777]

Nightmare on Microgaming Street part VII - The never ending nightmare - just under £100 minimum bets, 8 different games no win over x10 and no bonuses.

I know I will be told otherwise and to probably put up or shut up lol but I've been playing way to long to know there is defo something not quite right........

 

[spintee]

Nightmare on Microgaming Street part VII - The never ending nightmare - just under £100 minimum bets, 8 different games no win over x10 and no bonuses.

I know I will be told otherwise and to probably put up or shut up lol but I've been playing way to long to know there is defo something not quite right........

Its not been right for long time, belive me I do not care what any one has said about random or luck, I know that MG has a leverage switch,

I seen the thread other day about the new machine from net ent. & I heard the man say that there was 1.2 billion spins last year? Well I do not no what every one is playing as I must of had at least them many my self and 10x more on MG

 

[plasticnote]

Less money played in MG, so less money paid out, I think that will be the case.

My personal example, in 2012 - 2013, I spent $170 K across 5 MG casinos.

2014 -2015, I think I closed 3 MG casinos accounts and less played in another 2, total spend 22K.

I did not cut my budget, while I played much more in netent, WMS and novomatic...still no RTG, not because the software but because their casinos...

I think people should lower their expectations on MG, its slots still are very good but will not pay out big ones as much as it used to be.

regarding TS 1, I do not think anyone in this forum played more than I did since it came out, it still pays out quite big some time just not as frequently as it used to be.

PS: just mention, any slots comes out from the TS designers are the most worth playing, it is power of their mind and experience, so waiting for the next one from these guys. Hope they did not move on to other providers.

cheers

plasticnote

 

[Nicola]

My only thoughts on the situation are, that since the new UK Gambling rules came in late last year, a large number of MG Casinos are no longer playable in the UK marketplace. IIRC, UK was second (after Australia) in terms of players. This must have had a huge effect on their profits!

NetEnt have made significant growth in both UK and EU markets over the past 12 months and their new games are leaps and bounds ahead of MG. You also have to add WMS who are making moves into new markets.

Haven't played at a MG casino at all this year, and have no plans too.

 

[Jd666]

My only thoughts on the situation are, that since the new UK Gambling rules came in late last year, a large number of MG Casinos are no longer playable in the UK marketplace. IIRC, UK was second (after Australia) in terms of players. This must have had a huge effect on their profits!

NetEnt have made significant growth in both UK and EU markets over the past 12 months and their new games are leaps and bounds ahead of MG. You also have to add WMS who are making moves into new markets.

Haven't played at a MG casino at all this year, and have no plans too.

Thats why i cant undrstand them pulling out in the first place, unless some thought they wouldnt get a UK license.
Even if they have to pay 15% or whatever, then it should still make the casinos profit.
They still have 85%, obviously there is processing fees etc but 85% of something is better than 0% of nothing.

Any casino which have booted UK out and then decides to come back can get stuffed for me, i wont go back to them

 

[Jono777]

My only thoughts on the situation are, that since the new UK Gambling rules came in late last year, a large number of MG Casinos are no longer playable in the UK marketplace. IIRC, UK was second (after Australia) in terms of players. This must have had a huge effect on their profits!

NetEnt have made significant growth in both UK and EU markets over the past 12 months and their new games are leaps and bounds ahead of MG. You also have to add WMS who are making moves into new markets.

Haven't played at a MG casino at all this year, and have no plans too.

I had those thoughts regarding the UK market etc, seemed too much of a coincidence, glad someone agrees - cheers

 

[Jono777]

Thats why i cant undrstand them pulling out in the first place, unless some thought they wouldnt get a UK license.
Even if they have to pay 15% or whatever, then it should still make the casinos profit.
They still have 85%, obviously there is processing fees etc but 85% of something is better than 0% of nothing.

Any casino which have booted UK out and then decides to come back can get stuffed for me, i wont go back to them

Yep! - I took that stance too, deposited thousands over the years into VPL, Fortune Lounge, Belle Rock and was like they just said a big FU, I know this wasn't the case and there were lots of factors which influenced the casinos final decision(s) to 'pull out' but your point is spot on and I'd never go back, Its also real real sad that all these casinos migrated there customers to Roxy Palace, Spin, Betway etc and that these companies only seem interested in Hi-Rollers

 

[Deeplay]

I play MG less and less these days. In the past it was almost always MG. I dont think anything has changed. The RTP etc is set on the game launch and nothing every switches from that point on unless there is an error in the game. Payouts / returns are built in the maths model of each game so no need for any kind of manipulation. If I thought there was manipulation I would stop playing immediately. Usually now stick with Netent WMS and some small mg play. Saying that got hammered on GOT other night. 700 spins before I hit the bonus but that is just how this horror of a slot swings and is not down to anything being rigged. The bonus did pay around 160xs so some saving grace but still a horror of a session

 

[Azzurri]

RTP etc is set on the game launch and nothing every switches from that point on unless there is an error in the game.

I'm not necessarily doubting you, as I don't know the answer myself, but is what you said above 100% accurate?

The reason I ask is because of the Cosmic Fortune example, whereby it was launched and instantly started paying out with regular jackpots being won. Didn't they then remove the slot, adjust the rtp, and relaunch it, only for players to then complain about the obvious difference in payout rates?

I could be wrong, but this was just an example that stood out to me at time, because I remember being surprised that they did actually take it down because it was paying to much at a higher than expected rtp.

 

[Deeplay]

I'm not necessarily doubting you, as I don't know the answer myself, but is what you said above 100% accurate?

The reason I ask is because of the Cosmic Fortune example, whereby it was launched and instantly started paying out with regular jackpots being won. Didn't they then remove the slot, adjust the rtp, and relaunch it, only for players to then complain about the obvious difference in payout rates?

I could be wrong, but this was just an example that stood out to me at time, because I remember being surprised that they did actually take it down because it was paying to much at a higher than expected rtp.

Yes exactly as I said "unless there was an error in the game" which could have been the case with cosmic fortune. Then sure they will take a slot offline and adjust so it pays correctly. I personally just dont hold with the notion that games coming from reputable developers such as MG NetEnt ect need to do anything underhand as the RTP ect takes care of this. But hey that is just me. If I felt in doubt about the integrity of any game or software I would not invest anything into them. Personal choice of view points I suppose.

 

[brianmon]

and also, why do certain ;old' games keep getting updated in the viper clients?
Surely they can't still be finding errors with TSII. Yet it re-downloaded it's self twice within 3 days in my 32Red viper client last week.
Also there were all the issues last year, with achievements being cleared. One casino rep told me in a PM, when I questioned him about it, that the games were paying out too much

 

[spintee]

I take it that if pays out to much than they must adjust the payout than when the rtp is less than should be than they reverse it? This could well be that if a smaller casino gets the unfortunate time when paying out they could go under,

If this is the case than its out of order, It should not be up to the games providers to do this and let the RNG sort it,

 

[dunover]

and also, why do certain ;old' games keep getting updated in the viper clients?
Surely they can't still be finding errors with TSII. Yet it re-downloaded it's self twice within 3 days in my 32Red viper client last week.
Also there were all the issues last year, with achievements being cleared. One casino rep told me in a PM, when I questioned him about it, that the games were paying out too much

I've noticed this too. Not just TSII but almost every game I've opened, I think it's a general update as opposed to specific games.

 

[syntynyt]

and also, why do certain ;old' games keep getting updated in the viper clients?
Surely they can't still be finding errors with TSII. Yet it re-downloaded it's self twice within 3 days in my 32Red viper client last week.
Also there were all the issues last year, with achievements being cleared. One casino rep told me in a PM, when I questioned him about it, that the games were paying out too much

because Viper Component, whatever that is, is still not fixed. games are updated after each restart and tourneys are crashing but working after re-launch. someone must be fired and replaced after months of errors that never gets fixed.
if older games like BDBA had quickspin in Quickfire platform i would get rid of all MG casinos.

 

[Jono777]

This is only my humble opinion and not confirmed facts but experience and (shouldn't admit this) years of gambling in general suggest to me:-

*Sites can have varied RTP (observed over many, many deposits not just one or two) for example over 4-5 years £5K+ up on 32 red, over 3K down on Betway (same slots, same stakes)

* Possible similarity to AWP settings where payouts can be adjusted or even 'self adjust' over time.

Not accusing, not stating, just de-stressing lol but at the same time also state some possible truths

Gonna back my self up and contradict my self at same time here with another example, since my 5 - reel shitstorm on TSII I admit I still get the odd decent play/feature now and again, however since I hit 5 Rams DURING feature on TS, can't hit anything ever lol.

I think if we pinched the odd word from the thousands of comments on this topic we may one day get to the bottom of it

 

[243 lines=daft]

When playing the nine line TS1 clones I similarly am not seeing the kind of hits I'd been used to see playing these games for six years or so.

But of course even though these games are 'high medium variance' the variance is still high enough that you could 'see' patterns for a whole year, never see them again in your life and for that just to be a reasonable quirk of random.

The problem as always is that Microgaming have never put out documents that are absolutely transparent about how their slots work.
While that remains the case, I feel cynicism and conspiracy theory should not be ridiculed but should be seen as a healthy communal monitoring of what is really a black box process.

 

[bjtaz44]

Just wondering since this thread if anyone's experiencing anything better. I still since January have consitantly deposited and still have had the worst experience ever in over 6 years of playing. Guess it's time to just say enough is enough. Is it because the jackpots are so high now? Don't know, but burning through $100's in minutes so just curious how everyone else is making out.